Record for most assists in a game without a turnover?

[Force]

anybody know? Paul had 14 tonight without committing one turnover

[evinecz]

:confusedshrug: dont kno about the record.. but paul is beasting this year:bowdown:

[SomeBunghole]

Do you even need to ask? John Stockton.

19 against the Bulls in '89.

That's only in the last 20 years, though. Someone might have had more earlier.

[SomeBunghole]

Heh, Deron Williams just dished out 14 without a turnover as well. He's still no Stockton :)

[bigkingsfan]

Gilbert Arenas - 23

[sixerfan82]

Gilbert Arenas - 23

box score?

[SomeBunghole]

What boxscore? Gilbo's career high is 15, with or without TOs.

[sixerfan82]

What boxscore? Gilbo's career high is 15, with or without TOs.

im curious to see the box score for the game, basketball reference shows highest assists, but i cant seem to get a filter going on there

[SomeBunghole]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi

If you're looking for individual stats, that's the engine to use.

[Showtime]

never mind...........

[knickscity]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&year_min=1987&year_max=2008&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&pos=&c1stat=ast&c1comp=gt&c1val=18&c2stat=tov&c2comp=eq&c2val=0&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=date_game

It's shared according to this.

[kidachi]

it's still gotta be the assist record. 30. by Scott Skiles.

[MMM]

I think Rondo tied an NBA record for most assist without a TO with 19 the last to do it was Andre Miller back in 02. I believe he also sets a NBA playoff record but I'm not sure if anyone else has done this prior Mid 80's. Although it is a shame it came in a losing effort.

[Kobe681]

I think Rondo tied an NBA record for most assist without a TO with 19 the last to do it was Andre Miller back in 02. I believe he also sets a NBA playoff record but I'm not sure if anyone else has done this prior Mid 80's. Although it is a shame it came in a losing effort.

But that doesnt make sense, he got blocked at the end of the game. Someone messed up the stats. Rose blocks him, and then picks up the ball and gets fouled. No other Celtics player touched the ball. That's a turnover if you ask me...

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&year_min=1987&year_max=2008&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&pos=&c1stat=ast&c1comp=gt&c1val=18&c2stat=tov&c2comp=eq&c2val=0&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=date_game

It's shared according to this.

Surprised to see Hornacek and Cassell on that list with 18 assists/0 TO.

[MMM]

But that doesnt make sense, he got blocked at the end of the game. Someone messed up the stats. Rose blocks him, and then picks up the ball and gets fouled. No other Celtics player touched the ball. That's a turnover if you ask me...

I don't think a blocked attempt is recorded as a turnover

[OldSchoolBBall]

I don't think a blocked attempt is recorded as a turnover

If the other team gains possession, it has to be. It's no different from a steal in that sense.

[MMM]

If the other team gains possession, it has to be. It's no different from a steal in that sense.

Well it seems like they aren't recording it as an official TO.
BTW he tied the record with Norm Nixon who did it back in 79.

[monkeypox]

Huh, I guess it must just count as a missed shot rather than a turnover since they were able to get a shot off.

[Mikaiel]

It's a block and whoever comes up with the ball gets a rebound.

[twolvesfan]

rondo: 19 AST 0 TOs:pimp: :pimp: :hammertime:

[pete's montreux]

Laker fans desperately trying to taint Rondo's record. "Dood, that was definitely a turnover, I'm gonna send the game tape to the league" :rolleyes:

[MK2V1GP]

But that doesnt make sense, he got blocked at the end of the game. Someone messed up the stats. Rose blocks him, and then picks up the ball and gets fouled. No other Celtics player touched the ball. That's a turnover if you ask me...

Classic...

Shows how much you know about basketball.

[fefe]

Agreed, that was a missed shot by Rondo,
a block plus a rebound for Rose.

[Myth]

If the other team gains possession, it has to be. It's no different from a steal in that sense.

You could then argue that when you miss and there is a defensive rebound it is a turnover, but it isn't counted that way, just as blocks against aren't counted as turnovers.

[BigTicket]

Andre Miller has the most impressive one if you ask me:

27 points and 19 assists with 0 turnovers

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200202130MIL.html

[OldSchoolBBall]

It's a block and whoever comes up with the ball gets a rebound.

Is that really the rule? That's terrible then imo, since what makes a block that's recovered by the defense any different than a steal? Makes no sense to me.


You could then argue that when you miss and there is a defensive rebound it is a turnover, but it isn't counted that way, just as blocks against aren't counted as turnovers.

Interesting, but I'm not sure I'm persuaded, since in one case a shot actually is made and a rebound occurs, and in one it doesn't.

[Mikaiel]

Is that really the rule? That's terrible then imo, since what makes a block that's recovered by the defense any different than a steal? Makes no sense to me.

Turnover = You lost the ball without even attempting a shot. In that scenario, you attempted one. It got blocked but you did shoot the ball.

And since you attempted a shot and it missed, it's a rebound for whoever gets it. Makes perfect sense.

[tastystaci]

Is that really the rule? That's terrible then imo, since what makes a block that's recovered by the defense any different than a steal? Makes no sense to me.



Interesting, but I'm not sure I'm persuaded, since in one case a shot actually is made and a rebound occurs, and in one it doesn't.

U guys serious? Why would u think a guy getting a shot blocked could be a turnover? IT'S A SHOT...THAT WAS BLOCKED. It's nothing more than a missed shot, rebound to whoever recovers it. Don't even see an argument. And Rondo's 19 assist's were not impressive at all. 18 of them were passes out to Ray for jumpshots :roll: There was a bad pass to Ray on the sideline from Rondo that should've been a t.o., they must've given that to Ray for some reason.

[John Smith]

Heh, Deron Williams just dished out 14 without a turnover as well. He's still no Stockton :)

It's going to be close when it's all said and done.

[MMM]

U guys serious? Why would u think a guy getting a shot blocked could be a turnover? IT'S A SHOT...THAT WAS BLOCKED. It's nothing more than a missed shot, rebound to whoever recovers it. Don't even see an argument. And Rondo's 19 assist's were not impressive at all. 18 of them were passes out to Ray for jumpshots :roll: There was a bad pass to Ray on the sideline from Rondo that should've been a t.o., they must've given that to Ray for some reason.

LOL Rondo did not assist on every Ray shot also anytime when a PG gets in the high teens a lot of it come down to finding the hot hand

[pete's montreux]

So now ISH has resorted to, "yeah, but those assists weren't impressive because all he did was just pass to Ray Ray."

Really? Really ISH? Ray f*cking drops 51 for the game, is f*cking red hot the entire game, yet Rondo shouldn't pass it to him? I'll send him a text that reads: Hey mayne, make sure you do some crazy sh*t in game seven...I'm talking no look behind the back type sh*t, don't just pass the ball mayne, deliver that ball with some flava."

You guys are trying way too hard, but whatever. The hate on Rondo just means he's finally stepped it up and elevated his game to the point of pure, unadulterated hate.

[tastystaci]

So now ISH has resorted to, "yeah, but those assists weren't impressive because all he did was just pass to Ray Ray."

Really? Really ISH? Ray f*cking drops 51 for the game, is f*cking red hot the entire game, yet Rondo shouldn't pass it to him? I'll send him a text that reads: Hey mayne, make sure you do some crazy sh*t in game seven...I'm talking no look behind the back type sh*t, don't just pass the ball mayne, deliver that ball with some flava."

You guys are trying way too hard, but whatever. The hate on Rondo just means he's finally stepped it up and elevated his game to the point of pure, unadulterated hate.

I'm not blaming Rondo at all for passing to Ray-Ray when he's on fire. But I would do the same f*ckin thing. I'm not gonna gargle a guys ballz for doing the same thing I woulda/coulda done. He didn't have a good game. He missed big shots, took bad shots, flew white guys into scoreboards for no reason. The guy has a horrible game and still gets threads started slurping on him. It's a joke to me.

[pete's montreux]

Did you just say you could get 19 assists in an NBA game? Did I read that correctly?

Seriously, dude? Wow. I'm literally at a loss. I'm done. I quit.

ISH has officially hit rock bottom.

[tastystaci]

Did you just say you could get 19 assists in an NBA game? Did I read that correctly?

Seriously, dude? Wow. I'm literally at a loss. I'm done. I quit.

ISH has officially hit rock bottom.

You're a dope, and I promise nobody cares if you're done :roll: I could've made almost any of those assists he had last night, they were nothing but swing passes to Ray. I couldn't defend Rose, I probably would get my rock taken multiple times, but I could definitly make those passes he was making. Please watch the game and tell me he had a good f*ckin game you blind homer.

I know one thing I could do better than Rondo, and that's shoot the f*ckin rock. In fact, you talked me into it. I'm gonna call up Ainge and tell him I can make swing passes to Ray-Ray AND hit a free throw/outside shot. Thank you, this is a life altering moment, all thanks to you. :cheers:

[statman32]

Is that really the rule? That's terrible then imo, since what makes a block that's recovered by the defense any different than a steal? Makes no sense to me.



Interesting, but I'm not sure I'm persuaded, since in one case a shot actually is made and a rebound occurs, and in one it doesn't.
How can you be such a big NBA fan yet not know that a block shot does not equal a turnover? All of your time watching Kobe and M.J you never realized that when they got blocked, a turnover wasnt added to there stats?

[monkeypox]

Did you just say you could get 19 assists in an NBA game? Did I read that correctly?

Seriously, dude? Wow. I'm literally at a loss. I'm done. I quit.

ISH has officially hit rock bottom.

You're being a bit dramatic huh? Try to be less emotional, there isn't some grand conspiracy here to discredit Rondo, just an honest question about whether a blocked shot is a turnover.

Anyways, for the people that aren't on the rag:

It shouldn't be a turnover for the same reason an airball shouldn't be a turnover. You intended to take a shot and you got one off. In this case it just so happens that the opposing player altered it and you missed.

Well, come to think of it, what would you call it when a guy takes a shot and the defensive player literally snatches it from the air? TO? Does the defensive player get a block or a steal... or both?

[pete's montreux]

You're being a bit dramatic huh? Try to be less emotional, there isn't some grand conspiracy here to discredit Rondo, just an honest question about whether a blocked shot is a turnover.

Anyways, for the people that aren't on the rag:

It shouldn't be a turnover for the same reason an airball shouldn't be a turnover. You intended to take a shot and you got one off. In this case it just so happens that the opposing player altered it and you missed.

Well, come to think of it, what would you call it when a guy takes a shot and the defensive player literally snatches it from the air? TO? Does the defensive player get a block or a steal... or both?

Yes, there is.

:roll: All of a sudden everyone's questioning whether a blocked shot is a turnover. Are you f*cking serious? Only agenda'd retards are questioning it.

[Mikaiel]

Well, come to think of it, what would you call it when a guy takes a shot and the defensive player literally snatches it from the air? TO? Does the defensive player get a block or a steal... or both?

For the 32nd time, he gets a block and a rebound

[Junny]

Getting blocked is not a turnover, I always knew (well maybe not knew, but that was what I thought). But what is this BS with being credited with a rebound if you gain possession of the ball. So theoretically, if you shoot the ball, a defender blocks it, and you get the ball back, does that mean you're credited with the offensive board? :wtf:

Also I still think that to get a rebound "normally" you have to catch the ball before it hits the ground? This is still true right? Once it bounces it's no longer a rebound? This still HAS to hold. :confusedshrug:

You know what phuck stats. You people are way too serious about stats anyway. As far as I know, getting blocked is not a turnover and doesn't result in a rebound, and to get a rebound from a missed shot the ball's not allowed to bounce.

And for the record, I like Rondo. Whatever it was that he did, well done. I still want Bulls to win though.

[Maniak]

It's going to be close when it's all said and done.
This right here is perfect proof of how overrated players from the 00's era are.

[Mikaiel]

For every missed shot there's a rebound. Even if that shot is blocked. Or if it hits the ground. Or even if it goes out of bounds.

[Rekindled]

You're a dope, and I promise nobody cares if you're done :roll: I could've made almost any of those assists he had last night, they were nothing but swing passes to Ray. I couldn't defend Rose, I probably would get my rock taken multiple times, but I could definitly make those passes he was making. Please watch the game and tell me he had a good f*ckin game you blind homer.

I know one thing I could do better than Rondo, and that's shoot the f*ckin rock. In fact, you talked me into it. I'm gonna call up Ainge and tell him I can make swing passes to Ray-Ray AND hit a free throw/outside shot. Thank you, this is a life altering moment, all thanks to you. :cheers:

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Junny]

For every missed shot there's a rebound. Even if that shot is blocked. Or if it hits the ground. Or even if it goes out of bounds.

OK that last part cannot be true. If that's the case who the phuck gets credited with the rebound?

[Mikaiel]

OK that last part cannot be true. If that's the case who the phuck gets credited with the rebound?

No one. It's a team rebound.

[Junny]

Good thing I'm not the one in charge of recording stats. :lol According to me Dwight Howard would probably only have about 8 rebounds per game.