Derrick Rose ....Dwyane Wade with a jumpshot?!?

[kumquat]

I can't wait for this kid to hit the NBA, he's a flat out baller. To me he's going to be one of those guys who's game translates better to the NBA rather than college. I'm gonna be be a bandwagon fan of whoever gets him. Dwyane Wade with a jumper.....get ready for it ppls.

[ukballer]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA :rockon: Most well known mix for D-Rose.

[statman32]

I can't wait for this kid to hit the NBA, he's a flat out baller. To me he's going to be one of those guys who's game translates better to the NBA rather than college. I'm gonna be be a bandwagon fan of whoever gets him. Dwyane Wade with a jumper.....get ready for it ppls.
*Prays that the New York Knicks draft Derrick Rose*

:oldlol:

[kumquat]

I'll laugh my ass off if NY drafts beasley or mayo, those two are just candidates for Isiahs master plan.

[glidedrxlr22]

Actually Wade's jumper is better. Rose needs to work on his. I've read that his release is inconsistent.

From his profile:

Weaknesses: Mechanics on his shot are not fluid, so he may need to adjust it some as he sort of slings the ball from his shoulder, though his shot has shown steady improvement

[adamcz]

I love that there's always some hot prospect to help us fans of terrible teams get through the season. Oden and Durant were a great help last year, and it seems Rose can fill that role once the trade deadline passes this year, and all hope is lost.

[kumquat]

[quote=glidedrxlr22]Actually Wade's jumper is better. Rose needs to work on his. I've read that his release is inconsistent.

From his profile:

Weaknesses: Mechanics on his shot are not fluid, so he may need to adjust it some as he sort of slings the ball from his shoulder, though his shot has shown steady improvement

[ukballer]

Rose is a much more natural point guard than Wade.

Rose is a streaky shooter, but if he isn't hitting his shots then it's not really a problem, seeing as he is a pass first point guard more than anything.

His athleticism is fantastic as well. He has nearly everything but the jumpshot. Get him with a good shooting coach and regular practice, and he WILL be an all-star. :)

Can't wait to see him at the NBA level. Sorry Knicks fans but I hope he doesn't go to there. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to Seattle with Durant, or even Miami, as long him and Wade can co-exist, which I don't think would be a problem.

EDIT: Just read that Derrick is 2 days younger than me, wow!

[kumquat]

I love that there's always some hot prospect to help us fans of terrible teams get through the season. Oden and Durant were a great help last year, and it seems Rose can fill that role once the trade deadline passes this year, and all hope is lost.

Gotta say Mr Cz, I have a soft spot in my heart for the bucks and it sucks they're not doing too well this year. I was a skeptic of Yi at first, but it looks like he's a player. I don't know what they can do to their lineup that will translate to wins, but in any case, if they're in the lotto I will be rooting for them to get D.Rose.

[kumquat]

Can't wait to see him at the NBA level. Sorry Knicks fans but I hope he doesn't go to there. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to Seattle with Durant, or even Miami, as long him and Wade can co-exist, which I don't think would be a problem.

Seattle would be a nice spot for him. Miami, that would be too crazy, Wade+Wade Jr on the same team. That would rock my balls off.

[rzp]

Rose and Wade will be on the same team next year anyway :banana:

[PK3434]

Wade has a much better jumpshot than Rose...but Rose will make an excellent NBA player eventually...he has so many physical gifts and a lot of room for improvement.

[kumquat]

Wade has a much better jumpshot than Rose...but Rose will make an excellent NBA player eventually...he has so many physical gifts and a lot of room for improvement.

Really, you think wade has a better jumpshot than Rose? Wade just looks like he tosses it up there and hopes. Rose looks like he has at least a bit of cognition to his shot.

[glidedrxlr22]

Really, you think wade has a better jumpshot than Rose? Wade just looks like he tosses it up there and hopes. Rose looks like he has at least a bit of cognition to his shot.

I agree with PK on this one. When I watch Wade shoot, I always feel like it's going in....if he's not past the 3 point stripe.

Rose is shooting 48% on FGs and 37% on 3s. I think that translates into about 40-42% on FGs and 30% on 3s in the pros.

The college player I'm really impressed with is Eric Gordon. Now that guy can flat out shoot. Many times he'll take pro distance 3s and nail them with ease.

[bigboj55555]

I am a knicks fan and i really hope he does come to Ny.cause him coming to ny would mean a rebuilding of the franchise .Isaiah will be fired and a competent gm will build a great team around the small pieces we do have ship the crap out

[kumquat]

The college player I'm really impressed with is Eric Gordon. Now that guy can flat out shoot. Many times he'll take pro distance 3s and nail them with ease.

Eric Gordon to me, will be the Ray Allen of the upcoming draft, very underrated.

[Raindrops]

Eric Gordon to me, will be the Ray Allen of the upcoming draft, very underrated.

He is rated just fine. He has been projected as a top 5 pick, not bad for a 6'2'' shooting guard with no passing skills.

[kumquat]

Who needs passing skills when you can shoot like that mofo. I have to add rayray=underated.... dude knows how to ball flat out.

[FireMcFailPlease]

His jumper is the worst out of the top 5 pg's in the country

[kumquat]

His jumper is the worst out of the top 5 pg's in the country

fugg ooutaa here, Minne would be the perfect place for him.

[Da KO King]

The over-rating of Derrick Rose continues.

[glidedrxlr22]

fugg ooutaa here, Minne would be the perfect place for him.

What happens then to Randy Foye?

[FireMcFailPlease]

fugg ooutaa here, Minne would be the perfect place for him.
LOL, its ugly.


We already have a terrible shooter in Brewer.

[loot]

like i said...wade doesn't have a jump shot??

[dirkdiggler41]

Wade has become one hell of a jumpshooter since his injury. He was at LeBrons level when it came to shooting, but just like Jordan he developed a great jumpshoot, but still not at MJ level. According to 82games Wade is shooting 44 efg % on jumpshoots. 12points of his points comes from there.

[loot]

Well last year he was shooting quite nicely too, but still didnt use it often. Even in the playoffs 2 years ago he shot ok. People were still knocking him for his shooting and range earlier this season.

But now: 11/24 in 3 games so far. 37% since AS game from 3.

[plowking]

Well last year he was shooting quite nicely too, but still didnt use it often. Even in the playoffs 2 years ago he shot ok. People were still knocking him for his shooting and range earlier this season.

But now: 11/24 in 3 games so far. 37% since AS game from 3.

Can we expect Wade to be a 35% 3pt shooter next season? We've seen short burst where he goes 40% over 3 or 4 games before this season. Though now that he's pulling this off reguarly and over longer streaks, is it safe or reasonable to say he will be a 35% shooter from now on from 3?

[loot]

would be nice. if he reaches that 35% i would probably mean less close games and more better shooters/scorers around him. he's been taking a lot of contested shots around the end of the shot clock and bail out shots too, which bring down his %. everytime the clock winds down the ball will be in the hands of wade, even if a long range shot is needed. which will be miami's downfall

[indiefan23]

I can't wait for this kid to hit the NBA, he's a flat out baller. To me he's going to be one of those guys who's game translates better to the NBA rather than college. I'm gonna be be a bandwagon fan of whoever gets him. Dwyane Wade with a jumper.....get ready for it ppls.

Umm... Wade's jumper is fine and killer. He doesn't jack 3's if thats what you mean but its a good thing.

[C-Webb4]

LOL, its ugly.


We already have a terrible shooter in Brewer.
:oldlol: Yeah. Good thing Minnesota didn't get that guy.

[LosBulls]

:oldlol: Yeah. Good thing Minnesota didn't get that guy.
LOL!!!

Also OPs predictions are spot on..wow.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

OP is :bowdown:

[Glide2keva]

*Prays that the New York Knicks draft Derrick Rose*

:oldlol:
So sad.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

D-Rose isn't quite D-Wade yet, but OP's predictions will be spot on after a year or 2.

[Papaya Petee]

D-Wade is still easily better then Rose.

[cavsfanatic]

D-Wade is still easily better then Rose.
Yup not even close

[PP34Deuce]

With ROse, I see a guy who can be a better PG than Wade is. He does give you similar to things to Wade, crazy shotblocker at 6'3, highlight plays...

[cavsfanatic]

With ROse, I see a guy who can be a better PG than Wade is. He does give you similar to things to Wade, crazy shotblocker at 6'3, highlight plays...
Wade is not a pg.

[STR8OUTACHICAGO]

D-Wade is still easily better then Rose.

You're not going to say that when their careers are over.

[christian1923]

Yup not even close

How is it not close??? lol :confusedshrug:

[Ikill]

How is it not close??? lol :confusedshrug:
its not i doubt Rose ever becomes good as Wade and i'm a fan of both players

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

its not i doubt Rose ever becomes good as Wade and i'm a fan of both players

Why not? Rose is only 22 and has a crazy work ethic.

[Ikill]

Why not? Rose is only 22 and has a crazy work ethic.
lack of physical tools compared to Wade and basketball IQ similar to Kobe and Jordan

[christian1923]

its not i doubt Rose ever becomes good as Wade and i'm a fan of both players

Its not for wat reason?? explainnn lol cuz drose has an mvp and he's on a worse team than dwade and still won more games, gets the same amount of points and more assists and is leading his team to the Ecf. wat is wade doing better this year? :confusedshrug:

[tommy3]

Its not for wat reason?? explainnn lol cuz drose has an mvp and he's on a worse team than dwade and still won more games, gets the same amount of points and more assists and is leading his team to the Ecf. wat is wade doing better this year? :confusedshrug:
Perhaps...not chucking?

[christian1923]

Perhaps...not chucking?

so cuz derrick rose averages one more shot per game then d wade, he's a chucker and dwade isnt? cmon son

[TheNaturalWR]

so cuz derrick rose averages one more shot per game then d wade, he's a chucker and dwade isnt? cmon son

Wade's 50% FG says hi.

[Go Getter]

Wade's 50% FG says hi.:facepalm

[KOLBCTEW]

Its not for wat reason?? explainnn lol cuz drose has an mvp and he's on a worse team than dwade and still won more games, gets the same amount of points and more assists and is leading his team to the Ecf. wat is wade doing better this year? :confusedshrug:Far more efficient, more steals, blocks, rebounds, fewer turnovers, and Wade averages more points.

[christian1923]

Wade's 50% FG says hi.

so basically u guys think wade is way better cuz he shoots 50%??

MVP says hi
25 ppg say hi
8 apg say hi
62 wins say hi


u guys sound lik some true idiots and cant give the young man some credit, i hate the bulls too

[Go Getter]

Far more efficient, more steals, blocks, rebounds, fewer turnovers, and Wade averages more points.
And Rose wouldn't be more efficient with Lebron on the wing and Bosh instead of Boozer.

[Ikill]

Its not for wat reason?? explainnn lol cuz drose has an mvp and he's on a worse team than dwade and still won more games, gets the same amount of points and more assists and is leading his team to the Ecf. wat is wade doing better this year? :confusedshrug:
Wade is scoring better playing better defense and rebounding better Rose gets more assists but Wade is still the better passer.
26/6/5 50% fg
25/4/8 45%fg
There pretty close but Wades stats are still better while playing Lebron and he is a much better defender. Wade on Chicago would have much better stats and the bulls would be better probably 65 to 67 wins.

[TheNaturalWR]

so basically u guys think wade is way better cuz he shoots 50%??

MVP says hi
25 ppg say hi
8 apg say hi
62 wins say hi


u guys sound lik some true idiots and cant give the young man some credit, i hate the bulls too

He's arguably the worst MVP in history so that's a horrible point. Averaging 25PPG a game for a point guard is a horrible case. His team being in the worst division of basketball says hi. Oh, Wade's Finals MVP says hi. Wade is miles better than Rose and isn't even debatable. Wade takes less shots, scores more and is way more efficient. Not taking anything from Rose though. Had an amazing game and that's when you should brag about a point guard scoring a lot, when he's actually efficient from the floor, smh.

[KOLBCTEW]

MVP says hi Down year for MVP...


25 ppg say hi
8 apg say hi
62 wins say hi Wade's third year in the league was still far better...





u guys sound lik some true idiots and cant give the young man some credit, i hate the bulls too No one's saying the man doesn't deserve credit, he's just not currently at Wade's level as you seem to be hyping him up to be...

[christian1923]

Far more efficient, more steals, blocks, rebounds, fewer turnovers, and Wade averages more points.

hes barely beating rose and those stats lol ur gonna tell me hes way better cuz he averages .5 more steals and assists and gets .3 less turnovers?? dwade isnt even the best player on his team :sleeping

[canefandynasty]

SCORING
Wade >> Rose

REBOUNDING
Wade >>> Rose

PASSING
Rose > Wade

DEFENSE
Wade >>>>>>>> Rose

OVERALL
Wade >> Rose

[Ikill]

And Rose wouldn't be more efficient with Lebron on the wing and Bish instead of Boozer.
Wade had 48% and 49% last two years did Lebron really help him that much he's always been efficient.

[KOLBCTEW]

And Rose wouldn't be more efficient with Lebron on the wing and Bish instead of Boozer.Wade averaged 30 points per game shooting 49% from the field surrounded by scrubs in 08-09 season... Wades high efficiency isn't predicated on playing with Lebron and Bosh...

[christian1923]

I know dwade is better, dont say he's way better right now cuz he's not. drose is right up there with him. and if u disagree ur stupid, flatout

[TheNaturalWR]

SCORING
Wade >> Rose

REBOUNDING
Wade >>> Rose

PASSING
Rose > Wade

DEFENSE
Wade >>>>>>>> Rose

OVERALL
Wade >> Rose

I'm gonna go as far as saying Wade's just as good if not better a passer than Rose is.

[christian1923]

Wade averaged 30 points per game shooting 49% from the field surrounded by scrubs in 08-09 season... Wades high efficiency isn't predicated on playing with Lebron and Bosh...

hmm nice that high effiency got him 43 wins :hammerhead:

[KOLBCTEW]

hes barely beating rose and those stats lol ur gonna tell me hes way better cuz he averages .5 more steals and assists and gets .3 less turnovers?? dwade isnt even the best player on his team :sleepingYou do realize he'd have even better stats (scoring and assist wise) if he wasn't sharing the ball with Lebron. The fact that he's still beating Rose statwise while playing with arguably the number 1 playing in the game doesn't say much for Rose when he's compared to Wade.

[Ikill]

2nd year Wade and 3rd year Rose is a good comparison
Wade- 24/7/5/2/1 48% fg 59 wins
Rose- 25/8/4/1/1 45% fg 62 wins
Really close but i would take Wade

[TheNaturalWR]

hmm nice that high effiency got him 43 wins :hammerhead:

You clearly didn't know his 2nd best player was a softass rookie coming off the bench.

[Ikill]

hmm nice that high effiency got him 43 wins :hammerhead:
That team wouldn't even win 15 games without him he was worth 40 wins pretty much

[KOLBCTEW]

I know dwade is better, dont say he's way better right now cuz he's not. drose is right up there with him. and if u disagree ur stupid, flatout D. Rose is a superstar now?

hmm nice that high effiency got him 43 wins :hammerhead:Uh...

surrounded by scrubs

[christian1923]

You clearly didn't know his 2nd best player was a softass rookie coming off the bench.

well if u wanna say that, drose won 41 games that year? and who was his 2nd best player?? ben gordon

[KOLBCTEW]

You clearly didn't know his 2nd best player was a softass rookie coming off the bench.
Naw, I think his second best player was a Jermaine O'Neal who shot 16% against the Celtics in the playoffs.

[christian1923]

D. Rose is a superstar now?
Uh...
duhhh

[KOLBCTEW]

duhhh
:roll:

[Go Getter]

Wade had 48% and 49% last two years did Lebron really help him that much he's always been efficient.
48% and 49% huh?

Sounds a lot like Rose....before his 23rd birthday even, impressive.

[hkfosho]

48% and 49% huh?

Sounds a lot like Rose....before his 23rd birthday even, impressive.
K.O.

NEXT

[TheNaturalWR]

48% and 49% huh?

Sounds a lot like Rose....before his 23rd birthday even, impressive.

And his FG% dropped as he became a better player, impressive.

[christian1923]

And his FG% dropped as he became a better player, impressive.

yeah and his wins went up

[KOLBCTEW]

48% and 49% huh?

Sounds a lot like Rose....before his 23rd birthday even, impressive.He was barely even getting past the 20 point mark and when he actually did Like TheNaturalWR pointed out his field goal percentage dropped... rather dramatically.

[KOLBCTEW]

yeah and his wins went upBetter Team :facepalm

[TheNaturalWR]

well if u wanna say that, drose won 41 games that year? and who was his 2nd best player?? ben gordon

SMH, Gordon was a 20 PPG scorer in Chicago. When you guys needed a bucket, who delivered it? Ben Gordon. Meanwhile, Beasley was so bad he was moved to the bench. He also shot more jumpshots than Bosh does for us now.

[christian1923]

Better Team :facepalm

Yea a better team cuz rose became and MVP type player, boozer helped but they won without him anyways

[Ikill]

Yea a better team cuz rose became and MVP type player, boozer helped but they won without him anyways
You sound more like a Wade hater than a Rose fan

[canefandynasty]

People on Wades tier: LeBron & D. Howard

Kobe and Dirk are on the next tier

Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul. Kevin Durant, etc.. are on the tier after

[christian1923]

You sound more like a Wade hater than a Rose fan

no i actually lik dwade, i juss dont lik how someone can say he's WAYYY better than rose, cuz he's not.

[Go Getter]

And his FG% dropped as he became a better player, impressive.
I don't see it like that. I see it as his role expanded, and they asked him to do some things that he probably isn't quite ready for.

Shooting threes and carrying a 25 shot work load at 22 is a lot to ask a kid.

He's doing it at an all NBA level while leading his team to wins and MFERS wanna argue me down about shooting % (considering the roster)....:rolleyes:

[Ikill]

People on Wades tier: LeBron & D. Howard

Kobe and Dirk are on the next tier

Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul. Kevin Durant, etc.. are on the tier after
pretty much

[FinishHim!]

To all of you talking about D-Wade's high fg%, it probably bares noting that he's been a leader in points in the paint. Just like how Rondo and Tony Parker have high fg% despite not being great outside shooters. Not saying that D-Wade is on that level but that the %'s are skewed for that reason.

[Go Getter]

He was barely even getting past the 20 point mark and when he actually did Like TheNaturalWR pointed out his field goal percentage dropped... rather dramatically.
20 points a game for a 21 year old point guard is great, how can you knock that?

And being a point guard and first scoring option on a 62 win team is better than a gaudy stat, bet that.

[TheNaturalWR]

To all of you talking about D-Wade's high fg%, it probably bares noting that he's been a leader in points in the paint. Just like how Rondo and Tony Parker have high fg% despite not being great outside shooters. Not saying that D-Wade is on that level but that the %'s are skewed for that reason.

Lets be honest. Wade is in a league of his own at finishing at the basket among guards and in general only matched by LeBron. He finishes at a 67% clip and everyone knows he's going to the rim too. It makes it that much harder to finish but he always finds a way to finish. Lets not act like he can't shoot because the matter of fact is that he historically has been a good mid-range shooter. It doesn't matter if you're a slasher or a jumpshooter as long as you take smart shots and shots that you know you could make 75% of the time you'll be efficient regardless of your style of play.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Dwade has had a better career, but Rose will have a much, much better career
And this season, Rose>Wade

Haters can keep hating :pimp:

[FinishHim!]

Lets be honest. Wade is in a league of his own at finishing at the basket among guards and in general only matched by LeBron. He finishes at a 67% clip and everyone knows he's going to the rim too. It makes it that much harder to finish but he always finds a way to finish. Lets not act like he can't shoot because the matter of fact is that he historically has been a good mid-range shooter. It doesn't matter if you're a slasher or a jumpshooter as long as you take smart shots and shots that you know you could make 75% of the time you'll be efficient regardless of your style of play.
All i'm saying is that there's a reason for his 50% fg shooting and it's not because his midrange game is THAT on point.

[TheNaturalWR]

Dwade has had a better career, but Rose will have a much, much better career
And this season, Rose>Wade

Haters can keep hating :pimp:

"Much, much"? You for real homie? Wade is on his way to being a top 15 all time and possibly top 10 along with LeBron if they do manage to win 3 more championships. If they win it all this year along with Wade's statlines Wade solidifies himself in the top 15. Wade was better than Rose this season as well. Winning MVP doesn't mean you had a better season. He can thank Wade and LeBron for joining forces case if they didn't he would have had a chance. Don't say he's going to have a better career than Wade when he hasn't even passed Iverson's level yet.

[FinishHim!]

And to support that point a quick scan of 82games.com shows that.
http://www.82games.com/1011/10MIA4.HTM
61% of his shot attemps are jumpshots, he shoots .430
30% of his shots are close shots which he shoots .624
7% are dunks which are .883
1% are tips which he shoots .450

EDIT: http://www.82games.com/1011/10CHI3.HTM
Numbers for Rose
69% of his shots are jumpshots, he shoots .441 (higher than Wade)
30% are close shots which he shoots .566 (lower than Wade)
2% dunks at 100%
and 0% tips ins at .33

So as you can see, it's mainly a result of Wade taking less perimeter shots and being a better finisher around the basket rather than him being a better perimeter shooter (which he's actually not).

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

"Much, much"? You for real homie? Wade is on his way to being a top 15 all time and possibly top 10 along with LeBron if they do manage to win 3 more championships. If they win it all this year along with Wade's statlines Wade solidifies himself in the top 15. Wade was better than Rose this season as well. Winning MVP doesn't mean you had a better season. He can thank Wade and LeBron for joining forces case if they didn't he would have had a chance. Don't say he's going to have a better career than Wade when he hasn't even passed Iverson's level yet.

Rose is only 22 and with his work ethic, it would be stupid to say he won't have a better career.

And it's no ones fault that your boy Wade decided to join forces with his buddies to cheat their way to rings, why r u using that as an excuse?

[one2]

I remember the D Rose hype from over 3 years ago. I never thought he would ever be this good.

[Stuckey]

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Rose needs a second option, Boozer is shite

[Hittin_Shots]

Rose is only 22 and with his work ethic, it would be stupid to say he won't have a better career.

And it's no ones fault that your boy Wade decided to join forces with his buddies to cheat their way to rings, why r u using that as an excuse?

It isn't cheating.... I wud say Rose has a better 'team' whereas wade has better players on his team. U are soundin like kobestans goin on about work ethic, work ethic can be changed in an instance. People can decide to do more or people can give up. There is no guarantee he will have a better career and thinking he won't is far from stupid, as u say he's only 22 so he can still go up or down or stay the same, Wade has the notches marked which can't be taken away...

[cavsfanatic]

Rose is not on Wade level I say this once again. Dude shooting his team out of the playoffs

[pauk]

Derrick Rose ... Russell Westbrook without Kevin Durant?!?.

YES

[bluechox2]

derick rose carrying his team on his back >>>>wade piggybacking lebron's and vice versa

[cavsfanatic]

derick rose carrying his team on his back >>>>wade piggybacking lebron's and vice versa
Lebron went to finals with horrible team and Wade won a title before. Rose 12-32 last night but Boozer 7-10 pg job is to get ball to teammates with hot hand not shoot like Iverson used to.

[Hittin_Shots]

derick rose carrying his team on his back >>>>wade piggybacking lebron's and vice versa

He's trying to carry the offence, he isnt carrying the defence.. The game has two halves and for bulls theyve been doing so well from the other half.

Don't say Rose is good at defence tho, yes he isn't bad but he doesnt carry it.

[Papaya Petee]

Isn't it funny that with LeBron and Bosh on his team Wade is still better then Rose any way you wanna look at it? Statistically, game wise, defensively, etc. etc.

Shit, a 2nd year Wade is on Rose's level now.

[Laker12]

Both are way worse than Kobe and Gasol.

[KingBeasley08]

Isn't it funny that with LeBron and Bosh on his team Wade is still better then Rose any way you wanna look at it? Statistically, game wise, defensively, etc. etc.

Shit, a 2nd year Wade is on Rose's level now.
true :oldlol: