View Full Version : Kobe = 20,000 Points!
konex
12-23-2007, 02:31 PM
Let's get the triple-double too :cheers:
XxNeXuSxX
12-23-2007, 02:31 PM
:party2: :party2: :party2: :party2: :party2: :party2: :party2: :party2: :party2:
He won't get it because he will be benched soon enough.
I'm not a hater but it's true!
FashionIssues
12-23-2007, 02:42 PM
:cheers: :rockon:
Ok nvm Kobe is still not benched and might not be until the triple double just to entertain the Knicks fans. 1 more rebound and 3 more assists to go!:banana:
Lebron23
12-23-2007, 03:06 PM
:party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party:
The Big Three
12-23-2007, 03:17 PM
Congrats, Kobe. :cheers: :banana: :party:
Does anyone think he'll make the 30,000 club, and if so, when?
Cannonball
12-23-2007, 03:17 PM
:cheers: :rockon:
you better get that Christmas hat back on!
Spudjjay
12-23-2007, 03:36 PM
Don't you mean 20,000pts
ChrisConley
12-23-2007, 03:41 PM
oops. konex jinxes triple double when kobe had plenty of time to get it. hopefully he jinxed the 20,000 pts too. next game kobe will come out and get -22.
Sharas
12-23-2007, 03:44 PM
look for kobe to have a career-threatening injury soon:ohwell:
DoubleTech
12-23-2007, 03:48 PM
who cares? bron is gonna smash this record by the time he's 27 anyways...
Poseidon
12-23-2007, 03:51 PM
who cares? bron is gonna smash this record by the time he's 27 anyways...
Thanks for your irrelevant opinion. You obviously care to post in this thread.
DoubleTech
12-23-2007, 04:09 PM
Thanks for your irrelevant opinion. You obviously care to post in this thread.
you're just upset because you KNOW its going to happen.
ChrisConley
12-23-2007, 04:10 PM
who cares? bron is gonna smash this record by the time he's 27 anyways...
definitelt true. still kobe is now one of what 3 players with 20K that did it under 30: MJ, Wilt
kobe just made it tho by a 243 days. bron will make it by years.
Poseidon
12-23-2007, 04:18 PM
you're just upset because you KNOW its going to happen.
I'm more convinced that LeBron is going to suffer a major injury BEFORE he reaches the 20K point mark. :pimp:
Allstar24
12-23-2007, 04:22 PM
Who cares if LeBron gets 20,000 or 30,000 points? This topic is not about him, you insecure LeBron groupies.
billybadass
12-23-2007, 04:43 PM
who cares? bron is gonna smash this record by the time he's 27 anyways...
replace smash with obliterate
HaNdLe ThE RoCk
12-23-2007, 06:26 PM
Bron is going to beat that record but congrats to Kobe.
dnyk1337
12-23-2007, 06:30 PM
Nice one konex. Kobe misses the triple double by 2 assists. Konex curse is all around us. :banana:
sumakwel
12-23-2007, 07:15 PM
I don't think Lebron can reach 81 points.
NewYorkUSCtrojan
12-23-2007, 07:19 PM
BOW DOWN TO GREATNESS!
http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/kobe2.jpg
NewYorkUSCtrojan
12-23-2007, 07:21 PM
http://www.nysun.com/pics/64680_main_large.jpg
Legend
12-23-2007, 07:55 PM
Congrates Kobe:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :bowdown: :bowdown: :party: but LeBron will pass it anyway!!!!
cookiemonster
12-23-2007, 08:09 PM
I don't think Lebron can reach 81 points.
I agree, Lebron is not enough of a selfish ballhog.
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-23-2007, 08:18 PM
I agree, Lebron is not enough of a selfish ballhog.
recent history says otherwise. Cavs entire offense involves handing the ball to Lebron and getting out of his way.
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-23-2007, 08:20 PM
Big props to Kobe.
He has been wonderful for the game and, importantly, a dynamic force is a sea of NBA mediocrity.
DoubleTech
12-23-2007, 08:26 PM
I'm more convinced that LeBron is going to suffer a major injury BEFORE he reaches the 20K point mark. :pimp:
you're not convinced... you're hoping. and a serious injury is the only thing that can hold bron back from stomping this record.
jrong
12-23-2007, 08:33 PM
who cares? bron is gonna smash this record by the time he's 27 anyways...
LeBron has topped 30 ppg once in his career, so what would lead you to think he's going to beat this record? LeBron's "head start" no longer factors in-- keep in mind how much guys like Jordan and Kobe were scoring once they reached their primes.
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-23-2007, 08:36 PM
somebody do the math.
how many ppg does Lebron have to average in order to break Kobe's youth record? I would make the assumptions of an average of 78 games per year and an average of 8 post season games per year... or something like that.
Big props to Kobe.
He has been wonderful for the game and, importantly, a dynamic force is a sea of NBA mediocrity.
a sea of nba mediocrity? so thats why he can't get out of the first round? :roll:
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-23-2007, 08:48 PM
a sea of nba mediocrity? so thats why he can't get out of the first round? :roll:
yup, a sea of mediocrity. you want proof?
here ya go: both Mark Madsen and Casey Jacobson are on NBA rosters.
somebody do the math.
how many ppg does Lebron have to average in order to break Kobe's youth record? I would make the assumptions of an average of 78 games per year and an average of 8 post season games per year... or something like that.
he'll have 10k after this season. so hes got 6 or 7 seasons to get 10,000 more points.
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-23-2007, 08:52 PM
he'll have 10k after this season. so hes got 6 or 7 seasons to get 10,000 more points.
how old will he be at that point?
jrong
12-23-2007, 10:01 PM
I don't think playoff points count toward these totals. I'm pretty sure they are kept in a separate category.
how old will he be at that point?
hes 22 right now i think. will be 23 by the end of the season at over 10,000 points i would assume. so thatll give him somewhere around 6-7 seasons to get to 20,000 before kobe did.
Killer_Instinct
12-23-2007, 10:12 PM
you're not convinced... you're hoping. and a serious injury is the only thing that can hold bron back from stomping this record.
Wow....and they call Kobe fans insecure :roll:
Erathia
12-23-2007, 10:31 PM
somebody do the math.
how many ppg does Lebron have to average in order to break Kobe's youth record? I would make the assumptions of an average of 78 games per year and an average of 8 post season games per year... or something like that.
Lebron would have to average atleast 28.0 PPG for the next 5 seasons, playing atleast 86 games a year. He's only averaged 28 PPG in the regular season twice (05-06 and 07-08) and once in the playoffs (05-06). Lebron has been quiet lucky so far with injuries, I highly doubt he will be able to miss less that 4 games a year for much longer.
As for Kobe, thats my boy. If he had came into the league like Lebron he would have done it two years ago. Kobe just has too many tools to score with.
crisoner
12-23-2007, 10:39 PM
Congats Kobe!!! Now get that 4th ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dnyk1337
12-23-2007, 11:24 PM
Let's say he hovers around 70-80 games played each season. With an average of around 26-27 ppg, he'd probably achieve another 10,000 points in 5 seasons. That'd be 5 years from now, so the year would be 2013 and he would be 28 years old.
shawbryant
12-24-2007, 12:08 AM
Congrats.So proud of him.
Let's say he hovers around 70-80 games played each season. With an average of around 26-27 ppg, he'd probably achieve another 10,000 points in 5 seasons. That'd be 5 years from now, so the year would be 2013 and he would be 28 years old.
world is ending in december of 2011 though...
brons gonna have to speed it up.
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 01:10 AM
Wow....and they call Kobe fans insecure :roll:
Most of the people saying LeBron will do it faster aren't LeBron fans. Kobe fans are just idiots. What's the point of this stupid topic anyway? Post it in your own damn forums. Nobody cares.
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 01:12 AM
Kobe fans are so annoying.
Jimmy2k8
12-24-2007, 01:13 AM
Most of the people saying LeBron will do it faster aren't LeBron fans. Kobe fans are just idiots. What's the point of this stupid topic anyway? Post it in your own damn forums. Nobody cares.
Any Lebron fan would say that Lebron would make it past Kobe's record...
Jimmy2k8
12-24-2007, 01:17 AM
If you think we "Kobe fans are annoying" then why not you just mind your own business and post it in another thread? If you don't like the thread, don't post in it. that simple.
*Waits for smart ass reply*
Jimmy2k8
12-24-2007, 01:18 AM
Knowing Kobe's age, he won't make it to 30,000.
The Big Three
12-24-2007, 01:21 AM
Knowing Kobe's age, he won't make it to 30,000.
I agree. It'd take him about 5 more years of 2,000 point scoring, or maybe 7 or 8 with a bit less than that. I think it's possible, but not likely. Of course, M.J. had supreme talent and could still ball when he came back to play with the Wizards. Kobe may not be that good, but I believe he could contribute longer than the average player. We'll have to wait and see.
I agree. It'd take him about 5 more years of 2,000 point scoring, or maybe 7 or 8 with a bit less than that. I think it's possible, but not likely. Of course, M.J. had supreme talent and could still ball when he came back to play with the Wizards. Kobe may not be that good, but I believe he could contribute longer than the average player. We'll have to wait and see.
by the end of this season he should be around 21500-22000. i can see 2 or 3 more seasons of 2000-2500. so at age 31 he should be around 24000.
i guess it will depend how long he plays and how effective he still is. But i see him playing til at least 35. that would be 5 seasons to score 6000 points.
Not saying he will definitely get there, but i wouldnt be surprised if he did.
amfirst
12-24-2007, 02:08 AM
A ballhog is not a negative thing if u win the game, unlike Wilt's 100 points game.
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 02:30 AM
Any Lebron fan would say that Lebron would make it past Kobe's record...
Any logical NBA fan would.
FashionIssues
12-24-2007, 02:46 AM
it's hard to fathom that people have tabbed kobe's prime years to have so and so years remaining and that he is this aged superstar that is on a decline. the guy is 30 years old! 30 years old and still unanimously considered by his peers and basketball gurus alike to be the best in the sport by leaps and bounds.
i would even go as far as eliminating his 3 rings and pit him as this unaccomplished player against any heir apparent in the league. anyone. no comparison at all. skill set. no one. i would give him 3 extra years on his legs and he would still be an all star in all stars.
the truth is he is not on a decline and is far from surpassing his prime. ok yes, he is not this 18-25 year old he once was who we marveled at as the next jordan. he actually got on a late start to blossom and the youngest to 20,000 is so underrated.
BIGSHOT
12-24-2007, 02:50 AM
Thats very impressive when you consider that he didnt get significant minutes until his 3rd year in the league and had to play with the MDE for 8 years. Of course, these idiotic Kobe haters will stop at nothing to give him no credit.
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 02:57 AM
If you think we "Kobe fans are annoying" then why not you just mind your own business and post it in another thread? If you don't like the thread, don't post in it. that simple.
*Waits for smart ass reply*
Because I'm tired of fcking seeing these threads in the GENERAL NBA forum every other hour? Why don't you imbeciles stick to the Laker forums? Never understood it. I think you just wanna annoy us to death. You're all definitely bringing the forums down.
the guy is 30 years old! 30 years old
He's 29.
Because I'm tired of fcking seeing these threads in the GENERAL NBA forum every other hour? Why don't you imbeciles stick to the Laker forums? Never understood it. I think you just wanna annoy us to death. You're all definitely bringing the forums down.
blah blah blah, whiny little man..go away if you don't like, it, or here's a simple act so simple i think even you and your immature mind can grasp.... don't click on the thread, click on something that interests you..
seriously the guy sets a new NBA record and you find it insulting to your being somehow that someone makes a post? haha wtf is wrong with you?
seriously grow the fu*k up man, your worst then a goddam old woman..sheesh
FashionIssues
12-24-2007, 03:07 AM
He's 29.
even better loke dawg
hotsizzle
12-24-2007, 03:11 AM
Knowing Kobe's age, he won't make it to 30,000.
If he averages around his career average (24-25) until hes age 35 playing on average 70 games a season, he would be third or fourth all time
BIGSHOT
12-24-2007, 03:12 AM
What a moron. The reason Kobe didn't get significant minutes early on was because he sucked. He was an airball + turnover machine. And even alongside Shaq, he still shot horrific percentages. What makes you think his numbers would've improved without Shaq drawing the whole other team's attention?
He was playing behind Eddie Jones dumbass who at that time was a all-star caliber player. If you think Kobes career scoring numbers would not have been better without Shaq then youre a bigger moron then I thought. Man these Kobe haters are so dumb.
If he averages around his career average (24-25) until hes age 35 playing on average 70 games a season, he would be third or fourth all timehow many points would that roughly be? realisticlly?
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 03:15 AM
He was playing behind Eddie Jones dumbass who at that time was a all-star caliber player. If you think Kobes career scoring numbers would not have been better without Shaq then youre a bigger moron then I thought. Man these Kobe haters are so dumb.
Awesome. More points and lower FG% and annual trips to the lottery.
I'm Sorry, Guys!
12-24-2007, 03:18 AM
At a mere 26.6 ppg average (below his 27.0 career average) over the course of a 75 game season, LeBron will garner 2000 points annually. Which would put him at a very freshly turned 28-year old vet breaking Kobe's record by a full year.
But that's bare MININUM!!!
Throw in multiple 30 ppg seasons and LeBron's breaking the record by the age of 26.
Suck for you, Kobe fans. You won't even enjoy this record for a full 4 years. :oldlol:
BIGSHOT
12-24-2007, 03:20 AM
Hes been 45-46% from the field while being one of the most efficient 25+ ppg scorers in the whole league the last 2 years. Hes takin 2 god-awful teams to the playoffs the last 2 years in THE WESTERN CONFERENCE. The Lakers would make the playoffs every single year as long as hes healthy.
BIGSHOT
12-24-2007, 03:21 AM
Who gives a **** if Lebron gets it? The only thing that matters is that Kobe has it now. Seriously get over it haters.
Bond007
12-24-2007, 03:24 AM
pathetic thread
hotsizzle
12-24-2007, 03:25 AM
how many points would that roughly be? realisticlly?
If memory serves correct (I never calculated this, but saw it on another forum a while ago), he would have enough to surpass MJ for #3 on the list with 32,000+
bdreason
12-24-2007, 03:30 AM
Gras Kobe.
Great player, and I'm honored to have watched his entire career.
:party:
kobe, lebron or whom ever, lets put it in pespective too, yes he beat wilts record who was also 29 but he spent two years playing colllege ball whereas kobe jumped from high school straight to the pros..
kareem the greatest scorer ever was 30 years plus when he hit 20k, but he spent 3 years in college...
lebron will be in the same position coming straight from high school to the pros so taken in retrospec it's a nice record to hold, but probably not one that holds alot of weight in the grand scheme of things
bdreason
12-24-2007, 03:32 AM
Awesome. More points and lower FG% and annual trips to the lottery.
Kobe takes average teams to the playoffs in the West.
No team Kobe is on will ever see the lottery.
FashionIssues
12-24-2007, 03:33 AM
and kobe did not inherit this team. kobe was not drafted in the manner to be "witnessed" or to force us to be "witnesses". so if lebron obliterates this record then whoop dee doo. you came in to be the man from the start. the truth is any player that comes in to make a name for himself behind a machine like shaq in this era is worthy of shine.
InfamousDX
12-24-2007, 10:18 AM
Was anyone else at the game??? I was in the upper deck corner, first row. Great, cheap seats for a view of Kobe.
So dumb that MSG didn't even acknowledge the feat during the game, thought that was pretty ****ty of them. But my friends and I knew which shot put him over so it was pretty great. 2nd time seeing Mamba in person (FIBA over the summer) so this was AMAZING to see how clutch the guy is. Gotta respect him even if you hate him.
Real Men Wear Green
12-24-2007, 10:39 AM
So dumb that MSG didn't even acknowledge the feat during the game, thought that was pretty ****ty of them.
Why should they? He's not their player, why should they tell the fans to cheer for an opponent?
InfamousDX
12-24-2007, 10:42 AM
Why should they? He's not their player, why should they tell the fans to cheer for an opponent?
Oh I dunno. To respect accomplishments of a person in the league they play in.. the NBA. They did it for 'Nique in MSG for a 20K or 25K milestone... why not for Kobe? At least the Knicks fans will ahve something to cheer about... not to mention for someone like Kobe, he has fans everywhere.
Real Men Wear Green
12-24-2007, 10:48 AM
Oh I dunno. To respect accomplishments of a person in the league they play in.. the NBA. They did it for 'Nique in MSG for a 20K or 25K milestone... why not for Kobe? At least the Knicks fans will ahve something to cheer about... not to mention for someone like Kobe, he has fans everywhere.
Just because they did it in the past doesn't mean they have to now. That happened 15 years ago and they probably have a completely different group of people running the place, plus, seeing as the fans barely ever cheer the actual home team cheering the opposition would just be that much more of an embarrassment. They have no obligation to Bryant or his fans.
InfamousDX
12-24-2007, 11:02 AM
Agreed... I just feel they didn't do it because they're having such a ****ty, clown shoe joke of a season that acknowledging someone else would just rub salt in the wound. Again, in my opinion, they should have. In yours, they shouldn't.
Brunch@Five
12-24-2007, 11:56 AM
If Kobe finishes this season with the same average he has now, playing 75 games, he'll be at 21306 points.
Assuming he's playing 5 more season of 75 games after this one, he'd have to score 23.2 points per night to reach 30k. Easy. Only question is whether he'll pass MJ and Wilt on the all time scoring list.
glidedrxlr22
12-24-2007, 12:30 PM
who cares? bron is gonna smash this record by the time he's 27 anyways...
replace smash with annihilate
jason816
12-24-2007, 03:03 PM
was not about to say anything about LeBron on this thread...
since it's about kobe....
but then so many people talked about it... well..
Lebron may not pass Kobe on scoring, but who cares?
He'll have far more rebounds, assist, blocks...
Kobe is a scorer, Lebron.. he just do everything.:confusedshrug:
jason816
12-24-2007, 03:24 PM
by the way, can somebody find out how many games Wilt and MJ played when they reached 20k points?
i think it's better to talk about games played than age...
after all, Kobe started his career when he was 18 or something. he spent 11 seasons to get into this club
Psileas
12-24-2007, 04:58 PM
by the way, can somebody find out how many games Wilt and MJ played when they reached 20k points?
i think it's better to talk about games played than age...
after all, Kobe started his career when he was 18 or something. he spent 11 seasons to get into this club
Completely agree. Speed and age are completely different things, which is why it's a crucial mistake to say Kobe/LeBron is the "fastest" player to reach X points. I bet Wilt and Jordan would hold a lot of these records if they started their careers at the same age.
And, to answer the question, Wilt needed only 499 games, while Jordan needed 620. Kobe is the 15th fastest to reach them, IIRC.
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 06:25 PM
Oh I dunno. To respect accomplishments of a person in the league they play in.. the NBA. They did it for 'Nique in MSG for a 20K or 25K milestone... why not for Kobe? At least the Knicks fans will ahve something to cheer about... not to mention for someone like Kobe, he has fans everywhere.
I'm a Knicks fan. Don't like Kobe. If I had tickets to the game, I would've booed.
Make It Rain
12-24-2007, 06:26 PM
Kobe takes average teams to the playoffs in the West.
No team Kobe is on will ever see the lottery.
See: '04-05
interbasket
12-25-2007, 01:55 PM
Completely agree. Speed and age are completely different things, which is why it's a crucial mistake to say Kobe/LeBron is the "fastest" player to reach X points.... And, to answer the question, Wilt needed only 499 games, while Jordan needed 620. Kobe is the 15th fastest to reach them, IIRC.
Hey guys,
I completely agree, although a great accomplishment, using games played should be the gauge, there is too many variables when we just use age as the measure. It's not a equal look or a fair shake to guys in the past that never had the opportunity to live in an era where high-school players could jump to the NBA.
I did some research and wrote a POV on this topic (http://www.interbasket.net/) yesterday (yeah, it was a fantastic xmas eve!) and was able to determine the top-16-20 players (rough) on the 20,000 point club based on games-played. Here's part of the list and a little of what I wrote:
Don't get lost in the hype, Kobe Bryant may be the youngest player to reach 20,000 points in the NBA, but doesn't mean he was the fastest nor most efficient.
All these news outlets talking up this youngest-to-20,000-record has left me a little perplexed. I know it’s a nice-sounding record, but since I am a stats-kinda-guy, I find that it's inherently flawed to judge these type of records based on age. Perhaps if all NBA players entered the league at 18 years old, then the accomplishment would have some weight, but that’s just not the case - making all this mostly just hype.
Viewing this as an apples-to-apples comparison, Kobe’s feat isn’t nearly as amazing-sounding. Using the amount of games-played as our simple yet equal measure- Wilt, Jordan, Big-O, Kareem and ten other players reached 20,000 points faster than Kobe Bryant. On this list, Kobe falls to 15th. Here's the top-ten list of players that reached 20,000 points in order of the least amount of games played:
1. Wilt Chamberlain (499 games) during the 65-66 season (7th NBA season)
2. Michael Jordan (620) January 08, 1993 vs Milwukee Bucks (9th)
3. Oscar Robertson (671) during the 1968-69 season (9th)
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (684) during the 1976-77 season (9th)
5. Elgin Baylor (711) during the 1968-69 season (11th)
6. Allen Iverson (713) January 23, 2007 vs. Denver Nuggets (11th)
7. Jerry West (~720) during the 1970-71 season (11th)
8. Shaquille O’Neal (727) March 20, 2003 vs. Sacramento Kings (11th)
9. George Gervin (~745) during the 1985-86 season (10th)
10. Bob Petit (~760) November 13, 1964 (11th)
Researching the internet and referring to basketball-reference.com I was able to determine the top-15 list (with some older players I had to go with approximate games played) as well as including other players in the 20,000 point-club. To see where Kobe stands and where players like Dominique Wilkins, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett and Charles Barkley rank on this list
Check out my research/article (via digg) (http://digg.com/basketball/Kobe_Bryant_Youngest,_but_not_Fastest_to_20,000_Po ints) and digg it if you like it.
Stuart
See: '04-05
Shhh....Kobe fans like to pretend that that season never happened. :)
20 Dimes A Game
12-25-2007, 02:02 PM
Congrats, Kobe. :cheers: :banana: :party:
Does anyone think he'll make the 30,000 club, and if so, when?
We'll have to see.
Brunch@Five
12-25-2007, 02:08 PM
Hey guys,
I completely agree, although a great accomplishment, using games played should be the gauge, there is too many variables when we just use age as the measure. It's not a equal look or a fair shake to guys in the past that never had the opportunity to live in an era where high-school players could jump to the NBA.
I did some research and wrote a POV on this topic (http://www.interbasket.net/) yesterday (yeah, it was a fantastic xmas eve!) and was able to determine the top-16-20 players (rough) on the 20,000 point club based on games-played. Here's part of the list and a little of what I wrote:
Check out my research/article (via digg) (http://www.digg.com/basketball/Kobe_Bryant_Actually_only_15th_Fastest_to_20_000_p oints) and digg it if you like it.
Stuart
comparing games played instead of age is just as much an apples-to-oranges comparison. Kobe didn't get as much playing time his first two years in the league due to age. To really have an "apples-to-apples" comparison you'd need to count the games needed to score 20k points after they turned 22.
Kblaze8855
12-25-2007, 02:08 PM
A ballhog is not a negative thing if u win the game, unlike Wilt's 100 points game.
You think Wilts team lost that game?
comparing games played instead of age is just as much an apples-to-oranges comparison. Kobe didn't get as much playing time his first two years in the league due to age. To really have an "apples-to-apples" comparison you'd need to count the games needed to score 20k points after they turned 22.
Compare minutes played, then.
interbasket
12-25-2007, 02:21 PM
comparing games played instead of age is just as much an apples-to-oranges comparison. Kobe didn't get as much playing time his first two years in the league due to age. To really have an "apples-to-apples" comparison you'd need to count the games needed to score 20k points after they turned 22.
Comparing games played is much fairer comparison. Minutes played would be even a more fairer look, but I don't think the list would change that dramatically.
If a player wants the benefit of coming into the league early when they're not ready to contribute consistently, then we can't cherry-pick when it benefits our argument. What happens in 7 years, when we add LeBron James and Dwight Howard to the mix? Their first several years, they were able to put up great numbers straight out of high-school. And what of Kevin Garnett? His career path wasn't as dominant as LeBron's or DHo's, but looks similiar to Clyde Drexler's, Barkley's, Karl Malone's or Alex English's (as far as points).
Just because HS-to-NBA players like Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe and McGrady were riding the NBA bench their first few years in the league, let's just assume they were dominating the college ranks instead as Wilt, Kareem, Bird, and Jordan were doing when they were 19 years old.
Fair is fair, and looking at games-played is a much more equal measure than age.
Stuart
Batchoy
12-25-2007, 02:28 PM
comparing games played instead of age is just as much an apples-to-oranges comparison. Kobe didn't get as much playing time his first two years in the league due to age. To really have an "apples-to-apples" comparison you'd need to count the games needed to score 20k points after they turned 22.Just because Kobe was "too young" to actually make a difference in a game when he first entered the NBA doesn't mean those years don't count. Stop making excuses for your love buddy, Kobe, or do you want to give all those players who went straight from high school to the NBA a 2-4 year make-up call? Let's give a pass to Jermaine O'Neil, Garnett, Kwame (better give him a 10 year pass), Chandler, etc. Besides, Kobe was averaging double digits in his first years in the league. Not bad for a high school kid. And how about Lebron? Does is first 2 years not count, yet he was already averaging 20+ points per game?
PLEASE, STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR KOBE JUST TO PUT HIM ON YOUR LOVE PEDESTAL!!!
Brunch@Five
12-25-2007, 02:31 PM
using games played when comparing college alumnis to high school graduates is not fair at all, because high schoolers still have about 4 years to go to enter their athletic and mental prime.
Any way we try to compare it, I think it's kinda pointless. Who really cares whether Kobe was x days younger than Wilt when he reached 20k, or that Wilt needed y less games than MJ. It's surely is no stat to measure greatness in terms of scoring.
It should be obvious that the difference in age when entering the NBA spoils these kinds of stats.
Richie2k6
12-25-2007, 02:40 PM
using games played when comparing college alumnis to high school graduates is not fair at all, because high schoolers still have about 4 years to go to enter their athletic and mental prime.
Any way we try to compare it, I think it's kinda pointless. Who really cares whether Kobe was x days younger than Wilt when he reached 20k, or that Wilt needed y less games than MJ. It's surely is no stat to measure greatness in terms of scoring.
It should be obvious that the difference in age when entering the NBA spoils these kinds of stats.
Similar to what I think and will always think about "Youngest player to _________" stats. People seem to forget that coming out of high school makes you younger than someone who came out of college. I personally only consider it a major accomplishment when compared to people that came out of high school, and compare people who came out of college to people who came out of college. Compare a high schooler to a college player? Doesn't seem very fair, it's not someone's faults that they decided to go to college and get even better. It degrades his accomplishemtn when you consider age. If he came out of college at age 20 or 21 and did this, then that's damn good. Makes it even worse when the high schooler is brought into an environment where he's the main man, eg Lebron. They're basically handing the accolade to him as soon as they draft him (baring the player turning out to be not that great). But still great accomplishment for Kobe.
Batchoy
12-25-2007, 02:43 PM
It should be obvious that the difference in age when entering the NBA spoils these kinds of stats.Not for Lebron. And it doesn't "spoil" the stats. Those stats just shows how ready the players were for the NBA. The high school players rolled the dice and went for it.
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-25-2007, 04:43 PM
Not for Lebron. And it doesn't "spoil" the stats. Those stats just shows how ready the players were for the NBA. The high school players rolled the dice and went for it.
do you think Wilt would have been ready for the NBA if they allowed it back then?
don't bother...the answer is obvious.
Psileas
12-25-2007, 06:04 PM
do you think Wilt would have been ready for the NBA if they allowed it back then?
don't bother...the answer is obvious.
Wilt was considered the best player in the world in 1955 (there is a link from a newspaper from that time, which claimed that Wilt might already be better than anyone who had ever played basketball), at the age of 19. I've already shown a few short clips from Wilt at high school, which confirm his abilities. Add the fact that the 1955 NBA was clearly inferior when it comes to competition to its 1960 (and later) versions and still developing (the 24'' clock was on its first steps, black men were few) and you'll understand it's very likely he'd be pretty ready.
Among the all-time greats, I believe that some would have a big impact, simular to LeBron's (Wilt, Kareem, Oscar, Magic), while others might have to wait 1-2 years (Russell, West, maybe Bird and Jordan, considering how much they developed their games between the ages of 18 and 22).
interbasket
12-25-2007, 09:45 PM
Wilt was considered the best player in the world in 1955 (there is a link from a newspaper from that time, which claimed that Wilt might already be better than anyone who had ever played basketball), at the age of 19. I've already shown a few short clips from Wilt at high school, which confirm his abilities. Add the fact that the 1955 NBA was clearly inferior when it comes to competition to its 1960 (and later) versions and still developing (the 24'' clock was on its first steps, black men were few) and you'll understand it's very likely he'd be pretty ready.
See, I don't know if bleedinpurpleTwo meant that Wilt was obviously ready for the NBA or not, if he meant that Wilt was not going to be ready then he definitely needs to read up on him.
The guy was so good that he was dominating NBA players back in the day even more than Shaq did in his prime and even moreso than Michael Jordan.
Stuart
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-25-2007, 10:24 PM
Wilt was considered the best player in the world in 1955 (there is a link from a newspaper from that time, which claimed that Wilt might already be better than anyone who had ever played basketball), at the age of 19. I've already shown a few short clips from Wilt at high school, which confirm his abilities. Add the fact that the 1955 NBA was clearly inferior when it comes to competition to its 1960 (and later) versions and still developing (the 24'' clock was on its first steps, black men were few) and you'll understand it's very likely he'd be pretty ready.
Among the all-time greats, I believe that some would have a big impact, simular to LeBron's (Wilt, Kareem, Oscar, Magic), while others might have to wait 1-2 years (Russell, West, maybe Bird and Jordan, considering how much they developed their games between the ages of 18 and 22).
like I said, the answer is obvious.
bleedinpurpleTwo
12-25-2007, 10:26 PM
See, I don't know if bleedinpurpleTwo meant that Wilt was obviously ready for the NBA or not, if he meant that Wilt was not going to be ready then he definitely needs to read up on him.
The guy was so good that he was dominating NBA players back in the day even more than Shaq did in his prime and even moreso than Michael Jordan.
Stuart
fyi, of course I meant he was ready for the NBA. surely that is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the history of the game.
poeticism707
12-25-2007, 11:11 PM
Wilt only scored 20,000 points in half as many games as Kobe.
Lebron is already the youngest to 9,000. He'll break Kobe's record.
AlphaWolf24
11-06-2014, 02:52 PM
Kobe fans are so annoying.
Most of the people saying LeBron will do it faster aren't LeBron fans. Kobe fans are just idiots. What's the point of this stupid topic anyway? Post it in your own damn forums. Nobody cares.
Any Lebron fan would say that Lebron would make it past Kobe's record...
If you think we "Kobe fans are annoying" then why not you just mind your own business and post it in another thread? If you don't like the thread, don't post in it. that simple.
*Waits for smart ass reply*
BBALL discussion was mo better back in the good ol' days....:cry:
riseagainst
11-06-2014, 02:58 PM
Kobe takes average teams to the playoffs in the West.
No team Kobe is on will ever see the lottery.
o snap.
TheMarkMadsen
11-06-2014, 03:01 PM
o snap.
I'm sure he was referring to 36 year old post achillies/broken leg Kobe whose second best player is Jordan Hill.
Mr Feeny
11-06-2014, 03:36 PM
o snap.
Lawlz
34 wins and the lottery in 2005
And certainly another big lotto this year:lol
AirFederer
11-06-2014, 04:12 PM
20,000 misses :bowdown:
MP.Trey
11-06-2014, 04:15 PM
Let's get the triple-double too :cheers:
In typical konex fashion, Kobe did not get the triple double that night. Did have a beast 39/11/8 line on 50% shooting though.
PistonsFan#21
11-06-2014, 06:50 PM
I'm sure he was referring to 36 year old post achillies/broken leg Kobe whose second best player is Jordan Hill.
What is hard to understand in No team Kobe is on? :confusedshrug:
nowhere was age mentionned
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