NFL: Best Wide receiver

[420puffer]

Who do you guys think is the best wideout in the NFL? Rank top 3 in order

Here is my opinion
1. TO
2. Steve Smith
3. Fitzgerald

[Dick Biggly]

i don't know.

[Da KO King]

I like The Chad better than Smith.

[indenial]

The best this year will be

Steve Smith
Santana Moss
Plaxico Burress

[i seen hippos]

i prefer steven. STEVEN!

[qwerty]

Randy Moss.

[Voice of Reason]

T.O is the best followed by Steve Smith and Chad Johnson. You could make a case that Steve Smith is the best WR in the game. He's that good. Moss is top 5 but not in the top 3. Last 2yrs have been Moss like. He's been injured but really the last 2yrs in Oakland are seasons he would want to forget stat wise. This season keep an eye on him especially since Porter is whining like a female. Moss could return but he has to prove himself a bit.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Buress shouldn't even be mentioned. Steve Smith, TO, Chad Johnson, and then the Santana Moss, Arizona guys, Fitzgerald and Boldin, should be the only players discussed...honorable mention to Randy Moss if you're giving him a pass for last year based on his history of production. From that group, Smith was #1 last year. This year, I'm betting TO regains the top spot just to spite McNabb and the Eagles. And look for Chris Chambers to get a major boost up to the elite level now that he has a real QB.

[DoubleTech]

chad johnson

[Voice of Reason]

Buress shouldn't even be mentioned. Steve Smith, TO, Chad Johnson, and then the Arizona guys, Santana Moss, Fitzgerald and Boldin, should be the only players discussed...honorable mention to Randy Moss if you're giving him a pass for last year based on his history of production. From that group, Smith was #1 last year. This year, I'm betting TO regains the top spot just to spite McNabb and the Eagles. And look for Chris Chambers to get a major boost up to the elite level now that he has a real QB.

Ummmmmmm explain why the Cards WR's and S.Moss should be the only players discussed.

[KobesOneUglyTat]

Hey GOBB check yo self. Moss hasn't played the last 2 years in Oakland. Jus this past season. Sorry to see you're falling off. I'll drop you a parachute.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ummmmmmm explain why the Cards WR's and S.Moss should be the only players discussed.
I edited that, what I meant should be cleaerer now.

[Voice of Reason]

I edited that, what I meant should be cleaerer now.

Still isnt. After Chad Johnson, Steve Smith and TO you have WR's that can be argued. I think the top 3 are locked and Moss last 2yrs really dropped him out of it. Moss can easily thrust himself back among those 3 with a great season. He is very capable of doing that, it just needs to be done. He's no worst then top 5 in my book. But really after those 3 WR's rankings can differ depending on peoples criteria, standards and personal liking.

I'll throw out these names. Torry Holt had just as good of a season last year than the Cards WR's. Marvin Harrison had just as good of a season as Santana Moss did.

If Culpepper is healthy and can go...I agree that Chambers could find himself among the elite group. Another WR passed up for FredEx :cry:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Steve Smith, TO, Chad Johnson, and then the Santana Moss, Arizona guys, Fitzgerald and Boldin, should be the only players discussed...honorable mention to Randy Moss if you're giving him a pass for last year based on his history of production.
Is it any clearer to you now?

Edit: I did forget Harrison, though. I have a bad habit of forgetting about Colts.

[Voice of Reason]

No and i say it isnt because you limit the talks to those WR's and overlook Torry Holt. Why? I got Torry Holt ranked 4 after TO, Smith, CJ. Why didnt you mention him? :confusedshrug:

If we talk about last season production alone, he is up there with those guys. If we talk career he is better then most of those guys mentioned. Really no criteria that can be made where Holt doesnt fit.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I guess Holt should be up there, but I hold the stupidity of the Rams' offense last year against him. They got Steohen Jackson back there and yet throw it 65% of the time...bleh. Go ahead and put him up there, but that offense was stupid.

[hateraid]

I like the Cardinal's catch crew in Fitzgerald and Boldin. fitgerald has all the right tools do be the most scarest if the coming seasons.

[BodyControl]

1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Chad Johnson
3. Torry Holt

[Skywalker]

Top Tier:
Chris Chambers
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Marvin Harrison
Javon Walker
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Steve Smith
Joe Horn
Anquan Boldin
Larry Fitgerald
Tory Holt
Joey Galloway
Santana Moss

Second Tier:
Lee Evans
Derrick Mason
Michael Jenkins
Keyshawn Johnson
TJ Houshmanzadeh
Rod Smith
Terry Glenn
Andre Johnson
Roy Williams
Reggie Wayne
Donald Driver
Koren Robinson
Eddie Kennison
Plaxico Burress
Marty Booker
Donte Stallworth
Amani Toomer
Deion Branch
Reggie Brown
Lavernaes Coles
Antonio Bryant
Jerry Porter
Nate Burleson
Darrell Jackson
Isaac Bruce
Keenan McCardell
Michael Clayton
David Givens
Brandon Lloyd

[InLebronWeTrust]

Top Tier:
Chris Chambers
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Marvin Harrison
Javon Walker
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Steve Smith
Joe Horn
Anquan Boldin
Larry Fitgerald
Tory Holt
Joey Galloway
Santana Moss

Second Tier:
Lee Evans
Derrick Mason
Michael Jenkins
Keyshawn Johnson
TJ Houshmanzadeh
Rod Smith
Terry Glenn
Andre Johnson
Roy Williams
Reggie Wayne
Donald Driver
Koren Robinson
Eddie Kennison
Plaxico Burress
Marty Booker
Donte Stallworth
Amani Toomer
Deion Branch
Reggie Brown
Lavernaes Coles
Antonio Bryant
Jerry Porter
Nate Burleson
Darrell Jackson
Isaac Bruce
Keenan McCardell
Michael Clayton
David Givens
Brandon Lloyd


Alright, he said best.. Not every wide receiver in this league. Anywho, heres my top 5.. no particular order.

TO
Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Fitzgerald
Randy moss/chris chambers

[AIR SETH]

The best wide receiver is still Terrell Owens.
http://www.dacowboys.com/images/terrell-owens.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/thegiftofgame/terrell-owens.jpg

[Skywalker]

Alright, he said best.. Not every wide receiver in this league.

Yeah I was naming the guys who could be in the discussion because nobody could seem to put together a simple debate. Idiot.

[West-Side]

1. Owens
2. S.Smith
3. C.Johnson

[SmokyMcNasty]

All hail to Chris Chambers :bowdown:

Highlights from last season
Holy shhh.. MIX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhG1lUEwW40)

Over Deangelo Hall at this year's Pro-Bowl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB3R5d0y_sU&mode=related&search=)



Older stuff

Oh.. NO he didn't!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woNhXQChv1A&mode=related&search=)

Daytime Job: Ballerina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeudLr-JTVI&mode=related&search=)


Torching Troy Vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-IQ3sa_gU&mode=related&search=)

Torching Mario Edwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuD920i66Jw&mode=related&search=)

[rashid242]

Moss/TO
Johnson
Harrison
Smith

with Holt just on the outside looking in.

[InLebronWeTrust]

^^ no fitzgerald?

[SteveNebraska]

Super Bowl Mvp Hines Ward #86

[JacobTheButcher]

Most athletic: Randy Moss
Fastest: Steve Smith
Best hands: Marvin Harrison
Best overall: TO

[420puffer]

No one mentioned David Boston. He is healthy now. He was good when he was in Arizona w/ plummer. 1500+ yards one season. He can play. Andre Johnson kinda reminds me of him. My fantasy football sleeper

[Real Men Wear Green]

David Boston was roided up out of his mind. He may be good without the juice but I'm not betting on him.

[hotsizzle]

1. TO
2. Chad
3. Steve

they are also the three cockiest most trash talkin players out there. but they can back it up.

[Joseph40]

TO/MOSS are co #1's... they can't be covered by ANY one and are hands down monsters....



Moss can just go get whatever he wants and outrun everyone..

TO has the same athleticsm (maybe less top speed) but can RAC w/ the best of them (ask Champ Bailey)


A dark horse who is a victim of the worst OL in the history of the game...

Andre Johnson of Houston...dude is a young to (6'3, 220-230, with sub 4.4 speed) plus dude is RAC monster, but Carr is always either on his back, or about to be so they cant take advatage.

[West-Side]

they are also the three cockiest most trash talkin players out there. but they can back it up.

Oh my god....do you even watch Steve Smith play, are you for real?

He was asked where he ranks HIMSELF as a wide out in this league, he said somewhere IN THE MIDDLE, that was after he was leading the league in TD's, Yards and Catches...Smith is one of the most humble players in football!!

Name me ONE thing he did or said that would lead you to believe he's cocky...as far as Owen and Chad, well yeah...they're cocky as hell.

[Voice of Reason]

Oh my god....do you even watch Steve Smith play, are you for real?

He was asked where he ranks HIMSELF as a wide out in this league, he said somewhere IN THE MIDDLE, that was after he was leading the league in TD's, Yards and Catches...Smith is one of the most humble players in football!!

Name me ONE thing he did or said that would lead you to believe he's cocky...as far as Owen and Chad, well yeah...they're cocky as hell.

He celebrates TD's and catches. I'd say that is cocky. And I be hard pressed to believe he doesnt talk trash on the field. Him and Jake have gone at it on the field so why wouldnt he go at it vs a DB? Interviews he is humble and when asked about his play, himself he is less likely to prop himself. But on the field? He is up there with TO, Moss, Chad.

[dab0yech0]

Chad Johnson and Steve Smith are my picks. Can you believe they both started out their collegiate careers playing for Santa Monica City College? They must have had the best receiving corps for a community college.

[dab0yech0]

Oh my god....do you even watch Steve Smith play, are you for real?

He was asked where he ranks HIMSELF as a wide out in this league, he said somewhere IN THE MIDDLE, that was after he was leading the league in TD's, Yards and Catches...Smith is one of the most humble players in football!!

Name me ONE thing he did or said that would lead you to believe he's cocky...as far as Owen and Chad, well yeah...they're cocky as hell.


Steve Smith and Chad Johnson are very good friends since their SMC days and they talk to each other about their celebrations. THere was an article a year or two ago about the two former community college teammates

[UCLAlegend32]

1. Freddie Mitchell
2. chad johnson
3. steve smith
4. T.O.

[dab0yech0]

http://www.smc.edu/missedinformation/archives/February012006/images/currentissue/coach_taylor_01_1.jpg

SANTA MONICA!

[Voice of Reason]

UCLA Bruins are the softest players. How many pan out in the nfl and nba?


Chad Johnson and Steve Smith are my picks. Can you believe they both started out their collegiate careers playing for Santa Monica City College? They must have had the best receiving corps for a community college.

Not really

[UCLAlegend32]

UCLA Bruins are the softest players. How many pan out in the nfl and nba?

i dont know lets see
troy aikman
jonathan ogden
deshaun foster
jj stokes

nba
kareem
reggie milller
baron davis
earl watson
gail goodrich
bill walton


I WIN

[dab0yech0]

i dont know lets see
troy aikman
jonathan ogden
deshaun foster
jj stokes

nba
kareem
reggie milller
baron davis
earl watson
gail goodrich
bill walton


I WIN

add Ricky Manning, Marques Anderson, Drew Bennett to the NFL list. Marcedes Lewis and Maurice Drew should be on that list soon.

Trevor Ariza, Matt Barnes, Jason Kapono, arent stars but they at least made the league. Dan Gadzuric and Darrick Martin also are in the NBA. Add Tracy Murray, Don MacLean.

[West-Side]

So because he celebrates in the end zone or he OCCASIONALLY argues with his teammates (I only seen that once, and I watch every Carolina/Oakland game)...that makes someone cocky?

So you can't show emotion/celebration on the field and not be cocky? I don't follow man.

Cocky is someone who constantly BRAGS about his skills, and Smith never does that...I don't see other players get in his face, I see him help player get up on the field, extend his hand so to speak...I see him slap another player on the butt when he makes a nice cover play on him...Smith doesn't strike me as cocky one bit, and he's probably my favorite offensive player in the game...if you want cocky, look at Keyshawn.

[West-Side]

When Smithy gets a first down, he does a celebration (makes the "1st down" sign)...and he does his TD celebrations, but I honestly don't see how that makes someone cocky??

Owens/Johnson aren't cocky because they pull cell phones out of their socks, it's because they talk smack and are known for that around the league...they talk about how special they are in every interview, that's cocky....celebrating TD's and first downs, while being humble in every single interview does not make someone cocky.

Even if Smith believes he's the best receiver in the game, until he comes out and expresses it like Owens/Chad do...I will never label the man cocky.

[Voice of Reason]

JJ Stokes didnt pan out. I *****ing asked how many panned out. Not for a list of who made. Geeze, how hard is that to do?


Steve Smith is not humble on the field. He constantly yaps. One incident? He's had plenty caught on cam. No one is saying he is a bad guy but he has his moments when he is cocky. Did you see him tear up the Bears? He was cocky as cocky can be. Watch the damn highlights. NYG game? Same deal.

All you're doing is defending the guy because you're a fan and you are taking the cocky display from him and thinkin its negative. Its not. You dont label his antics on the field cocky? I do. You assume he doesnt talk trash on the field? I do. You cant tell me he doesnt run his rap. All WR's have, even Jerry Rice the golden boy.

[JacobTheButcher]

You can interpret it as cockiness if you want. But some people may see it as just unflappable confidence. All good WR's are cocky/selfish in some way. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, you should have to be selfish in order to be a good receiver in the NFL. You gotta WANT the ball. If you don't, the DB will beat you for it everytime. You don't think Marvin Harrison has ever been pissed at Peyton Manning for not gettin him the ball? All WR's want the ball. Some guys just express themselves differently..

As for trash talking.. Chad Johnson and Steve Smith do it in a friendly, competitive way. Nobody ever takes Chad Johnson seriously. People get a kick out of the shyt he pulls (sending Cleveland DB's Peptol Bismol because they were gonna get "sick" of covering him, c'mon.. who takes that as a serious jab?). TO, on the other hand, just seems to rub people the wrong way. You'll see Chad at the Pro-Bowl kickin it with the other guys, and TO would usually be the guy sitting by himself.

[Voice of Reason]

You can interpret it as cockiness if you want. But some people may see it as just unflappable confidence. All good WR's are cocky/selfish in some way. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, you should have to be selfish in order to be a good receiver in the NFL. You gotta WANT the ball. If you don't, the DB will beat you for it everytime. You don't think Marvin Harrison has ever been pissed at Peyton Manning for not gettin him the ball? All WR's want the ball. Some guys just express themselves differently..

As for trash talking.. Chad Johnson and Steve Smith do it in a friendly, competitive way. Nobody ever takes Chad Johnson seriously. People get a kick out of the shyt he pulls (sending Cleveland DB's Peptol Bismol because they were gonna get "sick" of covering him, c'mon.. who takes that as a serious jab?). TO, on the other hand, just seems to rub people the wrong way. You'll see Chad at the Pro-Bowl kickin it with the other guys, and TO would usually be the guy sitting by himself.

There is a thin line when dealing with confidence and cockyness.

And whether its friendly trash talkin or negative trash talkin. Its trash talkin no? :confusedshrug:

Like i said this has nothing to do with Steve Smith the WR who is phenominal. Not a slight, not discrediting him or anything. I have him ranked #2 behind TO. And i'm willing due to last season by TO to allow Steve to be argued the top WR in the game.

[Carbine]

I think a lot of you are ranking Randy a lot lower then he actually is. He is the #1 talent when talking about wideouts in football, yet it seems we only truly see the player Randy could be five or six times a year. That in no way makes him #1 overall, but he is that talented. Probably the most physically talented wideout to ever play in my opinion. That means very little if he can't put it all together, but I believe in him & what he can do.

The only knock on Randy is his inability to run across the middle, but I believe that's more by design than his courage because lets face it, as a offensive co. you don't want to see your best offensive weapon go down for the year on a simple crossing route when he can be just as effective running deep outs, comebacks, corners, flares, etc. It's not worth the risk.

Anyways, if I had to pick one & only one wideout for this year it would be Randy Moss. Ask around the league who the most feared wideout is ( and lets face it, the opinions of the defensive co. hold a lot more weight than a simple fan does) and I bet Randy is mentioned at #1 more than any other wideout.


Moss could return but he has to prove himself a bit.

Prove himself of what? That he can stay healthy? Because that's all that is stopping him from putting up numbers like the Randy of Minnesota. I've watched him a lot in his time with Minny & now Oakland & he hasn't lost a noticable amount of verticle, speed or quickness. He's only 29 I believe, prime years. The best is still to come from Randy, believe it or not.

[Voice of Reason]

[QUOTE]The only knock on Randy is his inability to run across the middle

No its not his only knock. The biggest knock is his route running. Its sloppy, half assed because he is dependant on sweeping his poor route running for going long. Thinkin who cares i ran 2 sloppy routes, next play is down the field and I can get a big gain if not 6. He doesnt go all out and he doesnt feel he has too because he is a home run hitter. Strikes out alot but can give you 40-45 dingers so all is well. Thats Randy Moss. His comments about playing when he wants blah blah blah, his antics of leaving games early, his gestures and comments in the media are also turnoffs. Thats a bigger knock then Randy not going across the middle.


Anyways, if I had to pick one & only one wideout for this year it would be Randy Moss. Ask around the league who the most feared wideout is ( and lets face it, the opinions of the defensive co. hold a lot more weight than a simple fan does) and I bet Randy is mentioned at #1 more than any other wideout.

Unless you have support to back this up I dont buy it. Steve Smith is heavily regarded. All last season he has been the talk of the town. Darren Woodson said he was the leagues MVP. Former Cowboys Safety. Sure its "words" but the fact remains you can find more articles on Steve Smith being the top dawg, being dangerous more than Randy Moss. A simple google.com backs this up. Heck who knows what is being said on espn.com, might go look and see Steve Smith praised more then Moss.

With TO, Smith, Johnson? And Randy 2 lackluster seasons, I'd like to see you find some guys saying Randy is the most feared WR.



Prove himself of what? That he can stay healthy? Because that's all that is stopping him from putting up numbers like the Randy of Minnesota. I've watched him a lot in his time with Minny & now Oakland & he hasn't lost a noticable amount of verticle, speed or quickness. He's only 29 I believe, prime years. The best is still to come from Randy, believe it or not.

He's lost an extra gear from Randy in Minny with Randy in Oakland. Could that be due to injury? Maybe. Bulkking up? Maybe...so we shall see if he still has the speed, quickness. IE he has to PROVE that all over thanks to his last 2yrs.

How will Moss bounce back/respond this year? Or will people run to the QB excuse again. When players have down years to thier normal standards there is doubt and thus proving the doubters wrong exist. Hence he has to prove himself again as the leagues best WR because right now? TO, Smith, Johnson, Holt are those dudes with Marvin being Marvin. Moss was once the standout guy. He is not anymore. Talent aint much when guys in the league are also talented & are producing.

I dont see how Moss is any more dangerous than Steve Smith who had no other recieving threats on his team as he literally by himself tore up NYG and Chicago defenses. Embarrassed them. He can take a small hitch and turn it into positive gain. Can go across the middle in traffic. Can go deep. He can do it all. I'm just not sure how good of a blocker he is but catching? He has it. He cant outmuscle and intimidate DB's like a Moss. Thats not a slight but its finding things he is incapable of doing just for the sake of doing so.

Moss is ranked where he should be. Wants to move up? Prove it on the field.

[West-Side]

With TO, Smith, Johnson? And Randy 2 lackluster seasons, I'd like to see you find some guys saying Randy is the most feared WR.

Checkmate, thank you!!
Moss is #1 in terms of talent...but he did have two lucklaster seasons.

Oh, Peppers just had his 1st sack on the first possession and Keyshawn just made his first catch as a Panther... :pimp:

I can't wait till the 10th...!!!!!!!!!

[Carbine]

That's what I meant when I implied we only see the real Randy for five or six games a year. He's always had the talent to be the stand-out at his position, and he was & in my opinion still can be that dude when he feels like it.

When he knows the ball isn't comming to him he runs sloppy routes, that is not something that comes as a surprise to me watching Randy as long as I have. However, to say he is incapable of running a great route is flat out wrong. Maybe that's not what you're saying.

When Moss wants to run a great route he can, but that's part of the thing with Moss... he does what Randy wants, when he wants to do it. It's not the attitude you want, but he's the most talented receiver ever, I'm not gonna say what he should & shouldn't do. That brings up the whole crowd around him discussion & how important those people are compared to the "yes men" Randy has had.

As for Steve Smith, he's a great wideout. I don't have any problem with people rating him top three because they have a legit case. He's a gamer, but at the end of the day if I had to choose one receiver for this season coming up I'm picking Moss. Randy needs a good kick in the ass & he might look at his stat sheet & see under 1100+ yards in the last two & decide it's time.

A motivated Randy Moss is the #1 wideout. However, we haven't seen a motivated Moss since his early days with Minny because he was the new guy, he HAD to prove what he is capable of.

Steve Smith had a great year, he proved that he belongs with the elite. Does he have the determination of an MJ to keep improving his game? Maybe. I know Randy didn't for whatever reasons & you can get away with it when you're a talent like Moss.

I view Randy like Tmac, can be the best player in the league (In Moss' case, WR - Peyton got #1 player on lock :D) when everything is going for him because he's that talented. However when injuries, lack of motivation come into play he's just another great wideout, not the standout.

[West-Side]

I would NEVER pick Moss over Smith, because of what you just said...he plays whenever he wants to (puts himself over the team), Smith ALWAYS comes to play...and personally, I actually think Smith is just as good of a playmaker.

Smith's a better YAC receiver, Moss is a better deep threat...I don't think you can dispute that Smith is top 3, people just were shocked to see him explode last season because he was injured all 2004 season...and had Moose on his team previous years.

If you had a draft, everyone should pick Smith 1st overall as a WR...Owens has attitude issues, Moss just does what he wants...Chad is a cool cat, I simply prefer Smith. But Chad might have problems in the locker room with his big mouth...but Smith and Chad are my two favorite wide-outs in the game.


You guys consider Keyshawn a top 15 receiver? He looked good tonight for Carolina...looked alot like Chad Johnson.

[JacobTheButcher]

But Chad might have problems in the locker room with his big mouth...but Smith and Chad are my two favorite wide-outs in the game.

See, that's a misconception you drew up yourself because you see that Chad Johnson is a loud, expressive, charismatic player on the field and you automatically think he's a bigmouth/locker-room cancer behind the scenes. Chad has never had ANY beefs with his teammates. he is not a locker room problem. Certainly not any more so than Steve Smith, who also tends to run his mouth..

Why do people think that just because you play the WR position and actually have a personality, that you must be another TO?

[West-Side]

I'm sure he had run-ins with teammates in the past, I heard something about that 2 years ago actually...when Bengals were losing.

I remember him trashing his QB for not throwing him the ball enough...since when has Smith done anything like that?

Because the guy has fun on the field, he has personality? His celebrates when he scores...Chad Johnson is a known loud mouth, who thinks he's the greatest and I definitely recall him having problems in the locker room prior to last season.

Not a misconception.


ertainly not any more so than Steve Smith, who also tends to run his mouth..

Run his mouth towards who? Show me an article? Chad runs his mouth in almost every intreview, shows off that cockyness...Smith doesn't...I dont recall Smith ever causing problems in the locker room...I recall Chad doing so, back in 2004...only thing I remember is Smith arguing with his offensive coach because they weren't throwing him the ball enough, when he had close to 100 yards in the first half...and the running game wasn't working, I think it was against the Bears in the 3-13 loss last season.

Smith and Chad are very similar on the field, they are great players who like to show-boat when they make a big play...but Smith doesn't run his mouth off the field, and hasn't caused any problems thus far that I know of...Chad has, and please don't make me find an article...because I remember him doing so in 2004 or 2003 season.

[West-Side]

Disregarding all that, I would still take Smith over Chad...because I think he's more of a threat...Chad is more of a possession receiver.

Remeber, Smith has more yards, catches and TD's...while playing really only 15 games last season...he got ejected in the 1st quarter in a game because he "touched" an official.

[Carbine]

Chad is not more of a possession receiver.

Steve Smiths' YPC is 14.4 I believe while Chads' is around 14.7.

[Voice of Reason]

Key is not top 15. And Chad is far from a possession WR. What on earth makes u say that?

[West-Side]

YPC doesn't make you a playmaking threat...that just means he could also be a deep threat, he's a possession receiver because he's not a great YAC receiver...he has amazing hands and usually gets tackled right away. Just because he's a possession receiver doesn't mean he isnt a good playmaker, he's just "more" of a possession receiver. Moss is somewhat of a possession receiver as well, he's a deep threat...Owens is a playmaking receiver, that's just how I view them.

Smith's YPC is 14.1 because he probably caught like 40 passes at the line of scrimmage and made something out of nothing...I'm not saying Chad isn't a playmaker he's just more of a possession receiver...same thing that Keyshawn is, a possession receiver...you know, a receiver that has great hands...makes big plays on 3rd down...makes those difficult plays, Chad goes deep ALOT of time...but he can't make something out of nothing like Smith or Owens.

I think Keyshawn is a top 15, he's been so highly disregarded...I was so happy when I heard Panthers inked him, he looks ALL business....in fact if you watch Carolina play last night you would see how dominant they were "starter vs starter". He's arguably the best blocking receiver in the game, and one of the best hands in the business.


1st quarter when all Panther starters were playing...they allowed 21 totaly yards, 12 of them rushing...they sacked Bills QB, put tons of pressure on him every down...didn't allow a single 1st down that quarter...and Lucas INT'ed a pass for TD.

Jake Delhomme played only one drive....went 5 for 6, hit Keyshawn twice...Colbert twice...and made a TD pass. After the TD you can see they were all business...Jake didn't celebrate, just put his hand up to god...Keyshawn after every pass just looked very confidant. This team is all business....Peppers sacked the QB on 3rd down, got back up and went straight to the bench to sit down like it was nothing...Lucas made the INT, no real celebration...just threw the ball in the end zone and went to the bench.

Best part Foster and especially DeAngelo looked real good...Williams didn't have much to work with but showed his vision/speed on one 20 yard run....Steve Smith didn't play, but damn this team is looking good....especially their defense...they have a chance to be top 3 in both defense and offense this season I believe. Is there a more well rounded team in this game?

[West-Side]

By the way, Steve Smith had a 15.2 YPC rating not 14.2

That doesn't tell the story though...to me there is a possession, deep threat and a playmaker.

Randy Moss= Deep Threat
Chad Johnson= Possession & Deep Threat
Steve Smith and Terrell Owens= Playmakers (Great YAC receivers)

[Carbine]

By the way, Steve Smith had a 15.2 YPC rating not 14.2

It was actually 14.4, like I said before. I went by career averages, because one-year averages aren't a true evaluation on someone.

Your view on what a possession receiver, deep threat & that stuff is interesting but at the end of the day Chad is a playmaker, deep threat & a possession receiver, he's that good. If you want the definition of a possession receiver go back to Marty Booker in Chicago. Chad is not anywhere near that - not that it's a bad thing. I think Marty had 100 grabs for 1000 yards - 10 yards per.

[West-Side]

Career averages doesn't tell the whole story either, Carolina didn't have talented Qb's like Delhomme in the past...Chris Weinke? Rodney Peete? They couldn't exactly make the big throws down the field...you got to look at the QB's as well, definitely tied in.

I love Chad, but I haven't seen him make a 5 yard catch and create something out of nothing like Owens/Smith...have you?

I mean you're telling me because Chad has a very impressive YPC that makes him a playmaker? You consider catching a hail mary because of your speed, hands and size a playmaker? I don't.

PLAY MAKER...a player that can create something out of nothing...deep threat is totally different to me...Chad is fast, has great hands and good size that he can beat most corners down the field...he's also a possession receiver, I think EVERY receiver has all three qualities really....they are all professional football players...I just think Chads best quality is his hands, and I see him more of a possession receiver then anything else.

Smith is a PUNT RETURNER for Carolina...usually playmakers are given that job, and that's exactly what Smith is...he's also a GREAT deep threat and is a decent possession receiver...but his greatest asset is his play making skills, that's why he's a play maker.

Look at hockey, take a look at an "enforcer"...it's a guy that protects your superstars, and makes the big hits? Does that mean he doesn't score goals?

[Voice of Reason]

T.Owens
S.Smith
C.Johnson
T.Holt
R.Moss
M.Harrison
H.Ward
S.Moss
L.Fitzgerald
C.Chambers
Rod Smith
R.Wayne
D.Driver
L.Coles

Thats 14 I think are better then Keyshawn. Agree?

[West-Side]

That's 14...and I don't really see how the last 4 wide-outs are clearly better then Keyshawn.

[West-Side]

Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Larry Fitzgerald
Anguan Boldin
Plaxico Burress
Torry Holt
Marvin Harrison
Chris Chambers
Hines Ward
Chad Johnson
Rod Smith


That's 12 players who I would definitely put above Keyshawn rest are players who either have a great QB and who don't have to share the ball with another great wide-out (Terry Glenn).

Dallas also run the ball alot, they have a very even offensive attack...talent wise I still think he's top 15 with ease. He has some of the best hands in football, very physical...he's basically a more experienced Muhsin Muhammed.

[Voice of Reason]

That's 14...and I don't really see how the last 4 wide-outs are clearly better then Keyshawn.

Why not? Look at thier production. I left off 15 because the rest of the WR's are arguable. Like Plaixco Burress. I forgot Roy Williams but left him off because he has to prove himself imo. I know the talent, I've seen it in games but go out and put up the numbers to back it ya kno? Couple of WR's i left off.

I think Key is anywhere in ther 15-20 range. Just dont think at this point in his career he is top 15. But where he ranks among the rest of the league imo isnt something to get bent out of shape over. He's a perfect compliment to Steve Smith in that you get a possesson WR who can make the tough catches, sacrifice his body over the middle and also block. Steve Smith can do his thing more so hopefully this duo works like you would expect it too. Even if defense focus on Steve still Key is capable of making catches.

[West-Side]

Yeah I agree, I personally think he's 12-20...but hey I'll take that, he's a perfect complimentary player for Steve Smith.

[MadeFromDust]

Who do you guys think is the best wideout in the NFL? Rank top 3 in order

Here is my opinion
1. TO
2. Steve Smith
3. Fitzgerald
TO hands down

[mlh1981]

My how the times change, although Larry Fitzgerald is still one of the best WR's in the league.

[mlh1981]

David Boston was roided up out of his mind. He may be good without the juice but I'm not betting on him.

There's a name I haven't heard in while. That guy had muscles on top of muscles on top of muscles. All from cliff bars and curl ups, no? :lol

[christian1923]

Calvin
Andre
Welker
Marshall
Wayne

[Carbine]

Calvin got this on lock-down.

I said Randy was the most talented WR ever back in 2006, but Calvin probably overtakes him. All the talent (and arguably more) with none of the drama.

[christian1923]

Calvin got this on lock-down.

I said Randy was the most talented WR ever back in 2006, but Calvin probably overtakes him. All the talent (and arguably more) with none of the drama.
No way calvin is more talented, what moss could do was almost unfair. WORLD CLASS OLYMPIC Speed, Vertical, and ball skills:bowdown:

[christian1923]

Lol, Welker isn't the best receiver on his team.

Atleast 112 catches for 5 of the last 6 years..

Have you seen him run routes??:bowdown: as a guy who played slot I have so much respect for his craft.

D Thomas has to prove some more before I crown him better than Wesley

[Sarcastic]

Wes Welker does basically what Marshall Faulk used to do, except he lines up at the line of scrimmage instead of the backfield and doesn't run the ball. Marshall Faulk was a great receiver in his time, but the top receivers have be able to stretch the field.

[christian1923]

Wes Welker does basically what Marshall Faulk used to do, except he lines up at the line of scrimmage instead of the backfield and doesn't run the ball. Marshall Faulk was a great receiver in his time, but the top receivers have be able to stretch the field.
But just counting pure wide reciever skills Wes welker is unbelievable to me.