Deron Williams is going to be MVP

[demons2005]

this year. This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over

[bigkingsfan]

MVP talk in the 1st week of the season, GREAT!

[RomoSexual]

Nope, the Jazz arent good enough for him to win MVP.

[LilJonIsSoCrunk]

dunno about that, but he will definately be an all-star this year.

[Phar]

Very good, young point guard. Kinda iffy on the MVP though.

We're only two games into the new season, wait a while. lol. =)

[TMac&Luther]

this year. This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over

LeBron James will win a MVP trophy before Deron Williams. (he probably should of won it last year......the award shouldn't be given out before the playoffs)

[skillswithaz]

dunno about that, but he will definately be an all-star this year.
don't know about that either.

guards will be

Allen Iverson (always voted in)
Kobe Bryant (always voted in
Steve Nash
Tracy McGrady
room for one more (i think it will be Chris Paul)

[demons2005]

don't know about that either.

guards will be

Allen Iverson (always voted in)
Kobe Bryant (always voted in
Steve Nash
Tracy McGrady
room for one more (i think it will be Chris Paul)
Wow keep hating.

Paul won't be an all-star he will probably be injured and he is still a loser in that he has never been able to lead a team to do anything substantial. Kind of pathetic how hype-zombies still think he's a better player.

[blazerfan22]

Yeah. I've heard good things about him this season. All-Star but no MVP.

The funny thing is, he doesn't even look like a basketball player. He looks like an average Joe that would be working at the office or something. Doesn't he?

[L.Kizzle]

LeBron James will win a MVP trophy before Deron Williams. (he probably should of won it last year......the award shouldn't be given out before the playoffs)
Why not, it's been like that since 1955, why change it because Dirk had to get his at a press conference instead of in front of his fans in a series.


Also, Deron Williams will not be MVP, crazy talk. Utah would have to win 60+ games and he's have to average 27/14/6 boards and 2 steals. He probably won't even be an All-Star this season as the West guards are stacked. He's lucky Ray Allen is in Boston.

[TMac&Luther]

Yeah. I've heard good things about him this season. All-Star but no MVP.

The funny thing is, he doesn't even look like a basketball player. He looks like an average Joe that would be working at the office or something. Doesn't he?

The dude is built like a runningback with handles......he's very strong.

[steve]

Wow keep hating.

Paul won't be an all-star he will probably be injured and he is still a loser in that he has never been able to lead a team to do anything substantial. Kind of pathetic how hype-zombies still think he's a better player.
What do you call what you're doing then? It's the first week of the season, he's played in two games (one of which they lost mind you), and yet you're declaring him an MVP candidate.

[TMac&Luther]

Why not, it's been like that since 1955, why change it because Dirk had to get his at a press conference instead of in front of his fans in a series.

I'm still kinda PO'ed about 95. :oldlol: Just think if your the MVP and you get handled in the first round, it should be automatic loss of MVP trophy, your right though, it's never going to happen.

[demons2005]

What do you call what you're doing then? It's the first week of the season, he's played in two games (one of which they lost mind you), and yet you're declaring him an MVP candidate.
3 games and I'm not saying all of them will be as good as this game statistically but he is dominating, imposing his will on the game, like only the special players can do. Honestly watch a Jazz game if you still doubt him. He is no flash all skill and determination.

[Kiddlovesnets]

It won't happen unless he average 20+ ppg and 12+ apg, which is even beyond the ability of Steve Nash.

[el_locoteee]

Wow keep hating.

Paul won't be an all-star he will probably be injured and he is still a loser in that he has never been able to lead a team to do anything substantial. Kind of pathetic how hype-zombies still think he's a better player.

He is probably a better point guard than Williams but Williams is playing in a perfect system that benefit point guards, like Nash is a good pg he is a great two times MVP playing in a offense that is suit for him. Williams and Boozer will not been putting the number they are getting right now in other systems. They are good players, but now they are great in a system that is proving to get results, (Stockton to Malone remember).

BTW the hornets are 3-0

[Mewwem22]

I believe deron will win the MVP someday soon... But it wont be this year. He has to become a household name first and make the all-star team. He definitely has the potential to be something special though. I'm glad the jazz picked him in the draft.

[TMac&Luther]

this year. This kid is the best PG in Utah, since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over

Fixed.......

[demons2005]

He is probably a better point guard than Williams but Williams is playing in a perfect system that benefit point guards, like Nash is a good pg he is a great two times MVP playing in a offense that is suit for him. Williams and Boozer will not been putting the number they are getting right now. They are good players, but now they are great in a system that is proving to get results, (Stockton to Malone remember).
Wow just wow name one PG that has had good success in Sloan's system besides Stockton, who is arguably the best pure pg or tied with Magic. Sloan doesn't make them great it just takes great PG's to run sloan's system.

Paul gets to do whatever he wants which is why he gets good stats but tell me when his team makes the playoffs lol

[steve]

3 games and I'm not saying all of them will be as good as this game statistically but he is dominating, imposing his will on the game, like only the special players can do. Honestly watch a Jazz game if you still doubt him. He is no flash all skill and determination.
I grant you that if he played the Warriors for 82 games, he would be an MVP candidate.

[blazerfan22]

The dude is built like a runningback with handles......he's very strong. That's probably it. I guess he does look like a football player type.

[YAWN]

yea ok...and luke walton will make all nba 1st team.

[demons2005]

I grant you that if he played the Warriors for 82 games, he would be an MVP candidate.
whatever man time will prove me right so I don't need to argue this.

Oh but by the way look at Baron Davis (a top 5 pg) shooting tonight. Deron gets it done on both sides of the court

[ThaWarrior]

lol ur crazy maybe in 5 years and he playing against the warriors

[steve]

Right now, I'd put Dunleavy and Kaman over him.

[Jimmy2k8]

If that is the case, then Stockton should have won an mvp every year that he had Malone and Sloan..

[Phar]

That's probably it. I guess he does look like a football player type.

He used to be a wrestler way back when.

[TMac&Luther]

I grant you that if he played the Warriors for 82 games, he would be an MVP candidate.

That's the truth. When we played against them our commentators were talking about it. Jerry Sloan teams are very physical, if you are a finesse team they will beat you up.

I.E.......GS this year, GS last year, GS in the playoffs.

also

they played the Suns great last year.

With Utah, you have to match that intensity and punch them in the mouth. The Rockets were just trying to run in the first quarter when Utah had a 10 point lead, but then they inserted Scola, started playing defense and controlled the entire game.

[TMac&Luther]

whatever man time will prove me right so I don't need to argue this.

Oh but by the way look at Baron Davis (a top 5 pg) shooting tonight. Deron gets it done on both sides of the court

Nobody is saying your hero isn't a good PG :oldlol: he's just not "MVP" caliber yet.

[Duck Rodgers]

If Steve Nash can be considered MVP quality, so can Deron. Somebody want to put out the huge differences between the two that make Deron a lesser player? Is it because Deron plays better defense? Because he can shoot it just as well? Because Deron has better drive moves? Is it because Deron can see the floor equally as well?

[TMac&Luther]

If Steve Nash can be considered MVP quality, so can Deron. Somebody want to put out the huge differences between the two that make Deron a lesser player?

Yeah, it's easy......Nash put up some of the best seasons by a PG.......lead his team to the best record in the NBA.....and more importantly WAS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SEASON.........not just the first 3 games.

Start this thread around late February.

[demons2005]

If Steve Nash can be considered MVP quality, so can Deron. Somebody want to put out the huge differences between the two that make Deron a lesser player? Is it because Deron plays better defense? Because he can shoot it just as well? Because Deron has better drive moves? Is it because Deron can see the floor equally as well?+1 you really hit the nail on the head. There is no difference except a bias to players who are constantly hyped.

[TMac&Luther]

+1 you really hit the nail on the head. There is no difference except a bias to players who are constantly hyped.

Not really...look above. I mean if McGrady didn't have a offnight (if you want to call droping 20 a offnight) I could start a MVP thread about him.....but do you see me doing it?

People in Utah are so starved for attention.

[geeWiz15]

It never ceases to surprise me everytime Deron improves. it's like he doesn't recognize limits to how good he can be. when he first game in the league I never thought he would be any better than 15/8 almost-all star quality. now he's looking to be the best PG in the league, by far, once Nash and Kidd are done.

[TMac&Luther]

It never ceases to surprise me everytime Deron improves. it's like he doesn't recognize limits to how good he can be. when he first game in the league I never thought he would be any better than 15/8 almost-all star quality. now he's looking to be the best PG in the league, by far, once Nash and Kidd are done.

Sloan knows how to work the PG and PF.........it's almost like Stockton/Malone never retired.

Williams/Boozer doesn't have the same ring to it though.

[blazerfan22]

Sloan knows how to work the PG and PF.........it's almost like Stockton/Malone never retired.

Williams/Boozer doesn't have the same ring to it though.

Except, 'Cheap Shot Malone' threw elbows. :)

[Mewwem22]

Sloan knows how to work the PG and PF.........it's almost like Stockton/Malone never retired.

Williams/Boozer doesn't have the same ring to it though.

You make it seem like it doesn't require any talent at all... The main play that they run is the pick-and-roll, the oldest play in the book. Sloan's system isn't the only reason why boozer and williams play well. They have the talent to succeed running it.

[blazerfan22]

You make it seem like it doesn't require any talent at all... The main play that they run is the pick-and-roll, the oldest play in the book. Sloan's system isn't the only reason why boozer and williams play well. They have the talent to succeed running it.

No. I was just playing with you. Sloan is a very good coach.

When you said Malone, it just reminded me of his elbowing rumors that use to go around. I was being sarcastic. :cheers:

[Kblaze8855]

Paul gets to do whatever he wants which is why he gets good stats but tell me when his team makes the playoffs lol

They improved by 20 wins his rookie season and last year missed the playoffs by two games with their 4 best players missing a combined 120+ games. Paul getting them to 39 wins in the west that injured is nothing short of amazing. Lets not pretend that Deron playing with 2 healthy all stars and AK47(declined but still a good player) didnt factor into the Jazz success.

Long career ahead of both of them. Neither has pulled away in the least.

[Chalkmaze]

Deron should be in the talks eventually (and lots of other players), but it's too early to start talking about MVP's...

[steve]

Paul gets to do whatever he wants which is why he gets good stats but tell me when his team makes the playoffs lol
Yes, I'm sure Byron Scott instructs Paul to just go out there and "do stuff".

[RoseCity07]

I'm kind of tired of PG's in MVP discussions. When has an PG won a championship for anyone? Wade, Kobe, and Jordan are SG's, and Duncan and Shaq play PF and Center.

Why should a PG be considered more valuable than KG or Duncan who are probably going to be the reasons their teams make it to the finals.

[TMac&Luther]

You make it seem like it doesn't require any talent at all... The main play that they run is the pick-and-roll, the oldest play in the book. Sloan's system isn't the only reason why boozer and williams play well. They have the talent to succeed running it.

I never said it never took any talent, trust me...Williams made a pass thursday night that made my jaw drop.

It's just that Sloan can take these talented players and make them even better once he puts them in his system........I mean it's pretty obvious Sloan saw something in Williams that nobody else saw when he was rediculed for drafting him so high.

Sloan is great at identifying the talent he needs to run his system.......the team he's building in Utah is a damn carbon copy of the Utah teams he had in the mid nineties.

[TMac&Luther]

I'm kind of tired of PG's in MVP discussions. When has an PG won a championship for anyone? Wade, Kobe, and Jordan are SG's, and Duncan and Shaq play PF and Center.

Why should a PG be considered more valuable than KG or Duncan who are probably going to be the reasons their teams make it to the finals.

Isiah???

AI, definitely deserved his MVP trophy, he almost won his team a champ.

[blazerfan22]

Isiah???

AI, definetely deserved his MVP trophy, he almost won his team a champ.

Don't forget Magic Johnson. :bowdown:

[billybadass]

april fools

[L.Kizzle]

april fools
pound hogs day >> April fools

[Chalkmaze]

..I mean it's pretty obvious Sloan saw something in Williams that nobody else saw when he was rediculed for drafting him so high.


Hmmm... I wanted Deron all along and was quite happy they got him... Well before the NCAA season was even over, Deron was giving praise to Stockton and Kidd, and saying all the right things, I loved the guy after that, I had no idea at that time if the Jazz would have a shot at going for him, and when they got him, I was thrilled. What sloan saw, was that even if Paul was arguably the more talented guy, he wasn't 6'4". After watching John Stockton all those years, it was only his size that ever held him back at all. Payton didn't have to be as good, he had the size advantage, he made for match up problems on both ends of the court, and bigger guys like deron don't get hurt as easy.

[JPR]

ILLINOIS is in the house, ILLINOIS is in the house.

Illinois won tonight 44-17, they put up over 500 yards RUSHING!

illinois has two mendenhall's, that's how good they are. everyone knows heisman canidate Rashard who rushed for over 200 yards on less than 20 carries but his bro Walter tore it tonight averaging over 12 yards per carry.

Deron and Luther ain't so bad, huh?

[blazerfan22]

ILLINOIS is in the house, ILLINOIS is in the house.

Illinois won tonight 44-17, they put up over 500 yards RUSHING!

illinois has two mendenhall's, that's how good they are. everyone knows heisman canidate Rashard who rushed for over 200 yards on less than 20 carries but his bro Walter tore it tonight averaging over 12 yards per carry.

Deron and Luther ain't so bad, huh?

Same with Oregon. What a great defeat that was! :cheers:

It's time to celebrate!! Buurrrrp! :party:

[JPR]

i knew oregon was going to whoop ASU. how overrated are teams like ASU and KU? both kansas and arizona state have played NOBODY! there's like 6 or 7 teams in the SEC who could knock off KU in their house.

[SomeBunghole]

Some predictions:

D-Will will average 20 and 10 this year.

D-Will will make the All-Star team.

D-Will will be third team NBA.

D-Will will lead the Jazz in scoring.

[TMac&Luther]

Same with Oregon. What a great defeat that was! :cheers:

It's time to celebrate!! Buurrrrp! :party:

I only caught the end of the game......what happened to Dixon and why wasn't he playing towards the end of the game?

[JPR]

i can't believe there are jokers who still think paul is better than deron. deron owned paul in college when wake came to Assembly Hall and he does it in the league too.

[blazerfan22]

I only caught the end of the game......what happened to Dixon and why wasn't he playing towards the end of the game?

Honestly, I don't know. I was connected to this forum at the time and going back and fourth to the Blazer/Rockets game. Too much going on at the time. Hopefully he wasn't injured. I doubt it. I didn't see any bad reports while watching it.

[TMac&Luther]

Honestly, I don't know. I was connected to this forum at the time and going back and fourth to the Blazer/Rockets game. Too much going on at the time. Hopefully he wasn't injured. I doubt it. I didn't see any bad reports while watching it.

I watched most of the first quarter and Dixon was killing them with his legs and throwing darts, then I clicked over and watched the Rockets game and saw in the fourth he was standing on the sidelines........just gave me a :wtf: moment.

[blazerfan22]

I watched most of the first quarter and Dixon was killing them with his legs and throwing darts, then I clicked over and watched the Rockets game and saw in the fourth he was standing on the sidelines........just gave me a :wtf: moment.

Same here. I'll have to search and check to see if he was OK to be on the safe side.

[jazz12]

this year. This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over


He did work with Stock last summer I think.

[blazerfan22]

I watched most of the first quarter and Dixon was killing them with his legs and throwing darts, then I clicked over and watched the Rockets game and saw in the fourth he was standing on the sidelines........just gave me a :wtf: moment.

Just watched the local news. Sounds like Dixon is fine. He tweaked his knee but they say it's nothing serious and he's fine. They just took him out to check. He's playing in the next game with no problems.

[NugzFan]

why do people insist on being so stupid and overreacting based on a few games early in november? deron is a great player but threads like this just get people to laugh and not give him the respect he deserves. takes away from what hes done and focuses on what he wont do (win mvp).

stupid thread OP.

[NugzFan]

Wow keep hating.

Paul won't be an all-star he will probably be injured and he is still a loser in that he has never been able to lead a team to do anything substantial. Kind of pathetic how hype-zombies still think he's a better player.

talk about hype zombies - look what your doing with deron. you are redefining the word homer.

[Admiral]

it's been said, but i'll reiterate....deron is a great pg and valuable to his team, but 3 games into the season is WAY to early to start talking MVP...i know the start of basketball season is sexy and exciting, but give it some time before this kind of thing...

[JPR]

What I like best about players outta the U of I is how efficient they are! deron williams and luther head are amongst the most efficient players in the league. deron is 13-17 tonight and luther's numbers always look good on the stat sheet comparitive to how many minutes he plays.

[Showtime]

this year. This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over
Ok, I really don't get where you are comming from. First of all, Deron last season had a break out year, but don't kid yourself with the thought that he alone "turned around the Jazz" because it just isn't true. Boozer had a monster season, and the role players stepped up and they also are coached by Sloan.

Paul, however, had far less talent to work with last year, and the team suffered injuries that kept them out of the playoffs. Paul also had surgery and has a screw in his ankle.

With all of that being said, Paul has a supporting cast this season that is closer to the talent level of the Jazz, and if the team can stay healthy, then this season will be a good measuring stick as to who is the better PG. The only thing Deron has on Paul is outside shooting. Paul has trememdous court awareness, can break down the defense and create better than Deron IMO, and is just as good of a defender.

Why can't you just give Deron props without putting Paul down? If Deron was that good, you wouldn't need to say how bad Paul is in comparison. I don't think they should be compared, because they have differing play styles, but the fact that they are both young elite PG's, and were from the same draft class, they will be compared for their entire careers.

[TMac&Luther]

What I like best about players outta the U of I is how efficient they are! deron williams and luther head are amongst the most efficient players in the league. deron is 13-17 tonight and luther's numbers always look good on the state sheet comparitive to how many minutes he plays.

I feel sorry for Luther Head on this team. During the offseason he put in work to get stronger and has shown he can finish around the basket. The problem is I don't think he's ever going to get a full shot to see what he has on this team.

The Rockets need to cut a trade involving Francis.....he's a giant elephant sitting in the middle of the room that nobody wants to talk about. Luther Head is a good player though........just needs to be developed.

[gsw21]

Deron is great, that's true. But he's nowhere near MVP calibur players like LeBron and Nash. Hopefully someday in the future though.

[JPR]

Paul has the speed and slashing ability over deron but williams is so smooth and his basketball IQ is off the charts. this is why i can see deron williams being a great NBA point guard 10-12 years from now when in that same time frame i can see paul's game falling off. only time will tell.

[raid09]

Deron and Paul are pretty even. Deron has MUCH more to work with. A consistent 20/10 Boozer, Okur, and a revamped Kirilenko, with a pretty good bench vs. injury prone Chandler, West and a washed up Stojakavic?

[gsw21]

I haven't seen Paul play much, but i do know he is injury prone. And Deron's scoring ability and good team play make him pretty dominant.

[JPR]

to this day the best basketball game I have ever seen was when Chris Paul and #1 Wake Forest came into Assembly Hall and got waxed by Deron Williams and the #5 Fighting Illini 91-73. ahhhh....sweet memories.

[L.Kizzle]

MVP Deron Williams down by 13 to the Lakers.

[Doomsday Dallas]

this year. This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over

He's from Texas... I agree.

[johndeeregreen]

This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable.
If you could do me a favor, slip on a pair of brass knuckles, and punch that kid you see in the mirror, that'd be awesome.

[RidonKs]

If you could do me a favor, slip on a pair of brass knuckles, and punch that kid you see in the mirror, that'd be awesome.
The ensuing bad luck would result in him getting run over by a train the following morning.

[IlliniFan]

Deron is great, that's true. But he's nowhere near MVP calibur players like LeBron and Nash. Hopefully someday in the future though.
I don't know about that. He's not there yet, but he's close.

[Heretik32]

LeBron James will win a MVP trophy before Deron Williams. (he probably should of won it last year......the award shouldn't be given out before the playoffs)
I agree that per definition, the MVP should be the player that achieved most with the least help. Should be Lebron.

[bigkingsfan]

Playing GS twice certainly inflated his numbers, calm down people.

[Hoopz2332]

this year. This kid is the best PG since Stockton he is unbelievable. Sick jump shot, amazing court vision, and complete lockdown defense, what more can you ask from a point guard, oh yeah WINNING. I can't believe people are still comparing him to chris paul lol He turned around the Jazz last year and he is continuing to do so. Tonight's game is just the tip of the iceberg.

30 points on 13-17, 9 assists, 4 steals and its not over


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[Young X]

Wow keep hating.

Paul won't be an all-star he will probably be injured and he is still a loser in that he has never been able to lead a team to do anything substantial. Kind of pathetic how hype-zombies still think he's a better player.Months later that season...

*CP3 becomes all-star and top 2 MVP candidate, while Williams misses ASG and is 12th in MVP voting*

No wonder why he hates CP so much. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

MVP going to either: Durant, or CP3. Most likely Durant. Westbrick won't be back until December, and Durant seems pissed at OKC organization for letting go of Harden. He's got that edge to him that Kobe had in 2006. I expect massive scoring numbers. I predict a lot of 40, 50, maybe even 60 point game watches for him this season. CP3 could get it depending on Clippers record. The West is wide open, though.

[Dro]

MVP going to either: Durant, or CP3. Most likely Durant. Westbrick won't be back until December, and Durant seems pissed at OKC organization for letting go of Harden. He's got that edge to him that Kobe had in 2006. I expect massive scoring numbers. I predict a lot of 40, 50, maybe even 60 point game watches for him this season. CP3 could get it depending on Clippers record. The West is wide open, though.
You do realize this thread is 6 years old?