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mjbulls23
01-11-2008, 05:01 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bk-howard011108,0,580490.story?coll=orl_tab01_layout



Orlando Magic All-Star center Dwight Howard acknowledged Friday that he has become a first-time father of a baby boy born recently in Orlando.

Howard, 22, told the Orlando Sentinel after the team's shootaround in Denver that he was the boy's father.

"I'm not going to deny it. Yes, I have a son," Howard said. "It's just my personal life. Yes, I'm excited about it, but I'd like to keep my personal life personal."

The mother is Royce Reed, a former Orlando Magic dancer.

Reed was a member of the Magic's dance team at least during the 2005-2006 season, according to club's Web site. She danced for the Miami Heat during the 2006-07 season, according to the Heat's Web site.

Juanita Reed, Royce Reed's mother, said the baby, Braylon, was born Nov. 18 in Orlando, three weeks early.

"She's doing great," Juanita Reed said Friday. "Royce and Dwight are very happy. They are very good friends. How close they are, well, you'd have to talk to them. I'm just the grandma. It was not something that was planned. It was a beautiful surprise, though."

Howard, who signed a contract extension this season believed to be worth $85 million over five seasons, is expected to make his first start for the Eastern Conference in next month's NBA All-Star Game in New Orleans. He is the leading vote-getter among centers in either the conference with more than 1.4 million votes.

This is a picture of the mother, Royce Reed :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:


http://i6.tinypic.com/72add90.jpg

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 05:02 PM
Like the good Christian that he is.

I'm Sorry, Guys!
01-11-2008, 05:03 PM
Another bible-thumper gone wrong. What a holy hypocrite.

White Chocolate
01-11-2008, 05:05 PM
I'm sure it's safe to say they won't be getting married anytime soon.

A.M.G.
01-11-2008, 05:10 PM
You can scream and struggle all you like, but 'tsk' it's gonna happen.

Sharas
01-11-2008, 05:11 PM
after all the jesus and bible crap, guy conceives a kid with a cheerleader. well, at least he's against abortion just like the official church:ohwell:


what a hypocrite:no:

Kobe24
01-11-2008, 05:12 PM
I thought Dwight was a devout Christian? Tsk Tsk at him then.

Darius
01-11-2008, 05:12 PM
lmao

I can't wait until I see his cross atop the NBA logo.

Kobe24
01-11-2008, 05:13 PM
Props to Dwight for hitting that though.

DLeagueWannabe
01-11-2008, 05:19 PM
this post is dedicated to all you morality experts who preach that NBA player's character and lifestyles should me flawless....

He's young, rich, and famous....

We all would do the same thing...

kumquat
01-11-2008, 05:26 PM
She be the devil!

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 05:33 PM
Pop quiz: Which rule or law in the Bible did Howard break by having a child out of wedlock? Thamarra is presented as a good woman in the Bible, and yet her story is of a woman that went out to a man she was not married to (the father of a number of her ex-husbands, no less) and got a kid by him. King David, ancestor of Jesus and one of the holiest men of the Old Testament had numerous wives and concubines but was only upbraided by God once, when he went after the wife of Uriah.

hoopslife
01-11-2008, 05:49 PM
The ten commandments dude. DO NOT HAVE ADULTURY! Sex outside of marriage = ADULTURY.

Matthew 5:27 You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

AppleNader
01-11-2008, 05:49 PM
Smooth move Dwigt

kumquat
01-11-2008, 05:50 PM
Dwight will be holding a press conference later, his son was born of a virgin cheerleader. An immaculate conception.

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 05:52 PM
this post is dedicated to all you morality experts who preach that NBA player's character and lifestyles should me flawless....

He's young, rich, and famous....

We all would do the same thing...

No, some of us would've worn a condom. Or f*cked the girl up the ass.

DLeagueWannabe
01-11-2008, 05:55 PM
No, some of us would've worn a condom. Or f*cked the girl up the ass.

touche':rockon:

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 05:55 PM
The ten commandments dude. DO NOT HAVE ADULTURY! Sex outside of marriage = ADULTURY.

Matthew 5:27 You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
He isn't married. (http://m-w.com/dictionary/adultery)

hoopslife
01-11-2008, 05:58 PM
Right and that's why it's a sin.

Read -
Matthew 5:27 You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

kps
01-11-2008, 05:58 PM
He isn't married. (http://m-w.com/dictionary/adultery)

Depends on the state you're in-North Carolina defines adultery as when any man and woman "lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together."

:banana:

PK3434
01-11-2008, 06:01 PM
props to Dwight...

starface
01-11-2008, 06:02 PM
forgot to break out the Immaculate Contraception i guess

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 06:02 PM
Right and that's why it's a sin.

Read -
Matthew 5:27 You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Read the link I posted. Adultery is sex between a married person and someone other than their spouse.
Depends on the state you're in-North Carolina defines adultery as when any man and woman "lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together."

:banana:
Which proves that they're a bunch of idiots.

smith
01-11-2008, 06:11 PM
Grats to Howard. :cheers:

About the bible, the rules don't suit todays world, they were meant to do good in the middle ages, which they did to some extent but they don't suit todays world.

ErhnamDjinn
01-11-2008, 06:15 PM
who cares as long as he loves his Kid and raises his child to be a good person no harm done. Im sure God will forgive Dwight:cheers:

StroShow4
01-11-2008, 06:30 PM
i was talking to someone a couple days ago about how i didnt buy into that "christian boy" image crap with howard. i will have to bring this up :oldlol:

hoopslife
01-11-2008, 06:33 PM
Read the link I posted. Adultery is sex between a married person and someone other than their spouse.
Which proves that they're a bunch of idiots.

Jesus said that lust outside of marriage is considered adultery. I seriously think he doesn't give a crap how Webster defines it when he defined himself.

StroShow4
01-11-2008, 06:36 PM
"She's doing great," Juanita Reed said Friday. "Royce and Dwight are very happy. They are very good friends. How close they are, well, you'd have to talk to them. I'm just the grandma. It was not something that was planned. It was a beautiful surprise, though."

did that make anyone else lol?

:oldlol:
:oldlol:

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 06:40 PM
Jesus said that lust outside of marriage is considered adultery. I seriously think he doesn't give a crap how Webster defines it when he defined himself.
You're taking the quote too literally. Jesus said, "I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart." If that's the standard then just about every hetero man that has ever lived will be "cast into Gehenna." Because unless you're gay you have at one time or another looked at a woman and thought she was attractive. In reality that line is Jesus warning people to be careful about sinning, even contemplating sinning. Why do you think that great prophets and Biblical leaders like Abraham and David were allowed to have so many women?

MK2V1GP
01-11-2008, 06:43 PM
out of all the things howard does and says...it was his "devout" beliefs as a christian and how outgoing and outspoken he was about that. then this comes up?

kps
01-11-2008, 06:43 PM
Why do you think that great prophets and Biblical leaders like Abraham and David were allowed to have so many women?
Because they were horny old toads?

MK2V1GP
01-11-2008, 06:44 PM
Grats to Howard. :cheers:

About the bible, the rules don't suit todays world, they were meant to do good in the middle ages, which they did to some extent but they don't suit todays world.


thats bull...you waitin on someone to write a "new millenium century" version of God's word?:)

konex
01-11-2008, 06:49 PM
I ain't gonna judge Dwight like some here but he's dumb for lettimg himself become this chick's lottery ticket for life..

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 06:50 PM
Why do you think that great prophets and Biblical leaders like Abraham and David were allowed to have so many women?

Uhh....because they had nothing to do with Christianity and its moral precepts?

We're talking about Christians, not Jews here.

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 06:53 PM
I ain't gonna judge Dwight like some here but he's dumb for lettimg himself become this chick's lottery ticket for life..
What, should he never have kids? He apparently wants the child, so I don't see the problem. Unless he marries Oprah or some other super-rich woman he's going to be supporting any woman that has his child, so so long as he's happy with the woman and kid, what's it matter?

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 06:55 PM
Uhh....because they had nothing to do with Christianity and its moral precepts?

We're talking about Christians, not Jews here.
Is this a serious post? The entire Old Testament is basically Judaism, and Jesus never said that it was to be disregarded. Guess what? Jesus wasn't a Christian either...he was a Jew.

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 06:59 PM
Is this a serious post? The entire Old Testament is basically Judaism, and Jesus never said that it was to be disregarded. Guess what? Jesus wasn't a Christian either...he was a Jew.

Do you eat pork?
Do you cook dairy and meat together?
Do you keep the Sabbath?
Do you celebrate Passover?
Do you have tattoos or piercings?
Do you still have your foreskin?

If you answered yes to any of these, and many others I could've listed, you're breaking Old Testament commandments.

And Jesus was NOT a Jew. Jews don't normally go around claiming they're sons of God.

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 07:01 PM
And don't even try to argue this point. Show me a major Christian denomination that condones pre-marital sex.

And it's not as if Howard's a member of some liberal branch of Christianity.

http://www.fofci.com/main.html

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 07:07 PM
Do you eat pork?
Do you cook dairy and meat together?
Do you keep the Sabbath?
Do you celebrate Passover?
Do you have tattoos or piercings?
Do you still have your foreskin?

If you answered yes to any of these, and many others I could've listed, you're breaking Old Testament commandments.

And Jesus was NOT a Jew. Jews don't normally go around claiming they're sons of God.
I'm not a Christian, so none of that even matters to me (though for the record, I don't eat pork...nasty stuff). Jesus's claim to be the son of God doesn't change the fact that he was a Jew. He did "keep the Sabbath, celebrate Passover," etc. Just because practicing Jews don't accept him as the Messiah doesn't mean that he wasn't a Hebrew.

Darius
01-11-2008, 07:07 PM
Yawn.

Real Green Men trying unsuccessfully to play devil's advocate as usual (at least one can only hope he is playing devil's advocate).

hoopslife
01-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Yawn.

Real Green Men trying unsuccessfully to play devil's advocate as usual (at least one can only hope he is playing devil's advocate).

Real Green Man sounds like he has a guilty conscious..

2LeTTeRS KD
01-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Damn most people here aren't serious but for the few who feel that this somehow means that Dwight isn't a Christain need to grow up. We all make mistakes and thats why God is a forgiving God. I'm sure glad most of you who make dumb comments about a baby's birth supposedly making a man an idiot don't get to judge. Congrats to Dwight.

Penny37
01-11-2008, 07:10 PM
I'm not a Christian, so none of that even matters to me (though for the record, I don't eat pork...nasty stuff). Jesus's claim to be the son of God doesn't change the fact that he was a Jew. He did "keep the Sabbath, celebrate Passover," etc. Just because practicing Jews don't accept him as the Messiah doesn't mean that he wasn't a Hebrew.

You guys ever hear of Jewish Christians??
Those are Jewish people who believe in Christ.

And you seem like an intelligent guy, RealMen, but are you honestly trying to argue that the bible does not forbid premarrital sex?

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 07:10 PM
And don't even try to argue this point. Show me a major Christian denomination that condones pre-marital sex.

And it's not as if Howard's a member of some liberal branch of Christianity.

http://www.fofci.com/main.html
I'm talking about the incorrect belief that premarital sex is banned in the Bible. Notice I never said that Howard isn't a hypocrite. I could care less what the major branches of Christianity say; the Catholic Church sold indulgences and here in America Protestants burned "witches" at the stake. I'm just discussing the actual teachings.

2LeTTeRS KD
01-11-2008, 07:14 PM
You guys ever hear of Jewish Christians??
Those are Jewish people who believe in Christ.

And you seem like an intelligent guy, RealMen, but are you honestly trying to argue that the bible does not forbid premarrital sex?

Seems more to me that he's pretty much admitting that Dwight sinned but that the general uproar in this thread is ridiculous. I pretty much agree that what he did was wrong, but in the grand scheme of things we all sin and have the capability to be forgiven and just because Dwight has made his faith known to the general public there is no reason to hold him to a higher standard.

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 07:15 PM
Real Green Man sounds like he has a guilty conscious..
"Conscience," and about this subject, no, I don't feel any guilt. If you guys have actual points to make, feel free, but the personal stuff s irrelevant.

are you honestly trying to argue that the bible does not forbid premarrital sex?
If it does, I haven't seen where it's expressly forbidden. In the original Garden of Eden, Gad gave Adam and Eve no knowledge of Good or Evil, and just let them carry on however they would until they ate the fruit.

Now, I've seen adultery forbidden, but that's a different topic.

JohnnyBravo5
01-11-2008, 07:18 PM
well there goes a $25, 000 monthly check. I think that every successful man in America should listen to the International Players Anthem before they have sex. It is the best pro condom commercial ever.

Penny37
01-11-2008, 07:22 PM
I'm talking about the incorrect belief that premarital sex is banned in the Bible. Notice I never said that Howard isn't a hypocrite. I could care less what the major branches of Christianity say; the Catholic Church sold indulgences and here in America Protestants burned "witches" at the stake. I'm just discussing the actual teachings.

Take a look at some of these passages.

Exodus 22:16-17.]

1 Corinthians 7:1-2
Now about the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to live a celibate life. But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:8-9
Now I say to those who aren't married and to widows it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am. But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust.

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8
For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this manner no one should cheat his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

2 Corinthians 11:2
I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

And THAT'S just the New Testament

Exodus 22:16 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Exodus 22:16
If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.



It doesn't say outright, "Do not have premarrital sex," but it's a natural conclusion given the context of these passages.

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Now, I've seen adultery forbidden, but that's a different topic.

Have you ever bothered reading the Bible in any of its original languages? Or languages other than English?

Adultery is a legal term that has nothing to do with the Bible. Adultery as a word in the Bible is simply one choice as to how to translate the original Hebrew or Greek. It has nothing to do with the dictionary definition of adultery you seem to believe in.

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 07:36 PM
It doesn't say outright, "Do not have premarrital sex," but it's a natural conclusion given the context of these passages.
It's a conclusion you can make, but as I've said, it's not a commandment. You could definitely say, from a Christian perspective, "Don't have sex outside of marriage, just to be safe," but again, it's simply not something that gets expressly forbidden. Rather, the sexual repression of the Christian church is something that has been added on by people that were never Bible prophets, and many of whom were guilty of the very behaviors they condemned. I laugh every time I hear about a collared child molester. I feel badly for the victims, but to me it shows the enormous hypocrisy of several Christian churches. The misinterpretations of the teachings of Jesus and other prophets, the hidden wickedness of many priests, and the teachings of the Bible that I personally don't agree with (for example, I don't think homosexuals are evil) have all combined to make me pass on the label of "Christian." I believe in a lot of Christian teachings, but just can't accept what these preachers are teaching without at least a little bit of analysis.
Have you ever bothered reading the Bible in any of its original languages? Or languages other than English?

Adultery is a legal term that has nothing to do with the Bible. Adultery as a word in the Bible is simply one choice as to how to translate the original Hebrew or Greek. It has nothing to do with the dictionary definition of adultery you seem to believe in.
So, what's your correct translation? I don't know Hebrew or Greek. But I have read a few opinions on this subject, like this one. (http://www.libchrist.com/bible/fornication.html) A quote I found interesting from it:
I Cor 6:9 badly mistranslate "porneia" as fornication. Corinth was a wide-open port city. People there could get sex any way they wanted it. Where our English translations read 'fornication', Paul's original Greek word was 'porneia' which means to sell and refers to slaves bought and sold for cultic prostitution. What was happening in the Temples of Corinth was farmers were visiting the temple priestesses who represented the fertility Gods. By having sex with these prostitutes they believed their fields would be more furtile. It didn't even have to do with going to prostitutes, but pagan cultic worship.

In Rome, the Latin prostitutes would hang out in small alley's and behind small L shaped walls. In Latin the shape is called FORNIX, hence the place association with acts of prostitution gave "fornicatio" Where Paul was condemning sex goddess, cultic, prostitution or trafficking in slaves for that purpose, the Latin fathers substituted 'fornicatio', which led readers to believe that Paul was condemning all forms of premarital sexual intercourse."

Some modern English Bible versions translate "porneia" as "sexual immorality", a term which is supposed to clarify the somewhat obscure and dated "fornication", but is really a catch-all term that allows interpreters, both professional and lay, to apply this passage to any sexual behavior at all, far beyond the specific practices to which Paul refers.

Penny37
01-11-2008, 07:40 PM
It's a conclusion you can make, but as I've said, it's not a commandment. You could definitely say, from a Christian perspective, "Don't have sex outside of marriage, just to be safe," but again, it's simply not something that gets expressly forbidden. Rather, the sexual repression of the Christian church is something that has been added on by people that were never Bible prophets, and many of whom were guilty of the very behaviors they condemned. I laugh every time I hear about a collared child molester. I feel badly for the victims, but to me it shows the enormous hypocrisy of several Christian churches. The misinterpretations of the teachings of Jesus and other prophets, the hidden wickedness of many priests, and the teachings of the Bible that I personally don't agree with (for example, I don't think homosexuals are evil) have all combined to make me pass on the label of "Christian." I believe in a lot of Christian teachings, but just can't accept what these preachers are teaching without at least a little bit of analysis.
So, what's your correct translation? I don't know Hebrew or Greek. But I have read a few opinions on this subject, like this one. (http://www.libchrist.com/bible/fornication.html) A quote I found interesting from it:


What exactly is your definition of a commandment?

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 07:43 PM
What exactly is your definition of a commandment?
A law. Like the Ten Commandments.

SomeBunghole
01-11-2008, 07:50 PM
A law. Like the Ten Commandments.

Uhhh...if you're a Christian, everything in the Bible is the literal word of God, and as such, a commandment.

Na'aph (the word translated as adultery) means sex outside of wedlock, essentially.

GOBB
01-11-2008, 07:55 PM
Dwight the same guy who wanted to change Jerry West logo to a cross? Mr. Religious with an intense smile? Child out of wedlock? Someone with him with a large hypocritical hand why dont ya. Dude was preaching the good book putting that image out there and he has a baby mama? Wow. Mofos make mistakes, slip but damn practice what you preach is now foreign to him. Take the bible and shove it up your ass Dwight.

I aint got problem with him having a seed. No problem with him having one out of wedlock. But given who he is, what he preached, the image he put out there and the things said? It doesnt add up to this situation. But eh, he can give a good sermon about slipping and falling and now he is getting back up. Crowd will cheer and he can insert that annoying SMILE.

Penny37
01-11-2008, 07:55 PM
A law. Like the Ten Commandments.

The seventh commandment: Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery.

Adultery is not your dictionary.com definition.
But you are right in that adultery here is different from fornication (premarrital sex)
However in the Old Testament Deut. 22:22 says that if you have premarrital sex than you must get married.

In the New Testament, however, Jesus says the following in RESPONSE to the 7th commandment.

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Rameek
01-11-2008, 08:02 PM
Having sex before marriage is called fornication/adultery....

To claim he is any less christian because of this is stupid...

There are no perfect people and people make mistakes and bad choices no matter what religion or non religion you claim.

John 8:2-11
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!

People that are religious no matter the religion or denomination and act holier than though are stupid IMHO!

Rameek
01-11-2008, 08:06 PM
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
:cheers:

HeyIt'sMe
01-11-2008, 09:17 PM
Some of you are complete morons. Does anyone think that Dwight won't be a great father? Ultimately, that's all that matters. He made a mistake within his beliefs, but that is why God is as forgiving as he is... because no one is perfect. I can't wait to see his son in the NBA in 19 years.

reppy
01-11-2008, 09:21 PM
Dwight the same guy who wanted to change Jerry West logo to a cross? Mr. Religious with an intense smile? Child out of wedlock? Someone with him with a large hypocritical hand why dont ya. Dude was preaching the good book putting that image out there and he has a baby mama? Wow. Mofos make mistakes, slip but damn practice what you preach is now foreign to him. Take the bible and shove it up your ass Dwight.

I aint got problem with him having a seed. No problem with him having one out of wedlock. But given who he is, what he preached, the image he put out there and the things said? It doesnt add up to this situation. But eh, he can give a good sermon about slipping and falling and now he is getting back up. Crowd will cheer and he can insert that annoying SMILE.

I'm just glad he wasn't caught trying to have gay sex with a prostitute like a televangelist/politician.

Duck Rodgers
01-11-2008, 10:32 PM
I didn't like Dwight when he first came into the NBA because of all the Jesus talk...but he has progressively become more 'normal' and his personality is engaging enough to where you really can't dislike the guy. I don't recall reading anything recently about him talking about religion at all...which is better to me. Not to mention...he is a ****ing beast on the basketball court.

I don't really care...Dwight is clearly man enough to support it/keep the mom happy....he'll be fine. But I'm with everyone else....it's still worth laughing/making fun of him about because the mother ****er used to be so annoying.

Penny37
01-11-2008, 10:39 PM
Some of you are complete morons. Does anyone think that Dwight won't be a great father? Ultimately, that's all that matters. He made a mistake within his beliefs, but that is why God is as forgiving as he is... because no one is perfect. I can't wait to see his son in the NBA in 19 years.

I'm not sure who you were referring to in your comments, but if I came off in a condescending way I apologize.

We all make mistakes. I think no lesser of Dwight, or judge him.
Hate the sin; not the sinner.

Real Men Wear Green
01-11-2008, 11:09 PM
Uhhh...if you're a Christian, everything in the Bible is the literal word of God, and as such, a commandment.

Na'aph (the word translated as adultery) means sex outside of wedlock, essentially.
That's your translation. I certainly see no evidence of it being universal.

bjtrdff
01-11-2008, 11:24 PM
It seems like a lot of Christians only want to take 'sensible' things like 'the earth is 5000 years old and was blinked into existence and a talking snake started all of our problems' at their exact wording in the bible.

Not 'ridiculous' things like premarrital sex, which makes everyone a sinner.




I for one still have a gigantic man boner for Dwight Howard. And I think that in light of this, the Magic should trade him to Toronto for Rasho and Darrick Martin.


Get rid of that sinner Orlando. Problem solved.

SomeBunghole
01-12-2008, 02:08 AM
That's your translation. I certainly see no evidence of it being universal.

I'm sure your Hebrew is better than mine. Been a long time since Yeshiva for me.

SomeBunghole
01-12-2008, 02:18 AM
I didn't like Dwight when he first came into the NBA because of all the Jesus talk...but he has progressively become more 'normal' and his personality is engaging enough to where you really can't dislike the guy. I don't recall reading anything recently about him talking about religion at all...which is better to me.

Did you miss the Dunk Contest?

Religion is and should be a very private things. If it is, I have no problem with you. If you choose to make your religion a public issue when it suits you, don't be shocked when I decide to keep it a public issue when it doesn't suit you.

And when you so cross that line of common decency and understanding as to suggest that the NBA needs to be a Christian(read Southern Baptist) league, without considering all the Farmars, Abdur-Rahims, Kirilenkos, Gasols, Nashes, and other godless heathens you play with and against on a nightly basis, expect a backlash. If he's trying to make NBA a more Christian league, knocking up random broads is certainly not the way to go. If it was, Shawn Kemp singlehandedly made the league Christian already.

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

AppleNader
01-12-2008, 02:22 AM
Possibly no Dwight in 08? The US frontline is going to need some beefin up...

JtotheIzzo
01-12-2008, 02:23 AM
I remember Dwight wanted to wear a cross on his jersey as a rookie.

Now he is throwing it in cheerleaders bareback, probably couldn't wear rubbers because of church doctorine versus contraception.

oh what a sticky wicket it becomes when religion collides with reality.

just like everything else, hipocracy reigns supreme

eurobum
01-12-2008, 02:32 AM
A few things.

I thought Jesus never once (according to the four gospels) literally said, he was the son of God, but merely called himself the Son of Man, while OTHERS may have referred to him as the Son of God or accusing him of saying such.

Also, yes Jesus was a Jew, but he didn't exactly follow the Torah (Hebrew for "law"). He taught on the Sabbath, taught without permission from the Pharisees (priests, whatever), healed non-Jews, etc. Also, he was quite the rebel amongst the Jewish community commanding his followers not to pay taxes .. all this was not well-liked among the Pharisees.

Even though he considered himself a Jew, he consistently broke the laws of the Torah, because he sort of reinvented it, or reinterpreted it. He said life before laws.

Shepseskaf
01-12-2008, 02:45 AM
oh what a sticky wicket it becomes when religion collides with reality.
She tricked him.

As far as the Jesus debate: his "divinity" was established nearly 400 years after his death, at the Council of Nicea. The matter came down to a church vote, which was actually close, which ended up being in favor of declaring him the "Son of God" so that xtianity could promote itself as being the only true religion. The bible was extensively rewritten (and falsified) to conform to that objective. And the world has been much worse off ever since....

inclinerator
01-12-2008, 03:07 AM
it wasnt dwights child all dwight did was kiss her. poor dwight thought ppl can make babies by kissing

johndough
01-12-2008, 05:39 AM
I agree with what my man said earlier in the thread.He's stupid for becoming some girls meal ticket.

Sharas
01-12-2008, 06:09 AM
Dwight the same guy who wanted to change Jerry West logo to a cross? Mr. Religious with an intense smile? Child out of wedlock? Someone with him with a large hypocritical hand why dont ya. Dude was preaching the good book putting that image out there and he has a baby mama? Wow. Mofos make mistakes, slip but damn practice what you preach is now foreign to him. Take the bible and shove it up your ass Dwight.

I aint got problem with him having a seed. No problem with him having one out of wedlock. But given who he is, what he preached, the image he put out there and the things said? It doesnt add up to this situation. But eh, he can give a good sermon about slipping and falling and now he is getting back up. Crowd will cheer and he can insert that annoying SMILE.

glad that someone explained it...

no one said that nba players shouldn't get laid. but after all the crap he said in the media, "league not being christian enough" and the dunk contest sticker, he has a child with a cheerleader that "wasn't exactly planned"?

what a hypocrite.

BrooklynZoo
01-12-2008, 06:37 AM
man she might have just hit the lotto. shame

ukballer
01-12-2008, 06:40 AM
Everybody has a naughty side to them :oldlol:

Props to Dwight for slaying her I think. :applause:

Even if the son was unplanned, having a child is still a joyful moment, and even if officially your not 'with' the mother, its good that they are still friends and are close.

smith
01-12-2008, 07:44 AM
thats bull...you waitin on someone to write a "new millenium century" version of God's word?:)

No, I'm waiting for people to use theire own heads, but that will never happen, there are some who are too stupid and some who would use this stupidity and some who need something other than theirself to belive in.

iamgine
01-12-2008, 08:07 AM
It is the 'job' of Christians to spread the word as best they can. Of course, Christians make mistakes all the time too just like non-Christians. Doesn't mean the 'job' requirement change after that. :pimp:

Real Men Wear Green
01-12-2008, 08:09 AM
I'm sure your Hebrew is better than mine. Been a long time since Yeshiva for me.
It's not my Hebrew vs. yours, it's your interpretation vs. that of several others. That's a silly reply.

DatDudeD
01-13-2008, 05:33 AM
As long as he is happy and takes care of his child there is no problem. By the way DWIGHT HAS GOOD TASTE..............:rockon:

ForceOfNature
01-13-2008, 11:14 AM
MVP! MVP! MVP! Nice tap, Dwight. :applause:

Lebron23
09-29-2020, 03:08 PM
That kid might be a future first round pick 6 years from now.