Amare is the most dominant player in the league..

[konex]

This guy is frikken unguardable right now. Sure the shooters around him help but ****, NOBODY can guard him one on one. And he's hitting jumpers now plus his ft% is exceptional. This is looking bad for the WC :cry:

[Flashbeanie]

Of the top 5 scorers in the league, I would take only Lebron or Kobe over Amare. Anthony and Iverson just aren't as valuable. No one else has been moving up the scoring rankings as much as Amare has this season. Of course, that's largely due to Marion leaving, but it's still amazing.

[nash4eva!gosuns]

This guy is frikken unguardable right now. Sure the shooters around him help but ****, NOBODY can guard him one on one. And he's hitting jumpers now plus his ft% is exceptional. This is looking bad for the WC :cry:



please dont jinx it. really.

but yes, amare's great. he's like :eek:

[jasonterry]

Man, you really are one of the most worthless posters here

[KeylessEntry]

He has been playing exceptionally well since another man who was once called the most dominant player in the league joined his team. Amare is scary good offensively but being surrounded by amazing talent doesnt hurt. No matter how you look at it, Amare is worlds better than Dirk!

[statman32]

Um...yah idk about this thread. :oldlol:

...He is playing ridiculous though...

[The_Blur]

Man, you really are one of the most worthless posters here

Nice avatar!

[KenneBell]

Amare's been good. Now that Shaq takes attention away from him and he's moved to his traditional spot, he's even better.

If the Lakers set their offense up right, the same thing can happen for Bynum and Gasol.

[Fatal_Flaw]

The Shaq trade has been great to Amare. :pimp:

[jasonterry]

He has been playing exceptionally well since another man who was once called the most dominant player in the league joined his team. Amare is scary good offensively but being surrounded by amazing talent doesnt hurt. No matter how you look at it, Amare is worlds better than Dirk!

at what? I really can't wait for the mavs-suns game now...

[The_Blur]

Get ready for another heated debtate about who's the most moninant gib man in the league.

[DoubleTech]

i think people are underrating shaq's presence.

amare was good before the trade, but has been going off on another level since...

[Dbrog]

He is basically a larger and therefore more dominant Lebron in terms getting into the lane and finishing. I may even say he is the best finisher in the league around the hoop. With that said, he gets a lot of his points due to nash's and shaq's presence on the floor. Put him on another team and he would still be beastly, but we would probably not be talking so highly about him. Also, tonight in particular, he got a lot of bs calls from the refs (17/19 FTs...nice % though!). I suppose I could see where they want to reward aggressive moves but they should reward it equally amongst teams.

[KeylessEntry]

at what? I really can't wait for the mavs-suns game now...

At everything except taking fadeaway jumpshots over Tony Parker or Stephen Jackson.

[dafunkphenom]

Man, you really are one of the most worthless posters here
I second that. Let's wait until he's even the best player on his team because that is still Nash. Although it is close. But there are a few better big men mainly because of defense.

[Cannonball]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/james_300_060115.jpg

[Make It Rain]

Amare's great, but he gets a lot of room with Shaq and all those shooters.

[bjtrdff]

Besides Rasho Nesterovic.

[statman32]

Please delete this thread mods. I'm the biggest Amare fan and even I would not call him the most dominant player in the league. He has arguably been playing the best basketball out of everyone since the all-star break though.

[KeylessEntry]

Chris Quinn dominates his dungeons and dragons league.

[fiad06]

He is very good, not the most dominant though... A lot of his points come from pick and roll passes from his teammates, he usually just touches the ball and throws it up, he barely hangs on to the ball for that long.

I personally think Lebron is the most dominant IMO, he can drive from the 3 point line for a layup, he is hard to stop.

I am not a Lebron fan boy either.

[geeWiz15]

dropping 40 on the Nuggets in the regular season: well I'll be a monkey's uncle. lets anoint him best ever. right now. what are we waiting for.

[el_locoteee]

This guy is frikken unguardable right now. Sure the shooters around him help but ****, NOBODY can guard him one on one. And he's hitting jumpers now plus his ft% is exceptional. This is looking bad for the WC :cry:

Wrong.

Nobody can guard him in a Pick & Roll with Nash. But give him the ball one on one vs a good defender and is another story.

[omarnyc]

when they first got shaq eveybody called it a bad trade, shaq is old, he cant play...so now that amare is beastin on other pf's its all because of shaq, amare was hard to guard playing out of position at center, now he is unstopable...he outplayed k-mart and camby combined

[statman32]

Wrong.

Nobody can guard him in a Pick & Roll with Nash. But give him the ball one on one vs a good defender and is another story.
One troll meet one troll. No need to make up ****. But seriously delete this thread.

[JayGuevara]

Man, you really are one of the most worthless posters here

Hello Pot? Yeah, you're black too.

[jasonterry]

One troll meet one troll. No need to make up ****. But seriously delete this thread.

he is right though. you don't really see Amare as the focal point on the offense taking 2 defenders like dirk,duncan,garnett do nightly. until then he will never be a part of the holy trinity of power forwards

[omarnyc]

Wrong.

Nobody can guard him in a Pick & Roll with Nash. But give him the ball one on one vs a good defender and is another story.

stockton and malone built a career on the pick n roll, whats your point? if it was so easy to run the pick n roll why are more teams not as successful as nash/amare? aint kg spose to be a lock down defender at the pf? did he stop amare?

[el_locoteee]

One troll meet one troll. No need to make up ****. But seriously delete this thread.

Are you going to tell me that Amare is a dominant player if you take away the pick and roll with Nash.

[jasonterry]

Hello Pot? Yeah, you're black too.

hilarious.

[omarnyc]

Are you going to tell me that Amare is a dominant player if you take away the pick and roll with Nash.

yes

[theballerFKA Ace]

Andrew Bynum doesn't think so. He completely destroys Amare every time they play.

[statman32]

he is right though. you don't really see Amare as the focal point on the offense taking 2 defenders like dirk,duncan,garnett do nightly. until then he will never be a part of the holy trinity of power forwards
I dont know what youve been watching but ever since Marion was traded hes been the focal point and routinely has to get by a couple defenders to score.

[statman32]

Andrew Bynum doesn't think so. He completely destroys Amare every time they play.
Every time they play? You mean 2 games this season? GTFO moron. Good game Nuggets. Sure know how to blow a 21 point lead.

[3stat2]

Sorry to say this Konex but this thread was a bad idea. It's just going to turn into another flame war with more people ending up hating Amare and the Suns. Bleh.

[statman32]

Are you going to tell me that Amare is a dominant player if you take away the pick and roll with Nash.
Yes. Amare averaged like 29-30 points in the games Nash missed due to injury last year and hes pretty much the only thing the Suns have going for them when Nash sits the bench.

[jasonterry]

I dont know what youve been watching but ever since Marion was traded hes been the focal point and routinely has to get by a couple defenders to score.

i'll watch them vs the mavs. as far as i'm concerned (as well as every single nba coach) their offense starts and ends with Nash, bottom line. You game plan to stop Nash and let the others get their points, hoping to exhaust Nash. everyone else is just second fiddle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

[Flashbeanie]

Amare can't be faulted for being the best big man to run the pick and roll. You pair up any other big with Nash, they won't be able to run the pick and roll as well as Amare. Garnett? he doesn't finish as well. Nowitzki? even worse. Duncan? he's not as athletic as Amare so he also can't take the ball to the hole as well. How about other Amare-type players? K-Mart? he finishes well but he sucks at free throws. D-Howard? sucks at free throws as well. Amare combines the skill sets of the top skilled PFs with the athletic ability of the beast, overpowering PFs.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Every time they play? You mean 2 games this season? GTFO moron. Good game Nuggets. Sure know how to blow a 21 point lead.


That's right. A full season rotation for an East-West team. Until proven otherwise Bynum destroys Amare "every......time....they....play".

[TruthKGRay3412]

They played the worst defensive team in the league..why create this thread?:oldlol:

Earl Barron could score 40 against them.

[statman32]

i'll watch them vs the mavs. as far as i'm concerned (as well as every single nba coach) their offense starts and ends with Nash, bottom line. You game plan to stop Nash and let the others get their points, hoping to exhaust Nash. everyone else is just second fiddle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
You are wrong. Youll see when we play you. Try not to view the game through hater goggles either.

[konex]

Sorry to say this Konex but this thread was a bad idea. It's just going to turn into another flame war with more people ending up hating Amare and the Suns. Bleh.

I'm a Suns hater and I can admit this. I dunno how anyone can argue the point. Does the Suns system help? Of course but the guy is an absolute BEAST...

[omarnyc]

these people wasnt payin attention when shaq told everybody he was gonna make amare the best pf in the league....he's gonna work on his defense over the summer and it wont be nothin the haters can say about his game

[el_locoteee]

stockton and malone built a career on the pick n roll, whats your point? if it was so easy to run the pick n roll why are more teams not as successful as nash/amare? aint kg spose to be a lock down defender at the pf? did he stop amare?

because he is in the move in a Pick & Roll. KG can be a great defender but you are involving 2 more player into the equation. Nash the two time MVP for a reason have the ability to draw the attentions to him and Amare is great cutting to the basket. You can say Amare Nash is the most offensive dominant two man game in the NBA, and is true nobody in the NBA run the pick and roll like them. But he is not a dominant player by himself, he is not Shaq in his prime or Dream ,Wilt or even Lebron now. There is a reason why when Nash rest, the team don't look the same.

Look when T-Mac and Yao run the pick and roll is a beauty to watch, when Rafer and Yao run the pick and roll is a painful experience.

[statman32]

That's right. A full season rotation for an East-West team. Until proven otherwise Bynum destroys Amare "every......time....they....play".
What did Amare against Bynum in the playoffs last year?? :hammerhead:

2 games mean NOTHING. Especially 2 regular season games. All it does is give haters something to grab at when they are desperate.

[RidonKs]

Please delete this thread mods.
I would, but I'd love to hear someone explain the term dominant first. I've asked the question before and don't recall getting an answer. It's thrown around this board a whole hell of a lot, and I really want to hear some definitions. What is it? Throwing dunks down really hard? Being super strong? Literally punishing defenses and making them physically hurt? Or maybe just being really, really good?

It's used the most as a method to give Shaq some sort of a best ever title. MDE. Okay, great. Why was he more "dominant" than Jordan? Magic? Wilt? Bird? etc, etc, etc. The word dominant just takes "really good" to another level, or at least, that's the traditional definition. I don't know what the basketball definition of it is, but that's why I'm making this post.

People have said that LeBron is the most dominant in the league at the moment. People have said saying Amare is the most dominant is an exaggeration. I'm sure everyone in this thread would agree that Shaq is the MDE, even if they don't actually know what that implies. So here, let's settle this, even if it's only to please me. Define dominant for me. Thanks.

[jasonterry]

You are wrong. Youll see when we play you. Try not to view the game through hater goggles either.

lol I will try not to. I have nothing against the guy, but he hasn't shown himself to be on the level of the holy trinity. He's a hell of a player though on the offensive end.

[statman32]

because he is in the move in a Pick & Roll. KG can be a great defender but you are involving 2 more player into the equation. Nash the two time MVP for a reason have the ability to draw the attentions to him and Amare is great cutting to the basket. You can say Amare Nash is the most offensive dominant two man game in the NBA, and is true nobody in the NBA run the pick and roll like them. But he is not a dominant player by himself, he is not Shaq in his prime or Dream ,Wilt or even Lebron now. There is a reason why when Nash rest, the team don't look the same.

Look when T-Mac and Yao run the pick and roll is a beauty to watch, when Rafer and Yao run the pick and roll is a painful experience.

Is anyone saying hes Shaq or Hakeem in there prime? GTFO. You dont have to be like them to be a dominant force. Damn haters running wild in here trying to grasp at straws because someone might actually be better than there favorite player.

[statman32]

lol I will try not to. I have nothing against the guy, but he hasn't shown himself to be on the level of the holy trinity. He's a hell of a player though on the offensive end.
Alright. Sounds good to me. :cheers:

[Cannonball]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/james_300_060115.jpg
quoted for truth.

[theballerFKA Ace]

What did Amare against Bynum in the playoffs last year?? :hammerhead:

2 games mean NOTHING. Especially 2 regular season games. All it does is give haters something to grab at when they are desperate.

That was last season. Bynum wasn't even a starter and barely old enough to buy cigarettes. Bynum is still the 6th youngest player in the league too. It's funny that at 19 he started abusing Amare though. :eek:

[Bruinlove]

Um sorry. Andrew Bynum singlehandedly shuts him down and Amare is afraid of him.

[ryantheporchkid]

Um sorry. Andrew Bynum singlehandedly shuts him down and Amare is afraid of him.

Amare is afraid of a 19 year old who isn't even jogging on full body weight? Please.

[A Roc 23]

Right now, as of 2008, Amare is easily the most unguardable player in the league. I'm sorry he flat out is. No one has shown the ability to stop this guy yet. You can't say the same for KG or Dirk and Duncan just doesn't have it in him.

joe wait; who is easier to stop from scoring: this years Dirk or Amare? I mean really, one player averages more points on less shots in less minutes a game on 11%+ better field goal %.

Does Dirk's "defense" really set him apart from someone who scorers so much easier then him?

[statman32]

Um sorry. Andrew Bynum singlehandedly shuts him down and Amare is afraid of him.
Where did that thread go that you made and then reported me for posting in? Oh thats right it got deleted because everyone knows your a moron. Go back to rehab and this time complete the program. I just want to help the needy out.

[Dbrog]

Offensive dominance, to me, is when a player cannot be stopped no matter how many defenders are thrown at him. This is why Shaq is largely viewed as the MDE. However, it is not to say he had the most dominant performances in his career. Jordan dominated many games, but like any guard, he would get hot but also sometimes get cold. Shaq was the most consistently dominant player in his prime (primarily due to the fact that most of his shots were within 5 ft and every player in the league would just bounce off him).

Also, just due to his size, he changed the game on the defensive end by owning the paint. No guard in history, to my knowledge, has had this kind of effect on the game (really only because of size and floor position, but still!) In the same way, no big man, except perhaps Wilt had Shaq's offensive dominance (in terms of players physically not being able to stop them). I think a combination of all this makes Shaq a great example of a very dominant player.

[A Roc 23]

Um sorry. Andrew Bynum singlehandedly shuts him down and Amare is afraid of him.

Damn I knew I heard a troll call in the distance.

Yeah, keep talking about some games that happened in 2007 when Amare was playing out of position and averaging about 10 points a game less then he is this year.

Get your head out of your ass and get ready to help the Suns hoist up the Pacific championship banner.

I mean where the **** is Andrew Bynum even? Is he still living in 2007 too?

:roll:

[amfirst]

Tell that to Bynum.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Amare is afraid of a 19 year old who isn't even jogging on full body weight? Please.

If you saw the games Amare played this year against Bynum would issue a peep. You could literally see the fear in Amare's eyes when he was trying to guard Bynum and when Bynum was guarding him. Watch the games, Bynum absolutely humiliated Amare. Trust me, to say that Amare is afraid of Bynum is an understatement.

The second Amare sees Bynum walking on both legs he will probably run the other way.

[ryantheporchkid]

If you saw the games Amare played this year against Bynum would issue a peep. You could literally see the fear in Amare's eyes when he was trying to guard Bynum and when Bynum was guarding him. Watch the games, Bynum absolutely humiliated Amare. Trust me, to say that Amare is afraid of Bynum is an understatement.

Bynum isn't even jogging on full body weight. Amare is throwing it down over 7 footers. Read that again and tell me why Amare is afraid of Bynum.

[A Roc 23]

That's right. A full season rotation for an East-West team. Until proven otherwise Bynum destroys Amare "every......time....they....play".

Until proven otherwise Nash and Amare beat the Lakers in the playoffs "every......time....they....play".

What a stupid post. :lol

[el_locoteee]

Is anyone saying hes Shaq or Hakeem in there prime? GTFO. You dont have to be like them to be a dominant force. Damn haters running wild in here trying to grasp at straws because someone might actually be better than there favorite player.

They say Dominant, and thats why those name come to my mind. I don't take the word dominant in basketball lightly, Like HOF or MVP, Dominant is a word that should be rarely use unless there is guy just change the game when he is in, and there is nothing you can do about it.
I cant use the same word for Amare when he is not even double team in the game, he is just the beneficiary in the offensive end off the floor in a Suns team/system. I can't us that word for him when CP3, Lebron, and even Nash who play in the same team can change the game more that he do.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Bynum isn't even jogging on full body weight. Amare is throwing it down over 7 footers. Read that again and tell me why Amare is afraid of Bynum.

Hurt, healthy, sick, injured whatever. Amare still has nightmares about Bynum. However I do have to say the Amare will be hiding behind his big brother Shaq the next time they meet.

[Bruinlove]

Bynum isn't even jogging on full body weight. Amare is throwing it down over 7 footers. Read that again and tell me why Amare is afraid of Bynum.
Because Bynum owns him. He owns him hard.

[dafunkphenom]

Until proven otherwise Nash and Amare beat the Lakers in the playoffs "every......time....they....play".

What a stupid post. :lol
And they would beat them if they met this year too.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Until proven otherwise Nash and Amare beat the Lakers in the playoffs "every......time....they....play".

What a stupid post. :lol

The Lakers do have to prove the can beat the Suns in the playoffs. :confusedshrug:

And Amare has to prove that he won't climb into the fetal position every time he faces an adult Bynum.

[Bruinlove]

Phoenix fans are gloating when they almost lost in the playoffs to a team that started Kwame Brown and Smush Parker.:roll: :roll: :roll:

[statman32]

Phoenix fans are gloating when they almost lost in the playoffs to a team that started Kwame Brown and Smush Parker.:roll: :roll: :roll:
This thread was created by a Lakers fan. :hammerhead:

[A Roc 23]

Phoenix fans are gloating when they almost lost in the playoffs to a team that started Kwame Brown and Smush Parker.:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wow now that is grasping at straws. :roll:

That was 2006, the Suns started Tim Thomas and James Jones. Diaw was their 2nd best player that year.

Congrats on a nice run 2 years ago.

Feel free to ignore the Laker beat down that happened last year. :confusedshrug:

Not that either year means anything to me. I live in the present.

[ryantheporchkid]

Wow now that is grasping at straws. :roll:

That was 2006, the Suns started Tim Thomas and James Jones. Diaw was their 2nd best player that year.

Congrats on a nice run 2 years ago.

Feel free to ignore the Laker beat down that happened last year. :confusedshrug:

Not that either year means anything to me. I live in the present.

Was he? Marion was still having 30/20 games back then. Something that was missing this year. End of Marion's prime. :(

[A Roc 23]

Was he? Marion was still having 30/20 games back then. Something that was missing this year. End of Marion's prime. :(
Against the Lakers in the playoffs:

Diaw: 18 / 6 / 6 on 54% shooting.
Marion: 18 / 9 / 2 on 43% shooting.

Diaw on defense >>>>> Marion on Lamar Odom.

[Bruinlove]

Wow now that is grasping at straws. :roll:

That was 2006, the Suns started Tim Thomas and James Jones. Diaw was their 2nd best player that year.

Congrats on a nice run 2 years ago.

Feel free to ignore the Laker beat down that happened last year. :confusedshrug:

Not that either year means anything to me. I live in the present.
And then the next year you again beat a team starting Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and even allowed Kwame Brown to have a 19/11 game against you. You Phoenix fans are idiots for thinking it's an accomplishment beating the Lakers in a playoff series when they were starting Kwame and Smush, probably 2 players that would appear on the ISH list of most useless NBA players.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Lamar >>>> Diaw

[A Roc 23]

You do know that makes Amare look worse right? Because Bynum done stomped his ass this year. That means a ***** dominated Amare. That what you are shooting for? Yes? No? Maybe so?

1st: the guy isn't a Suns fan so what does he care?
2nd: Amare wasn't even close to dominating at that point in the season. He was playing out of position and averaging only 19 points a game.

[A Roc 23]

Marion can have his 18 points on 43% shooting and his below average rebounds. :oldlol: You didn't do your argument any favors by posting that johnny.

What are you talking about? I was explaing to ryanporche why I thought Diaw played better then Marion in the 2006 first round of the playoffs. :confusedshrug:

[KeylessEntry]

One great thing about Amare is he is so young, he still has room for improvement and he is still showing improvement as he gets older.

[el_locoteee]

1st: the guy isn't a Suns fan so what does he care?
2nd: Amare wasn't even close to dominating at that point in the season. He was playing out of position and averaging only 19 points a game.

He was playing out of position in 2004 and ave. 26 a game.

[fiad06]

Somewhere in Phoenix, Amare is sleeping dreaming about Beyonce....While you guys ***** and moan about his dominance. Pathetic...

[ryantheporchkid]

Somewhere in Phoenix, Amare is sleeping dreaming about Beyonce....While you guys ***** and moan about his dominance. Pathetic...

No. He's boarding a plane to Denver. It's still pretty pathetic.

[A Roc 23]

And then the next year you again beat a team starting Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and even allowed Kwame Brown to have a 19/11 game against you. You Phoenix fans are idiots for thinking it's an accomplishment beating the Lakers in a playoff series when they were starting Kwame and Smush, probably 2 players that would appear on the ISH list of most useless NBA players.

Yeah, but it was a REALLY easy win for the Suns. It wasn't even close. Who cares who is starting?

But like I said, I really don't care what happened last year. This Suns team is so different and the Lakers team is beyond different. Beating a lowly team like the 2007 Lakers doesn't mean anything to me, or the Suns. Just like meaningless stats from November of last year don't mean anything to me. :confusedshrug:

[el_locoteee]

Somewhere in Phoenix, Amare is sleeping dreaming about Beyonce....While you guys ***** and moan about his dominance. Pathetic...

He is only dreaming about Beyonce, well anybody can do that.

[Bruinlove]

Yeah, but it was a REALLY easy win for the Suns. It wasn't even close. Who cares who is starting?

But like I said, I really don't care what happened last year. This Suns team is so different and the Lakers team is beyond different. Beating a lowly team like the 2007 Lakers doesn't mean anything to me, or the Suns. Just like meaningless stats from November of last year don't mean anything to me. :confusedshrug:
You only say the stats are meaningless because Amare is on the wrong end of them. If Amare had put up 40 and 20 we would never hear the end of it, and you know it.

[A Roc 23]

You only say the stats are meaningless because Amare is on the wrong end of them. If Amare had put up 40 and 20 we would never hear the end of it, and you know it.

No I say they're meaningless because Amare is playing a different level right now. I know that you are aware of what he is doing to his opponents now compared to November and December when Bynum wasn't sitting on the bench. The Lakers didn't have Gasol and the Suns didn't have Shaq so I don't even know how you can draw any meaningful conclusions from those matchups last year.

It's like if I made some argument about how good the Suns perimeter defense is based on a bunch of games in 2007 with Marion. :confusedshrug:

[Bruinlove]

No I say they're meaningless because Amare is playing a different level right now. I know that you are aware of what he is doing to his opponents now compared to November and December when Bynum wasn't sitting on the bench. The Lakers didn't have Gasol and the Suns didn't have Shaq so I don't even know how you can draw any meaningful conclusions from those matchups last year.

It's like if I made some argument about how good the Suns perimeter defense is based on a bunch of games in 2007 with Marion. :confusedshrug:
We beat the Shaq/Amare Suns with only Gasol and without Bynum and with Shaq playing out of his mind motivated for National TV and his Suns debut. We are the better team when fully healthy and even when not fully healthy. Amare is only scoring so much because like the Spurs in the playoffs last year teams aren't focusing on shutting him down, teams focus on stopping Nash.

[chuckyboy34]

At everything except taking fadeaway jumpshots over Tony Parker or Stephen Jackson.

lol, nice

and i'll dream about beyonce now

zzzzz

[LutherHeadJob]

People stop players like Amare by doubling him

thats not an option when you got people like Nash and Shaq next to you, so he will rape everyone and continue to until Shaq gets too fat to run and when Nash's legs give out, which should be in 2 seasons

[ryantheporchkid]

We beat the Shaq/Amare Suns with only Gasol and without Bynum and with Shaq playing out of his mind motivated for National TV and his Suns debut. We are the better team when fully healthy and even when not fully healthy. Amare is only scoring so much because like the Spurs in the playoffs last year teams aren't focusing on shutting him down, teams focus on stopping Nash.

Based on the past few games, Shaq did not "play out of his mind" during the Lakers game. Suns doctors are amazing aren't they? On Amare scoring so much because they are not focusing on him: do you think teams have scouts. It's their job to inform the coaches that the Suns are winning and it's not a good idea to let Amare drop 30 and shoot 60%. The Lakers may very well have a better team when healthy and now. That's why they play the game.

[el_locoteee]

People stop players like Amare by doubling him

thats not an option when you got people like Nash and Shaq next to you, so he will rape everyone and continue to until Shaq gets too fat to run and when Nash's legs give out, which should be in 2 seasons

:cheers:

[R11DMAN]

. Define dominant for me. Thanks.

Dominant Player = A player who can score at will even when double/ triple teamed. A player who does not need an excellent passer or someone else to draw inside attention to have a good scoring position or situation.

Let's see how "dominant" Amare is when Shaq "the true dominator" gets injured again.

[bdreason]

Tim Duncan.

[Lebron23]

Tim Duncan.


TEAM DUNCAN ( Duncan/Manu/Parker) :cheers:

[magic chiongson]

kwame brown can stop him 1-1 :D

[2LeTTeRS KD]

He is basically a larger and therefore more dominant Lebron in terms getting into the lane and finishing. I may even say he is the best finisher in the league around the hoop. With that said, he gets a lot of his points due to nash's and shaq's presence on the floor. Put him on another team and he would still be beastly, but we would probably not be talking so highly about him. Also, tonight in particular, he got a lot of bs calls from the refs (17/19 FTs...nice % though!). I suppose I could see where they want to reward aggressive moves but they should reward it equally amongst teams.

I love Amare but you have a few wrong points in here. First off Amare isn't as big as Bron, and I wouldn't go so far as to call him a better finisher (I'd say Bron has a slight advantage). He does have a better mid-range game though. Seems like lately Amare has been making the right decision at least 90% on how to properly attack the D, knowing when he should take that J, or when to use his quickness to drive past the defender. Bron doesn't have that. Of course all-around Bron is a better player than Amare, but on offense? Its closer than you would think.

[kgisbigticket]

This guy is frikken unguardable right now. Sure the shooters around him help but ****, NOBODY can guard him one on one. And he's hitting jumpers now plus his ft% is exceptional. This is looking bad for the WC :cry:

KG is the most dominant player in the league.

[picc84]

Steve Nash is not more valuable to the suns right now than amare.

[gpfanz]

BEST SHOOTING BIG MAN :bowdown:

[statman32]

Steve Nash is not more valuable to the suns right now than amare.
Its been like that almost all season. The bandwagon Nash fans would even admit that. Dude has put up 29 ppg during the last 2 months.

[c_az_a]

Andrew Bynum will be a shell of his former self. And when he comes back, it will be a matter of time when he falls with an injury. As of late, we hear Derek Fisher is playing with an injury. When Andrew Bynum comes back, his knees will buckle. Bynum, the Medical Dream, will get hurt. And what will follow: The fear of getting hurt. The Most Dominant Crippled. The Breakable. Andrew "Where Injury Happens" Bynum

[c_az_a]

KG is the most dominant player in the league.

Amare is just 0.1 away from tying KG for rebounding. KG now has fallen to 18.9 PPG despite playing with two perennial all stars.

[bence23]

I love Amare but you have a few wrong points in here. First off Amare isn't as big as Bron, and I wouldn't go so far as to call him a better finisher (I'd say Bron has a slight advantage). He does have a better mid-range game though. Seems like lately Amare has been making the right decision at least 90% on how to properly attack the D, knowing when he should take that J, or when to use his quickness to drive past the defender. Bron doesn't have that. Of course all-around Bron is a better player than Amare, but on offense? Its closer than you would think.
I'd call the man leading the league in And1s the better finisher(amare)

[el_locoteee]

Steve Nash is not more valuable to the suns right now than amare.

How far will the Suns go. Without Nash or without Amare?

[Dbrog]

I love Amare but you have a few wrong points in here. First off Amare isn't as big as Bron, and I wouldn't go so far as to call him a better finisher (I'd say Bron has a slight advantage). He does have a better mid-range game though. Seems like lately Amare has been making the right decision at least 90% on how to properly attack the D, knowing when he should take that J, or when to use his quickness to drive past the defender. Bron doesn't have that. Of course all-around Bron is a better player than Amare, but on offense? Its closer than you would think.

I didn't say amare was a better offensive player. I said he was maybe the best finisher in the league around the hoop (aka the post). TBH, i'm not gonna argue Lebron is worse around the hoop because it is close and I could definitely see it going either way. Personally, I still give Bron the edge 9/10 times just cause he is doing everything without being set up. Sry for the confusion :cheers:

Edit: I just checked to see how big the two players are. I was shocked to see that you were correct here. Bron = 6'8 250lbs. Amare = 6'10 249lbs. Bron is a frickin tank!

[Allstar24]

Steve Nash is not more valuable to the suns right now than amare.
I don't know about that. I remember PHX had a game against Utah earlier this season where Nash didn't play and it was just ugly to watch. The Suns couldn't function without him. He pretty much controls everything they do.

[Showtime]

I haven't seen recent suns games, so how is he doing defensively? Rebounding? I don't care if he's dropping 40 on people, if he isn't defending and grabbing 10-12 boards a game I don't care.

[Rab]

Amare is not the most dominant player in the league, but he's been top 5 since Marion was traded.

I have always been one who felt that despite Nash being the most valuable player on the team, they will only go as far as Amare can take them. I think he needs to be the offensive focal point, and he has been. He's easily the most efficient scorer in the leauge. There really is no way to guard him. He's too quick if you play him up, and if you give him space, he's deadly with his jumper. You can't really foul him, because he'll either make the and1, or he'll sink his FT's.

I think Shaq's presense helps for sure, but I think it's a little overrated. Amare was beasting teams while Shaq was on the bench with his hip injury. It all started after Marion was gone. Shaq doesn't create that much space for Amare. If anything, he might limit it more. The Suns used to run 4 players out on the perimeter with Amare roaming around the paint area. Their spacing was great. With Shaq, they have to find more creative ways to get Amare the ball with room to work. It usually is him curling around a Shaq screen and getting the pass from the 3 point line in stride, or getting him the ball FT line extended, and letting him do his thing. I think what helps Amare with Shaq in there is that teams can't help as hard as they would like on the weakside because you can't leave Shaq alone. So in that way, it makes Amare's life easier.

Now, if he starts playing defense at a decent level, he'll be ridiculous.

[Rab]

I don't know about that. I remember PHX had a game against Utah earlier this season where Nash didn't play and it was just ugly to watch. The Suns couldn't function without him. He pretty much controls everything they do.
They also didn't have Grant Hill or Shawn Marion to be fair.....

[Rab]

I haven't seen recent suns games, so how is he doing defensively? Rebounding? I don't care if he's dropping 40 on people, if he isn't defending and grabbing 10-12 boards a game I don't care.
Defensively he still struggles with man on man post defense, and his rotations on pick and roll defense make me shake my head in disgust sometimes. He's always been a pretty good help defender, and he seems to be getting better there.

Rebounding he still is hit and miss. Sometimes I get so freakin pissed at him because I sometimes see no effort to box his man out, or even attempt to get good position. He'll go on mini streaks where he'll grab 12-15 a game, but then follow it up with games where he'll grab 6-9 a game. It's all about effort there. When he puts forth effort to rebound, he's an animal. Shaq seems to be pushing him to rebound more, so hopefully that will help him.

And of course, foul trouble continues to plague him. If he could stay on the floor longer he could inflict even more damage. Hopefully he can work on these things in the offseason.

[bence23]

I don't know about that. I remember PHX had a game against Utah earlier this season where Nash didn't play and it was just ugly to watch. The Suns couldn't function without him. He pretty much controls everything they do.
I like you forgot to mention marion and hill also didnt play that game...3 of our starters.

[LamarOdom]

Great work Konex:applause:

[Draz]

Amar'e now equal to that of a used condom.

[Myth]

Great work Konex:applause:

:oldlol: