Kwame Brown may have just played the worst 2 minutes in NBA history.

[Kblaze8855]

I know there is a game topic but really...

I dont think ive EVER seen anyone **** up that many times in a row. It may be the worst basketball ive ever witnessed on the NBA level.

[AppleNader]

Jeff-mode: "Please describe what happened."

[ryantheporchkid]

He throws the ball away. Next possession he misses dunk. Next misses dunk. Next throws it away. Next misses layup. :roll:

[StroShow4]

that was bad. when he missed the dunk i was laughing, but then when he followed it up with a missed layup and a couple turn overs i just went from laughter to awe, and not in a good way. i love the guy's defense, i always hoped he could get it together on offense, but jesus christ that was bad.

[RedBlackAttack]

:oldlol:

Kwame and Drew Gooden are equal in my 'WTF' count... that is, the amount of times you say 'WTF' about plays that they make during a game/season.

I can't help but to sort of feel for the Laker fans who had invested so much hope into this season after such a great start. I don't see this ending well... (game and season)

[Number2]

I think he summed it up pretty well... basically, missed dunks... About five turn overs... Terrible shot selection... When he got a good shot, he missed it. Just horrible basically. What you'd expect from some guy who'd never played before but watched a lot of games on TV or something.

Not pretty. I feel bad for him. It's almost like Bryant is rubbing it in his face by continuing to give Kwame the ball.

[VCMVP1551]

lol and to think Phil was considering benching Bynum again to play this guy. :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Off the top of my head he missed 2 layups, a dunk, and turned it over at least 2 times and maybe 3 and comitted a foul. But they kept giving him the ball.

I honestly cant remember such a stretch of failure. John Starks in the 94 finals missed a lot but it was stretched out. This was just back to back to back...to back....to back. It was epic.

[Diesel J]

funny stuff:oldlol:

[brwnman]

Now I was wondering a few things after watching that sequence

Why are his teammates passing to him?
Why is Phil going to him?
Why is he so bad?
Do they want him to gain confidence?
Do they think he is Bynum in disguise?

but yes, that may have been the worst basketball played professionally ever...

[Coolaak]

lol yes it was pretty pathetic

[DTD]

What a pathetic display by Kwame. Luke is trying to match him as I write this.

[Noob Saibot]

LA needs Shaq back.

[RedBlackAttack]

Off the top of my head he missed 2 layups, a dunk, and turned it over at least 2 times and maybe 3 and comitted a foul. But they kept giving him the ball.

I honestly cant remember such a stretch of failure. John Starks in the 94 finals missed a lot but it was stretched out. This was just back to back to back...to back....to back. It was epic.
I've seen Drew Gooden have equally bad stretches... maybe not so perfectly sequenced events, though. That seriously may have been the worst 2 minutes I have ever seen by an individual player.

[El Kabong]

Off the top of my head he missed 2 layups, a dunk, and turned it over at least 2 times and maybe 3 and comitted a foul. But they kept giving him the ball.
He's got 7 turnovers so far. And there's still 17 minutes left in the game.

[bk33]

this needs to be youtubed, please.

[BIZARRO]

What a pathetic display by Kwame. Luke is trying to match him as I write this.


Nash just went around him, and Brown just gave the laziest stab in NBA history as well.

He is the biggest bust ever.

[RedBlackAttack]

Now I was wondering a few things after watching that sequence

Why are his teammates passing to him?
Why is Phil going to him?
Why is he so bad?
Do they want him to gain confidence?
Do they think he is Bynum in disguise?

*What was Michael Jordan thinking?

That thought constantly runs through my head when I watch Kwame play.

[brwnman]

Fatigue was really showing there...

[crisoner]

Man....wish we could back in time and kept Butler.

[starface]

Poor guy, he's gettin abused by the crowd. And I actually went to bat for him just the other day saying he wasnt as bad as people were making him out to be and that he'd actually become a reasonable bench player over the last year. So much for that. Thanks kwam

[RedBlackAttack]

Unrelated... Does anyone watch this Tyler Perry nonsense? Does anyone know anyone who watches Tyler Perry?

How is that show still on. I know it is off topic, but it had to be said....

[VCMVP1551]

Atleast Kwame didn't do this. :roll:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_RKVmVmRKQ8

[plowking]

He's got 7 turnovers so far. And there's still 17 minutes left in the game.

Maybe his first triple double? :D

[RedBlackAttack]

What were the chances that Kobe and D'Antoni were laughing at Kwame just then? They replayed them chatting and laughing a moment ago.

[StroShow4]

Atleast Kwame didn't do this. :roll:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_RKVmVmRKQ8

he didnt do this either

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4D9Z1wAwQtM

[brwnman]

Maybe his first triple double? :D

minutes? turnovers? attempted shots?

I supported him too - I feel bad, but I still have hope...

[RedBlackAttack]

Atleast Kwame didn't do this. :roll:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_RKVmVmRKQ8
....or this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOm7dPS0Uw

:oldlol:

[brwnman]

....or this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOm7dPS0Uw

:oldlol:

or this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwRa2j2s6ao&feature=related

this can go on forever, but whatever they did, kwame did worse...

[starface]

Unrelated... Does anyone watch this Tyler Perry nonsense? Does anyone know anyone who watches Tyler Perry?

How is that show still on. I know it is off topic, but it had to be said....

Yeah, i say this half-joking and half serious, but targeting a family show to black people seems to reek of futility. Right?

[StroShow4]

....or this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOm7dPS0Uw

:oldlol:

david >>>>>>>> JJ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwRa2j2s6ao&feature=related

[plowking]

....or this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOm7dPS0Uw

:oldlol:

I only thought that was possible in video games.

[ForceOfNature]

I was going to make a thread about this too, even though there was a game thread. Yeah, Kwame has shown no NBA talent in his life.

[vert48]

Anyone that did not see Kwame Brown's 3rd quarter tonight, and thinks that they understand how bad it was - you don't. This was a string of possessions that were historically bad. If it had stopped half way through, it would have been the worst stretch I have ever seen in 37 years of watching the NBA. Seriously, this will go down in history as the worst stretch ever played in the NBA.

[Qwyjibo]

I don't think anything beats this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzI2kqSrBFk

The warrior cry seals it.

[RedBlackAttack]

Anyone that did not see Kwame Brown's 3rd quarter tonight, and thinks that they understand how bad it was - you don't. This was a string of possessions that were historically bad. If it had stopped half way through, it would have been the worst stretch I have ever seen in 37 years of watching the NBA. Seriously, this will go down in history as the worst stretch ever played in the NBA.
There is still a fourth quarter to play. Kwame's horribleness just made a very uninteresting game interesting. How bad will it get for Kwame? Can he possibly top his myriad of horrible plays in the 3rd?

We shall see... (leave him in, Phil)

[plowking]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O3fWwtB9GJ4&feature=related

Some college ball...

[brwnman]

I don't think anything beats this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzI2kqSrBFk

The warrior cry seals it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hyQA5PeNXU8&feature=related

Qyntel Woods, remember how he was performing good for the knicks when he was there...

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't think anything beats this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzI2kqSrBFk

The warrior cry seals it.
:oldlol:

That was bad. I still think the Wesley layup is the worst play in NBA history, but the way Araujo screams makes that a close second.

[vert48]

I don't think anything beats this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzI2kqSrBFk

The warrior cry seals it.Imagine that, but on about 8 straight possessions. Kwame wishes he had looked that good.

[brwnman]

I really think JJ airball layup is the worst - nobody was around him...

[starface]

The funny thing about this performance being the stuff legends are made of, in a bad way, is that Kwame Brown is like the 4th highest paid player on the court.

It's one thing to say "oh vince carter is so overpaid, he's not worth all that money, etc." or any other player who is clearly worthy of being in the NBA but just doesnt perform up to the expectations of their cap number.

But Kwame is literally being paid NINE MILLION DOLLARS to fumble and stumble around to the bewilderment of a national audience. He's being paid NINE MILLION DOLLARS to play worse than the vast majority of high schoolers. If Carl Marx were alive, THIS GAME would be his centerpiece argument against capitalism.

[RedBlackAttack]

I really think JJ airball layup is the worst - nobody was around him...
Again... very bad. But, he could have thought someone was near him because it came on a set play in the halfcourt. Wesley's layup hit the padding under the backboard on a fast break with no one within 20 feet of him.

[Diesel J]

....or this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvOm7dPS0Uw

:oldlol:

I remember cracking up when I saw that game when he did that:roll:

[vert48]

There is still a fourth quarter to play. Kwame's horribleness just made a very uninteresting game interesting. How bad will it get for Kwame? Can he possibly top his myriad of horrible plays in the 3rd?

We shall see... (leave him in, Phil)I know. Put all of the clips from this thread into a single video, and that was Kwame's 3rd quarter. If you did not see it, you can't possibly understand.

[Showtime]

Funniest part of that was after about 3 bad possessions, he makes a very strong move and gets to the basket, almost with the mentality of "I'm GOING to score right NOW!" and then blows the layup after getting space on the drive.

[bomber]

7 to! why not pull him? Suns are small enough to play turiaf or someone else at 5.

[picc84]

7 to! why not pull him? Suns are small enough to play turiaf or someone else at 5.

Because making points and egotistical zen games are more important to Phil then the outcome of the game.

[SomeBunghole]

7 TOs isn't that bad, it's the 0 assists to go with it. If you're one of your team's main ballhandlers, it's fine to rack up assists, but when you're a guy who gets a touch every 2-3 possessions, that's bad.

[plowking]

Because making points and egotistical zen games are more important to Phil then the outcome of the game.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[picc84]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I know its probably not true, but be a Laker fan for a week and you'll see what I mean. Sometimes it feels that way. Its so frustrating the things he does you could throw him off a roof.

[Loki]

Anyone that did not see Kwame Brown's 3rd quarter tonight, and thinks that they understand how bad it was - you don't. This was a string of possessions that were historically bad. If it had stopped half way through, it would have been the worst stretch I have ever seen in 37 years of watching the NBA. Seriously, this will go down in history as the worst stretch ever played in the NBA.

I completely agree. I was stunned at how bad it was. TO...missed layup...TO...TO....missed dunk...TO...missed dunk. :oldlol:

And it literally was within ~2:00, since Phoenix kept giving it back. They should do a Benny Hill-like skit with that sequence strung together fast-paced with the Benny Hill theme. :oldlol:

It was honestly the worst stretch I've ever seen. Ever. I wanted to cry for him, and when they zoomed in on his face, I fully expected to see tears. I don't know how he didn't just fake an injury to leave the game, really.

[Loki]

7 TOs isn't that bad

It is when it's in the span of 2:30 and coupled with 3-4 missed layups/dunks.

[starface]

i think this game solidifies kwame as a bona fide folk hero

[Loki]

They should do a Benny Hill-like skit with that sequence strung together fast-paced with the Benny Hill theme. :oldlol:


Kblaze, get on this sh!t, stat. :D :oldlol:

[konex]

The guy is ****in dogmeat. I can't believe he's allowed to start..

[RedBlackAttack]

I completely agree. I was stunned at how bad it was. TO...missed layup...TO...TO....missed dunk...TO...missed dunk. :oldlol:

And it literally was within ~2:00, since Phoenix kept giving it back. They should do a Benny Hill-like skit with that sequence strung together fast-paced with the Benny Hill theme. :oldlol:

It was honestly the worst stretch I've ever seen. Ever. I wanted to cry for him, and when they zoomed in on his face, I fully expected to see tears. I don't know how he didn't just fake an injury to leave the game, really.
It wasn't just at the offensive end, either. He had several missed fouls and missed assignments defensively in that 2 minute span.

I honestly felt sorry for the guy. How could you be that bad?

[hotsizzle]

Entire Laker locker room is angry that the fans booed Kwame. radio report

I kinda felt sorry for the dude, got killed from the get go and if you know kwame, he isnt exactly mentally tough. but the dude was a disaster

[RedBlackAttack]

Entire Laker locker room is angry that the fans booed Kwame. radio report

I kinda felt sorry for the dude, got killed from the get go and if you know kwame, he isnt exactly mentally tough. but the dude was a disaster
I do think that the crowd absolutely aided in his terrible play. After the missed dunk, they were relentless. Kwame is historically fragile. I believe the boos may have led to two turnovers.

[statman32]

Why they booed him so much is beyond me. If Lakers fans think that Turief will help them more than Kwame they are sadly mistaken.

[picc84]

The booing was terrible. Not because he didnt deserve it, because he did, but as fans booing your player is NEVER going to help, no matter how much he sucks or deserves it. As much as I hate on Kwame on this board, I would never, ever boo him at a game. That booing actually made me feel sorry for him. The fans just made it worse, sapping his confidence even further.

[mjbulls23]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3488/z32ro5.jpg

[picc84]

Why they booed him so much is beyond me. If Lakers fans think that Turief will help them more than Kwame they are sadly mistaken.

Turiaf played infinitely better tonight.

[konex]

Entire Laker locker room is angry that the fans booed Kwame. radio report



Boo hoo. Maybe he should play better...

[picc84]

The most frustrating thing about Kwame, is that every year he comes in and is the same player. Bynum has improved in every summer more than Kwame has improved in his entire career. During the summer, he's not in the gym early working on his game, Drew is. During the summer, he's not practicing with personal training coaches and going through drills with Cap, but Drew is. We're paying this man 9 million dollars to sit on his ass during the summer and collect a check. He's not even trying to get better. We're talking about the #1 pick in the draft here, traded for Caron Butler.

*sigh*

[Younggrease]

Lakers locker room is reportedly very angry at laker fans for booing Kwame Brown...

[statman32]

Turiaf played infinitely better tonight.
Oh I know this but in the next 8 weeks the Lakers need Kwame more than Turief if they wanna stay in the hunt for a top 4 or 5 seed. Turief gives you great hustle but he cant do most of the things Kwame is CAPABLE of doing.

[hotsizzle]

The most frustrating thing about Kwame, is that every year he comes in and is the same player. Bynum has improved in every summer more than Kwame has improved in his entire career. During the summer, he's not in the gym early working on his game, Drew is. During the summer, he's not practicing with personal training coaches and going through drills with Cap, but Drew is. We're paying this man 9 million dollars to sit on his ass during the summer and collect a check. He's not even trying to get better. We're talking about the #1 pick in the draft here, traded for Caron Butler.

*sigh*

He did admit to taking 50 hook shots for practice:roll:

Have you ever seen anything like this

1st year: 70.7% FT
2nd year: 66.8% FT
3rd: 68.3% FT
4th: 57.4% FT
5th: 54.5%
6th: 44.0%
7th: 43.2%

[Kobe681]

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/115456

[reppy]

They were booing Kwame probably harder than almost anyone I've ever heard in LA.. and it was a Laker player!

[picc84]

Oh I know this but in the next 8 weeks the Lakers need Kwame more than Turief if they wanna stay in the hunt for a top 4 or 5 seed. Turief gives you great hustle but he cant do most of the things Kwame is CAPABLE of doing.

*sigh*

Ok. I dont even want to argue anymore.

Good game.

[link]

The booing was terrible. Not because he didnt deserve it, because he did, but as fans booing your player is NEVER going to help, no matter how much he sucks or deserves it. As much as I hate on Kwame on this board, I would never, ever boo him at a game. That booing actually made me feel sorry for him. The fans just made it worse, sapping his confidence even further.

The guy's a grown man, a millionaire professional. He just needs to grow some and take the boos if he sucks on the court. You would think it would motivate the guy to bust his butt and improve.

[Showtime]

Did anybody see early on in the game when Brown caught the ball near the sideline just outside the paint, and as soon as Amare saw that he caught the ball, he turned around to box out for the rebound instead of contesting, before Brown even got the shot off? Hilarious.

[mjbulls23]

Imagine if Kwame played for the Knicks.... NYC would tear him apart

[link]

He did admit to taking 50 hook shots for practice:roll:

Have you ever seen anything like this

1st year: 70.7% FT
2nd year: 66.8% FT
3rd: 68.3% FT
4th: 57.4% FT
5th: 54.5%
6th: 44.0%
7th: 43.2%

At the very least, the man is consistent. Lakers know exactly what they're getting every year.

[statman32]

*sigh*

Ok. I dont even want to argue anymore.

Good game.
:oldlol:

Have a little hope. Although I have no idea why I have been backing Kwame lately. Might end up being a bad decesion on my part.

[RIMMER]

They traded CARON BUTLER + another PG for this guy. :roll:

[amfirst]

Naw, Kobe was forcing these guys to step up, he knew he couldn't win alone. They have to grow up at some point and not depend on Kobe to bail them out everytime.

It like someone teaches u something, u'll just have to do it until u get it right, and I think this is what Kobe was doing to Luke and Kwame.

[starface]

Imagine if Kwame played for the Knicks.... NYC would tear him apart

At least he was hustling back after every play. And some of his turnovers were caused by him actually attempting to share the ball. That's more than you can say for Zach Randolph.

[picc84]

:oldlol:

Have a little hope. Although I have no idea why I have been backing Kwame lately. Might end up being a bad decesion on my part.

Bad decision? For who?

Him playing for a division rival is the best thing to happen to the Suns since the Nash signing. If he was playing for you guys i'd be his #1 supporter.

[kobesabi]

I know there is a game topic but really...

I dont think ive EVER seen anyone **** up that many times in a row. It may be the worst basketball ive ever witnessed on the NBA level.
I think Phil was showcasing him

[mjbulls23]

At least he was hustling back after every play. And some of his turnovers were caused by him actually attempting to share the ball. That's more than you can say for Zach Randolph.

or Eddy Curry..... but Kwame wouldn't get a warm reception at MSG..... If you play bad in NY, they will let you know....

[Frank Foley]

Oh I know this but in the next 8 weeks the Lakers need Kwame more than Turief if they wanna stay in the hunt for a top 4 or 5 seed. Turief gives you great hustle but he cant do most of the things Kwame is CAPABLE of doing.

That was a knockout blow.

You're effectively saying "Cheer up Lakers fans, at least you can find solace in the fact that, for the next 8 weeks, all your playoff hopes and dreams will rest squarely in Kwame Brown's lubricated, made-of-stone hands!"

Do you have any idea how soul-crushing that is? Do you understand that that robs even the most optimistic fan of even the slightest glimmer of hope? Can you fathom how many people you just sent jumping off of the Staples Center roof with that true-but-reprehensibly-cruel analysis?

Bad form, dude.

[picc84]

3rd quarter:

11:40 - Kwame shooting foul (3)
11:22 - Kwame turnover (4)
10:32 - Kwame FTs , 2-2 Missed
10:04 - Kwame Traveling Turnover (5)
9:37 - Kwame Dunk Attempt: Missed
9:10 - Kwame Turnover (6)
8:19 - Kwame Layup Shot: Missed
7:52 - Kwame Turnover (7)
7:17 - Kwame Shooting Foul (4)

[LongBeachLakers]

3rd quarter:

11:40 - Kwame shooting foul (3)
11:22 - Kwame turnover (4)
10:32 - Kwame FTs , 2-2 Missed
10:04 - Kwame Traveling Turnover (5)
9:37 - Kwame Dunk Attempt: Missed
9:10 - Kwame Turnover (6)
8:19 - Kwame Layup Shot: Missed
7:52 - Kwame Turnover (7)
7:17 - Kwame Shooting Foul (4)


yeah he sucks... but A for effort... that's the best he can do... so dont expect more...

[Younggrease]

What happened to the Kwame that could catch the ball..

NBA Comparison: Kevin Garnett

Strengths: Like Garnett, KB has freakish athleticism. Already bulkier than Garnett and could turn into more of a Webber type post player. Very graceful running the floor. Tremendous leaping aility. Passes and handles extraordinarily well for a 6-11 player. May still be growing. Touch on shots is excellent, and should only improve. Post game is solid. Very good shot blocker.

Weaknesses: Inconsistency. Like any 18 year old coming straight to the league will take his lumps and see plenty of pine. Some have questions about his competiveness.

how could they be so wrong..at least they got the bolded part right..

here is some more


Positives: The most gifted player in the draft, Brown is a great athlete with exceptional basketball skills. He can handle the ball like a guard and has a good-looking stroke from 15 to 17 feet. Brown also has good floor vision and passes extremely well. Brown is currently at his best when he faces up and takes people off the dribble using an excellent crossover dribble. Defensively, Brown is a devastating shotblocker with superb leaping ability, timing and reach. Because of his combination of size, strength and skill, Brown is often compared to Chris Webber and Kevin Garnett. At this point, Brown has a much more NBA-ready physique than Garnett had coming out of high school.

Negatives: Unfortunately, Brown does not enjoy posting up offensively and takes far too many three-pointers. Despite Garnett-level skills, Brown has yet to demonstrate the burning competitiveness that Garnett exhibited at the same stage of development.

Prognosis: Perhaps the best way to describe Kwame Brown is to say that he has the frame and physical skills of an Antonio McDyess and the basketball skills of a young Danny Manning. Brown could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game. Peak Projection: 22 ppg 10 rpg 4 apg 2.5 bpg


can someone show me come high school Kwame because I need to see how such big mistakes were made

[picc84]

yeah he sucks... but A for effort... that's the best he can do... so dont expect more...

I think i've made it quite clear that I don't.

[statman32]

What happened to the Kwame that could catch the ball..


how could they be so wrong..at least they got the bolded part right..
The jokes on you if you actually take anything nbadraft.net writes seriously. :hammerhead:

[kobesabi]

He did admit to taking 50 hook shots for practice:roll:

Have you ever seen anything like this

1st year: 70.7% FT
2nd year: 66.8% FT
3rd: 68.3% FT
4th: 57.4% FT
5th: 54.5%
6th: 44.0%
7th: 43.2%
Wow, 70% for his first years...wow. That's a shocker

[Younggrease]

The jokes on you if you actually take anything nbadraft.net writes seriously. :hammerhead:

check any scouting report out there at the time...Kwame was the consensus #1 pick...people were raving about him.. I wanna see some tape of this guy because its seems impossible you can just get that much worst without serious injury.

[mjbulls23]

check any scouting report out there at the time...Kwame was the consensus #1 pick...people were raving about him.. I wanna see some tape of this guy because its seems impossible you can just get that much worst without serious injury.

MJ ripped him apart mentally in Washington and he just never recovered....... It's his mindset..... Off of pure physical talent (minus his hands) he could be a 20-10 all star every year, but his mind is holding him back.......

[RIMMER]

MJ ripped him apart mentally in Washington and he just never recovered....... It's his mindset..... Off of pure physical talent (minus his hands) he could be a 20-10 all star every year, but his mind is holding him back.......

Kwame, 20-10 all star? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[mjbulls23]

Kwame, 20-10 all star? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

ok maybe I forced it a bit :oldlol: :oldlol:

but he would be much better than what he is now....

[Younggrease]

MJ ripped him apart mentally in Washington and he just never recovered....... It's his mindset..... Off of pure physical talent (minus his hands) he could be a 20-10 all star every year, but his mind is holding him back.......

its hard to score 20 points a game when you can catch the ball...I mean what happened to the "elite touch" these scouts mentions... You dont just lose natural talent... I wanna see tapes of Kwame before Jordan tampered with him...I wanna know how this went so wrong..

[mjbulls23]

its hard to score 20 points a game when you can catch the ball...I mean what happened to the "elite touch" these scouts mentions... You dont just lose natural talent... I wanna see tapes of Kwame before Jordan tampered with him...I wanna know how this went so wrong..

well I guess HS would be the tapes we are looking for.... but that would be inaccurate since HS is very different from the NBA...But I found this in an old article

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/050505&num=0



The NBA is a man's game and after watching Kwame Brown "un-man" Tyson Chandler in a one-on-one workout prior to that 2001 draft, Michael Jordan was sure that he had his man. And with the first first pick the Bullets have ever had, they picked him. No questions asked, history was being made.



http://www.dotandcom.com/kwame_animated.gif
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[hotsizzle]

An old insightful article on Kwame written after his rookie year:

Some interesting parts:


Brown has been lectured and scolded and instructed, advised. And, perhaps, warped. The voices have overwhelmed him. They run together, all of them telling him what is best for him. "Most people," he says, "are wrong." He is still young enough to have a faintly wounded set to his jaw, and a reflexive honesty as he considers a rookie season that, until the very end, was a public humiliation. "There's a part of me that questions, when your confidence drops like mine did, are you a good ballplayer and do you deserve to be here, or what?" he says. "You're just scared. Scared to do anything."


He fooled them. The Wizards' youngest player only looked fully formed. The problem was Brown's deceptive physique; he seemed so ready-made. He was beautiful, they all agreed, your eye couldn't help but go to him, in everything he did, just picking up the ball. He was lightning quick for a big man, and he could handle the ball, which meant he could make a play the length of the floor. "Skills people dream about," Collins says. When he worked out against fellow high schooler Tyson Chandler, he had no conscience whatsoever, which was what they liked most; he was reckless and unschooled and he decimated Chandler in one on one, and oh, they'd seen things like this before, hadn't they, and what it was, well, it was the real thing.

And he seemed so level-headed, smart and self-assured. "If you draft me, I'll never disappoint you," he told Jordan.



Collins was increasingly aghast at what Brown didn't know. There were so many simple things he had to learn: when to lob, when to throw a chest pass, when to throw a bounce pass. Things kids who've gone to basketball camps and colleges already know. Like footwork. "He was like a guy who wants to go into high finance, and he only took a couple of classes," says Wizards forward Popeye Jones.

How was Brown supposed to learn the plays, and the options off the plays, when he didn't even know proper positioning? "Forget on the NBA level," Collins says. "We're talking just basketball."


Brown would just stare back, seemingly uncomprehending. "Kwame, you're never in a proper position if you aren't in a position to help. You're the last line of defense." He would seem to ignore the simplest directions. Collins would say, "Watch out for the lob, watch out for the lob!" Ten seconds later, a lob would go over his head.

"I wish you would stop correcting me and just let me play," he implored Collins one day.

"Kwame, you don't know how to play," Collins said.

rest is here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800709.html

[Kblaze8855]

"I thought it was terrible," said Kobe Bryant, who led the Lakers with 30 points and seven rebounds. "If they want to do that, they can stay home. He's going to be our guy here for two months. He's going to do fine, he's going to play well the next game.

"Kwame's sensitive. You boo him, it's going to affect him. I told him I've got his back."


Kobe isnt really helping by calling him "sensitive".

One of those [Marge Simpson]Its true....but he shouldnt say it.[/Marge Simpson] situations.

[starface]

maybe kwame just has ADD like chris kaman

wait, i'm sorry, "not ADD" like chris kaman

[WoGiTaLiA1]

Kwame is a massive disappointment. It is unreal how much worse he has got as a player since he was a rookie. I mean he basically doesn't do anything as well as he did then, to me thats a guy who has either been playing through some big injuries and not let anyone know(seems very unlikely) or is just mentally absent. He just seems so pathetic it's really kind of sad.

He really could have been a special player if he had wanted. Clearly he didnt. I'm not sure if him or Darko is more pathetic, but both are. The difference I think is that I actually expected something out of Kwame, Darko not so much.

[tmacs1sleepyeye]

He's got such tiny little hands...

[RedBlackAttack]

3rd quarter:

11:40 - Kwame shooting foul (3)
11:22 - Kwame turnover (4)
10:32 - Kwame FTs , 2-2 Missed
10:04 - Kwame Traveling Turnover (5)
9:37 - Kwame Dunk Attempt: Missed
9:10 - Kwame Turnover (6)
8:19 - Kwame Layup Shot: Missed
7:52 - Kwame Turnover (7)
7:17 - Kwame Shooting Foul (4)
You are also not logging the SEVERAL plays in that span where he was completely lost on defense, leaving Diaw wide open for easy jumpers. But, I don't want to pile on the guy...

[3stat2]

I am starting to feel sorry for the guy. Before it was funny, he's basically a walking definition of the word scrub - but he's still a human being and he's getting absolutely destroyed by Laker fans. Understandable though.

I remember some article ages ago about why Kwame couldn't catch for crap. It's how his hands are physically - short fingers and a large palm. They compared him to Amare, who could catch pretty much anything - and Amare had much larger fingers, with a relatively small palm. I think that's got a lot to do with it (of course, coordination and reaction speed also count for a tonne), and it makes sense - big hands are an advantage in basketball. You can move your fingers to guide the ball - but your palm is sort of fixed.

So if you want a really crude analogy - catching an NBA level high-speed pass with Kwame's hands is effectively like trying to catch a cricket ball with ping pong rackets.

[trig]

if only kwame can do this regularly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEvrcEpf4l8

[Hotlantadude81]

Unrelated... Does anyone watch this Tyler Perry nonsense? Does anyone know anyone who watches Tyler Perry?

How is that show still on. I know it is off topic, but it had to be said....

It appears black women watch his movies because they show a positive image about black people. That's what I've heard some say on other message boards. Personally, I think maybe the guy is just cashing in like all the other guys that make bad movies like One Missed Call, Bad Boys etc....

[Gad23]

anyway i read a MJ biography book and there was this section where kwame scored on MJ during practice or something then taunted him. MJ took him 1 on 1 and completely destroyed him. MJ then said something like I'm your facking daddy!

Small hands is a lame excuse. Couldnt he improve his feel for the ball?

[trig]

yeah small hands is a lame excuse. I'm sure there are guys in the nba that has smaller hands than him. Chandler also had problems with catching the ball but improved on it every season.

imagine if the kidd to lakers pushed through last season, kidd will have migraines every game bec of kwame and kwame will have migraines bec of the no look bullet pass that will hit his head

[3stat2]

For people who can't read, no one said it's purely because of his small hands. He has decent sized hands, but he has large palms and relatively short fingers on those hands. Hence he physically has less control. If you think that doesn't affect him at all, I'm not going to try turning around an irrational mind.

Besides, that's not the only factor (as I mentioned). He's had the confidence kicked out of him, and he seems really uncoordinated. Plus he just seems to have brain farts most of the time he gets the ball. The only way I've seen him scoring much in a game is when his teammates give him extremely easy passes for uncontested dunks or layups. Though tonight even those uncontested easy shots weren't enough :)

[Loki]

He was terrible last night (beyond words during that stretch, really), but I will say this:

Later on in the quarter, he made one of the quickest moves I've ever seen from a big man. Ever. He turned, faced, and drove right. Missed the layup, but it was lightning quick -- I didn't think someone his size could cover ground that fast. I was shocked. Anyone else remember this play?

[Optimus Prime]

Thanks Kupcake! :banana:

[gb8]

He was terrible last night (beyond words during that stretch, really), but I will say this:

Later on in the quarter, he made one of the quickest moves I've ever seen from a big man. Ever. He turned, faced, and drove right. Missed the layup, but it was lightning quick -- I didn't think someone his size could cover ground that fast. I was shocked. Anyone else remember this play?
Step away from the tv screen loki dont let kwame fool you like he fololed mj with his speed and handles and great physicality.

[Gad23]

we need a youtube video. over here i get only 2 games a week. anyway i hope he makes it big. the article posted earlier gave a good insight about him. but it seems he doesnt have a work ethic.

maybe its stems from he being so 'dominant' at the high school level. another reason for the david stern 1 year rule. im sure he would be exposed at the college level.

[NotWorthy]

But Kwame is literally being paid NINE MILLION DOLLARS to fumble and stumble around to the bewilderment of a national audience. He's being paid NINE MILLION DOLLARS to play worse than the vast majority of high schoolers. If Carl Marx were alive, THIS GAME would be his centerpiece argument against capitalism.

Actually the nine million bucks is to a certain extent the result of organized labor, so it might be a wash as far as Marx is concerned:)

[NotWorthy]

The booing was terrible. Not because he didnt deserve it, because he did, but as fans booing your player is NEVER going to help, no matter how much he sucks or deserves it. As much as I hate on Kwame on this board, I would never, ever boo him at a game. That booing actually made me feel sorry for him. The fans just made it worse, sapping his confidence even further.

Hopefully the lakers have a lot of road games in the next 8 weeks because Kwame is going to be afraid to play at home again, and the lakers don't got anyone else.

[vert48]

He was terrible last night (beyond words during that stretch, really), but I will say this:

Later on in the quarter, he made one of the quickest moves I've ever seen from a big man. Ever. He turned, faced, and drove right. Missed the layup, but it was lightning quick -- I didn't think someone his size could cover ground that fast. I was shocked. Anyone else remember this play?He does stuff like that all the time. He is REALLY quick, but cannot hold onto the ball. He needs to spend his entire off season working on catching the ball. Nothing else matters for him.

[Chuck Thou NBA]

As much as you may hate the guy, he is getting paid to suck. And quite frankly, that's gets me upset.

[Rab]

WTF was Phil thinking leaving him in there that long? I know he likes players to play through struggles, but that was beyond a struggle. My goodness. I think the Suns must've paid him under the table to mess up the game.

[Gad23]

nah, its the lakers that pay him 9 million a year to mess up games all the time.

[Chrono90]

theres a youtube!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdtM86aJak

[KingJay718]

Small hands sucks.

[Lakers]

The most frustrating thing about Kwame, is that every year he comes in and is the same player. Bynum has improved in every summer more than Kwame has improved in his entire career. During the summer, he's not in the gym early working on his game, Drew is. During the summer, he's not practicing with personal training coaches and going through drills with Cap, but Drew is. We're paying this man 9 million dollars to sit on his ass during the summer and collect a check. He's not even trying to get better. We're talking about the #1 pick in the draft here, traded for Caron Butler.



In all fairness Kwame did work out heavily in the gym on his body until last year's injury. Dude was ripped to the core for years. Now the only thing he had working for him, his NBA body and athleticism is mostly gone. I mean he had one of the quickest first steps among any of the big men in the game. I'm wondering if he got fat because of inactivity that was mandated by a doctor, or if Kwame just done give up.

Kwame has small fingers for his size but he can still easily palm the ball, so there is only so much you can put the blame there.

[Showtime]

Small hands sucks.
He doesn't have small hands, and he doesn't suck because of it. I have a HQ clip of him from last night, where he lost his dribble, and his hands are fine. There's a difference between small hands, and bad hands. He just doesn't have the coordination to handle the ball.

[Allstar24]

Man...that was just painful to watch.:banghead: Kwame Brown is officially the worst player in the league. I wish Bynum wasn't hurt and I wish Kwame didn't play for us. But I'm with Kobe, it was wrong of the fans to boo Kwame like that, it clearly didn't help because he just got worse.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Why they booed him so much is beyond me. If Lakers fans think that Turief will help them more than Kwame they are sadly mistaken.\

I could help the Lakers more than sorry a$$ Kwame what in the world are you talking about. Since you seem to like him so much the Suns can have him. Who are you willing to give up for him?

[Laker4Lyfe]

Man...that was just painful to watch.:banghead: Kwame Brown is officially the worst player in the league. I wish Bynum wasn't hurt and I wish Kwame didn't play for us. But I'm with Kobe, it was wrong of the fans to boo Kwame like that, it clearly didn't help because he just got worse.

Sorry but if I had been at Staples I would have booed his a$$ too.

[bbplaya21]

In related news...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Lakers-Brown-voted-player-who-does-least-with-m;_ylt=AlpDikPimr.T1b4YzbomRbGkvLYF?urn=nba,62425

[picc84]

In all fairness Kwame did work out heavily in the gym on his body until last year's injury.

So the **** what?

[Lakers]

So the **** what?

Your post hinted at his laziness in his past. I just pointed out that that was not entirely the case until possibly this year.

[picc84]

Any meathead can go in the gym and lift weights nonstop. Weightlifting isnt going to make him finish layups or develop a hookshot. Obviously Kevin Garnett isnt in any weightrooms but he works religiously on his game and he's one of the most unstoppable post scorers in the league. You think its cool to pay Kwame 9 mil a year to WORK OUT?

Wikipedia:


During the first round of the 2005 playoffs, in which they played against the Chicago Bulls, the Wizards played a video before their first game of the series, in which Arenas instructed the fans not to boo Brown when he entered the game.

When you're getting chronically boo'd by your own crowd, it should motivate you to do something about yourself to stop it, right? But no, Kwame thinks "I'll show them - i'll work out this summer and get huge!". That doesn't help him finish layups. It doesn't help him make dunks.

I'm so sick of people making excuses for this guy. Its disgusting.

[Kobe24]

I kinda feel bad for Kwame. I overreacted yesterday, I said he deserves it which now I know that he doesn't. He was obviously busting his ass yesterday, it's not like he didn't want to try/score, just a bad night, even for Kwame. Also booing Kwame won't help the team AT ALL, Kwame doesn't get better if he gets booed, dude is SENSITIVE like Kobe said. Not everyone can take this as motivation, for god sakes, he left from the locker room as fast as he could, didn't want to talk to reporters. The problem with Kwame is that he just sucks. He has moves, like Loki said, he had some of the fastest moves a big man has ever done but his hands are ****ing bricks, no soft touch and a brain size of a peanut. " Uhh should I take this 13 footer, I'm open, what do I do?" He waits 5 seconds for the defender to come and shoots a brick. DJ Mbenga please.

[RainierBeachPoet]

MJ ripped him apart mentally in Washington and he just never recovered....... It's his mindset..... Off of pure physical talent (minus his hands) he could be a 20-10 all star every year, but his mind is holding him back.......
this is true

i watched that 3rd qtr stretch and i am hard pressed to remember a worse performance although i think that chris dudley once picked up 5 fouls in a three minute period that was pretty pathetic

the thing about kwame was his errors came in a variety of ways plus his own crowd was booing mercilessly. i felt really bad for the guy and anger at the ignorant laker fans that would boo their own guy

[crisoner]

I think we are being real hard on him.

Yeah....he played bad.....real, real, real bad. But come on....booing him won't do any good in his case. He looked more lost and flustered out there more then anything.

We got to look at the facts....

- He hasn't played much with the first string this year.
- He is coming off an injury himself.

It will take time for him you know. I'm not saying he will replace everything Bynum meant but we need to give him some time....I say two more games sh*t.


But any how....GO LAKES!!!!!!!

[Kobe24]

the thing about kwame was his errors came in a variety of ways plus his own crowd was booing mercilessly. i felt really bad for the guy and anger at the ignorant laker fans that would boo their own guy

I think it was ignorant too but you got to understand, fans pay good money and they don't want to see Kwame miss wide opens dunks and dribble off his foot. Also the booing wasn't a product of that one game, the fans were just frustrated from watching Kwame the past 3 years?

[crisoner]

I think it was ignorant too but you got to understand, fans pay good money and they don't want to see Kwame miss wide opens dunks and dribble off his foot. Also the booing wasn't a product of that one game, the fans were just frustrated from watching Kwame the past 3 years?

True....

But if they would see the over all picture with Bynum being out etc. Brown is are only hope as of right now....so to bruise his confidence when we really need him to perform well just hurts our team.

[crisoner]

http://www.podcastingnews.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/leave-britney-alone-guy.jpg

LEAVE KWAME BROWN ALONE!!!!!!

[LongBeachLakers]

Laker fans should applaud everytime Kwame touches the ball next home game to help boost his confidence and show support...

[LongBeachLakers]

i wonder how it feels to know that so many people hates you.

[Lakers]

Any meathead can go in the gym and lift weights nonstop. Weightlifting isnt going to make him finish layups or develop a hookshot. Obviously Kevin Garnett isnt in any weightrooms but he works religiously on his game and he's one of the most unstoppable post scorers in the league. You think its cool to pay Kwame 9 mil a year to WORK OUT?



I'm so sick of people making excuses for this guy. Its disgusting.

Say what? He doesn't have bulk but I guarantee KG most definitely hits the weight room very hard. If hitting the gym and lifting weights non-stop is something any meat-head can do, then it's amazing more big men can't find the time to do it. Look my point was that Kwame has enough real problems going on without people piling on where it's not really validated. No excuses, obviously Kwame's days in not just a Laker uniform, but the NBA itself are very limited.

[konex]

Kwame can cry me a frikken river. He's the 3rd highest player on the team and he deserves to get booed when he's just KILLING them with his craptastic play.

The sooner he's out of the starting lineup, the better. Bring on Mbenga for defense/boards and let Kobe and Lamar carry the offense.

ps: Luke will start getting booed off the court soon if he's not careful. How the hell did the Lakers make the playoffs twice with Kwame, Smush and Luke starting? lol

[Lakers]

ps: Luke will start getting booed off the court soon if he's not careful.

When Luke does good it sounds like "BOOOOO!" anyway. If this boo crap does become chronic it's going to get real tiresome, real quick. Every player might end up getting boo'd at some point except for Bynum and Farmar because of their consistency, hustle, and the fact that people will allow them to make mistakes because of their youth.

[brwnman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cZB9O_LkE&feature=related

DF...

[Kblaze8855]

I feel like this is an appropriate time to bring back some prime Kwame discussions.

[ImKobe]

Crazy how Kobe kept the '08 team at an above 50-win pace before the Gasol trade.

[Kblaze8855]

The game in question. All of it is bad but it gets out of hand after about 5 minutes.



https://youtu.be/mwWMD_jVOg8

[TheCorporation]

Off the top of my head he missed 2 layups, a dunk, and turned it over at least 2 times and maybe 3 and comitted a foul. But they kept giving him the ball.

I honestly cant remember such a stretch of failure. John Starks in the 94 finals missed a lot but it was stretched out. This was just back to back to back...to back....to back. It was epic.

John Starks and Kwame Brown

:lebronamazed:

[bison]

The game in question. All of it is bad but it gets out of hand after about 5 minutes.



https://youtu.be/mwWMD_jVOg8

Phil Jackson is savage for not taking him out.

[BarberSchool]

The game in question. All of it is bad but it gets out of hand after about 5 minutes.



https://youtu.be/mwWMD_jVOg8Haters ball champion 2021, kblaze!
I appreciate ya !

[GOBB]

I feel like this is an appropriate time to bring back some prime Kwame discussions.

Be careful before Kwame opens up a can of whip ass on u

[Kblaze8855]

I’m awaiting the footage, but what I’m reading suggests that Marcus Smart may have topped Kwame for the worst sequence in NBA history tonight.