!:POLL:! Amare Stoudemire or Dirk Nowitzki

[PhxFanAtBirth]

If you guys had to choose one of these guys right now who do you take?

[el_locoteee]

Dirk

[Artillery]

I choose Duncan or Garnett

[el_locoteee]

I choose Duncan or Garnett

LOL

[Justinxpx109]

Amare obviously

[jasonterry]

I choose Duncan or Garnett

why garnett?

[JtotheIzzo]

Dirk used to be better in the now than Amare, but since the Diesel trade, and with Amare's youth you would have to say Amare now and Amare for the future.

[PhxFanAtBirth]

why garnett?

So should I put you down for Dirk or for Amare? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ShowTime LA]

Dirk

[bigkingsfan]

The sexay German

[jasonterry]

Dirk used to be better in the now than Amare, but since the Diesel trade, and with Amare's youth you would have to say Amare now and Amare for the future.

dirk shooting over 55% since the kidd trade means he's declining? Interesting.

[jasonterry]

So should I put you down for Dirk or for Amare? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Obviously Amare. I love guys who get backed down and dunked on by mehmet okur.

[statman32]

Dirk
Figures. I see your ass is still sore from all the AMare vs Yao threads.

You know my response. Give me the dude that is putting up 29/9 as a pf. Only people who would take Dirk, our homer Mavs/Rockets/Magic/Lakers fans.

[statman32]

Obviously Amare. I love guys who get backed down and dunked on by mehmet okur.
What the **** are you talking about? :oldlol:

[jasonterry]

Figures. I see your ass is still sore from all the AMare vs Yao threads.

You know my response. Give me the dude that is putting up 29/9 as a pf. Only people who would take Dirk, our homer Mavs/Rockets/Magic/Lakers fans.

or people who watch/know basketball. otherwise, go for the 2nd option on a team who made the WCF when he missed the entire season

[JtotheIzzo]

dirk shooting over 55% since the kidd trade means he's declining? Interesting.

No, but since the Shaq trade Amare is the fifth best player in the league behind KB, LBJ, KG, CP3.

[PhxFanAtBirth]

Obviously Amare. I love guys who get backed down and dunked on by mehmet okur.

Alright so thats another vote for Amare.

[jasonterry]

No, but since the Shaq trade Amare is the fifth best player in the league behind KB, LBJ, KG, CP3.

in your opinion, of course. you're still only 3 games above dallas. Hopefully when we meet again both guys will play.

[DatZNasty]

Obviously Amare. I love guys who get backed down and dunked on by mehmet okur.
As opposed to guys who get dunked on by Matt Barnes?
http://www.nba.com/media/warriors/BarnesBlog_050407_250.jpg

[c_az_a]

I'll take 58% FG over 49%

[JtotheIzzo]

in your opinion, of course. you're still only 3 games above dallas. Hopefully when we meet again both guys will play.

hardly, there is both empirical data and simple observation that leads to the same conclusion.

Watch the games sometime.

[jasonterry]

As opposed to guys who get dunked on by Matt Barnes?
http://www.nba.com/media/warriors/BarnesBlog_050407_250.jpg

dude, thats coming on help because no one guarded barnes. amare just gets abused one on one. that doesnt happen really to dirk.

[PhxFanAtBirth]

Amare leads the contest 6-4

[mavsfan4zindagi]

If it was for just one year and if Shaq and Nash are next to him, then its Dirk by a long shot.

But for the long run you definitely take Amare.

[PhxFanAtBirth]

Amare leads 7-4 with that vote from Mavsfan

[jasonterry]

hardly, there is both empirical data and simple observation that leads to the same conclusion.

Watch the games sometime.

I like your flame, man. Pretty good. lets see how you guys fare the rest of this season against the real teams.

[BlackVVaves]

I like your flame, man. Pretty good. lets see how you guys fare the rest of this season against the real teams.

No need to get bitter. He could easily say to you "I'd like to see how you guys fare the res..oh wait. You haven't beaten one decent team in the last month."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion mate.

It just seems that this is a little more fact than opionion.

[JtotheIzzo]

I like your flame, man. Pretty good. lets see how you guys fare the rest of this season against the real teams.

at least the Suns will make the playoffs:roll:

[DatZNasty]

I like your flame, man. Pretty good. lets see how you guys fare the rest of this season against the real teams.
:oldlol: coming from a fan of a team who is 0-10 in their last 10 games against teams with winning records.

[jasonterry]

at least the Suns will make the playoffs:roll:

LOL. If dirk misses the next week, we are done.

[PhxFanAtBirth]

LOL. If dirk misses the next week, we are done.

If Dirk PLAYS the next week. Your are (Stick a fork in you) done.

[jasonterry]

If Dirk PLAYS the next week. Your are (Stick a fork in you) done.

thta makese no sense

[PhxFanAtBirth]

thta makese no sense

Sure it does, it's pointing out that you still couldn't beat a +.500 team even when Dirk and JKidd were playing together

[June1026]

really, as of now, Warriors and Nuggets have better chance to make the playoffs than the Mavs.

Mavs 0-9 against above .500 teams, and 7 of their last 10 games are against above .500 teams, If I were you, I blame everything on Cuban, worst NBA owner in NBA history.

[Artillery]

Sure it does, it's pointing out that you still couldn't beat a +.500 team even when Dirk and JKidd were playing together

I sure as hell ain't a Mav fan but who are Suns fans to talk when their team has an 8-14 record against Western Conference playoff teams?

Even the Cavs have a better win % against the top 8 West teams than the Suns.

[statman32]

I sure as hell ain't a Mav fan but who are Suns fans to talk when their team has an 8-14 record against Western Conference playoff teams?

Even the Cavs have a better win % against the top 8 West teams than the Suns.
What team are you a fan of?

[Lebron23]

Amare Stoudemire

[PhxFanAtBirth]

Amare leads 8-4!

[Silverbullit]

Dirk, of course!

[PhxFanAtBirth]

Amare leads 8-5

[Silverbullit]

If it was for just one year and if Shaq and Nash are next to him, then its Dirk by a long shot.

But for the long run you definitely take Amare.


Amare leads 7-4 with that vote from Mavsfan

Why does this vote count for Amare?

[RagingBull33]

Dirk. He may not have the scoring or rebounding edge, but he's a better passer/decision maker/high Bball IQ player. Amare in his prime will be a GREAT second option that puts up very good stats, but that's all I can see from him. Dirk has led a team worse than Amare's to the Finals, and despite what many people say, Dirk is average in the clutch. Not above or below, just average. Dirk does things that help his team win, and consistently play at a high level.

[Silverbullit]

really, as of now, Warriors and Nuggets have better chance to make the playoffs than the Mavs.

Mavs 0-9 against above .500 teams, and 7 of their last 10 games are against above .500 teams, If I were you, I blame everything on Cuban, worst NBA owner in NBA history.

The Mavs are 6-4 their last 10 games!

[JtotheIzzo]

really, as of now, Warriors and Nuggets have better chance to make the playoffs than the Mavs.

Mavs 0-9 against above .500 teams, and 7 of their last 10 games are against above .500 teams, If I were you, I blame everything on Cuban, worst NBA owner in NBA history.

c'mon now, that franchise was on life support before Cuban got there. He saved the team.

[Dizzle-2k7]

OP sure picked a great time to create this thread.. considering Dirk is out ...

[23airjordan23]

studemire by far

[Artillery]

OP sure picked a great time to create this thread.. considering Dirk is out ...

Whoever said Suns fans were classy? They echo the mannerisms of their head coach to a T: Annoying, whiny, clueless, and brimming with a sense of entitlement

[Dasher]

Give me Amare. The Mavs are lucky that the pick they traded for Kidd this year is lotto protected.

[LutherHeadJob]

Man the suns fans need to grow up, just because someone choses Dirk doesn't make them a troll, because you disagree with someone it doesn't mean your right, grow up you kids

i choose amare

[kidachi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VohyAsJVAxU

[3stat2]

Add another vote for Amare. :)

[brandonislegend]

amare, atleast he blocks shots, he might not play defense but look at dirk lol.

[Dasher]

Plus Dirk is bitch-made, no bitch made player has ever led his team to a chip, and if your first option is bitch-made he should be replaced.

[kobedaman24]

Amare

[el_locoteee]

Man the suns fans need to grow up, just because someone choses Dirk doesn't make them a troll, because you disagree with someone it doesn't mean your right, grow up you kids

i choose amare

Is funny how they ask for your vote and them B*I*T*C*H for who you vote for.

I thought that only Lakers fans were annoying bandwagon kids. But this new phoenix fans are real close.

[23airjordan23]

Is funny how they ask for your vote and them B*I*T*C*H for who you vote for.

I thought that only Lakers fans were annoying bandwagon kids. But this new phoenix fans are real close.

Why do you think suns fans are bandwagons?

Some of them are idiots not bandwagon.

[el_locoteee]

Why do you think suns fans are bandwagons?

Some of them are idiots not bandwagon.

Other than statman32 I don't hear much about the others like PhxFanAtBirth,, since 2006 he only have only 627 post and the majority have been since Amare have been move to PF. Some of them like Kobe lovers are player fans before team fans.

[Make It Rain]

Before this season, I would've taken Dirk hands down. But Amare has clearly stepped it up this year. So I'm taking STAT.

[Miller Time]

Dirk, give me the guy who is a legit 1st option.

Amare needs more time.

I guess in the long run Amare would be the better choice since he is younger, but I still choose Dirk. Dirk can create for himself.

[Silverbullit]

Plus Dirk is bitch-made, no bitch made player has ever led his team to a chip, and if your first option is bitch-made he should be replaced.

You seem to be very familar with the making of Dirk.

You must be his brother, do you have the same mother?

[23airjordan23]

Other than statman32 I don't hear much about the others like PhxFanAtBirth,, since 2006 he only have only 627 post and the majority have been since Amare have been move to PF. Some of them like Kobe lovers are player fans before team fans.

Fair Enough,
But im not a bandwagon fan just making it clear

[RIP CITY]

Amare

[KeylessEntry]

Dirk has had a good career, but if I was building a team right now I would take Amare hands down.

[R11DMAN]

What if Shaq was traded to the Mavs? How much better would Dirk be?

Dirk or Amare without Shaq.. I'll take Dirk pls.

[dirkdiggler41]

I have to go with Dirk. He has cared his team and is the mvp of his own team compared to Amare. If you trade Amare for Dirk, I dont see the mavs becoming any better in the regular season or the playoff. If Dirk was playing with the Suns, I could see them being the same Suns team, but the playoff would be something different. Shaq is not the young Shaq anymore, but to double team him is hard with Dirk out there. That team would just be amazing. Extremly hard to guard, but easy to score against. To sum up, I will take Dirk

[Human Error]

Amare. I need my big man to play like a big man.

[GOAT:MANU]

or people who watch/know basketball. otherwise, go for the 2nd option on a team who made the WCF when he missed the entire season
he's the biggest Amare's homer.
don't argue with him. for him Amare is the God

[GOAT:MANU]

guys put this way:
who's the best guy of his own team?

Amare????????????????? hell no, i don't think so, nash is the number 1 of Suns.
So, we don't compare 1st option to 2nd option, it's like we compare a Ferrari to a Ford.... they're not in the same cathegory.....

[GOAT:MANU]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You seem to be very familar with the making of Dirk.

You must be his brother, do you have the same mother?

[Norcaliblunt]

Amare.

[GOBB]

Dirk because I like p*ssy a lot. Dirk = p*ssy.

Oh we're talkin basketball? Amare, not too fond of tall woman bball players.

[Dasher]

You seem to be very familar with the making of Dirk.

You must be his brother, do you have the same mother?
Any seven footer who takes fade away jumpers over the likes of Tony Parker, is out muscled by the likes of Stephen Jackson, and drives to the basket only to throw up a weak layup attempt and fall to the floor is bitch-made. There is no way around it.
He is weaker than ice water, with a Aquafina chaser.

[Silverbullit]

Any seven footer who takes fade away jumpers over the likes of Tony Parker, is out muscled by the likes of Stephen Jackson, and drives to the basket only to throw up a weak layup attempt and fall to the floor is bitch-made. There is no way around it.
He is weaker than ice water, with a Aquafina chaser.

Fine, and those who dunk when they can make an easy layup are strong, I assume?

[DavidLeeforMVP]

dirk way better than amare:banana:

[Maniak]

Amare

[Silverbullit]

Dirk because I like p*ssy a lot. Dirk = p*ssy.

Oh we're talkin basketball? Amare, not too fond of tall woman bball players.

:bowdown: I can see you are a basketball professor.
Very funded, self-explanatory analysis...oh, that word sounds delicious to you, I think :rolleyes:

[GOBB]

:bowdown: I can see you are a basketball professor.
Very funded, self-explanatory analysis...oh, that word sounds delicious to you, I think :rolleyes:

Yup, and Dirk mom is Heidi Fliess...she sold that p*ssy to Stern. :applause:

[kps]

Amare

[bence23]

Guess

[GOBB]

Any seven footer who takes fade away jumpers over the likes of Tony Parker, is out muscled by the likes of Stephen Jackson, and drives to the basket only to throw up a weak layup attempt and fall to the floor is bitch-made. There is no way around it.
He is weaker than ice water, with a Aquafina chaser.

Exactly...i dont know why idiots errr Dirk supporters are defending how this 7 foot coochie plays. He's soft and there is no getting around it. I bet they would defend Shawn Bradley and say he was tough because he is on a lot of posters. The logic?

"Takes a lot of balls to recieve facials."

No it doesnt...ask any female.

[Dasher]

Fine, and those who dunk when they can make an easy layup are strong, I assume?
Dunks are the highest percentage shots in the game. Layups very rarely can change the momentum of a game but a well timed dunk can swing the pendulum and make a fellow big think twice about contesting your shot. If I had to choose between a bigman who was a slasher and a bigman who is a jumpshooter I will choose the slasher everytime. The slasher has a greater chance of getting the opposing team in foul trouble and because of that negatively affecting the help defense of the opposing squad. This allows everyone to get to the basket easier, forces perimeter defenders to play off, which in turn allows jump shooters to have an easier time finding their shots.

No big man on my team would be goose-down pillow soft like Dirk, unless he was coming off the bench Matt Bullard style.

[Silverbullit]

Yup, and Dirk mom is Heidi Fliess...she sold that p*ssy to Stern. :applause:

Atleast someone paid for Dirk :banana:

[Silverbullit]

Dunks are the highest percentage shots in the game. Layups very rarely can change the momentum of a game but a well timed dunk can swing the pendulum and make a fellow big think twice about contesting your shot. If I had to choose between a bigman who was a slasher and a bigman who is a jumpshooter I will choose the slasher everytime. The slasher has a greater chance of getting the opposing team in foul trouble and because of that negatively affecting the help defense of the opposing squad. This allows everyone to get to the basket easier, forces perimeter defenders to play off, which in turn allows jump shooters to have an easier time finding their shots.

No big man on my team would be goose-down pillow soft like Dirk, unless he was coming off the bench Matt Bullard style.

And how much of those glorified dunks are created by the dunker?

[Dasher]

And how much of those glorified dunks are created by the dunker?
Well it takes two to tango. Amare's ability to run the pick and roll to perfection should not be held against him. No one thought Nash was an MVP before he was paired with Amare. Amare was ROY and on his way to a fruitful career before the pairing. Amare isos and does not take 10 seconds off the shot clock to do it. He blows by his man and destroys him. His ability to run the break should not be held against him, because not every big in the game can intelligently run a break. Hell there are many point guards who can't run a fast break. There are reads that have to be read in the fast break and it is way more complicated than most ISHers can comprehend.

[ACCBaller1403]

This year and probably the next 2 or 3? I'd pick Dirk.

Building for the future? I'd take Amare.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

For right now. Amare.

[Brunch@Five]

Dirk, and to me it's a no-brainer. Amare is not a franchise player unless he learns to pass.

[Dasher]

Dirk, and to me it's a no-brainer. Amare is not a franchise player unless he learns to pass.
Dirk is not a franchise player until he learns to defend. The game, like GOAT:MANU, goes both ways.

[Silverbullit]

Dirk is not a franchise player until he learns to defend. The game, like GOAT:MANU, goes both ways.

So Dallas has no franchise player, and who is the franchise player of the Suns? Nash? No defender! Amare? No defender! Shawn Marion? Gone....

Yeah, the franchise player is Shaquille O'Neal! :)

[GOAT:MANU]

So Dallas has no franchise player, and who is the franchise player of the Suns? Nash? No defender! Amare? No defender! Shawn Marion? Gone....

Yeah, the franchise player is Shaquille O'Neal! :)
:banana: :cheers: :cheers:
good said :party:

[statman32]

Dirk, and to me it's a no-brainer. Amare is not a franchise player unless he learns to pass.
Please don't comment on **** you don't know about.. Amare has already improved his passing which is evident by his apg since he moved back to pf. If you would actually watch him play more than a couple times you would know he rarely forces it and is great at finding guys cutting from the baseline.. Not as good a passer as Dirk but he doesn't have to be.. Things aren't as simple as he's not a franchise player until he improves his passing. .Anyways Dirk and Amare are about equal to me right now and the only reason I'm kinds hestitant in saying that is because of Dirk in the playoffs last year. I know he's nowhere near as bad a choker as people say but that still does bring he's value down a little.. Let's not forget that Amare has never had a bad or even average playoff series. Dude always steps up his game.

[GOAT:MANU]

Please don't comment on **** you don't know about.. Amare has already improved his passing which is evident by his apg since he moved back to pf. If you would actually watch him play more than a couple times you would know he rarely forces it and is great at finding guys cutting from the baseline.. Not as good a passer as Dirk but he doesn't have to be.. Things aren't as simple as he's not a franchise player until he improves his passing. .Anyways Dirk and Amare are about equal to me right now and the only reason I'm kinds hestitant in saying that is because of Dirk in the playoffs last year. I know he's nowhere near as bad a choker as people say but that still does bring he's value down a little.. Let's not forget that Amare has never had a bad or even average playoff series. Dude always steps up his game.

i'm sorry dude, but dirk leads mavs to THE PLAYOFF, AND NASH LEADs suns to the playoff, and end of the thread.

[Dasher]

So Dallas has no franchise player, and who is the franchise player of the Suns? Nash? No defender! Amare? No defender! Shawn Marion? Gone....

Yeah, the franchise player is Shaquille O'Neal! :)
I never said that Amare was a franchise player. And his defensive inability is overrated. He is not Tim Duncan but he is sure as Hades not as bad as Dirk. He is a slightly above-average defender.

If given the choice between the two I would choose Amare because he actually strikes fear in other teams bigs. They are afraid to challenge him when he gets into the paint. Dirk on the other hand flails wildly and throws up TCBY soft-serve garbage and looks to the refs
to bail him out. Dirk has the mind of a second option and was not/is not ready for the leadership role that being the franchise requires. At this point in his career neither is Amare.

Once again if given the choice I choose Amare.



Second again if given the choice I choose Amare.


And in closing if given the choice I choose Amare.


note:very few ISHers factor in pace when they discuss defense, more possessions equal more scoring opportunities. Points per possession should be the measure of defensive efficiency. This notion was/is championed by the great Chuck Daly himself.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

I'll take Amare. Ever since Amare has gotten back to his natural position, da PF, he's been beasting. I've never been a big fan of Dirk, he's a choke.

[Brunch@Five]

Please don't comment on **** you don't know about.. Amare has already improved his passing which is evident by his apg since he moved back to pf. If you would actually watch him play more than a couple times you would know he rarely forces it and is great at finding guys cutting from the baseline.. Not as good a passer as Dirk but he doesn't have to be.. Things aren't as simple as he's not a franchise player until he improves his passing. .Anyways Dirk and Amare are about equal to me right now and the only reason I'm kinds hestitant in saying that is because of Dirk in the playoffs last year. I know he's nowhere near as bad a choker as people say but that still does bring he's value down a little.. Let's not forget that Amare has never had a bad or even average playoff series. Dude always steps up his game.

Of course you have to be a great passer to be a franchise player. You need to be able to create looks for your teammates, command double teams and get your teammates the ball. You have to be some kind of facilitator. His scoring prowess isn't worth half as much as the stats as long as his teammates don't benefit greatly off it. The Suns role players benefit from Nash slashing and passing, not from Amare's isolations and rolls to the basket.

There is a reason the Lakers play best when Kobe operates from the post, and the Bulls were best when Jordan played in the post. They demand double teams and can pass the ball more easily.
There is a reason Duncan's and Shaq's teams were always great, because as post players they commanded double teams and knew how to pass the ball.
There is a reason why Dirk's teams always win 55+ games. Hint: he operates from the (high) post and demands lots of defensive attention.

You know what all great players in history have in common? They created not only for themselves, they created opportunities for the whole team. Amare does not do that (yet).

Passing is the difference between a 'Nique and a Jordan, between a Dantley and a Bird, between a Gilbert and an Isiah Thomas, between a McHale and a Duncan. It's also the difference between Amare and Dirk (right now)

[Robens24]

Dirk

[Bird]

Dirk

I have no clue why this post was bumped, but it really was a comical read.

It's too bad this thread wasn't revisited summer of 2010....just two short years after it was started.

At least Amare turned out to be the great player everyone touted him to be........:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol:

[305Baller]

Dirk was the answer.

[kenny817]

I'll take Amare. Ever since Amare has gotten back to his natural position, da PF, he's been beasting. I've never been a big fan of Dirk, he's a choke.

Hilarious coming from a Rockets fan :roll: :roll: :roll: