Report: Devean George blocks Kidd trade!

[insidehoops]

ESPN (Marc Stein) reports: With the New Jersey Nets poised to complete a blockbuster deal to send Jason Kidd back to Dallas on Wednesday night, Mavericks reserve forward Devean George has unexpectedly exercised his right to block the trade, according to NBA front-office sources. Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the teams verbally agreed to the deal earlier Wednesday and were preparing to submit the trade for league approval when George informed the Mavericks that he wouldn

[Day La Ghetto]

[QUOTE=insidehoops]ESPN (Marc Stein) reports: With the New Jersey Nets poised to complete a blockbuster deal to send Jason Kidd back to Dallas on Wednesday night, Mavericks reserve forward Devean George has unexpectedly exercised his right to block the trade, according to NBA front-office sources. Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the teams verbally agreed to the deal earlier Wednesday and were preparing to submit the trade for league approval when George informed the Mavericks that he wouldn

[MrEncinas]

hahaha

[netsfan549]

since D.George has a no trade clause

[miles berg]

Nah, Dallas can sub others in. Worst comes to worst, you use Van Horn as a tiny expirer.

It will still get done but it will be tomorrow.

[Jimmy2k8]

:oldlol: Is this for real?

[SCY]

Why the hell does he have a no trade clause? NBA should just strike it from his contract and move on.

[Lakers13]

Wow, they gonna have to buy this dude out so he can go where he wants.

He is always welcome to LA if they'd ship Karl to the D League.

[Black Joker]

crazy.

[brwnman]

I broke that news first too - right after I heard it on the nets telecast - I deserve a glass of milk and some cookies...

[DTD]

Lmao

[Kobe24]

I thought it was some joke when I heard it. It's not like he's the center piece anyways.

[Optimus Prime]

Wow, so a scrub who is nothing more than an expiring contract thrown in to make the salaries match just killed a blockbuster trade.

If I were Cuban, I'd make the trade work without George, then call George into my office, ream his bench warming butt out from here to next Tuesday, and then cut him!

I doubt this kills the trade totally, but man, George is gonna have a bullseye on this back after this stunt!

[R.I.P.]

Lmao

Huh?

It

[Valliant13]

Wow. I George will be popular on the Mavs after this.

[insidehoops]

I assume they'll just find some way to work around it. But this may force the Mavs to trade some other player that they don't want to trade. Or maybe it'll be a simpler fix. Either way, I'm sure the Mavs are pissed.

[bjtrdff]

He won't block the deal. They'll replace him with someone else. The trade will go through, and I'd say that in either case, George won't be around the Mavs much longer.

Apparently they might sign and trade KVH.

[FireMcFailPlease]

LMFAO

i was shocked that devean freaking george has a no trade clause

[Jimmy2k8]

If Mavs can't work their way around this trade, then we can pretty much say that George saved the Mavs from being split apart.

[dwade3ai3]

I'd do the same thing.

[Valliant13]

Not a bad move by him, though. He will likely get bought out, and get to sign with the team that he wants. He gets two paydays, and he doesn't have to play on a terrible Nets team going nowhere.

[G-train]

Cuban paid George under the table to exercise it, so Donnie doesnt do the trade.

j/k of course

[bagelred]

Is George insane?

If he ruins this deal for the Mavericks, every citizen of Dallas is going to kill this guy. What is wrong with him? He's a free agent at years end anyway.... If the trade doesn't happen, Kidd will "accidentally" throw a pass against the Mavs right into George's face. Whoops!!!!

[bagelred]

As it turns out, Gregg Popovich vetoed the trade so it didn't go through.

Damn you, Pop!!!!!

[Put Back Dunk]

Just took a quick look at Dallas' salaries, I think they can just sub George out for Trenton Hassell...if the Nets are willing to take on the final 3 years of his contract.

[Jimmy2k8]

Is George insane?

If he ruins this deal for the Mavericks, every citizen of Dallas is going to kill this guy. What is wrong with him? He's a free agent at years end anyway.... If the trade doesn't happen, Kidd will "accidentally" throw a pass against the Mavs right into George's face. Whoops!!!!



:oldlol: I doubt any Dallas citzen will kill Devean for this move..

[ChrisConley]

i wondered why him and diop and others that were supposedly traded were playing tonight. not kidd tho. he's pulling a marbury.

[Doomsday Dallas]

[QUOTE=insidehoops]ESPN (Marc Stein) reports: With the New Jersey Nets poised to complete a blockbuster deal to send Jason Kidd back to Dallas on Wednesday night, Mavericks reserve forward Devean George has unexpectedly exercised his right to block the trade, according to NBA front-office sources. Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the teams verbally agreed to the deal earlier Wednesday and were preparing to submit the trade for league approval when George informed the Mavericks that he wouldn

[bagelred]

Just took a quick look at Dallas' salaries, I think they can just sub George out for Trenton Hassell...if the Nets are willing to take on the final 3 years of his contract.

Nets aren't going to do that. That's an extra $9 million on the books.

Why don't the Nets just give George assurances that he'll be bought out. Then he can go whereever he wants and get double salary, even rejoining Mavs.

[G-train]

I smell a conspiracy...

You don't F*ck with Cuban.... If George wanted out ... this is his ticket.
He will get waived by NJ.

Cuban should find another scrub.... and then make George sit on the
bench the rmainder of the season.

F*ck Devean George.

LOL

Maybe Stern paid George under the table to annoy Cuban! haha

[boozehound]

I broke that news first too - right after I heard it on the nets telecast - I deserve a glass of milk and some cookies...
http://i.pbase.com/o4/24/564324/1/55347059.milk_and_cookies.jpg

[boozehound]

really can you blame him? hes not involved in the buyout collusion that stack is so he gets shipped from a potential contender to a friggin joke of a team. If ager could block the trade he would to

[23jordan23]

George is a idiot..They even said he was unhappy with his role on the Mavs ..He now gets a new start on a mid level team where he will get double the mins..now he cry's like a byatch and blocks the trade..Exactly,it's obvious now that his days in Dallas are numbered!But for sure this deal will get done..he's only one micro piece to the major deal.

[wang4three]

Why the **** would they give a scrub player that clause?

[kentatm]

I dont even really like this trade for the Mavs but this is an incredibly selfish and *****y move by George especially since he already CLEARLY stated all he cares about is PT to get a better contract next year when he demanded PT or a trade. He doesnt care about winning, the dude is a selfish money grubbing prick.

If I was the Mavs brass I would just sit his ass the rest of the year and let him fend for himself when he expires. What a complete *****.

[krayziejcs]

:roll:

[R.I.P-Chick]

Why the **** would they give a scrub player that clause?

Dont you have to earn it somehow?

[23jordan23]

really can you blame him? hes not involved in the buyout collusion that stack is so he gets shipped from a potential contender to a friggin joke of a team. If ager could block the trade he would to

But i think it boils down to ..these guys aren't in no category of a Jason Kidd,Kobe Bryant to make such outlandish crys or have that kinda contract..especially if your now even a mid level star in the league.

[MaxFly]

Lol... Devean George... I can't believe this.

[AI Nuggets3]

every player wonders what they'll be remembered for after they're gone. Kobe has 81, Vince has the dunkcontest, AI has the Lue-step..............Devean George has this. We have just witnessed the peak of his career.

[KareemsGoggles]

He's trying to get bought out, he doesn't wan to play for the Nets. Oh Devean, you power play just like you play on the court.

[Doomsday Dallas]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~429~2982~992~2382~351~402~8 02&teams=6~6~17~17~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=

PLAN B

[boozehound]

But i think it boils down to ..these guys aren't in no category of a Jason Kidd,Kobe Bryant to make such outlandish crys or have that kinda contract..especially if your now even a mid level star in the league.
well he apparently does have that kind of contract so.... blame the mavs since they gave it to him

[AI Nuggets3]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~429~2982~992~2382~351~402~8 02&teams=6~6~17~17~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=

PLAN B

general question. that trade and the original deal will leave Dallas with 4 open spots. how will they take care of that? D-League?

[SCREWstonRockets]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/f4/fullj.5d0e0fc2d057b9e2feb47ae7a609640e/5d0e0fc2d057b9e2feb47ae7a609640e-getty-76075082ab004_dallas_maveri.jpg

"You chumps got trade-blocked!!"



http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/05/26/media.circus/p1_cuban.jpg

"F***!!"

[boozehound]

.Devean George has this. We have just witnessed the peak of his career.
something tells me he considers those clutch shots to win some championships the peak

[Sonic R]

LOL!

Devean George was crying a month ago demanding he be traded because he was not happy with his role in Dallas

[boozehound]

general question. that trade and the original deal will leave Dallas with 4 open spots. how will they take care of that? D-League?
you can carry a roster of 11 I think. plus the side trade of wright for a 2nd rounder. plus they gotta keep two spots open for when stackhouse and diop get colluded back to them

[Vendetta]

..

[Vendetta]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/960000/images/_960708_geiger300.jpg

"'atta Boy, Devean!"

[Jimmy2k8]

I wonder if Devean George learned some tricks from Kobe Bryant(getting a no trade clause, whining about a trade...rejecting a trade to New Jersey)

[AI Nuggets3]

something tells me he considers those clutch shots to win some championships the peak

he wont be remembered for that like he wil be for this tho if this truly blocks Kidd from being a Mav.

[wang4three]

I wonder if Devean George learned some tricks from Kobe Bryant(getting a no trade clause, whining about a trade...rejecting a trade to New Jersey)

Or if some other Western team payed Devean to exercise the right.

[catzhernandez]

something tells me he considers those clutch shots to win some championships the peak

What clutch shots? I remember him coming in and playing some decent defense, but no memorable "clutch" shots.

[Put Back Dunk]

For people wondering why Cuban would give Devean George a no trade clause, he didn't. This will explain:


85. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.
LINK (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#11)

It's a little complicated because George did have an option this past summer, but he opted out and then signed a 1 year deal, giving him the right to not consent to any trade.

[kentatm]

apparently b/c its his second yea on the same team with a one year deal for the second time he automatically gets a no trade clause from what I am getting on another board


Second year on the team, with a one year deal.

The Mavs could use the Early Bird exception to sign him at 175% of his current money, or the NBA average player salary.

If they trade him, he loses that right, and has to compete with other free agents for MLE/LLE money. Even the Nets would have to dip into their MLE if they wanted to resign him.

like this idiot is going to get more than he makes now or even equal! The Mavs already overpaid for him in the first place! To top it off the punk demanded PT or a trade just a couple weeks ago.

George is nothing but a selfish, greedy bastard.

[boozehound]

What clutch shots? I remember him coming in and playing some decent defense, but no memorable "clutch" shots.
well, perhaps nothing that could be called clutch, but timely shooting. nothing like a game winner or anything, but quality roleplaying for sure

[AI Nuggets3]

at least he's finally infamous for something. he was going the way of Samaki Walker before this afternoon

[bigkingsfan]

He's also 0/10 tonight...

[alexthegod]

when is the last time a filler killed a deal? Wow:eek: This will be amazing if it kills the deal. I can't imagine it would, but I'm its going to force dallas to do something it doesnt want to do.

[Dbrog]

Roflmao Gg Mavs! Owned By A Devean!!! suck that Cuban!

[Vendetta]

when is the last time a filler killed a deal?
..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/960000/images/_960708_geiger300.jpg

"'atta Boy, Devean!"

[Y2Gezee]

It'll get done, and Id just keep Devean unhappy on the bench.

[ChrisConley]

hahahhaa!!! now 0/11 from the field. and 0/2 from the line. "f@ck you dallas" - d.george

[DTD]

WTF? 0-11! :roll:

Is he missing on purpose?

[MrEncinas]

hahahhaa!!! now 0/11 from the field. and 0/2 from the line. "f@ck you dallas" - d.george
no boos from the fans?

[dirkdiggler41]

haha. This is funny. What a dumbass. Ohh well. Kidd is very cheap now if the trade does not fall through

[ChrisConley]

no boos from the fans?

i'm not sure if they know about the trade blocking yet.

[ZHAKIDD532]

Let's be serious, this is Devean George...who gives a sh*t about what he wants

[AI Nuggets3]

Let's be serious, this is Devean George...who gives a sh*t about what he wants

whoa whoa.....who else could go 0-11 and still have a +/- rating of +19?

guy is a legend. that right there tells you just his presense wins ballgames

[jbot]

:oldlol:

well, back to the drawing board. i think it's funny as hell. curious george is gonna be riding pine for the rest of the season and probably won't even dress for any games unless someone dies. cuban is probably crying like a baby right now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/245/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

[fos]

As a mavs fan this is outstanding news :)

Hope it doesn't go through, don't want a 35 year old guy who can't shoot whos only assets are assists and rebounding for a team that has made it to the finals and won 67 games being one of the worst assist teams and who already rebounds well.. we don't need a pg to help with the rebounding thank you very much... not at 19 mil a year and at the cost of harris and diop.

IMO Harris > Kidd

[yeesterbunny]

As a mavs fan this is outstanding news :)

Hope it doesn't go through, don't want a 35 year old guy who can't shoot whos only assets are assists and rebounding for a team that has made it to the finals and won 67 games being one of the worst assist teams and who already rebounds well.. we don't need a pg to help with the rebounding thank you very much... not at 19 mil a year and at the cost of harris and diop.

IMO Harris > Kidd

i totally agree.

[slaman]

Devean George: "I'll be the bad guy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iBYXeUF5s8

[slaman]

Devean George: "I'll be the bad guy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iBYXeUF5s8

[slaman]

Jason Kidd Trade: Avery Johnson's reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y__4TfU-mfY

[Vendetta]

Devean George: "I'll be the bad guy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iBYXeUF5s8

Wow, what self importance. Lol. You are not that good, dude.

[DatZNasty]

He seems like a nice guy. Good to hear his side.

[Vendetta]

Alright, he didn't really say anything offensive... it's just his mannerisms and tone of voice... that make me want to punch him in the face. You can tell he's holding back what he actually thinks. He's being a ***.

[Myth]

I'm disappointed he stopped the trade, but really, who would want to go play for NJ without Kidd?

[brwnman]

I'm disappointed he stopped the trade, but really, who would want to go play for NJ without Kidd?

I would happily play at the league's minimum...

[SupermanOnSteroids]

at least he's admitting he's looking out for number one.

he's not a soldier, but that don't make him a bad guy.

he's just a guy.
just there.
just taking up space.

not good.
not bad.
nothing polarizing about it.

he's just there.

and he'll leave soon as he gets a better opportunity leading to a better contract.

[picc84]

"Fucc yo trade, *****!"
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42190000/jpg/_42190900_ball203.jpg

Get em, D. George!

Although I actually kind of want this trade to go through haha

[bada bing]

he aint the jackass in all of this. The jackass is the idiot who decided to give him a no-trade clause for a 1 year contract.

If this trade doesn't go through because of DG, i doubt he is coming back to dallas after 1 year. Either way, he is out. He should have gone and not re-signed with the Nets when his contract is up. Now, he just became an ass that other GMs might question on having him on their teams. If it is a star, than I can atleast understand. But DG? wtf!

[slaman]

Jason Kidd Trade: Avery Johnson's reaction 02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF4yxWSlxXE

[DatZNasty]

Why would he sacrifice his Larry Bird rights though? It's about a 3.5mil a year difference. LoL, he is getting roasted on SportsCenter hard :oldlol:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

At the end of the day....A man has to do whats good for him

[SupermanOnSteroids]

he aint the jackass in all of this. The jackass is the idiot who decided to give him a no-trade clause for a 1 year contract.

that jackass is the CBA.

jackass.

[DatZNasty]

^ no badabing you got it wrong. If this trade goes through he waives his Larry Bird rights, those rights which allow his team to go over the cap to resign him at the end of the year without having to cut into their MLE. With teams being more and more reluctant to go into their MLE, and very few teams having cap room, this is basically his last chance at a big contract after this season. His current team will be able to give him up to a 20% raise (because he's on a 1yr contract, as opposed to 10% raises on multiyear deals)

Basically, he's making 2.3 mil this yr. If he goes to NJ, they'd only be able to resign him for up 2.76 mil (2.3+ up to 20% raise) without dipping into their MLE. If he stays with Dallas, they can resign him at the end of the year for up to 5.3 mil without getting into their MLE. It's basically twice the money.



Article VII: Section 8
(b) A player with a one-year Contract (excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the player's consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade).

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Why would he sacrifice his Larry Bird rights though? It's about a 3.5mil a year difference. LoL, he is getting roasted on SportsCenter hard :oldlol:


I think he is doing the thing thats right for him......At the end of the day its all about BUSINESS

[FPower]

They should tell him to either accept the trade, or get the Tim Thomas treatment. I.E., sit at home and collect your paycheck.

Not that I really blame George. If he doesn't want to get traded, and he's in that rare position that he has the ability to stop it...can't blame him.

[bagelred]

Are the Mavericks morons? They didn't know he had a no-trade clause until tonight? They never asked him in advance if he'd mind being included in the trade?

Something is strange about that.......

[boozehound]

^ no badabing you got it wrong. If this trade goes through he waives his Larry Bird rights, those rights which allow his team to go over the cap to resign him at the end of the year without having to cut into their MLE. With teams being more and more reluctant to go into their MLE, and very few teams having cap room, this is basically his last chance at a big contract after this season. His current team will be able to give him up to a 20% raise (because he's on a 1yr contract, as opposed to 10% raises on multiyear deals)

Basically, he's making 2.3 mil this yr. If he goes to NJ, they'd only be able to resign him for up 2.76 mil (2.3+ up to 20% raise) without dipping into their MLE. If he stays with Dallas, they can resign him at the end of the year for up to 5.3 mil without getting into their MLE. It's basically twice the money.
good breakdown DatZ

[RandomBalla55]

Every Dallas Maverick besides the one in that trade should whoop his ass at practice tommorrow.

He's a marked man in Dallas now.. :oldlol:

[DatZNasty]

paraphrased from DaMavs on db.com. I'm still not quite understanding the 5.3million figure though but he's always right on the CBA related things

[DatZNasty]

Every Dallas Maverick besides the one in that trade should whoop his ass at practice tommorrow.

He's a marked man in Dallas now.. :oldlol:
Mavs are the softest team in the NBA. Only person in that locker room who could beat him up is Stack or Josh. If it's 1 on 1, he'd murk everybody else easy.

From a site that's not i.s.h

[quote]Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the teams verbally agreed to a seven-player deal earlier Wednesday in which Dallas would have sent 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, center DeSagana Diop, guard Maurice Ager and George along with $3 million and two future first-round picks -- to the Nets for Kidd and forward Malik Allen. The teams were planning to submit the trade details for league approval when George informed the Mavericks that he wouldn't agree to being included. ESPN.com

"It would have been done tonight if not for [George]," said one team official involved in assembling what looked to be the NBA's third blockbuster deal this month. But Dallas, according to sources, is not optimistic about changing George's mind, meaning that both teams would likely have to put other players in the deal if the nine-year veteran can't be swayed. The Nets wanted George included because his contract expires at season's end, adding to their long-term salary savings from the transaction. "We're not trying to block anything," Bartlestein told ESPN.com. "The issue is that if he agrees to this deal, he has to give up his Bird rights. To lose that tool in today's world of free agency is a difficult thing to do. "In this day and age, the sign-and-trade is a valuable tool that I don't want to lose for Devean. We're not trying to cause a problem. Teams have to do what's in their best interest. Sometimes players do, too. I hate to cause grief, but I have to do what's best for Devean. It's not a power play. My job is to protect him." ESPN.com

If George's veto ends up quashing this trade, it would not be the first time that a lesser name caused a monumental deal to collapse. In the summer of 2000, Matt Geiger's refusal to waive his trade kicker squelched a four-team deal between the Sixers, Pistons, Lakers and Hornets that would have sent Allen Iverson to the Pistons. ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reports that the Nets and the Mavs were likewise poised to complete a separate trade that would send swingman Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick. ESPN.com

Unless George changes his mind, the Mavericks are going to have to put someone else in the deal who makes about what he makes -- $2.4 million. Dallas doesn't have anyone else making that money, so the Nets are going to have to put someone else in, too. "We

[rzp]

lol he just saved the Mavs from that horrible trade ...
good job George! :applause:

[SCREWstonRockets]

I don't get why the Mavs refused to give Nash the extension he wanted because of his age, but then go and trade for a PG who is older?

[Lakers Fan]

Wouldn't he agree to this deal if the Nets just agreed to buy him out and Dallas resigns him????:confusedshrug:

[Eldrunko247]

I don't get why the Mavs refused to give Nash the extension he wanted because of his age, but then go and trade for a PG who is older?
Don't forget they gave Damp a 70 mil contract. HAHA they could have just kept Nash for 60 something. Damp is trash.

[Qwyjibo]

The Mavericks are the dumb ones here. First for giving him a no-trade clause and then seemingly forgetting that he had it and might use it here.

I'd do the same thing. Stay on the better team and have at least the chance for a bigger contract after this one finishes. Just because the Mavs really want Jason Kidd shouldn't mean a thing to George.

[ALBballer]

I don't get why the Mavs refused to give Nash the extension he wanted because of his age, but then go and trade for a PG who is older?

Ye letting go of Nash was a big no-no, and considering the fact that it turned the Suns (one of the biggest opponents of the Mavs) to a powerhouse team makes it even worst.

[gts]

Qwyjibo
it's actually not a "no trade clause"..it's a rule in the CBA, that George is exercising...


The Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant is the only player in the league with a specific no-trade clause in his contract, but league rules dictate that it's a right George also possesses because he's on a one-year contract (worth $2.4 million) and because Dallas would have Early Bird rights to re-sign him this summer.

If such a player is traded, Bird rights are not traded with him. So league rules compensate for this by requiring George's consent in any trade.
espn.com

[boozehound]

Wouldn't he agree to this deal if the Nets just agreed to buy him out and Dallas resigns him????:confusedshrug:
as DatZ and others have pointed out, its mostly about his ability to get a bigger contract next year by not losing his bird rights.

[Qwyjibo]

Ahh ok. Still then, I don't blame George for looking out for his own interests. I would be doing the same thing. Like he said in that interview, there is still time before the trade deadline for the Mavs and Nets to work something else out.

When you're a scrubby player, money should be your #1 priority.

[gts]

Ahh ok. Still then, I don't blame George for looking out for his own interests. I would be doing the same thing. Like he said in that interview, there is still time before the trade deadline for the Mavs and Nets to work something else out.

When you're a scrubby player, money should be your #1 priority. yep i don't blame george either, he's exercising the very rule that was created to protect him in moments just like this, and save him from having to take a paycut just because a team wants to trade him...

in retrospect it was kinda dumb for the mavs to assume he'd blindly go along with it

he can still be moved but it will probably take a sign and trade to get it done..at which point he loses any attraction to new jersey

[eliteballer]

Mavs should just tell gump they'll bench his non-cooperating rear end if he doesn't let up. While the Nets should guarantee him PT.

[Rab]

He's doing the Mavs a favor.

[jasonterry]

You have to admire how DatzNasty respects guys who suck and go 0-11 yet he uses every opportunity possible to insult Dirk.

[magic chiongson]

theres no way the mavs will sign him for 5mil now lol

[DatZNasty]

You have to admire how DatzNasty respects guys who suck and go 0-11 yet he uses every opportunity possible to insult Dirk.
You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds

[Lakers Fan]

as DatZ and others have pointed out, its mostly about his ability to get a bigger contract next year by not losing his bird rights.

But Dallas isn't going to give him a great contract if he burns them on this deal anyway. Plus he is going to be getting paid on two different contracts this season if the Nets buy him out.

[Lakers13]

I dont blame D George he has the right to say where he can play, and I wouldnt want to play in the scrub ass East either.

[Lakers13]

You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds


Ouch

[jasonterry]

You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds

theres a sizable difference when you shoot poorly when being tripled teamed and when you miss wide open shots (which Is george). but you're delusional and think everyone on the mavs is good and it is all Dirk's fault.

[A Roc 23]

Nice info Datz.

I think this trade will still go through. DG really wasn't even a legit piece beyond being a 2.3 million expirer.

If it doesn't go through now you have a pissed off young point guard and an angry bench. Although I'm sure Devin understands, that still has to hurt.

[DatZNasty]

Nobody triple teamed Dirk. He got regular defensive attention anybody gets. You can't expect to spin through a crowd or try to back down dribble more than 3 times or drive within an arm's reach of another defender and not expect them to just stick their hand in. Dirk is just a softy who can't manage to shoot upwards of 40% against guys as much as 10 inches shorter than him and can't even move Daniel Gibson, Monta Ellis, or Tony Parker in the post. He got owned by Stephen Jackson that series, just the same as Posey did in the previous series. Maybe when he grows a set and starts to play in the paint, Dallas will win a title.

http://datznasty.freepgs.com/dirksjax.jpg

[MrEncinas]

After hearing why Devean George did it I don't blame him, it was the right/smart thing to do.

[meh]

But Dallas isn't going to give him a great contract if he burns them on this deal anyway. Plus he is going to be getting paid on two different contracts this season if the Nets buy him out.

What's the most he can sign for though? The minimum, pro-rated for 1/3 of the season, is not that much even if it is on top of his old contract.

The fact that Dallas "won't give him a great contract" has no bearing on his decision. His choices are

1. Go along with the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year and have to move to a different city for the next few months.

2. Refuse the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year... but with the potential, however slight, of earning more. And also doesn't have to leave his home.

Why would he NOT pick option #2?

[bk33]

^ no badabing you got it wrong. If this trade goes through he waives his Larry Bird rights, those rights which allow his team to go over the cap to resign him at the end of the year without having to cut into their MLE. With teams being more and more reluctant to go into their MLE, and very few teams having cap room, this is basically his last chance at a big contract after this season. His current team will be able to give him up to a 20% raise (because he's on a 1yr contract, as opposed to 10% raises on multiyear deals)

Basically, he's making 2.3 mil this yr. If he goes to NJ, they'd only be able to resign him for up 2.76 mil (2.3+ up to 20% raise) without dipping into their MLE. If he stays with Dallas, they can resign him at the end of the year for up to 5.3 mil without getting into their MLE. It's basically twice the money.
what i don't get is, 1st how could he still expects the Mavs to re-sign him after this stunt (S&T or not), 2nd how could he think he's gonna get a pay raise after this season when he barely played.

[Cannonball]

You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds
:oldlol:

[bdreason]

George blocks the trade then goes 0/11 from the field...

Im going to start calling him the "Mavs Killer".

[CaNt Be ToUcHeD]

What's the most he can sign for though? The minimum, pro-rated for 1/3 of the season, is not that much even if it is on top of his old contract.

The fact that Dallas "won't give him a great contract" has no bearing on his decision. His choices are

1. Go along with the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year and have to move to a different city for the next few months.

2. Refuse the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year... but with the potential, however slight, of earning more. And also doesn't have to leave his home.

Why would he NOT pick option #2?

everyones gonna hate him for being so selfish its not about him its about the mavericks and sleeping on this trade would be retarted

u gotta look at the interview if u havent already...he says "i gotta think abou t my self first"

[Lakers Fan]

What's the most he can sign for though? The minimum, pro-rated for 1/3 of the season, is not that much even if it is on top of his old contract.

The fact that Dallas "won't give him a great contract" has no bearing on his decision. His choices are

1. Go along with the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year and have to move to a different city for the next few months.

2. Refuse the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year... but with the potential, however slight, of earning more. And also doesn't have to leave his home.

Why would he NOT pick option #2?

Actually I believe he is opting for option #3.

3.Allowing the trade to go through after forcing the Nets or Dallas to give some kind of deal in the future.

But what I am confused about is why hasn't Cuban taken care of this already like I said in my earlier post.

[eliteballer]

Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."

[meh]

Actually I believe he is opting for option #3.

3.Allowing the trade to go through after forcing the Nets or Dallas to give some kind of deal in the future.

Probably. But that's contingent on him choosing to block the trade first.


But what I am confused about is why hasn't Cuban taken care of this already like I said in my earlier post.

I'm guessing the people involved forgot all about this clause.


everyones gonna hate him for being so selfish its not about him its about the mavericks and sleeping on this trade would be retarted

u gotta look at the interview if u havent already...he says "i gotta think abou t my self first"

I know he says that. But why is he wrong? I don't know why he would show more loyalty to a team who were just about to trade him, rather than to himself.


Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."

Probably because they'll then piss off every potential role-player FA in the future. Who'd want to sign with an organization so venomous to its players?

[Lakers Fan]

Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."

And his agent will come back with: "Secure us some kind of deal and we waive the clause. If you do not want to do it then fine. Say goodbye to Kidd and have fun getting motivation out of all the players you already halfway shoved out the door." Frankly I think he has MUCH more leverage than the Mavs do.

I hope things work out for DG. He's a good guy and one of the only players to be close friends with Kobe who is kind of an introvert.

[rs98762001]

I don't understand how this wasn't vetted by the Mavs' lawyers before the deal was made public. Someone's getting fired over this.

[Silverbullit]

You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds

How often did he do that? You are talking about games!
I only can remember 1 game!

[bagelred]

What is hilarious about this is that, after this debacle, George somehow believes he will be resigned by the Mavericks or that the Mavericks will help George in with a sign and trade. He just ruined their blockbuster trade, but wants Mavs to help him at year end? Too funny!!!

Just accept the trade. All George has to do is get assurances that Nets will buy him out, and then he can sign with someone else and make more money. That should make him happy.

[kentatm]

when is the last time a filler killed a deal? Wow:eek: This will be amazing if it kills the deal. I can't imagine it would, but I'm its going to force dallas to do something it doesnt want to do.

when a punk who demands a trade b/c he's pissey his crappy playing ass isnt getting PT and then when the team makes it so he throws his BS no trade clause that came from an odd quirk in the CBA rules in the teams face.

[TMac&Luther]

How often did he do that? You are talking about games!
I only can remember 1 game!

Your right, there's only been 1 game, one time in the history of the league a team has ever lost a elimination game against a 8th seed.....DatzNasty, you gotta fix that.

[kentatm]

Not that I really blame George. If he doesn't want to get traded, and he's in that rare position that he has the ability to stop it...can't blame him.

yea except for the fact that he was demanding through the papers a week or so ago that either the team needed to play him or trade so he could get his value up for a contract next year.

[kentatm]

The Mavericks are the dumb ones here. First for giving him a no-trade clause and then seemingly forgetting that he had it and might use it here.

I'd do the same thing. Stay on the better team and have at least the chance for a bigger contract after this one finishes. Just because the Mavs really want Jason Kidd shouldn't mean a thing to George.

they did NOT give him a no trade clause. b/c he was on a one year deal last year in Dallas and then signed another one year deal this year the rules of the CBA state that the no trade clause is automatically in place.

[kentatm]

the fact remains that George has already said if he isnt in the Mavs plans he wants to be moved.



George said before Sunday's game against the Detroit Pistons that, if his role remains limited, he would like the chance to play elsewhere in hopes of increasing his stock as an unrestricted free agent after the season.

link (http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/451041.html)

they grant him his wish and he throws the CBA in the teams face.

You CANT defend that.

not only did he just scuttle a major deal b/c of his selfishness, how the hell do you smooth things over with Harris who was about to be shipped out? He jsut destroyed the entire team.

and Datz, STFU with this defending him b/c he would lose his Bird rights and a chance at a bigger pay day. NOBODY would have signed his useless ass for even as much as he is getting this year let alone more b/c his story is always the same. He CANT F-ING shoot well b/c his shot selection flat out sucks and he WILL get hurt and have to miss several games. Any good he does on D is ruined by his offense being so god awful. All he ever does is jack up deep jumpers (usually just inside the 3point line) that rarely go in which cause easy fast break opportunities for other teams that the Mavs either give up easy buckets on or have to burn a foul to stop it. He is HORRIBLE. For all your complaining about Dirks performance in the playoffs last year (and dont even lie and say Dirk did not face double and triple teams the whole series) you know what George did with his wide open shots? Shot f-ing 20%.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Still not optimistic about the chance for Nets to keep him.

[Hstone]

Will this trade still go though

[Shepseskaf]

the fact remains that George has already said if he isnt in the Mavs plans he wants to be moved. they grant him his wish and he throws the CBA in the teams face.

You CANT defend that.
100% agreed. This is a puzzling move for George, and one can only conclude that he's getting bad advice. What team is going to sign him to a contract worth double his current terms? Certainly not the two teams involved in the trade.

Some people applauded him for "looking out for no. 1" but I don't see how this helps him, and plenty of ways that it hurts him.

[niko]

He's an idiot. His bird rights are worth nothing. If he stays in Dallas, they will NEVER resign him. So having Bird rights is useless. And coming a week after a trade request?

The only way his bird rights would mean anything if the nets decide he's a good influence on the kids and want to keep him BUT he refused to go there.

WTF.....

[Valliant13]

Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."

At least then he gets to go to the team he wants next year, instead of playing in a swamp with losers.

[loot]

George's agent, in fact, said Wednesday night there's still a chance his client will OK the trade.

"We didn't intend for this to be a line in the sand," Mark Bartelstein said by phone. "They (the Mavericks) brought this to us just before the game and I didn't think there was enough time to discuss it."


:oldlol:

[Hotlantadude81]

Devean George: "I'll be the bad guy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iBYXeUF5s8

The Mavs should bench him for the rest of the season and say that they're doing what is best for them. He sucks anyway.

[dirkdiggler41]

He says he wants to get traded
Complains about not getting playingtime
4weeks later he gets traded
Says no to the trade
Says that he looks like the badboy
No, he does not look like a badboy, but rather a crybaby
Its not like traded is something fun. People suddenly have to leave their familie and live out of suitcase, but when you are the 10th man and ask for a trade, you rather be happy for being traded. You make 2mill a year! I have no sympathy at all.

[bence23]

You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds
:D

[Real Men Wear Green]

There isn't a chance in hell the Mavs re-sign George, but he's awesome for doing this anyway. Baseball players hold up deals all the time to make the new team give them a new contract. Only reason to be mad at George is if you're a Mavs fan, and even then, he's just exercising his rights.

[Dwight_Howard12]

If this trade does happen. Then i'll hope Carter will come to Magic.

[kgisbigticket]

The deal can easily be fixed.

Nets/Mavs - Trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~429~2801~2982~992~2382~998~ 802&teams=6~6~6~17~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=)

Nets
- Harris
- Hassell
- Diop
- Ager
- Stackhouse

Mavs
- Kidd
- Allen
- Wright

Not sure why they aren't or haven't just done this deal yet.

Instead of sending Wright in a separate deal they can include him in the original one and switch George with Hassell


Besides once the deal goes down, the Mavs should buy out George's contract.

[Topdoglakers]

HOW in the world you trade 4 guys from your rotation to an aging 34 years old Pg.......and on top of that diop( xfactor)...Can u imagine Dampier going against a frontline of bynum-gasol(turiaf)- duncan-oberto and (elson) shaq and amare...Cuban should thank george for this.

[DatZNasty]

the fact remains that George has already said if he isnt in the Mavs plans he wants to be moved.



link (http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/451041.html)

they grant him his wish and he throws the CBA in the teams face.

You CANT defend that.

not only did he just scuttle a major deal b/c of his selfishness, how the hell do you smooth things over with Harris who was about to be shipped out? He jsut destroyed the entire team.

and Datz, STFU with this defending him b/c he would lose his Bird rights and a chance at a bigger pay day. NOBODY would have signed his useless ass for even as much as he is getting this year let alone more b/c his story is always the same. He CANT F-ING shoot well b/c his shot selection flat out sucks and he WILL get hurt and have to miss several games. Any good he does on D is ruined by his offense being so god awful. All he ever does is jack up deep jumpers (usually just inside the 3point line) that rarely go in which cause easy fast break opportunities for other teams that the Mavs either give up easy buckets on or have to burn a foul to stop it. He is HORRIBLE. For all your complaining about Dirks performance in the playoffs last year (and dont even lie and say Dirk did not face double and triple teams the whole series) you know what George did with his wide open shots? Shot f-ing 20%.
What makes you all think I like him so much anyways? I prefer him to Stackhouse, Hassell, and Jones, but would I really say I like him? Not really. It's just obviously in his best interest to get the most money he can. Nobody may think he's worth 5.3mil obviously next yr, but there's a chance he can get a deal up to that large to facilitate some sort of move. And FWIW, he shot 25% Stackhouse shot 31% Dirk shot 38%

Given the chance, I'd replace him with Terrence Kinsey in a New York minute and/or bring Reyshawn Terry back over.

[ChuckOakley]

The deal can easily be fixed.

Nets/Mavs - Trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~429~2801~2982~992~2382~998~ 802&teams=6~6~6~17~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=)

Nets
- Harris
- Hassell
- Diop
- Ager
- Stackhouse

Mavs
- Kidd
- Allen
- Wright

Not sure why they aren't or haven't just done this deal yet.

Instead of sending Wright in a separate deal they can include him in the original one and switch George with Hassell


Besides once the deal goes down, the Mavs should buy out George's contract.

Not really.

The Nets want George, not Hassell at 4.3M per year for 3 years.
George's salary is only 2.3 M and an expirer.

[nashisbest]

HOW in the world you trade 4 guys from your rotation to an aging 34 years old Pg.......and on top of that diop( xfactor)...Can u imagine Dampier going against a frontline of bynum-gasol(turiaf)- duncan-oberto and (elson) shaq and amare...Cuban should thank george for this.

i see your point

[Hstone]

Cant mavs just replace George with Eddie Jones as hes a expier for around the same place

[boozehound]

There isn't a chance in hell the Mavs re-sign George, but he's awesome for doing this anyway. Baseball players hold up deals all the time to make the new team give them a new contract. Only reason to be mad at George is if you're a Mavs fan, and even then, he's just exercising his rights.
yep

[bagelred]

George's Larry Bird rights are worthless now.

Does Devean really expect the Mavs to resign him this offseason or "sign and trade" him after this debacle? That will never happen now. Therefore, his Bird rights mean nothing. So, in essence, he is going to give up rights that he will never be able to use anyway. And he's simply pissing off an entire city and making himself look silly.

He should just accept the trade and try to get some more compensation out of the deal, and/or ask the Nets to buy him out so he can get a second contract and benefit.

[ChuckOakley]

HOW in the world you trade 4 guys from your rotation to an aging 34 years old Pg.......and on top of that diop( xfactor)...Can u imagine Dampier going against a frontline of bynum-gasol(turiaf)- duncan-oberto and (elson) shaq and amare...Cuban should thank george for this.


4 Rotation players? Who?

George sucks and is easily replace by Hassel, Jones, Wright, etc.


Stackhouse would be back with the team in 30 days

Diop is severly overrated, and critics have been blasting the Dallas front line for years even with Diop. If he were that important he would play more than 17 minutes a night. IMO Brandon Bass is a better player, and I much rather have him as a Nets fan.

Harris is the most important player that is going to be lost, and he is what? The 4th or 5th most important component of this team after Dirk, Howard, Terry and maybe Dampier?

Basically you give up your 4th or 5th most important player for the Nets most important player, and who will be the new leader of the Mavs. Not a bad deal.

[bagelred]

4 Rotation players? Who?

George sucks and is easily replace by Hassel, Jones, Wright, etc.


Stackhouse would be back with the team in 30 days

Diop is severly overrated, and critics have been blasting the Dallas front line for years even with Diop. If he were that important he would play more than 17 minutes a night. IMO Brandon Bass is a better player, and I much rather have him as a Nets fan.

Harris is the most important player that is going to be lost, and he is what? The 4th or 5th most important component of this team after Dirk, Howard, Terry and maybe Dampier?

Basically you give up your 4th or 5th most important player for the Nets most important player, and who will be the new leader of the Mavs. Not a bad deal.

I think that's why its a good trade for both teams. If Nets ain't winning now, why not get point guard of the future who has ever more upside.

Mavs get Kidd, and keep top four players (Dirk, Terry, Howard, Damp) on the team.

Win, win.....although in 2 years Mavs might regret it if Harris gets better.....

[DoubleTech]

deavan george is hilarious. who does he think he is? worrying about how much $ he's getting next year when it's obvious he'll be lucky to be in the league.

HELLO!?!?! McFLY!?!!? UR FRIGGEN DEAVAN GEORGE!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1825000/images/_1827617_fox150.jpg

[bagelred]

I think George is getting advice from Carlos Boozer.

[kentatm]

What makes you all think I like him so much anyways? I prefer him to Stackhouse, Hassell, and Jones, but would I really say I like him? Not really. It's just obviously in his best interest to get the most money he can. Nobody may think he's worth 5.3mil obviously next yr, but there's a chance he can get a deal up to that large to facilitate some sort of move. And FWIW, he shot 25% Stackhouse shot 31% Dirk shot 38%

Given the chance, I'd replace him with Terrence Kinsey in a New York minute and/or bring Reyshawn Terry back over.

why do I think this? What, are you like George and think people will forget things you recently said?


He has a point....

And we should pay him more

link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74319)

You said he should be paid more than he is already getting! I have no idea why b/c the Mavs OVERPAID him this summer in the first place.

link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74319)

There was NVER any chance he could have gotten a bigger deal. NEVER. Plus, HE DID NOT SHOOT 25%, he shot and even worse 20% in the playoffs. He was getting wide open jumpers and he shot 20%. Yet this clown thinks he is worth something more? This is AFTER HE DEMANDED A TRADE IF HE WAS NOT IN THE TEAMS PLANS.

DGs playoff stats (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/devean_george/career_stats.html)

How in the hell do you not get this? THEY GAVE HIM HIS WISH. Also for his agent to say they were told "Right before the game" is FALSE. George himself said last night he knew about it by at least 11am Dallas time. The game was not till 7pm. Yet his agent wasn't able to make any sense of it by then EVEN THOUGH HIS CLIENT HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE?

[Meticode]

I don't blame Devean honestly. If you see players like Kidd unhappy for the Nets, and Carter and Jefferson don't look too happy rightnow, why would you want to be traded to the Nets who are obviously giong to try to rebuild after this year when you're playing for a top West team rightnow?

[fallyous]

I hope everyone in the Mav's locker room goes outta their way to let him know that he is Devean George, a 10th man, and he cost the team a chance to get one of the best PGs ever. How does he get a no trade claus anyway?

[kentatm]

I don't blame Devean honestly. If you see players like Kidd unhappy for the Nets, and Carter and Jefferson don't look too happy rightnow, why would you want to be traded to the Nets who are obviously giong to try to rebuild after this year when you're playing for a top West team rightnow?

HE already demanded to be traded this year b/c he felt he wasn't getting enough PT to showcase himself for a new contract next year. He does not care about winning. You can't ask to be traded and then complain when it happens.


How does he get a no trade claus anyway?


Article VII: Section 8
(b) A player with a one-year Contract (excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the player's consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade).

link (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#85)

[DatZNasty]

Was a typo and should have been play but whatever, I stand by it. He's doing what's best for him. I don't at all like Ager, Stackhouse, Jones, or Hassell so liking George more than those 3 doesn't particularly mean much. It's not like those 3 are exactly lighting the world on fire with their shooting either. Jones has started 31 games and is shooting 35%, a scorching 3-16 for 9pts in his last 3 games. Whole team sucks really, I don't care ever since they got rid of most of the players I liked after the 02 season and changed their style. It's just funny to see everyone villainizing George for doing what the rule was specifically made to allow him to do, not put himself in a position whereby accepting a trade he loses potential millions.

Trade will probably still go through once he can get the Nets or Mavs to commit to what they're going to do with him after the season.

[Ghetto Phenom]

Was a typo and should have been play but whatever, I stand by it. He's doing what's best for him. I don't at all like Ager, Stackhouse, Jones, or Hassell so liking George more than those 3 doesn't particularly mean much. It's not like those 3 are exactly lighting the world on fire with their shooting either. Jones has started 31 games and is shooting 35%, a scorching 3-16 for 9pts in his last 3 games. Whole team sucks really, I don't care ever since they got rid of most of the players I liked after the 02 season and changed their style. It's just funny to see everyone villainizing George for doing what the rule was specifically made to allow him to do, not put himself in a position whereby accepting a trade he loses potential millions.

Trade will probably still go through once he can get the Nets or Mavs to commit to what they're going to do with him after the season.

He's not doing what's best for him. He made the most idiotic move that he could make. He already requested a trade from the Mavericks earlier in the season. If he was so worried about his "early Bird" rights, he should've thought of it then.

Secondly, there's no chance in HELL the Mavs will resign him after this season. No team is going to go over the cap to sign Devean George. It's just not gonna happen. He should've been happy to get to NJ where he'd have a shot at getting some PT and trying to earn a bigger contract or get re-signed. What an idiot.

[BballFan422]

I hope everyone in the Mav's locker room goes outta their way to let him know that he is Devean George, a 10th man, and he cost the team a chance to get one of the best PGs ever. How does he get a no trade claus anyway?

I'm sure that will go over well when he wears his 3 rings into the locker room and say "I'm Devean George Damnit".


He's not doing what's best for him. He made the most idiotic move that he could make. He already requested a trade from the Mavericks earlier in the season. If he was so worried about his "early Bird" rights, he should've thought of it then.

Secondly, there's no chance in HELL the Mavs will resign him after this season. No team is going to go over the cap to sign Devean George. It's just not gonna happen. He should've been happy to get to NJ where he'd have a shot at getting some PT and trying to earn a bigger contract or get re-signed. What an idiot.

I'm sure he realizes that Dallas is not planning on signing him next year (especially if he's on the trading block right now). Maybe he doesn't even want to sign with Dallas next year.

But, why would he want to go to the Nets w/o Kidd and possibly w/o Carter? What does that benefit him? Staying with Dallas, for the remainder of the season, means he doesn't have to uproot his family and may give him a 4th ring. He's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season and will have the opportunity to choose from interested teams.

Maybe I need to watch the video again but, I didn't hear him say "I'm not going to NJ". What he said was, "I'm waiting for my agent to explain, to me, what my options are. We have time." Any smart man would weigh his options before making a career decision. You think Harris or Diop wouldn't do the same thing if they had the opportunity?

Do you really think he cares about being hated in a city that he, most likely, won't be in after June? He should look out for HIS best interest, just like we all do when we make career decisions.

[jbot]

he may not be a great player, but he sure did shut down this trade deal. i guess he's just wanting to go against the grain and piss cuban off.

[bagelred]

I don't blame Devean honestly. If you see players like Kidd unhappy for the Nets, and Carter and Jefferson don't look too happy rightnow, why would you want to be traded to the Nets who are obviously giong to try to rebuild after this year when you're playing for a top West team rightnow?

Because the team doesn't want you. And you get to showcase your talents on the Nets and get playing time, to try to earn your next contract. HE ASKED FOR A TRADE TWO WEEKS AGO!!!!!!!

If i'm cuban, i tell George to "go home". period. He wouldn't play another minute for me ever. go home and rot and don't even think about asking for a sign and trade during the offseason. buh bye.

[BballFan422]

Because the team doesn't want you. And you get to showcase your talents on the Nets and get playing time, to try to earn your next contract. HE ASKED FOR A TRADE TWO WEEKS AGO!!!!!!!

If i'm cuban, i tell George to "go home". period. He wouldn't play another minute for me ever. go home and rot and don't even think about asking for a sign and trade during the offseason. buh bye.

He asked for a trade but, he still holds the cards re: what's acceptable to him.

Whether you send him home or not, you still gotta pay him. And I'm sure he would file a grievance with the player's union and make Cuban look like a fool. Why would he need a sign and trade? He's a free agent. And if you sign him for more money, you probably won't be able to trade him anyway.

Their best bet is to try to negotiate with him or rework the deal w/o him.

[bagelred]

He asked for a trade but, he still holds the cards re: what's acceptable to him.

Whether you send him home or not, you still gotta pay him. And I'm sure he would file a grievance with the player's union and make Cuban look like a fool. Why would he need a sign and trade? He's a free agent. And if you sign him for more money, you probably won't be able to trade him anyway.

Their best bet is to try to negotiate with him or rework the deal w/o him.

The whole point of stopping the trade was to keep his Bird rights. Bird rights only apply if team you are on wants to sign and trade you, or sign you for more money. You think Cuban will do either of those now? So in essence, George is keeping his Bird rights for no reason.

Of course, George CAN do this. He certaintly has the right to. But everyone else has the right to berate him and make his life miserable for the rest of his Dallas existence.

[PejaNowitzki]

The whole point of stopping the trade was to keep his Bird rights. Bird rights only apply if team you are on wants to sign and trade you, or sign you for more money. You think Cuban will do either of those now? So in essence, George is keeping his Bird rights for no reason.

Of course, George CAN do this. He certaintly has the right to. But everyone else has the right to berate him and make his life miserable for the rest of his Dallas existence.



In other words, just because you have a ***** card available does not mean that you should play it.

[ChrisConley]

don't know if someone else already thought of this, but maybe stern bribed him to use his clause. i mean in the interview with him, the reporter asked "why did you do this" point blank, and he totally avoided it saying he doesn't mind being the bad guy while looking out for his best interest. how is he looking out for his best interest? he doesn't say. stern did not want to deal with kidd going west before the all-star game (b/c then he's going to have to make up some new crazy rule and shake up the all-star game), so he has george hold out until after the all-star game. when the reporter was talking to george, it sounded like he was just holding it up temporarily to make sure everything was in order. it sounded like, he's definitely going to let the trade go thru, just not yet. why? b/c stern wants kidd to start for the east, where the fans voted him to start. boom!

[bagelred]

In other words, just because you have a ***** card available does not mean that you should play it.

Play what? It's not like George is benefitting. He's making himself look foolish and p-ssing off alot of people.

How is George "winning" by doing this? If i'm George, I go to NJ for two months, play hard and get my minutes, and try to earn a nice contract somewhere. On Dallas, a team that doesn't want him, he is not even going to play. Where is the logic? How are his Bird rights going to help him?

It's like a boss firing productive employees. You ask him, "Why did you do that"?. And he says "Because I can.". Just doesn't make sense, George is spiting himself.

[PejaNowitzki]

Play what? It's not like George is benefitting. He's making himself look foolish and p-ssing off alot of people.

How is George "winning" by doing this? If i'm George, I go to NJ for two months, play hard and get my minutes, and try to earn a nice contract somewhere. On Dallas, a team that doesn't want him, he is not even going to play. Where is the logic? How are his Bird rights going to help him?

It's like a boss firing productive employees. You ask him, "Why did you do that"?. And he says "Because I can.". Just doesn't make sense, George is spiting himself.


Just because he has the ABILITY to block the trade, doesn't mean that he should do it, for many many reasons.


Is that better? The guy is not special nor talented enough to be pulling this bull**** and I could see a lot of team's basically blacklisting him in the future.

[bagelred]

Just because he has the ABILITY to block the trade, doesn't mean that he should do it, for many many reasons.


Is that better? The guy is not special nor talented enough to be pulling this bull**** and I could see a lot of team's basically blacklisting him in the future.

So we agree?

[bagelred]

Just want to try something:

Hearts
Diamonds
Clubs
Spades

Oh, so you can write spades, I thought it was blocking it.

[BnchClearNBrawlR]

Dear Mr(s). George:
The reason you have your "LARRY FREAKIN' BIRD RIGHTS" is because Dallas signed your SORRY BUM AS$ TO A 1 YEAR DEAL 2 YEARS IN A ROW. Interpretation-"WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH FAITH IN YOU AND IF WE CAN GET SOMEONE BETTER NEXT YEAR WE WILL". Do you think that we'll actually help you now? Sure you screw us now with this garbage but AFTER THIS SEASON you won't be in the NBA AGAIN ...EVEEEEERRRRRRR.

"EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS YOU EFFIN' DUMMY!!!!"

[Gundress]

WOW!!!!!

My brother told me that last night Dallas fans were booing at Devean George and they're shouting "We Want Kidd, We Want Kidd".

[zadok]

My guess is this is a desperate attempt to stay in the league. If the trade goes through, maybe NJ lets him run for a couple of months and thanks him for his expiring contract. Or maybe they just cut him up front. It's probably going to backfire though, and niether team will want him next year.

[ElPigto]

Awesome, Van Horn might make some money for doing nothing. I'm very sure the next CBA is going to make sure these things don't happen anymore.

[bagelred]

His agent is feeding him bad advice. His agent thinks he's smart in not giving away rights, but he's not looking at the bigger picture. George is pissing off two organizations, other players, and a whole league of fans that will boo him during home games. His Bird rights mean diddly squat.

Plus every GM in the league is watching thinking "WTF is George doing. Really? Denying a Kidd trade? Is this scrub worth the trouble?"

[DatZNasty]

Ernie is the only TNT guy who actually understands the CBA.

[PejaNowitzki]

If I were the Mavs, I'd release that prick, let him go off and sign with the Lakers and the next time those two teams play, I'd send out some random goon to crack that f$%ker upside his head.

[Fubar]

If I were the Mavs, I'd release that prick, let him go off and sign with the Lakers and the next time those two teams play, I'd send out some random goon to crack that f$%ker upside his head.

Which would then lead to an investigation by the league which would most likely result in a fine and or suspension.

Nice post bud. :roll:

[PejaNowitzki]

Which would then lead to an investigation by the league which would most likely result in a fine and or suspension.

Nice post bud. :roll:



Investigation of what? The guy might happen to be going for a blocked shot...instead he blocks George's face and throws him to the floor. Accidents happen. :)

:rockon:

[Da KO King]

The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.

Not me.

[rapsfan3]

word i hate devean george hes a ***** for ruining this perfect trade

[PejaNowitzki]

The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.



Oh I know, that is why I am rooting for Dallas to go ahead and complete this trade before cooler heads prevail. I don't think that Dallas fans remember how badly the Spurs manhandled their team before Diop arrived on the scene, he'll be the biggest loss in this whole trade.

[DatZNasty]

Same with Harris. Dude has owned Tony Parker since he came into the league, dating all the way back to his rookie season when he hung 20 on him in the 4th alone, and it was adding Harris into the starting lineup that changed the series and allowed the Mavs to beat the Spurs for the first time.

[bagelred]

If I were the Mavs, I'd release that prick, let him go off and sign with the Lakers and the next time those two teams play, I'd send out some random goon to crack that f$%ker upside his head.

And a Happy Valentine's Day to you too.....

[hawkfan]

Devean George was right.

Dallas knew they couldn't include him in the deal without his consent, but they went ahead and did it.

They needed to ask him, and they either didn't or they didn't care.

The CBA is there to protect players, and it was negotiated by teams and the union.

If Dallas can do this to George, then other teams would do the same thing to other players.

[DatZNasty]

George made a good point though about how many athletes don't know all the legal jargon and loopholes in their contracts sometimes. It seems to me that they thought they could just pull one over on him and he wouldn't know he had power to veto it and maybe his agent called and let him know.

Because I can't believe that they really didn't know he had that power after having been signed twice to 1 yr deals.

[Cannonball]

So why did he shut it down?

[Da KO King]

Because I can't believe that they really didn't know he had that power after having been signed twice to 1 yr deals.
Don't be shocked.

Fans give these NBA suits far too much credit many times. These guys can be just as lazy as the next guy and only check into things when they feel they should.

Hell a few years ago the New England Patriots swindled the Washington Redskins out of two draft picks because the Redskins didn't fully understand a technicality.

[TheHonestTruth]

This punk was paid by the Lakers and David Stern to prevent the trade from happening.

Kidd is going to the Cavs. Mark my words.

[Sneakerpro]

Same with Harris. Dude has owned Tony Parker since he came into the league, dating all the way back to his rookie season when he hung 20 on him in the 4th alone, and it was adding Harris into the starting lineup that changed the series and allowed the Mavs to beat the Spurs for the first time.

Yeap we will still matchup with San Antonio and keeping getting raped by the Baron Davises,the Deron Williamses and Chris Pauls of the world.

[PejaNowitzki]

Same with Harris. Dude has owned Tony Parker since he came into the league, dating all the way back to his rookie season when he hung 20 on him in the 4th alone, and it was adding Harris into the starting lineup that changed the series and allowed the Mavs to beat the Spurs for the first time.


Harris and Diop were the keys to me that year in the playoffs.....now the Mavs are trading both for an aging point guard.

[Topdoglakers]

The thing I find most amusing is that D. George is delaying the Mavs from making a huge mistake yet majority of their "fans" are rushing for it to happen.



COSING.....EVERY MAVS FANS SHOULD THANK GEORGE..TRADIN 4 ROTATION PLAYER FOR A 35 YEAR PG...AND LEAVIN DAMPIER TO DEFEEN DUNCAN-OBERTO-ELSON...SHAQ-AMARE...GASOL-BYNUM-TURIAF..BOOZER-MILLSAP AND COLLINS....DALLAS ARE STUPID TO MAKE THIS TRADE..PLAYOFFS IS ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS..I GUESS THEY DIDNT GET THERE LESSON FROM LAST YEAR

[Topdoglakers]

Oh I know, that is why I am rooting for Dallas to go ahead and complete this trade before cooler heads prevail. I don't think that Dallas fans remember how badly the Spurs manhandled their team before Diop arrived on the scene, he'll be the biggest loss in this whole trade.



You almost copied my post :0)...people don't realise Diop is the Xfactor...imagine dampier against shaq,amare,bynum gasol,duncan oberto....dallas are plain ignorant for going with this trade.

[dejordan]

You almost copied my post :0)...people don't realise Diop is the Xfactor...imagine dampier against shaq,amare,bynum gasol,duncan oberto....dallas are plain ignorant for going with this trade.
does anyone remember what duncan did to the mavs in the 2006 playoffs with diop starting opposite him? he killed them. 1 game over 40, 4 over 30, 1 over 25, and his lowest scoring game was 24 points ... diop only played 6 minutes of that one. if you're concerned about depth that's fine. or team d. but let's not go overboard pretending that diop is some kind of all-nba big man lockdown defender.

[Topdoglakers]

does anyone remember what duncan did to the mavs in the 2006 playoffs with diop starting opposite him? he killed them. 1 game over 40, 4 over 30, 1 over 25, and his lowest scoring game was 24 points ... diop only played 6 minutes of that one. if you're concerned about depth that's fine. or team d. but let's not go overboard pretending that diop is some kind of all-nba big man lockdown defender.

the only thing i remember is the game 6 or 7..2 years ago..the game was on overtime in san antonio and diop stopped duncan 3 or 4 times in row with 2 blocks...and the mavs beat them..

[Silverbullit]

the only thing i remember is the game 6 or 7..2 years ago..the game was on overtime in san antonio and diop stopped duncan 3 or 4 times in row with 2 blocks...and the mavs beat them..

In game 7 Dirk blocked Duncan with 0 seconds to play to send them to overtime.
At the start of overtime Diop blocked Duncan once.

Duncan had 41 points and 15 rebounds.
Dirk had 37 points and 15 rebounds.

http://www.nba.com/games/20060522/DALSAS/playbyplay.html

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Kobe better send a little something George's way for blocking this deal. He held up the process and it's looking real slim now with the Stackhouse ordeal. Wouldn't it be ironic if LA wins the title and sign George in the off-season.

[evinecz]

:banana:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Who knew the fifth Beatle had this type of clout?

[rawimpact]

You guys do know george is getting paid by the lakers under the table right?

I mean, i am a laker fan and i know this is happenings. Boston is also slipping him some money as well as the timberwolves for some reason.

[BFRESH44]

What's going to happen with this situation is that a 3rd team will need to be involved.

Heaters got the expiring contracts fillers to make something happen...:pimp:

I want draft picks.

[Da KO King]

Can someone that is bashing Devean George for doing this please explain to me how adding Jason Kidd makes Dallas a legit title contender?

[DatZNasty]

Can someone that is bashing Devean George for doing this please explain to me how adding Jason Kidd makes Dallas a legit title contender?
because he's Jason Kidd!! That's all anybody says. Mention how Harris is faster, defends better at this point in their careers against fast guards, shoots 12% better from the field, and people will just say, "but he's Jason Kidd!" I'll admit, his name alone does bring a new excitement from a fan perspective, but I'd rather ride with what we have if we have to give up that much, but then again I don't think you can bring Harris back at this point

[BFRESH44]

I hoenstly don't see how it gets done.

Stackhouse probably won't even report given his dumbass comments. And Dallas doesn't have that any other expiring fillers outside Diop and George(even if they go ahead and do the KVH thing, it's not enough)..And I'm sure New Jersey doesn't want to touch Trenton Hassel's contract.

As long as George stays content on staying with Dallas, it's not happening.

[DatZNasty]

^ KVH is enough. His final contract yr was 16mil so the Mavs can sign him for anything up to 17.6mil (10% raises) to make it fit. Problem from the Mavs side is, that puts them 17.6 or however far more over the cap so they have to pay luxury tax on it, effectively making him cost 35million

If they wanted to replace George, they could just sign him for 2.4, if they wanted to replace George and Stackhouse (assuming NJ would allow it), they could sign him for 9.1

[Mango]

_ason Kidd to Dallas = Gary Payton v2.0 (Lakers)

[insidehoops]

Bump

[soog]

First off, I hate this trade. I wouldn't trade Harris for Kidd straight up. When we don't win the championship this year or next, 3 years from now we will regret this. Then losing Diop is idiotic as well, especially after the two big man acquisitions made by phoenix and LA.

The only thing that could possibly salvage it would be a move like acquiring kurt thomas. Don't know what pieces we have left to even make this work but it was discussed here sometime ago.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/351261_sonx14.html

[BigAl]

First off, I hate this trade. I wouldn't trade Harris for Kidd straight up. When we don't win the championship this year or next, 3 years from now we will regret this. Then losing Diop is idiotic as well, especially after the two big man acquisitions made by phoenix and LA.



3 years from now you will be faced with Dirk/Howard/Terry/Damp at these ages; 32/30/33/35. Stackhouse will definitely be gone also (36). This means that if we dont win the championship in 3 years, odds of us winning after that are slim to none.

So if Harris hits his peak in 3 years it will be irrelevant because the prominent core on the team will be on the decline and past their prime. Sure Kidd will probably be gone, but who cares at that point.

So we can give it our all for the next 3 years with a hall-of-fame PG since we will have to start thinking about rebuilding in a few years anyway.

As far as Diop, he has been on the decline all season anyway. I dont see that as a big loss, but, even if Cuban wants to bring him back he will be a free agent at the end of the year anyway because Im sure NJ will let him expire.

[soog]

i sure hope you're right big al. I loved kidd back in the day, and I like that cuban's ready to pay up for talent (a few years too late in my opinion, curious where we'd be with jamison and nash still on the team). I'm just scared that we might be mortgaging even year 2 and 3 if this season doesn't pan out.

my biggest fear is who we throw at shaq, gasol, and duncan when damp fouls out at half time.

[BigAl]

i sure hope you're right big al. I loved kidd back in the day, and I like that cuban's ready to pay up for talent (a few years too late in my opinion, curious where we'd be with jamison and nash still on the team). I'm just scared that we might be mortgaging even year 2 and 3 if this season doesn't pan out.

my biggest fear is who we throw at shaq, gasol, and duncan when damp fouls out at half time.

Trust me, I hope Im right too! I tried to think about it logically taking everything into consideration. But Im also crossing my fingers!!

You have a legit concern with the other bigs in the west. Im thinking the Mavs are not done yet (technically they cant be because now they have 2 roster spots open). Maybe they can snag Kurt Thomas from the Sonics if they buy him out?

By the way, Van Horn gave his consent a little while ago so it looks as if it is going to go down:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=354422

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/02/kidd_trade_by_nets_is_all_but.html

[soog]

So it looks like the general consensus is that KVH has agreed and that the league will approve this deal tomorrow. I have to think Donnie has something else up his sleeve because:

A) we are receiving two players we don't need in this trade
B) we gave up, what is in my opinion, a very valuable piece in Diop leaving us short at the center postion.
C) like Big Al said, we now have 2 empty roster spots.

Anyone have any realistic speculations as to what this next move might be other than the aforementioned Kurt Thomas?

[BigAl]

One thing I didnt think of. What if the under the table plan is for NJ to waive Diop immediately. Could Dallas resign him then?

I mean NJ has Josh Boone and Sean Williams, not sure what they would do with Diop.

[Alan]

They have Krstic and Swift aswell. And when Curly is playing better and better each day, Diop might not even get the minutes of Jason Collins.

[soog]

yeah I was wondering about Diop being released and resigning, but had no idea why A) no one else has mentioned that possibility and B) why the mavs wouldn't just sign KVH for 4mil + Diops value, and not even worry about "trading" him.