Any defender who uses this new tactic of putting a hand in the face of the shooter...

[Created Player]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.

[TJ4'D]

So trying to obscure the shooters vision is wack? That makes a lot of sense.

Should they just not even put a hand up or what?

[Myth]

I see nothing wrong with it. Its good defense to try and mess up the shot.

[hito da god]

New tactic? Lol, have you ever played basketball before?

[Created Player]

New tactic? Lol, have you ever played basketball before?
:no:, no they haven't. People like Battier aren't even defending the ball. He's going right for Kobe face when he jumps.

That's wack.

[brwnman]

Not everybody is gifted with the natural athletic ability of the Kobe's of the world, so giving the lesser players a chance to disrupt a shot and not give a clean look at the rim is always a good idea on defense. Also, this is not a new tactic...

[Showtime]

:no:, no they haven't. People like Battier aren't even defending the ball. He's going right for Kobe face when he jumps.

That's wack.
What, exactly is he to do? When Kobe elevates for a jumpshot, Battie, along with every other defender, doesn't have the jump speed and length to get up and block a jumpshot. Contesting the shot is more effective with blocking the view of the player rather than risking hitting the wrist of a shot they can't block.

[Myth]

I've always been taught to do that when you aren't going to be able to get close to the ball. I coached for a year and had an especially short team. I taught every one of my players that tactic. Why let them have a good look at the rim? :confusedshrug:

[Created Player]

Why is everyone acting like I don'y know what I'm talking about.

Do you people even WATCH the game?

Somebody get in this thread and co-sign what I'm talking about.

[Kings_Alex]

as long as it works... adelman made brad miller do the same to kevin garnett in the playoffs before xD

[20 Dimes A Game]

I do it.

[jbot]

it seems like smart basketball to me. i don't see what's wrong w/ it. would u rather give them a clear view of the basket while they shoot? would u rather risk fouling them by going for a block? i also don't think it's "new".

[Showtime]

Why is everyone acting like I don'y know what I'm talking about.

Do you people even WATCH the game?

Somebody get in this thread and co-sign what I'm talking about.
We know exactly what you are talking about. You are talking about when the defender puts their hand up to block the face of the shooter.

[Cannonball]

who doesn't do it?!? what the **** is this thread?

[wTFaMonkey]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

he has been doing this the WHOLE season

STFU ****** *****

[Myth]

Its definitely not new and it only seems to bug you Created Player. Are you one of those fans that just want every advantage for the offensive player because you don't find defense fun to watch?

[BTrujillo]

Everybody knows what you are talking about but nobody agrees that its a new or wack strategy...it's been around forever and just smart basketball. The shooter should be able to look past it...if they can't they should drive to the rim...this is why Battier is such a good defender...he uses all the tools/tricks that can be used

I'm a Kobe fan...but I'm surprised more people don't do it...it seems to be working

[brantonli]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.


Please, what do you expect Battier to do? He's known as a defender, and you don't get that reputation unless you play smart defence, and one of the smarter ways to play defense is instead of trying to block a jumpshot (which is pretty damn difficult anyway), get in the player's vision. I see no reason why it would be 'puss', would you want Battier to deck Kobe on every jumpshot, or just let him shoot a wide-open one?

[biisak]

It

[Showtime]

[QUOTE=biisak]It

[Jailblazers7]

I thought this thread was intended to be sarcastic but I was wrong.

[biisak]

So? That's FIBA, not NBA. FIBA has a different lane, has used zone when the NBA didn't, Techs count as PF's, and allowed goaltending.

Well there are similarities, like you know the idea to put the ball in the basket while giving 1, 2 or 3 pts. The Fouling. The not using your feet and stuff. I figured there could be others. Then again, in Europe we call traveling so I guess you

[dbugz]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.


a technique that you've seen in 20 years? is a new tactic? I'm confused :banghead:

[Showtime]

[QUOTE=biisak]Well there are similarities, like you know the idea to put the ball in the basket while giving 1, 2 or 3 pts. The Fouling. The not using your feet and stuff. I figured there could be others. Then again, in Europe we call traveling so I guess you

[biisak]

My point was that just because there are differences in the rules doesn't mean one way of playing is the way the game is 'supposed' to be played, which was the comment to which I was responding.

My point, which you missed, was that because there are a lot of similarities, perhaps the reason you dont see it so much is because it isnt allowed. Which I actually dont think it is. Then again, neither is traveling, lane violation and a lot of other rules that NBA refs dont enforce.

[wTFaMonkey]

[QUOTE=biisak]It

[determined2win]

this is perfect defensive tactic.. you blur their vision of the hoop battier is in a way protecting the hoop because hes causing kobe to miss his jumpers which means there wont be a made shot.. as long as its legit and it works whats all the commotion about? and did i forget to mention how hard it is to block a jumper than a layup?

[biisak]

FIBA not equal to NBA

FAIL

Great post.

[TheReasonSF3]

someone should tell Battier not to put his hands up on d. that's whack...

[konex]

Bowen does it too. Effective..

[StroShow4]

I do it.

me too. i think most people who play basketball with any intelligence whatsoever have done it before.

[dirkdiggler41]

You have to be a good defender to do it. You need to be close to him and be smart not to actully hit him on the head

have you never heard: "Get that hand up in his face"
That does not mean you try to go after the ball

[GOBB]

This is textbook defense on how to defend a jump shot. Nothing new. Defense 101. Created Moron because he is no Player.

[BFRESH44]

gobb lol.

[dnyk1337]

You must have never seen Reggie Miller play against Michael Jordan.

Edit: I use this tactic all the time in pick-up games and it works very well, especially when I'm guarding above the rim type of players that just out-jump me.

[ukballer]

Someone isn't looking forward to Battier becoming more than the anti Kobe :) Watch yourself Bron!

Seriously, stop this guy from posting.

[ExpatSunsFan]

Or Doug Christie play against just about anybody.

[gasolina]

CP admitted he haven't played basketball right?

:oldlol:

What a loser

[roxin5]

Battier for defensive player of the year! Scola for rookie of the year!

Without a question!!!

[Loki]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.

Doug Christie and John Starks used to do this all the damn time to Jordan. I haven't seen many (if any) players use it recently, though.

Mind you, all the shooter has to do is create space better to neutralize it, but it's very effective at disrupting a shot. Fairly difficult to do at full speed sometimes, though.

[stephanieg]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!

[ikoiko]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!

:oldlol:

[TheGrassIsGreen]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.


What the hell have you been paying attention to in 20 years? This technique is one of the most basic strategies-- in accordance to defense-- that has been taught to kids when they first learn to play organized ball. You're ridiculous.

[rezznor]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!
:applause:

[strifed169]

probably the most moronic opinion i've heard to today, way to set the bar buddy

[1~Gibson~1]

:no:, no they haven't. People like Battier aren't even defending the ball. He's going right for Kobe face when he jumps.

That's wack.well if he goes 4 the ball more than likely he's gonna foul kobe. i think putting a hand in the face is really effective, i mean if he cant see the basketball goal he has pretty much no chance of making it. unless he can see the hand:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[reppy]

This is almost as dumb as the time Dizzle said the NBA should ban the pick and roll because it gives an unfair advantage to the offensive team.

[GOBB]

This is almost as dumb as the time Dizzle said the NBA should ban the pick and roll because it gives an unfair advantage to the offensive team.

:roll:

I swear people are so damn stupid its literally funny.

[wTFaMonkey]

This is almost as dumb as the time Dizzle said the NBA should ban the pick and roll because it gives an unfair advantage to the offensive team.

LOL :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

This is almost as dumb as the time Dizzle said the NBA should ban the pick and roll because it gives an unfair advantage to the offensive team.whoever said that should go :banghead:

[brwnman]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!

word? they haven't started that around my playground yet...

[Showtime]

Or Doug Christie play against just about anybody.
"Who's Doug Christie?" - OP

[knickscity]

This is almost as dumb as the time Dizzle said the NBA should ban the pick and roll because it gives an unfair advantage to the offensive team.

Some one actually said that???:roll:

[GOBB]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!

:roll:

[SCY]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!

:roll:

Anyway, it's textbook defense, it's just amazing that Battier was able to do it on nearly all of Kobe's attempts.

[RainierBeachPoet]

i grew up playing youth bball in the 70s and they were teaching the technique back then

[Fedor - Laker]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.
You never balled in your life huh?

[AppleNader]

You never balled in your life huh?

that was pretty obvious since when he first joined, this just cements that fact.

[1~Gibson~1]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!:roll: thats a good 1

but i hate that new tactic that just came out where they actualy throw the ball toward the rim instead of placing it gently in. they even have a line so if u get behind it and throw the ball in the hoop you'll get 3 points instead of 2!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!(i put the 1's in on purpose):oldlol:

[AppleNader]

clearly, Created Player never even realized what the hell the exceedingly common basketball phrase "get a hand up on the shooter" really meant in the first place:roll:

Only a top defender like Battier can maintain such close contact with an opposing player so he can ACTUALLY get a hand up to block the shooters vision. but since Created Player never played basketball before, he doesn't understand that trying to physically block a jumpshot is nearly impossible:roll:

[PK3434]

...as they elevate is wack (like what Battier is pretty much doing to Kobe on every shot).

This is pretty much the work defensive technique I've seen in 20 years. It's right up there with the elimination of the hand check.

So puss, IMO.

You are soft.

[w00terz]

This Lebron groupie clearly hasn't played basketball before. Just go jack off to some more Lebron highlights or make another thread on how Lebron > Kobe because you clearly don't know anything about basketball.

[mjbulls23]

:oldlol:

[Qwyjibo]

This is almost as dumb as the time Dizzle said the NBA should ban the pick and roll because it gives an unfair advantage to the offensive team.
Dizzle is quietly cheering for more threads like these. It makes a lot of the stuff he said on the old boards like nothing.

[Da KO King]

I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!
:oldlol: Well played my man.

[TJ4'D]

My point, which you missed, was that because there are a lot of similarities, perhaps the reason you dont see it so much is because it isnt allowed. Which I actually dont think it is.

Except your point is completely wrong. It is allowed and frankly it is reatarded if there was a rule against it. There is nothing wrong with doing it and it is just great defensive strategy.


What the hell have you been paying attention to in 20 years?

Isn't it obvious that he is no more then a 15 year old who knows absolutely nothing about basketball and is just obsessed with LeBron?

[Optimus Prime]

That was some crazy defense by Battier. His hand was like an inch from Kobe's face. That would be incredibly distracting.

And he didn't foul Kobe either...impressive.

[No_Look604]

Let me guess, kicking a pass to stop an uncontested lay-up is wack too? Get the fu$K outta here! I was taught to get a hand in someone's face in JUNIOR HIGH cuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Come to think of it....how often do you block a jump shooter....most of the time a defender's job is to alter the shot...not block it(especially for guards).

p.s. What are peoples' opinions on yelling out something before someone goes up for a shot? I'm all for it, with moderation of course:P Usually do it when a guy's in close with an easy one.

[No_Look604]

go jack off to some more Lebron highlights.


hahahaha looking fwd to the other 4 pages of flaming.
C'mon people, admit the occasional retard on here makes for some good jokes.

[RainierBeachPoet]

Originally Posted by stephanieg
I hate this new tactic where players bounce the ball off the floor. They try to be all showy and flashy with it, trying to impress people. I think the kids call it "dribbling" or some such rubbish. Showboats, the whole lot of 'em!


:oldlol: Well played my man.

stephanie g is a man?

[Optimus Prime]

On the Internet, GIRL = Guy In Real Life


stephanie g is a man?

[No_Look604]

I'm a Kobe fan...but I'm surprised more people don't do it...it seems to be working

See, the thing is, you need that quick reaction time to block his visual before he gets that initial 1st look. Most of the time the hand in the face is a second late and by then, if Kobe wanted to, he could probably knock it down with his eyes closed. (*this goes for a bunch of players:P*)

[AppleNader]

I'm a Kobe fan...but I'm surprised more people don't do it...it seems to be working

The reason why most people don't do it is because they CAN'T do it. It really is a difficult skill to pull off. Battier is just one of those incredibly solid defenders who's quick enough to stay so close to Kobe, and disciplined enough to avoid unneccessary contact. His timing to get his hand in Kobe's face is really impeccible.

[lefthook00]

if You Dont Touch The Player You Can Do Whatever You Want. Jeez.

[1~Gibson~1]

i guess u havent heard about people poking u in the stomach when u go up 4 a shot too. it makes your stomach feel funny and it messes up ur shot a little. my bro taught me that:D

[Loki]

The reason why most people don't do it is because they CAN'T do it. It really is a difficult skill to pull off. Battier is just one of those incredibly solid defenders who's quick enough to stay so close to Kobe, and disciplined enough to avoid unneccessary contact. His timing to get his hand in Kobe's face is really impeccible.

Exactly. I've done it, and I've had it done to me, but I don't do it habitually because it's very difficult to do without fouling. Never mind being able to stay close enough to do it effectively.

What I do do a LOT is stick my hand directly in front of guys' faces when they drive if I'm out of the play and have no chance of stopping them. Like, I'll literally ride their side and put my hand directly in front of their eyes as they go for the layup. Works quite well, and fortunately I've never hit anyone in the face. :D

[GOBB]

Bruise Bones and Ron Insane do it. Not as much as Battier did it today in a game.

[dnyk1337]

:oldlol: Well played my man.

stephanie g is a man?


:roll:

[reppy]

I usually just make a loud yelping sound and hope the guy misses the lay up after blowing past me on D.

[Junny]

Nah nah look guys its not in the "spirit" of the game. Wen ur defending a jump shot, put both arms behind ur back, then jump. If ur gonna block, u hav to block with ur head.

And also I agree with the guy who said pick-and-rolls should be banned coz it gives the offensive team an advantage. I mean, its so unreasonable to expect the defending team to "belly up" or "switch", coz come on, its so hard to do.

Seriously tho, wat the hell were both of them thinkin? I thought ppl who came here new at least a tiny bit about basketball. Why would they even think of posting if they know nothing about the topic?

[Bruinlove]

That's not a new tactic idiot, it's existed since the game began. Even as a 5 year old on a park league team my coach taught me that ****

[imlmf]

the defender is doing whatever to contest the shot
plus he didn't even touch kobe
so there is absolutely nothing wrong about that, great defense

[Junny]

Boxing out should also be banned coz its not fair on the attacking team

Posting up should be banned coz its not fair on the smaller players

Inbounding the ball should be banned coz its not fair on the attacking team coz they only have 4 on the court to the defending teams 5

Any other suggestions?

[blazerftc]

p.s. What are peoples' opinions on yelling out something before someone goes up for a shot? I'm all for it, with moderation of course:P Usually do it when a guy's in close with an easy one.

Actually a few years ago a couple of Blazer players got fined for doing just that during a game winner by a dallas player in a first round playoff series.

[bdreason]

New tactic?

I was first taught this in 6th grade... almost 16 years ago...

[dejordan]

i really hope the op was kidding.

[gts]

i really hope the op was kidding.he's banned...lol

[rezznor]

he's banned...lol
createdplayer is pleezebelieve right?

[hotsizzle]

createdplayer is pleezebelieve right?

yes sir

[Myth]

Actually a few years ago a couple of Blazer players got fined for doing just that during a game winner by a dallas player in a first round playoff series.

Really? Woops. I've been a culprit of that for years in pick up games.

[rezznor]

yes sir
ok thought so. for a second there i waqs afraid there might actually be 2 psychotic lebron sac huggers on this board.

i am going to laugh so hard when his free agency comes up and he bolts for new york.

[GOBB]

createdplayer is pleezebelieve right?

He's also I'mSorryGuys!

[gts]

He's also I'mSorryGuys!yep, but he was lying...he was never really sorry

[No_Look604]

Actually a few years ago a couple of Blazer players got fined for doing just that during a game winner by a dallas player in a first round playoff series.

The players who were fined were players on the bench at the time tho, right?

Probably all crowding the shooter in the corner, infront of bench??

I just can't see a player on the floor getting fined.

I must admit, at the NBA level it seems silly yellin out when a guy has an open-look...when you consider professional shooting + crowd noise. However, I still think that ish is effective.

[Hawker]

:roll:

New tactic?

My middle school coach taught me this defense to me b/c I was too short to defend a jumpshot. Heck, I still use it if someone gets a shot on me b/c I know I wont block it. Works a lot of the time.

[biisak]

I think you guys are missing the point here. Of course you wanna get a hand up, making it harder for the shooter. However, you can not put your hand an inch away from someones face/eyes.

Again for the slower ones: Yes, "get a hand is in his face" (which is a metaphor for getting a hand up) is good defense because it makes it harder for the offensive player to get a shot of. HOWEVER putting your hand an inch away from the shooters eyes in a sweeping motion, like your gonna slap him, is not allowed. Basically for the same reasons that you cant clap your hands or stomp the ground right in front of a player who is shooting.

This discussion would be a lot more interesting though if there were some people with real knowledge (like a fellow ref?) here instead of just the regular 18.000-post baboons.

[rezznor]

I think you guys are missing the point here. Of course you wanna get a hand up, making it harder for the shooter. However, you can not put your hand an inch away from someones face/eyes.

Again for the slower ones: Yes, "get a hand is in his face" (which is a metaphor for getting a hand up) is good defense because it makes it harder for the offensive player to get a shot of. HOWEVER putting your hand an inch away from the shooters eyes in a sweeping motion, like your gonna slap him, is not allowed. Basically for the same reasons that you cant clap your hands or stomp the ground right in front of a player who is shooting.

This discussion would be a lot more interesting though if there were some people with real knowledge (like a fellow ref?) here instead of just the regular 18.000-post baboons.


find me any rule in the nba that says you cannot have your hand in front of a player's face. ive tried and couldnt find that rule. show it to me and the rest of us baboons please.

[Human Error]

:no:, no they haven't. People like Battier aren't even defending the ball. He's going right for Kobe face when he jumps.

That's wack.
Dan Majerle did it all the time, and he was drafted almost 20 years ago.

It's obvious that you haven't really watched basketball before.

[SourGrapes]

pb, this thread turned out to be a disaster!

[biisak]

find me any rule in the nba that says you cannot have your hand in front of a player's face. ive tried and couldnt find that rule. show it to me and the rest of us baboons please.

Im just saying... dont you think theres a reason that not EVERY defender in the NBA uses this tactic? Cus it

[BankShot]

[QUOTE=biisak]Im just saying... dont you think theres a reason that not EVERY defender in the NBA uses this tactic? Cus it

[rezznor]

[QUOTE=biisak]Im just saying... dont you think theres a reason that not EVERY defender in the NBA uses this tactic? Cus it

[SourGrapes]

no not really. its not easy to have to do that constantly and have it that close without fouling. and yes, other nba players do do that. not all do it as well.

its crazy people didnt know this. i thought this was common knowledge.

[Xsatyr]

I think you guys are missing the point here. Of course you wanna get a hand up, making it harder for the shooter. However, you can not put your hand an inch away from someones face/eyes.

Again for the slower ones: Yes, "get a hand is in his face" (which is a metaphor for getting a hand up) is good defense because it makes it harder for the offensive player to get a shot of. HOWEVER putting your hand an inch away from the shooters eyes in a sweeping motion, like your gonna slap him, is not allowed. Basically for the same reasons that you cant clap your hands or stomp the ground right in front of a player who is shooting.

This discussion would be a lot more interesting though if there were some people with real knowledge (like a fellow ref?) here instead of just the regular 18.000-post baboons.

The phrase "get a hand in his face" means get a hand in his face. Pretty simple to understand and is allowed in the NBA.

[Myth]

Yep. It is not a metaphor, they (and I) have actually always taught people to literally put a hand in front of a shooters face as a distraction/vision blocker. It is not always used because it does not seem to mess up a shot as much as the fear of getting blocked does, but if you can't convince the shooter that you may block their shot, then a hand in the face is the weapon of choice.

And no, it isn't to try to make them think they will get slapped, though I have seen a tactic where people act like they are going to do a gut punch to make the shooter flinch while shooting. This tactic is less used though, and I'm not sure if I've quite seen it in the NBA (may get a technical).

[LutherHeadJob]

i do it all the time, infact anyone who plays basketball does it, its called using your brain

[chains5000]

Has PB disappeared?:oldlol:

[Solid Snake]

Created Player, you stupid ****in 12 year old kid.


I bet when you play NBA 2K8, you try to drive with your best wing player 100% of the time, and even bring the ball up the court with him. Also, on defense you probably go for the steal every time. I can tell. I know what kind of human you are.

[ukballer]

Created Player, you stupid ****in 12 year old kid.


I bet when you play NBA 2K8, you try to drive with your best wing player 100% of the time, and even bring the ball up the court with him. Also, on defense you probably go for the steal every time. I can tell. I know what kind of human you are.

Haha I can just imagine him taking every shot with LeBron and having like 90+ points with him. Or better yet just have a whole roster of LeBrons! While playing using his controller with LeBron James stickers on it, sat on his LeBron James couch.

[chains5000]

Haha I can just imagine him taking every shot with LeBron and having like 90+ points with him. Or better yet just have a whole roster of LeBrons! While playing using his controller with LeBron James stickers on it, sat on his LeBron James couch.
He'd never do that. He left a roster spot for himself so he can play with his hero.

[Knoe Itawl]

Wow, what a terrible thread. Talk about exposing the fact that you've never played basketball.

[JtotheIzzo]

:)

I actually thought this thread was some sarcastic swipe at someone playing lackadaisical defense or refs calling every touch.

I can't believe this is serious.

OP is PB but falkin hell I thought even he was smarter than that.

sad sad sorry knowledge level exposed here...total self pwnage.

I think Jeff gave him a mercy ban.

[VCMVP1551]

When I say to myself the statement "new tactic of putting a hand in a shooters face" I can't help but laugh. That's what players are supposed to do. If you can't block the shot then atleast don't give the offensive player a good look at the basket.

[dejordan]

:)

I actually thought this thread was some sarcastic swipe at someone playing lackadaisical defense or refs calling every touch.

I can't believe this is serious.

OP is PB but falkin hell I thought even he was smarter than that.

sad sad sorry knowledge level exposed here...total self pwnage.

I think Jeff gave him a mercy ban.
:applause: too funny!

see, this one was so stupid that i'm starting to think maybe pb isn't a regular troll. maybe he's some kind of meta troll laughing at us for laughing at him. what is site policy on breaking the 4th wall?

[gpfanz]

Derek Fisher likes to do that :D

[wizzla11]

Created Player, you stupid ****in 12 year old kid.


I bet when you play NBA 2K8, you try to drive with your best wing player 100% of the time, and even bring the ball up the court with him. Also, on defense you probably go for the steal every time. I can tell. I know what kind of human you are.

This is a long thread and the OP stopped trying after page 2. He realized that he's an idiot and anything he ever posts again on this site will get shot down. Putting your hand in a guys face is wack...
I never heard such nonsense. He expects the defender to just stop once the guy shoots.

I don't think he plays NBA 2k8 or Live he's too young and most likely has a WII.

I bet he never post under created player again and changes his SI cause noone will respect any of created players comments.

[GOBB]

I think you guys are missing the point here. Of course you wanna get a hand up, making it harder for the shooter. However, you can not put your hand an inch away from someones face/eyes.

Again for the slower ones: Yes, "get a hand is in his face" (which is a metaphor for getting a hand up) is good defense because it makes it harder for the offensive player to get a shot of. HOWEVER putting your hand an inch away from the shooters eyes in a sweeping motion, like your gonna slap him, is not allowed. Basically for the same reasons that you cant clap your hands or stomp the ground right in front of a player who is shooting.

This discussion would be a lot more interesting though if there were some people with real knowledge (like a fellow ref?) here instead of just the regular 18.000-post baboons.

1. Baboons are smart
2. There is no rule that you CANT do what Battier does (as do other NBA players like Ron Artest, Bruise Bones)
3. You are right, we do need refs here because the 3 yesterday during the game didnt call a foul on Battier, nor did commentators cry "Thats a foul, Battier is getting away with murder!"
4. What Battier did is extremely difficult to pull off. Most will fear they would make contact someway so they shy away from that tactic...and if you notice defenders do put a hand in shooters faces but the difference is how far thier hand is from the face vs Battiers hand in Kobe's face.
5. Yeah those refs dropped the ball yesterday, numerous fouls on Battier because his hand was close to Kobe's face. :applause:
6. Kobe would have had 60 if Battier didnt cheat (sarcasm)


F*cking moron!

[VCMVP1551]

1. Baboons are smart
2. There is no rule that you CANT do what Battier does (as do other NBA players like Ron Artest, Bruise Bones)
3. You are right, we do need refs here because the 3 yesterday during the game didnt call a foul on Battier, nor did commentators cry "Thats a foul, Battier is getting away with murder!"
4. What Battier did is extremely difficult to pull off. Most will fear they would make contact someway so they shy away from that tactic...and if you notice defenders do put a hand in shooters faces but the difference is how far thier hand is from the face vs Battiers hand in Kobe's face.
5. Yeah those refs dropped the ball yesterday, numerous fouls on Battier because his hand was close to Kobe's face. :applause:


F*cking moron!

Exactly. As long as Battier or any other player isn't touching the players face how is there anything wrong with that? :roll: I've never heard of someone getting called for a foul for being close to touching a player.

[XxNeXuSxX]

Okay, if there was any last doubt that PleezeBelieve was a troll, it has to be gone.

Why isn't he perma banned ?

[konex]

I guess it's a good strategy but Battier is gonna poke someone's eyes out on of these days. His hand was right in Kobe's grill :roll:

[GOBB]

biisak = pb = imsorryguys = created moron?

Would make sense. What idiot types what biisak does then say "I wish there were refs as posters on this board to tell me how much of a DUMBASS i am". Like really.

Next biisak is gonna tell us its illegal to pump fake. You cant fake a defender like you're going to shoot but really dont. You cant do that! Same way you cant slap the floor, dance and moon the guy about to shoot his FTs!!!

[Lebron23]

Okay, if there was any last doubt that PleezeBelieve was a troll, it has to be gone.

Why isn't he perma banned ?


PB is actually a decent poster. He is just misunderstood for his undying love, and devotion to Lebron James.


RIP Pleezebelieve ( 2006-2008) :( :( :(

[Loki]

I've never tried it to the extent that Battier displayed today, but my guess is that it takes a certain level of dexterity and reaction time to be able to place one's hand in there quick enough without fouling.

It does, and this is exactly why more guys don't do it. For it to be truly effective, you also have to remain close enough to the shooter, which is not easy when a guy like Kobe is trying to put moves on you to free himself up.

In a way, it's actually easier to do against a guy like Kobe who has perfect shooting form than it is against guys who have awkward/incorrect shooting forms, because you always know that he's going to bring the ball straight up from his pocket and that his arms will be spaced in a certain way.

[VCMVP1551]

It does, and this is exactly why more guys don't do it. For it to be truly effective, you also have to remain close enough to the shooter, which is not easy when a guy like Kobe is trying to put moves on you to free himself up.

In a way, it's actually easier to do against a guy like Kobe who has perfect shooting form than it is against guys who have awkward/incorrect shooting forms, because you always know that he's going to bring the ball straight up from his pocket and that his arms will be spaced in a certain way.

Yeah I'd imagine it'd be hard doing it against Shawn Marion. Although Marion releases the ball around his face anyway so that would be an automatic block. :roll:

[GOBB]

PB is actually a decent poster. He is just misunderstood for his undying love, and devotion to Lebron James.


RIP Pleezebelieve ( 2006-2008) :( :( :(

Darius Miles is a good basketball player. Sorry you dont get props for what you could have become, moreso for what you became. Period.

[konex]

Kobe should just wear goggles vs. the Rockets next game. I've seen face-guarding but I've NEVER seen it to that extent in a game or while playing myself. I guess it'd be pretty frustrating especially when you're not getting any calls driving to the hoop lol

[3stat2]

My high school coach mentioned that it's especially useful at cooling down jumpshooters who've caught fire. I've done it before, but I don't try to do it all the time. It's hard to do against experienced skilled players who know what they're doing. And sometimes people are skilled enough that they get a good enough look at the rim before you get your hand there, to drain the shot. Over all my years of playing, I've gotten one complaint about it - during a pickup game, from some dorky-looking idiot who was a complete ballhog and had no moves besides a spin followed with a jumpshot.

The fact that Battier could consistently keep up with someone as skilled at creating his own shot as Kobe Byrant is pretty amazing.

Edit - found a clip of it on youtube. Video quality is a little dodge but you can see it easily on the last 3 pointer Kobe put up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hFOPJZhG28
Battier simply has an excellent defensive basketball IQ.

[wizzla11]

My high school coach mentioned that it's especially useful at cooling down jumpshooters who've caught fire. I've done it before, but I don't try to do it all the time. It's hard to do against experienced skilled players who know what they're doing. And sometimes people are skilled enough that they get a good enough look at the rim before you get your hand there, to drain the shot. Over all my years of playing, I've gotten one complaint about it - during a pickup game, from some dorky-looking idiot who was a complete ballhog and had no moves besides a spin followed with a jumpshot.

The fact that Battier could consistently keep up with someone as skilled at creating his own shot as Kobe Byrant is pretty amazing.

Edit - found a clip of it on youtube. Video quality is a little dodge but you can see it easily on the last 3 pointer Kobe put up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hFOPJZhG28
Battier simply has an excellent defensive basketball IQ.

I had a similar complaint once playing with girls (it was the last time I ever played with them) It was pick up in college with guys from my team and girls from the girls team
a girl was taking a shot and I ran at her with my hand extended and yelled out shot. She got mad cause I yelled like I was cheating or something. All the guys laughed and we kicked all the girls out of the game.

[Dwight_Howard12]

I do this too....

[vert48]

I had a similar complaint once playing with girls (it was the last time I ever played with them) It was pick up in college with guys from my team and girls from the girls team
a girl was taking a shot and I ran at her with my hand extended and yelled out shot. She got mad cause I yelled like I was cheating or something. All the guys laughed and we kicked all the girls out of the game.She should have hit you in the face with the ball. Completely legal, but just as bush league.

[vert48]

So, after all the sh!t Created Player has posted over the last few months, this is what got him banned? WTF?!?

[TMac&Luther]

So, after all the sh!t Created Player has posted over the last few months, this is what got him banned? WTF?!?

Did he really get banned? :oldlol:

[Myth]

:roll:

I like LeBron, so its good to remove people that make LeBron fans look bad.

[RIMMER]

Crazy thing is...Battier does this EVERYtime he guards Kobe. It just happened to "work" a little better in this particular game. For a guy as talented as Kobe, a hand in the face wont even matter if he gets hot. Like those other games where Kobe dropped 50 on the Rockets. He did it with Battier's hand literally 1 inch from his face. Shane is an incredible defender, and that makes Kobe's offense that much more impressive.

[vert48]

Crazy thing is...Battier does this EVERYtime he guards Kobe. It just happened to "work" a little better in this particular game. For a guy as talented as Kobe, a hand in the face wont even matter if he gets hot. Like those other games where Kobe dropped 50 on the Rockets. He did it with Battier's hand literally 1 inch from his face. Shane is an incredible defender, and that makes Kobe's offense that much more impressive.All kobe needed to do was not fade away on a few of those and Battier would have fouled him. So, start out with a few fade aways to get Battier extending further, then go straight up or even forward and battier hits him in the face and gets called for it. People used to do this to Karl Malone, so he started kicking his foot out.

[RIMMER]

All kobe needed to do was not fade away on a few of those and Battier would have fouled him. So, start out with a few fade aways to get Battier extending further, then go straight up or even forward and battier hits him in the face and gets called for it. People used to do this to Karl Malone, so he started kicking his foot out.

Easier said than done. There's no reason for Kobe to change his shot for the sole purpose of getting his defender into foul trouble. In fact, I think that would throw him off even more. I think Battier has watched enough Kobe footage and has played him 1v1 enough times to have a concrete grasp on his offensive tendencies and the viable adjustments to be made.

But as I said before, if Kobe gets hot, there is absolutely nothing Battier can do to stop him.

[vert48]

Easier said than done. There's no reason for Kobe to change his shot for the sole purpose of getting his defender into foul trouble. In fact, I think that would throw him off even more. I think Battier has watched enough Kobe footage and has played him 1v1 enough times to have a concrete grasp on his offensive tendencies and the viable adjustments to be made.

But as I said before, if Kobe gets hot, there is absolutely nothing Battier can do to stop him.I am not saying that he change all of his shots, just that he throw in a Crazy Ivan every once in awhile, especially when Battier was really in the groove and playing tight defense.
When I am holding the ball, looking to pass and a defender who plays me really tight is jumping all over the place trying to swat at the ball, constantly hitting me in the arms, I just step through on him. I only need to do it once, and the problem is solved.

[RIMMER]

Some funny stuff from the Clutch BBS:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/vladthegreat81/whereithappens.jpg

http://www.c3homedesign.com/sishir/talktothehand.jpg

[dejordan]

Easier said than done. There's no reason for Kobe to change his shot for the sole purpose of getting his defender into foul trouble. In fact, I think that would throw him off even more. I think Battier has watched enough Kobe footage and has played him 1v1 enough times to have a concrete grasp on his offensive tendencies and the viable adjustments to be made.

But as I said before, if Kobe gets hot, there is absolutely nothing Battier can do to stop him.
you always have the best avatars. by far.

anyway, i think what the rockets did that made the faceguarding work so well yesterday was to fight kobe off the ball so that he got it and didn't have time to make a lot of moves. when he tried to take battier off the dribble, he met with a lot of success as far as getting into the paint, but he didn't get to make a lot of moves because the d was smothering without the ball, and when he did make moves, the team rotated really well. he missed some pressiured shots inside and made some passes to guys in spots that bynum or gasol would have easily converted.

[GOBB]

Some funny stuff from the Clutch BBS:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/vladthegreat81/whereithappens.jpg

http://www.c3homedesign.com/sishir/talktothehand.jpg

He's not allowed to do that tho. Thats a foul

[vert48]

p.s. What are peoples' opinions on yelling out something before someone goes up for a shot? I'm all for it, with moderation of course:P Usually do it when a guy's in close with an easy one.Be careful with that. Do that to the wrong guy and you will be picking your teeth out of his elbow next time down the floor.

[chains5000]

Did he really get banned? :oldlol:
He changed his "Lebron troll..." stuff to "Banned" so he can leave for a few days till everyday forgets this thread and what an ***hole he is.
Pretty clever.

[sweetmoney]

lame post.

disrupting the shooter's view of the rim is better than nothing.

[fishysmiles13]

And how exactly is this puss?:party:

[fishysmiles13]

I am not saying that he change all of his shots, just that he throw in a Crazy Ivan every once in awhile, especially when Battier was really in the groove and playing tight defense.
When I am holding the ball, looking to pass and a defender who plays me really tight is jumping all over the place trying to swat at the ball, constantly hitting me in the arms, I just step through on him. I only need to do it once, and the problem is solved.

How is the problem solved if you get one foul on your defender? Not only will it disrupt your shot and your offensive flow, it might not even be called a foul; not all defenders will fall for that. :)

[Da KO King]

I didn't get to see all of the game but one thing that I noticed that played into Houston's hand was Phil Jackson kept running side pick and rolls for Kobe on the left wing even though Houston was "blue'ing" the screen. LA should have flipped those to the right wing and see if it would force Houston's hand.

[Loki]

Crazy thing is...Battier does this EVERYtime he guards Kobe. It just happened to "work" a little better in this particular game. For a guy as talented as Kobe, a hand in the face wont even matter if he gets hot. Like those other games where Kobe dropped 50 on the Rockets. He did it with Battier's hand literally 1 inch from his face. Shane is an incredible defender, and that makes Kobe's offense that much more impressive.

Neither of Kobe's 50 point games vs. Houston last season were particularly impressive, and one of them was downright poor as far as 50 point games go. So Battier has had an effect even when Kobe has ended up with big point totals.

[XxNeXuSxX]

He changed his "Lebron troll..." stuff to "Banned" so he can leave for a few days till everyday forgets this thread and what an ***hole he is.
Pretty clever.
heh, you actually made me look that up, you bastard. :oldlol:

[RIMMER]

Neither of Kobe's 50 point games vs. Houston last season were particularly impressive, and one of them was downright poor as far as 50 point games go. So Battier has had an effect even when Kobe has ended up with big point totals.

I was at one of those 50 point games. Staples Center, game on ESPN, went into OT. Kobe heated up in the fourth and got his own miss off a free throw to hit a fade-away three, falling out of bounds, to send the game into overtime. Didnt matter what Battier did once Kobe got hot, even though he guarded him EXTREMELY well through the first three quarters.

Lakers lost in OT, but regardless, Kobe had a pretty damn impressive 50 point outting.

[hotsizzle]

Any other new tactics out there ?

[SourGrapes]

hhhhhaaaaaa how can pleezebelieve even attempt to sound like he knows sh*t about basketball afer this debacle?

hey pleeze, heres a new tactic for you: watch basketball for longer than lebron has been in the league before you spout off about anything.

[rezznor]

this is a great self-owned thread :oldlol:

[Myth]

hey pleeze, heres a new tactic for you: watch basketball for longer than lebron has been in the league before you spout off about anything.

Well, if he started watching basketball after LeBron joined, doesn't that mean he's going to have to wait until LeBron retires to have been watching longer than LeBron's been in the league?

[chains5000]

Great BUMP :roll:

[SourGrapes]

Well, if he started watching basketball after LeBron joined, doesn't that mean he's going to have to wait until LeBron retires to have been watching longer than LeBron's been in the league?

lol...no. do you understand what is being said?

[allball]

I know I'm late but my cousin was doing this to me in the late 70's when I was a kid. used to hate it but once I mastered concentration it didn't bother me. seriously dude were you in a time capsule for the last 30 years?

[loot]

http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/GMR/hmp/resources/biographies/spinoza/spinoza.gif

Say, what's IS this new tactic?

[shaoyut]

tim duncan on drik

[Admiral]

What, exactly is he to do? When Kobe elevates for a jumpshot, Battie, along with every other defender, doesn't have the jump speed and length to get up and block a jumpshot. Contesting the shot is more effective with blocking the view of the player rather than risking hitting the wrist of a shot they can't block.

+1

EDIT: jesus i didn't realize this was at 11 pages lol...

[jjayfive]

every player that attempts to block a shot when the opponent is going up for a lay up is wack....