Post your top 10 players of all time

[Dwight_Howard12]

My top 10:

10. Julius Erving
9. Karl Malone
8. Shaq
7. Oscar Robertson
6. Kareem Abdul Jabar
5. Larry Bird
4. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
2. Wilt Chamberlain
1. Michael Jordan

[Psileas]

(Just missed: Tim Duncan-but still didn't retire, Julius Erving)
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Jerry West
8. Oscar Robertson
7. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Larry Bird
5. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Michael Jordan
1. Wilt Chamberlain

[Richie2k6]

Roughly off the top of my head. A bit more bias than fact.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Roberston

[Younggrease]

how do people have Oscar Robinson over Tim Duncan?

[kwajo]

1. Larry Bird
2. Michael Jordan
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Duncan
9. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Oscar Robertson

A lot of that is personal preference though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[VCMVP1551]

1.Michael Jordan
2.Magic Johnson
3.Shaquille O'Neal
4.Kareem Abdul Jabbar
5.Larry Bird
6.Wilt Chamberlain
7.Bill Russell
8.Hakeem Olajuwon
9.Jerry West
10.Tim Duncan

[Lakers13]

1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Jordan
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Hakeem
8. West
9. Robertson
10. Shaq

[Mango]

1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Jordan
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe
7. West
8. Hakeem
9. Mailman
10. Dr. J

[dejordan]

that is so hard... what's the relative value of bird and shaq? oscar and russell? are you concerned about who can carry a team best or who leads a team best? wins or stats? longevity or peak play? clutch performances or steady dominance?

Hell it's tough to come up with a top ten of guys I've seen much less everyone ever. I'll give it a try though. I tend to weigh clutch performance (do you come up bigger than everyone else when it matters most?), overall dominance (does the other team have to change its game to try to beat you?), and versatility (the ability to help your team win in multiple ways and multiple styles of play), so that's how my rankings are going to look.

10. Oscar
9. Duncan
8. Hakeem
7. Russell
6. Shaq
5. Kareem
4. Wilt
3. Bird
2. Magic
1. Michael

And that is one hell of a 1980s bias! (although seeing kareem play at an advanced age probably swung him down the ladder). It's very difficult to make objective choices with guys you haven't seen. I've watched enough ball to know that tallying a guy's rings and summing up his stats isn't enough to really know the player, so I'm going to underrate guys I haven't seen a lot of. Other posters might put more stock in numbers and overrate those same guys. Whatever. Making lists is entertaining.

[BA_God]

all time top 10 great players, in no order.

Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain.
Kareem AbdulJavaar.
Oscar Robertson.
Magic Johnson.
Larry Bird.
Hakeem Olajuwan.
Michael Jordan.
Shaquille O'neal.
and Tim Duncan.

[Richie2k6]

all time top 10 great players, in no order.

Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain.
Kareem AbdulJavaar.
Oscar Robertson.
Magic Johnson.
Larry Bird.
Hakeem Olajuwan.
Michael Jordan.
Shaquille O'neal.
and Tim Duncan.
In no order, I think we can almost all agree with that.

[Prancing_Tim]

10. Shaquille Oneal
9. Abdul-Jabbar
8. Tim Duncan
7. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
5. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Andrew Bynum
3. Hakeem
2. Magic Johnson
1. Michael Jordan

[steve]

In order of time period:
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Julius Erving
Larry Bird
Magic Johson
Michael Jordan
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan.

[kgisbigticket]

1 Jordan
2 Kareem
3 Shaq
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Bird
7 Wilt
8 Hakeem
9 Duncan
10 West

I don't think you can be the GOAT unless you are great on both ends of the court and you have the accolades. MJ and Kareem are the only ones who really fit that criteria.

[BigTicket]

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Oscar

[Fedor - Laker]

In no order, I think we can almost all agree with that.
QFT.

[Psileas]

Terrible list. Russell isn't top 10 all-timel...

No need to read further...


1 Jordan
2 Kareem
3 Shaq
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Bird
7 Wilt
8 Hakeem
9 Duncan
10 West

I don't think you can be the GOAT unless you are great on both ends of the court and you have the accolades. MJ and Kareem are the only ones who really fit that criteria.

And Wilt, whom you rank 7th didn't dominate at both ends of the floor more than possibly anyone above him or 4 MVP's, 2 titles and 4 more Finals' appearances are worse accolades than the ones Bird or Shaq have?

[miles berg]

1. Michael Jordan (I flip flop on him & Jabbar all the time, so tough)
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Tim Duncan
9. Isiah Thomas (sue me, the guy was unbelievable on both ends)
10. Bill Russell

[Wuxia]

1. JOrdan
2. Wilt
3. Russel
4. Kareem
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Oscar Robertson
8. Jerry West
9. Shaq
10. Tim Duncan

Barely missing the cut: Hakeem, Julius Erving..

[omarnyc]

how many people on this forum actually saw bill russell, wilt, oscar play? i know they are all-time greats but my list have to include the players i grew up watching.
1.michael jordan....GOAT
2.bernard king
3.hakeem olajuwan
4.magic johnson
5.larry bird
6.shaq
7.charles barkley
8.kobe bryant
9.karl malone
10.tim duncan

[LBJ 4 MVP]

10. Duncan
9. Oscar
8. Hakeem
7. Russell
6. Shaq
5. Kareem
4. Magic
3. Bird
1.
a MJ
b Wilt

Just cant choose between those two, if I have to choose one, it's Jordan though.



how many people on this forum actually saw bill russell, wilt, oscar play? i know they are all-time greats but my list have to include the players i grew up watching.
I never actually saw those players play live obviously, but I have seen lots and lots of gametape from that era, and I still don't know whether to rank Wilt or MJ first.

[omarnyc]

10. Duncan
9. Oscar
8. Hakeem
7. Russell
6. Shaq
5. Kareem
4. Magic
3. Bird
1.
a MJ
b Wilt

Just cant choose between those two, if I have to choose one, it's Jordan though.


I never actually saw those players play live obviously, but I have seen lots and lots of gametape from that era, and I still don't know whether to rank Wilt or MJ first.

yeah i watched some game tape from that era a few times and im not gonna lie its hard to watch sometimes, i guess im use to the game being much faster with better athletes

[Psileas]

how many people on this forum actually saw bill russell, wilt, oscar play? i know they are all-time greats but my list have to include the players i grew up watching.

First of all, you don't have to have watched someone play/live to at least form an educated opinion. Else, history would be a worthless subject in general.
Second, you express this opinion, then you call someone GOAT. Double standard.
Third, King over Bird/Magic/Shaq/Hakeem/Malone and a few others? It's your opinion, of course, but I still can't help but express my disagreement.

[Glove_20]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt

Then I'm not really sure how I want to order, O'Neal, Magic, Russell, and Bird. I need to some day take some time off and really think about it. After that its

8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Big O

It's all pretty close too

[Magic_Johnson]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
5. Kareem
6. Larry Bird
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Oscar Robertson

[Niquesports]

My top 10:

10. Julius Erving
9. Karl Malone
8. Shaq
7. Oscar Robertson
6. Kareem Abdul Jabar
5. Larry Bird
4. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
2. Wilt Chamberlain
1. Michael Jordan

Good list but Elgin Baylor has to be over karl Malone and Dr J I might have to add Jerry West also

[Prancing_Tim]

Did someone just include Bynum?

[Niquesports]

how many people on this forum actually saw bill russell, wilt, oscar play? i know they are all-time greats but my list have to include the players i grew up watching.
1.michael jordan....GOAT
2.bernard king
3.hakeem olajuwan
4.magic johnson
5.larry bird
6.shaq
7.charles barkley
8.kobe bryant
9.karl malone
10.tim duncan

IF you can read anyone of any age can see that Wilt avg. 50 points one season and scored 100 in a game and in todays world just youtube Wilt

[Deuce Bigalow]

bump

[Deuce Bigalow]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. George Mikan

11. Wilt Chamberlain

[t-rex]

I can't believe how many lists in this thread don't have Kobe anywhere in the top ten.

Blinded by hate.:facepalm

[Heavincent]

I can't believe how many lists in this thread don't have Kobe anywhere in the top ten.

Blinded by hate.:facepalm

The thread was made in 2008. The vast majority of basketball fans have Kobe in their top 10 now, and rightfully so.

[t-rex]

The thread was made in 2008. The vast majority of basketball fans have Kobe in their top 10 now, and rightfully so.


I stand corrected. Thank you for keeping me sane.:banghead:

[jb220]

Even in 08 KOBE was top 5

[Alamo]

I can't believe how many lists in this thread don't have Kobe anywhere in the top ten.

Blinded by hate.:facepalm

Most of these lists were made 4 years ago. Kobe had 3 rings, 0 MVPs, and 0 FMVPS at that point.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The thread was made in 2008. The vast majority of basketball fans have Kobe in their top 10 now, and rightfully so.
Yeah.

Kobe Bryant's ranking compared to the top 25 players of all-time

Championships (5) - 5th, tied with Johnson
Finals MVPs (2) - 5th, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Olajuwon, Reed
MVPs (1) - 11th, tied with O'Neal, Robertson, Olajuwon, Erving, Barkley, Robinson, Cousy
Top 5 Finishes in MVP Voting (9) - 5th, tied with Johnson, Bird, Duncan, Malone, Robertson
All-NBA Teams (13) - 4th, tied with Duncan
All-Defensive Teams (11) - 2nd tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Garnett
All-Star Teams (14) - 3rd, tied with Jordan, Garnett, Malone, West
All-NBA First Teams (9) - 8th, tied with Duncan
Scoring Titles (2) - 3rd, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal
Points (29,357) - 5th
Playoff Points (5,280) - 3rd

Top 25 players of all-time list by SLAM (http://www.interbasket.net/news/7683/2011/04/top-500-nba-players-of-all-time-slam/)

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Shaquille O’Neal
5. Oscar Robertson
6. Magic Johnson
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
8. Tim Duncan
9. Larry Bird
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Hakeem Olajuwon
14. Bob Petit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. John Havlicek
18. Karl Malone
19. Isiah Thomas
20. Charles Barkley
21. Rick Barry
22. John Stockton
23. Elvin Hayes
24. Bob Cousy
25. David Robinson

He is top 5 in 9 out of 11 categories, top 3 in 3 of them.

[gengiskhan]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Wilt Chamberlin
5. Larry Bird
6. Hakeem Olaijuwon
7. Bill Russell
8. Shaq O' Neal
9. Oscar Robertson
10.Tim Duncan

[Deuce Bigalow]

9. Oscar Robertson

1 x Champion
0 x Finals MVP

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/10/28/f6576483-1360-463a-9f33-9252aa037480.gif

[blablabla]

1.mj
2.bill russell
3.magic
4.bird
5.wilt
6.kareem
7.kobe
8.shaq
9.duncan
10.dream

[Faptastrophe]

Well.. this is how I see it:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Earvin Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Jerry West
11. Kobe Bryant
..
..
16. LeBron James
..
..
..
39. Steve Nash

[gengiskhan]

1 x Champion
0 x Finals MVP

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/10/28/f6576483-1360-463a-9f33-9252aa037480.gif

Big O's first 7 NBA seasons are triple double stat wise. :bowdown: :bowdown:
Big O is the only one in NBA history to have Triple double season which is near impossible for 6'4" backcourt player playing with scrubs every night.
Big O first 7 yrs with bucks had ZERO help as big men.

Big O's stats were deliberately overlooked for MVP because he played for garbage franchise. hence ZERO trophies. MVPs etc etc

Big O played in an era when stats, rules favored Big Men & Centers.

Big O will have 3-4 reg sea MVP in under 2000 decade rules if Lebron can have 2 MVPs.

Today's rules, Big O will mope the floor with shot jocker like Kobe easily.

Oscar is absolutely legit guaranteed Top 10 GOATs over Kobe & West any given day who had the luxury of collecting consolidation MVP or playing for dominant big men or playing for Lakers franchise.

[pauk]

(bold means active players)

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille Oneal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Julius Erving
13. Jerry West
14. Moses Malone
15. Karl Malone
16. Lebron James
17. David Robinson
18. Dirk Nowitzki
19. Charles Barkley
20. Elgin Baylor
21. Isiah Thomas
24. Kevin Garnett
25. John Havlicek
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Gary Payton
28. John Stockton
29. Patrick Ewing
30. Walt Frazier
31. George Gervin
32. Allen Iverson
33. Bob Pettit
34. Bob Cousy
35. Elvin Hayes
36. Willis Reed
37. Rick Barry
38. Dwyane Wade
39. Clyde Drexler
40. Dominique Wilkins
41. Kevin McHale
42. Steve Nash
43. Alex English
44. Dave Cowens
45. George Mikan
46. Pete Maravich
47. Paul Pierce
48. Nate Archibald
49. Sam Jones
50. Paul Arizin

[FatComputerNerd]

Kobe is not top 10. Barely makes it into top 15.

Based not on accomplishments (titles, etc) but on talent.

[gengiskhan]

Kobe is not top 10. Barely makes it into top 15.

i've said this 1000 times. PER, efficiency, stats, trophies everything is against Kobe for someone playing for 15+ yrs.

Kobe is 11th or 12th at most. He just isnt Top 10 GOATs.

TBH, ESPN & NBA media has done a fantastic job in convincing fans that Kobe is Guaranteed Top 10. & often picked over Hakeem & Oscar.

2004 loss & 2008 loss is never factored in.

that 2004 loss is solely on Kobe & also costed Shaq guaranteed Top 6 GOAT spot had Shaq won his 4th FMVP.

Kobe will only be farely judged 10 yrs after he retired which will probably be 12th spot.

Kobe is only guaranteed Top 15 GOATs currently.

[pauk]

Kobe is not top 10. Barely makes it into top 15.

Based not on accomplishments (titles, etc) but on talent.

Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley
Prime Grant Hill

[PickernRoller]

i've said this 1000 times. PER, efficiency, stats, trophies everything is against Kobe for someone playing for 15+ yrs.

Kobe is 11th or 12th at most. He just isnt Top 10 GOATs.

TBH, ESPN & NBA media has done a fantastic job in convincing fans that Kobe is Guaranteed Top 10. & often picked over Hakeem & Oscar.

2004 loss & 2008 loss is never factored in.

that 2004 loss is solely on Kobe & also costed Shaq guaranteed Top 6 GOAT spot had Shaq won his 4th FMVP.

Kobe will only be farely judged 10 yrs after he retired which will probably be 12th spot.

Kobe is only guaranteed Top 15 GOATs currently.


Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley
Prime Grant Hill

:violin:

[gengiskhan]

Kobe is not top 10. Barely makes it into top 15.

Based not on accomplishments (titles, etc) but on talent.

some ***** here belive Kobe is most talented :lol :lol

His passing talent, rebounding talent is still questioned.

Even his scoring talent is extremely streaky even in his prime. one of the reasons he cannot have a single 47+%FG in his 16 yrs of career.

[LamarOdom]

Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA oh I forgot ISH has smilies :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Wilt more talented than Kobe:yaohappy:

[Heavincent]

Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley
Prime Grant Hill

http://www.mylespaul.com/gallery/data/720/implied-facepalm.jpg

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

anyone who has Kareem outside the top 5 should not be allowed to discuss professional basketball.

[blablabla]

Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley
Prime Grant Hill
never go full retard

[boxclever]

Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley
Prime Grant Hill
http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/78909/larry-david-faint.gif

[D-Wade316]

(bold means active players)

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille Oneal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Julius Erving
13. Jerry West
14. Moses Malone
15. Karl Malone
16. Lebron James
17. David Robinson
18. Dirk Nowitzki
19. Charles Barkley
20. Elgin Baylor
21. Isiah Thomas
24. Kevin Garnett
25. John Havlicek
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Gary Payton
28. John Stockton
29. Patrick Ewing
30. Walt Frazier
31. George Gervin
32. Allen Iverson
33. Bob Pettit
34. Bob Cousy
35. Elvin Hayes
36. Willis Reed
37. Rick Barry
38. Dwyane Wade
39. Clyde Drexler
40. Dominique Wilkins
41. Kevin McHale
42. Steve Nash
43. Alex English
44. Dave Cowens
45. George Mikan
46. Pete Maravich
47. Paul Pierce
48. Nate Archibald
49. Sam Jones
50. Paul Arizin


Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley
Prime Grant Hill
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yleEs15g51w/TlrawTwZSrI/AAAAAAAABQY/gnyx4k2pzcQ/s1600/tommy-lee-jones-implied-face-palm.png

[JMT]

In no particular order...and yes, I saw all of them play live...

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Oscar
Duncan
Bryant
Olajuwon

One thing this thread shows for certain is that nobody in the last 20 years has marketed themselves as successfully as Shaq.

[AlphaWolf24]

never seen Big O , Wilt , Russ or Kareem(Prime)..so unlike most people I will give you the top 10 players I actually watched (since 1980)

1.Magic
2.MJ
3.Kobe
4.Bird
5.Duncan
6.Shaq
7.Pippen
8.Dream
9.Mchale
10.DrJ/Wade/Dirk

[AlphaWolf24]

In no particular order...and yes, I saw all of them play live...

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Oscar
Duncan
Bryant
Olajuwon

One thing this thread shows for certain is that nobody in the last 20 years has marketed themselves as successfully as Shaq.


and most people just spew BS....98% of the people here nevere seen 8 of thier top 10 ever play:lol

[Round Mound]

1-MJ
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Shaq
5-Hakeem
6-Duncan
7-Barkley
8-Bird
9-Magic
10-Big 0

[blacknapalm]

1) MJ
2) Kareem
3) Magic
4) Wilt
5) Bird
6) Russell
7) Shaq
8) Hakeem
9) Duncan
10) M. Malone

[caliman]

1-MJ
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Shaq
5-Hakeem
6-Duncan
7-Barkley
8-Bird
9-Magic
10-Big 0


Barkley at 7?:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Ahead of Bird and Magic?:roll: :roll:

[StateOfMind12]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Wilt Chamberlain

I'm at a toss up between Shaq and Bird and Kobe and Duncan. Those two could change on any given day but today I'm feeling Shaq should be ahead of Bird and Kobe should be ahead of Duncan.

[Odinn]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1. Michael Jordan
3. Bill Russell
4. Larry Bird
5. Magic Johnson
6. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Tim Duncan
6. Wilt Chamberlain

For 9th and 10th spot; there are 3 candidates for me, I couldn't decide which one should be left outside of the top 10;
Moses, Kobe, Hakeem.

[talkingconch]

I can't believe how many lists in this thread don't have Kobe anywhere in the top ten.

Blinded by hate.:facepalm
2008 thread dude, Kobe had 2 less championships back then

[talkingconch]

Based on talent alone? Yea, probably... i would say these players were definitely more talented than Kobe:

Wilt
Oscar
Jordan
Lebron LOLOL!
Hakeem
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Magic
Dr. J
Bernard King
K. Malone
M. Malone
Barkley LMAO!
Prime Grant Hill LMAO!
laughable post, so you'd put any one of those guys AHEAD of Kobe?

Just stop.

some of these posters' intelligence is questionable, especially Round Mound. Not saying you can't express your opinion but wow

[BGriffin's Dad]

Jordan
Magic
Wilt
Kareem
Bird
Russell
Kobe
Shaq
Griffin
Duncan

[Odinn]

Jordan
Magic
Wilt
Kareem
Bird
Russell
Kobe
Shaq
Griffin
Duncan

Goat post.

[RazorBaLade]

jordan
wilt
russell
kareem
magic
bird
shaq
duncan
kobe
hakeem

I'm happy with my t4, but the rest really is kind of loose. I can have shaq over bird and maybe magic if I was in a mindset of just who's more dominate, but then I could also have kobe be over someone like shaq if I'm in a dude, shaq cant play 4th quarters or in the clutch mindset. BUt I like the t4 because kareem has both stats and rings, russell has the ridiculous rings, wilt has the ridiculous stats, and jordan is a little of all 3 of them in 1 pot + clutchness.

[RazorBaLade]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Wilt Chamberlain

I'm at a toss up between Shaq and Bird and Kobe and Duncan. Those two could change on any given day but today I'm feeling Shaq should be ahead of Bird and Kobe should be ahead of Duncan.

What is the thought process behind a list like this? You obviously have russell that high because of his achievements, which is fine, but then how do you justify hakeem being at 5? He has to be there not because of achievements but because of pure skill. If pure skill matters that much then why is wilt so low? Is it contradictory?

[albas89]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Magic Johnson
4. Bill Russell
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant

Honorable mention: Oscar Robertson

[Round Mound]

Barkley at 7?:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Ahead of Bird and Magic?:roll: :roll:

Higher PER
More Dominant
More Efficient

And he didn`t play with a Great Cast in his Prime and Their Primes

PF: Bird is my 2nd favorite Player BTW

[LamarOdom]

Higher PER
More Dominant
More Efficient

And he didn`t play with a Great Cast in his Prime and Their Primes

PF: Bird is my 2nd favorite Player BTW

Look I don't care that you have Chuck before Larry but to use PER as an argument, that's just weak.

[LockoutOver11]

damn i thought this was favorite top 10... wont bother with greatest 10, **** would i know...

[Round Mound]

Look I don't care that you have Chuck before Larry but to use PER as an argument, that's just weak.

[B]MJ N

[LockoutOver11]

Look I don't care that you have Chuck before Larry but to use PER as an argument, that's just weak.

what wait.... thats absurd. larry >

[Big#50]

KAJ
Shaq/Duncan
MJ
Bird
Wilt
Hakeem
Magic
Russell
Lebron
HM-Kobe, Sir. Charles, DROB, Malone, Mailman, West.

[Alamo]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Bill Russell
6. Tim Duncan
7. Shaquille O'neal
8. Larry Bird
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is 11th or 12th at most. He just isnt Top 10 GOATs.

Kobe will only be farely judged 10 yrs after he retired which will probably be 12th spot.

Kobe is only guaranteed Top 15 GOATs currently.
It's not what the facts say:


Kobe Bryant's ranking compared to the top 25 players of all-time

Championships (5) - 5th, tied with Johnson
Finals MVPs (2) - 5th, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Olajuwon, Reed
MVPs (1) - 11th, tied with O'Neal, Robertson, Olajuwon, Erving, Barkley, Robinson, Cousy
Top 5 Finishes in MVP Voting (9) - 5th, tied with Johnson, Bird, Duncan, Malone, Robertson
All-NBA Teams (13) - 4th, tied with Duncan
All-Defensive Teams (11) - 2nd tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Garnett
All-Star Teams (14) - 3rd, tied with Jordan, Garnett, Malone, West
All-NBA First Teams (9) - 8th, tied with Duncan
Scoring Titles (2) - 3rd, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal
Points (29,357) - 5th
Playoff Points (5,280) - 3rd

Top 25 players of all-time list by SLAM (http://www.interbasket.net/news/7683/2011/04/top-500-nba-players-of-all-time-slam/)

He's top 5 in 9 out of 11 major accolades and accomplishments, top 3 in 3 of them, top 8 in 10/11.

Sorry.

[StateOfMind12]

What is the thought process behind a list like this? You obviously have russell that high because of his achievements, which is fine, but then how do you justify hakeem being at 5? He has to be there not because of achievements but because of pure skill. If pure skill matters that much then why is wilt so low? Is it contradictory?
Hakeem is there because his peak and prime was terrific. Hakeem is one of the greatest two-way players ever and I would have to say he is at least top 3 in that aspect. I can't blame Hakeem for not accomplishing as much as Shaq, Bird, Duncan, etc since Hakeem wasted like 5-6 years in his early years with Houston while those other guys always had terrific supporting casts their entire career. Hakeem eventually proved that he could win a title in '94 and '95 and he won it in dominant fashion.

Russell is not just there because of his achievements either. My post for explaining Russell would be far too long especially for people that know absolutely nothing about him other than his 45% shooting.

[gengiskhan]

It's not what the facts say:

Kobe Bryant's ranking compared to the top 25 players of all-time

Championships (5) - 5th, tied with Johnson
Finals MVPs (2) - 5th, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Olajuwon, Reed
MVPs (1) - 11th, tied with O'Neal, Robertson, Olajuwon, Erving, Barkley, Robinson, Cousy
Top 5 Finishes in MVP Voting (9) - 5th, tied with Johnson, Bird, Duncan, Malone, Robertson
All-NBA Teams (13) - 4th, tied with Duncan
All-Defensive Teams (11) - 2nd tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Garnett
All-Star Teams (14) - 3rd, tied with Jordan, Garnett, Malone, West
All-NBA First Teams (9) - 8th, tied with Duncan
Scoring Titles (2) - 3rd, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal
Points (29,357) - 5th
Playoff Points (5,280) - 3rd

Top 25 players of all-time list by SLAM (http://www.interbasket.net/news/7683/2011/04/top-500-nba-players-of-all-time-slam/)

He's top 5 in 9 out of 11 major accolades and accomplishments, top 3 in 3 of them, top 8 in 10/11.

Sorry.

I'm sorry to say this.......

all-D 1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team are joke today because of the lack of real competition. Kobe is basically a shoe in. infact, even when he is not. Wade deserved all-D 1st team last 2 yrs. But Kobe was given a walk in it just for being a Laker, a much bigger market. in '80s & '90s, MJ had to compete cooper, dumars, DJ etc etc for all-D first team.

Kobe still haven't lead NBA in steals even for single year to be called all time great defender leave along winning a DPOY title. Kobe has never been in Top 5 steals IMO. It is a reality check for kobe despite media hype.

1 consolidation MVP in 15 seasons in a watered down league isnt good enough.

2 FMVPs in 7 NBA Finals also not enough in watered down NBA League.

[RazorBaLade]

Hakeem is there because his peak and prime was terrific. Hakeem is one of the greatest two-way players ever and I would have to say he is at least top 3 in that aspect. I can't blame Hakeem for not accomplishing as much as Shaq, Bird, Duncan, etc since Hakeem wasted like 5-6 years in his early years with Houston while those other guys always had terrific supporting casts their entire career. Hakeem eventually proved that he could win a title in '94 and '95 and he won it in dominant fashion.

Russell is not just there because of his achievements either. My post for explaining Russell would be far too long especially for people that know absolutely nothing about him other than his 45% shooting.

mind giving me a quickie on why wilt is so low tho?

[ZeN]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
6. Magic Johnson
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Jerry West

[StateOfMind12]

mind giving me a quickie on why wilt is so low tho?
Choker, inconsistent playoff performer, selfish, stat-padder, was more interested in his own individual awards and stats than about winning, etc. In terms of sheet talent and skill, Wilt is probably #1 but since he never had the winning mentality that Russell and MJ had, he isn't. He never had a dominant two-year stretch and his best seasons were the seasons he was like the 4th-5th option.

[Scholar]

1. Luke Walton
2. DeAndre Jordan
3. Jerry Stackhouse
4. Brian Cook
5. Greg Oden
6. Larry Hughes
7. Manute Bol
8. Shawn Bradley
9. Deshawn Stevenson
10. Smush Parker

[Vertical-24]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Kareem / Shaq
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Tim Duncan
8. Bill Russell
9. Keith Bogans
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

Strictly opinion on what I have seen and known about each player. I also believe that if Kobe acquires his sixth ring and 3rd finals mvp that he is worthy of cracking the top 5. Vertical has spoken, Biatch

[Heavincent]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Kareem / Shaq
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Tim Duncan
8. Bill Russell
9. Keith Bogans
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

Strictly opinion on what I have seen and known about each player. I also believe that if Kobe acquires his sixth ring and 3rd finals mvp that he is worthy of cracking the top 5. Vertical has spoken, Biatch

Keith Bogans at 9? :biggums:















































Way too low. He's definitely top 5.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm sorry to say this.......

all-D 1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team are joke today because of the lack of real competition. Kobe is basically a shoe in. infact, even when he is not. Wade deserved all-D 1st team last 2 yrs. But Kobe was given a walk in it just for being a Laker, a much bigger market. in '80s & '90s, MJ had to compete cooper, dumars, DJ etc etc for all-D first team.

Kobe still haven't lead NBA in steals even for single year to be called all time great defender leave along winning a DPOY title. Kobe has never been in Top 5 steals IMO. It is a reality check for kobe despite media hype.

1 consolidation MVP in 15 seasons in a watered down league isnt good enough.

2 FMVPs in 7 NBA Finals also not enough in watered down NBA League.
Shaq and Hakeem also has 1 MVP
Bird, Hakeem, and Kareem also have 2 Finals MVPs

And the '00s and '10s are not a watered down era. If there ever was this watered down era it wouldve been the '90s with the expansion of the scrub teams

[CavaliersFTW]

10. Shaquille Oneal
9. Abdul-Jabbar
8. Tim Duncan
7. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
5. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Andrew Bynum
3. Hakeem
2. Magic Johnson
1. Michael Jordan
:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

1. Too painful for me to say any is greater than the other
a. Wilt
b. Russell
c. Kareem
d. MJ

2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Olajuwon
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
8. Oscar
7. West
9. Bryant
10.
a. Baylor
b. Erving

I had to cheat, I hate making such limited lists because there are so many legitimate greats :bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

1. Too painful for me to say any is greater than the other
a. Wilt
b. Russell
c. Kareem
d. MJ

2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Olajuwon
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
8. Oscar
7. West
9. Bryant
10.
a. Baylor
b. Erving

I had to cheat, I hate making such limited lists because there are so many legitimate greats :bowdown:
lol at choker wilt being number 1. mikan dominated the league more than wilt, who 'wilted' like a flower in the clutch

[CavaliersFTW]

lol at choker wilt being number 1. mikan dominated the league more than wilt, who 'wilted' like a flower in the clutch
lol GTFO Deuce ...start a new thread about the epic failures of Wilt's playoffs and you'll have better luck attracting the:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5JGtZWyxHiE/TZDTBROuGhI/AAAAAAAAACM/0PKvtYgqsFM/s1600/atomic_bomb_explosion.jpg

[gengiskhan]

Shaq and Hakeem also has 1 MVP
Bird, Hakeem, and Kareem also have 2 Finals MVPs

And the '00s and '10s are not a watered down era.

Let me correct it. I did not mean watered down era. I meant to say 2000, 2010 are "EXTREMELY Watered down" eras!!

Bird, Hakeem & Kareem never lost FMVP like kobe did in 2004 after being HEAVY FAVORITES.

HAKEEMs FMVPS are extremely legit as it came off MARQUEE MATCH UP extending into Game 7 & another defeating arch rival SHAQ.

Kobe's are extremely weak. Its tall front court delivering him FMVPs.

Hakeem went through D'Rob, Ewing, Shaq to get his FMVPs.

Kobe lost FMVPs to good players (Billups, Pierce). They are not even great let alone HOF Great like D'Rob, Ewing, Shaq.

all this matters.

Kobe "failed" to clearly dominate EXTREMELY watered down era.
Hakeem Dominanted EXTREMELY Competitive era for 2 years.
JORDAN Dominated EXTREMELY Competitive era for Decade & a Half.
MAGIC Dominated EXTREMELY Competitive era for a Decade.
BIRD Dominated EXTREMELY Competitive era for a Decade.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Let me correct it. I did not mean watered down era. I meant to say 2000, 2010 are "EXTREMELY Watered down" eras!!

Bird, Hakeem & Kareem never lost FMVP like kobe did in 2004 after being HEAVY FAVORITES.

HAKEEMs FMVPS are extremely legit as it came off MARQUEE MATCH UP extending into Game 7 & another defeating arch rival SHAQ.

Kobe's are extremely weak. Its tall front court delivering him FMVPs.

Hakeem went through D'Rob, Ewing, Shaq to get his FMVPs.

Kobe lost FMVPs to good players (Billups, Pierce). They are not even great let alone HOF Great like D'Rob, Ewing, Shaq.

all this matters.

Kobe "failed" to clearly dominate EXTREMELY watered down era.
Hakeem Dominanted EXTREMELY Competitive era for 2 years.
JORDAN Dominated EXTREMELY Competitive era for Decade & a Half.
MAGIC Dominated EXTREMELY Competitive era for a Decade.
BIRD Dominated EXTREMELY Competitive era for a Decade.
lol
again if any era was watered down in team talent its the 90s

[jlauber]

lol at choker wilt being number 1. mikan dominated the league more than wilt, who 'wilted' like a flower in the clutch

This from the man who uttered the now famous words...

"Wilt shooting 1-11 from the FT line in game seven of the '70 Finals cost him 3-4 rings."

[Deuce Bigalow]

This from the man who uttered the now famous words...

"Wilt shooting 1-11 from the FT line in game seven of the '70 Finals cost him 3-4 rings."
and the 4-13 ft shooting in game 7 the previous year :lol

[Stern]

We all know yao is better than wilt. Now get lost RG and stop spamming the forum.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.moneyplansos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/train-derail.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

We all know yao is better than wilt. Now get lost RG and stop spamming the forum.
Yes. I am RG.

[jlauber]

and the 4-13 ft shooting in game 7 the previous year :lol

I forgot about that game. That means that Wilt shooting 1-11 in game seven of the '70 Finals (in a game that was over by halftime when LA trailed 69-42), and 4-13 from the line in game seven of the '69 Finals (and on the bench in the last five minutes, and while his teammates collectively shot .360 from the field, in a two point loss)...

cost Wilt 6-8 rings.

Where would Chamberlain rank today, with as many as 10 rings, had he not shot poorly from the line in those two game seven's?

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt shot below 40% from the freethrow line in 4/5 of his finals appearances

[gengiskhan]

lol
again if any era was watered down in team talent its the 90s

I'll do a retarded faaaak like you a favor by not even bringing MJ in conversaion.

Bird vs Kevin Love (Mr 40 pts, 20 rebs) :lol :lol

Magic vs Derrick Rose (Mr extremely well earned 2011 MVP) :lol :lol

Hakeem vs Gasol (Mr best big man post up game in today's NBA) :lol :lol

Prime D'Rob vs Dwight (Mr I'm still learning post up game from Hakeem in off season) :lol :lol

NBA aint EXTREMELY watered down today. :lol :lol




kobe'tards & laker stans are indeed full retards.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'll do a retarded faaaak like you a favor by not even bringing MJ in conversaion.

Bird vs Kevin Love (Mr 40 pts, 20 rebs) :lol :lol

Magic vs Derrick Rose (Mr extremely well earned 2011 MVP) :lol :lol

Hakeem vs Gasol (Mr best big man post up game in today's NBA) :lol :lol

Prime D'Rob vs Dwight (Mr I'm still learning post up game from Hakeem in off season) :lol :lol

NBA aint EXTREMELY watered down today. :lol :lol



kobe'tards & laker stans are indeed full retards.
jordan jockers the most delusional race on ish

[gengiskhan]

True Real NBA jockers the most informative race on ish

correct.

[PistolPete44]

Deuce Bigalow the anti wilt retard again:facepalm

I like how he put 11. Wilt Chamberlain just to iritate Jlauber:oldlol:

[jlauber]

jordan jockers the most delusional race on ish

Not as bad as the "Wilt-bashers" who comprise the least educated posters on the site.

[no pun intended]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4) Earvin "Magic" Johnson
5) Bill Russell
6) Larry Bird
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Kobe Bryant
9) Tim Duncan
10) Hakeem Olajuwon

[Deuce Bigalow]

Not as bad as the "Wilt-bashers" who comprise the least educated posters on the site.
oh wait. never ****ing mind about jordanjockers

Wilt fans are the most delusional fan base BY FAR and its not even close. You especially.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Deuce Bigalow the anti wilt retard again:facepalm

I like how he put 11. Wilt Chamberlain just to iritate Jlauber:oldlol:
lol U MAD?

[gengiskhan]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4) Earvin "Magic" Johnson
5) Bill Russell
6) Larry Bird
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Kobe Bryant
9) Tim Duncan
10) Hakeem Olajuwon

kobe above Hakeem. :lol :lol :lol

more retards emerging on ISH. :lol :lol :lol

Today's MJ wannabe pushed above another legend who unanimously wins NBA MVP + NBA DPOY + NBA FMVP in single calender year by beating his Arch rival in Marquee match up in 7 game NBA Finals series. :biggums:

ESPN & NBA TV has done excellent job in brainwashing today's infants. :coleman:

[Stern]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4) Bill Russel
5) Magic Johnson
6) Larry Bird
7) Hakeem Olajuwon
8)Shaquille O'Neal
9) Tim Duncan
10) Kobe Bryant

[gengiskhan]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4) Bill Russel
5) Magic Johnson
6) Larry Bird
7) Hakeem Olajuwon
8)Shaquille O'Neal
9) Tim Duncan
10) Kobe Bryant

please explain why russell above Magic?

[webberz0044]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Larry Bird
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Shaquille Oneal
9. Bill Russell
10. Tim Duncan

[jlauber]

The Top-4, in any order...

Russell
MJ
Magic
Wilt

5. Kareem

6. Shaq
7. Duncan

8. Kobe
9. Bird
10. Moses