NCAA Championship game thread: Kansas vs. Memphis, CBS 9pm ET Monday

[1~Gibson~1]

The 2008 NCAA championship game, featuring #1 Memphis vs #1 Kansas, is tonight (Monday) at 9PM ET on CBS television.

Predict who will win, and give reasons and insight behind your opinions.

And, discuss the game live as it happens here.

ENJOY!

[FireMcFailPlease]

I dunno. The key is who on kansas can stop derrick rose.

Then if they can do that, who can stop CDR.

Rush can only guard one of them. I think Memphis can win, especially if they get Kansas to run with them.

If kansas can attack Dorsey with Arthur/Kaun/Jackson, and perhaps get him in trouble, Kansas has a great chance at winning then.

[i seen hippos]

I hope Kansas wins cause I said they were the best team all season long. I want to reward myself with a pat on the back. Oh ya McPhail, I told you Kansas >>>>> Texas.:D

Right now though Memphis' offense is absolutely amazing. Fast break or half court. Kansas has been alright in the half court, but I think to match Memphis they gotta play the pressure D they're so good at and make this a fast break game.

That is the one thing Kansas has on Memphis imo. Both are great defensive team, but Kansas can take it to a level not even Memphis can fully achieve I think. If they can create turnovers (no one is expecting to see what they did against UNC of course) and get easy buckets then they will have the advantage overall.

If it's more of a half court game, I just think Memphis' offense is playing too well right now.

Another thing going for Kansas is that Memphis hasn't had to defend so many players. The teams they've played have had 2 good scorers at most each. Kansas has A LOT of good scores. 4 guards that can explode at any given time and 3 bigs that are more skilled than any Memphis big (although Memphis bigs have the athletic advantage).

At the end of the day it will come down to which team's guards step up. Can Kansas' guards penetrate and get open looks like no other team has? I think they will have more success, but enough? Who knows. Memphis' guards have been amazing, but they haven't faced the pressure Kansas will throw at them. Can a team play at such a high level for on more game? We'll see.

This would be a game I'd love Kansas at times to throw out Chalmers/Robinson/Collins/Rush/Kaun. If there comes a time where Memphis seems to be taking over, this would be an interesting counter, although I know it won't happen.

Right now you have to give Memphis the edge though with how they've played all tournament long. But to say they will win easily is ignoring what Kansas has done to teams all season long. This isn't 1. Memphis vs. 2. Kansas. This is 1a. Memphis vs. 1b. Kansas.

[A.M.G.]

The key to this game is Joey Dorsey. If he gets into foul trouble, Kansas can win a close game by pounding it inside with their strong frontcourt.

The backcourt defense will also be very important for Kansas, if Chalmers and Robinson can contain Derrick Rose, and Brandon Rush can negate CDR, Kansas wins in a walk.


On the other hand, if CDR and especially Rose can use their size to their advantage like they did against UCLA, and if Joey Dorsey can stay out of foul trouble and shut down Kansas' frontcourt scoring, Memphis will win.

This should be a very entertaining game, the team that defends wins.

So basically, the keys for each team are:

Kansas- Frontcourt offense, Backcourt defense
Memphis- Frontcourt defense, Backcourt offense

[enayes]

Memphis wins
roses are red
kansas is blue

[Maniak]

going to go see it with a friend on the bigscreen, cant wait really


I think Memphis might have it, they have such a dominant backcourt.


It pains me so that UCLA or even UNC didnt make it to the finals

Oh well....it will still be great to watch

-Maniak

[mlh1981]

I can't believe that Memphis is even here. I figured they were done after their struggle against Mississippi St (I THINK it was Miss. St :confusedshrug: ). from the foul line. That game should NEVER have come down to the final shot, and I thought that a better team down the road would make them pay for that ineptness.

I feel bad for the Kansas kid who busted his kneecap in practice yesterday. That could serve as a rallying point for the jayhawks.

[thenextgreatbigman]

Kansas about to lose another one to a freshman.

[mlh1981]

Please delete this, insidehoops, if you feel that this is off topic, but part of the problem I have with college ball is the great players leaving after one year. I can't blame them, but it hurts the game and eliminates what I feel could be good storylines. Memphis loses this game........how does Rose and co. rebound? memphis wins, and how does Rose handle being the "hunted" as opposed to the hunter? Great players leaving after their freshmen year eliminates these potential subplots........

[KNOW1EDGE]

GO MEMPHIS!!!

Tonight when you watch Derick Rose just picture him in a blazer jersey cuz thats what he will be wearing next year!!!!!

[Younggrease]

Dirty play..you dont undercut people.

[RandomBalla55]

Please delete this, insidehoops, if you feel that this is off topic, but part of the problem I have with college ball is the great players leaving after one year. I can't blame them, but it hurts the game and eliminates what I feel could be good storylines. Memphis loses this game........how does Rose and co. rebound? memphis wins, and how does Rose handle being the "hunted" as opposed to the hunter? Great players leaving after their freshmen year eliminates these potential subplots........

Well, it's either the great players leave 1 year after college, or the great players don't play college at all. Pick your choice.

And again, mlh, you were probably buying into the hype that Memphis was the weakest #1 seed in this tourney and their FT shooting will always kill them. It's ok. I did too. I thought Texas would take them but only because it was in Texas's backyard. Turns out Memphis wasn't having any of that ****.

[FireMcFailPlease]

GO MEMPHIS!!!

Tonight when you watch Derick Rose just picture him in a blazer jersey cuz thats what he will be wearing next year!!!!!
Portlands goin to win the lottery as what, 13 ranked team?

[Younggrease]

Watching these guys play made me realiz how much more intelligent a player Rubio is then any1 on the floor. He would pick a part these defenses.

[GOBB]

Watching these guys play made me realiz how much more intelligent a player Rubio is then any1 on the floor. He would pick a part these defenses.

:roll: whatever

[TruthKGRay3412]

Watching these guys play made me realiz how much more intelligent a player Rubio is then any1 on the floor. He would pick a part these defenses.

:roll:

He would be flopping like the b1tch euro he is.

[Younggrease]

:roll:

He would be flopping like the b1tch euro he is.

yeah he would but only because these guys are totally out of control on drives. The starting center on Kansas, Rose, Rush etc. are all vulnerable to charges. Difference is Rubio is MAN enough to take them. Can you imagine Rubio against these kids..Rose isn't even doing anything, kids skill level is really bad.

[Da KO King]

Kansas is the only team that has been equal to Memphis athletically all season. Scouts will be paying close attention to how Chris Douglas-Roberts looks against legit NBA wing prospects.


Side Note: if any of you guys are computer savvy enough to rip the game feed from CBS Sportsline let me know. I'd like to get a copy of this game.

[Da KO King]

I think Kansas is going to win this thing.

Memphis is doing a lot of ball screening and that's not their game. They could be setting themselves up for a critical error in execution late in the game.

[bjtrdff]

Kansas is the only team that has been equal to Memphis athletically all season. Scouts will be paying close attention to how Chris Douglas-Roberts looks against legit NBA wing prospects.


Side Note: if any of you guys are computer savvy enough to rip the game feed from CBS Sportsline let me know. I'd like to get a copy of this game.

I would bet it'll be on torrent sites tomorrow.

[Da KO King]

I would bet it'll be on torrent sites tomorrow.
If you have a link it would be greatly appreciated. Only one I know of rarely ups NCAA or European games; they seem to be NBA or bust.

[GOBB]

Brandon Rush is a twig...he got muscle definition but damn, bulk up some. Been at Kansas how long?

[ukplayer4]

http://www.ncaasports.com/mmod/player/

[i seen hippos]

Kansas' D is amazing.

[thenextgreatbigman]

This game is looking ugly. we have 2 athletic teams that can't really buy a jumpshot.

And dorsey needs to stop *****ing.

[ukplayer4]

now is the time for rose to step up, he really needs to assert himself...

[thenextgreatbigman]

now is the time for rose to step up, he really needs to assert himself...
:pimp:

[LakersNewDynast]

Rose is really working for the #1 draft slot

[raid09]

now is the time for rose to step up, he really needs to assert himself...

Maybe he read your post during a timeout.

[Lebron23]

Derrick Rose is just the best player on the court right now, and a very excellent 2nd half for the Memphis Tigers.

[Mateo]

Basing a draft pick on the final weekend of the NCAA tournament is a John Paxson / Kevin McHale type of move.

[konex]

Rose :bowdown:

[mjbulls23]

Rose :pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[SoCalMike]

Right down to the wire... Dorsey fouls out....



:pimp:

[RandomBalla55]

Both Kansas and Memphis are EXCELLENT at stripping the ball from dribblers.

Watch out Memphis. Kansas has like one guy in front and 2 guys in the back trying to steal it from you..

[konex]

Kansas is dumb. They should have slowed it down off the steal..

CDR is choking HARD. Hopefully Rose bails him out..

[RandomBalla55]

Rose, bail out CDR.

CDR wanted those FTs and he bricked 'em sir. Rose, bail CDR out.

[slaman]

Derrick Rose hits "the shot of the tournament"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3434082625827152126
Derrick Rose heats up during the second half of the 2008 NCAA Championship Game to decidedly put Memphis ahead of Kansas.

[Mateo]

Well, Douglas-Roberts is going to be nothing in the NBA. He saved a lot of GMs jobs by missing those free throws. If he had made them he would have become a hero and gotten an undeserved draft bump. Now he is what he is. An awkward non-talent.

[joe]

There are so many commercials down the stretch of college games, it seems. It always takes me out of the flow when I try to get into them.

This is a real good game right here. But could have done without that last commercial. There's 24 seconds left and a time-out was called. Couldn't have just stuck with the game through that time out?


Joe

[thenextgreatbigman]

Kansas is dumb. They should have slowed it down off the steal..

CDR is choking HARD. Hopefully Rose bails him out..
actually that was the best thing to do, should have been a foul. you don't want to let them set up on defense.

[raid09]

CDR trying to choke it away. Missed FT on the front end of a 1-and-1, 2 more missed FTs, and trying to get a T spiking the ball.

Hopefully Rose can save him.

[DuMa]

another reason why college bball sucks. FT line chokers!

[joe]

OVERTIME

I CAN'T BELIEVE HE HIT THAT 3

WOWWW


Joe

[SoCalMike]

incredible with memphis missing throws... TIE GAME TIE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OT OT



:pimp:

[fiad06]

OMG

[konex]

OMG Chalmers. What a choke..

[FashionIssues]

unbelievable

rose is hurt too

[Mewwem22]

Wow, what a clutch shot. :rockon:
This is pretty entertaining.

[dwight20-20]

wowwww what a huge shot!!!
memphis hits FTs and the games over.
i love this game

[Mateo]

College basketball is FANNNTASTIC. Get to watch teams fouling with 2 minutes left just because they know their opponents will miss.

[Younggrease]

Rose trying to fake injury after choking at the line...Rubio would hit those in his sleep.

[StroShow4]

wow, what an epic choke :eek:

crazy 3 too.

[bigkingsfan]

Thanks god the game wasn't a bust like the final 4...

[SoCalMike]

unbelievable

rose is hurt too

Ankle?????



:pimp:

[IlliniFan]

omg, ****ing Kansas..just lose.

[brwnman]

WOW! Great shot...

[sbw19]

wow.. ot.. is rose hurt?

[konex]

Anyone else see Rush distract Rose on the first FT? So dirty lol

[hotsizzle]

Wow. i knew that **** was gonna drop when it left his hand

[BTFU98923]

Holy ****!

[qrich]

Chalmers!!!! Man, I've always thought he was damn good and that shot was sick.

Man...how the hell can a team as a whole be so bad from the line?

[Lebron23]

Overtime

[IlliniFan]

Rose trying to fake injury after choking at the line...Rubio would hit those in his sleep.
While he has his balls in your mouth?

[GOBB]

Rose Got Cramps

[raid09]

OVERTIME

I CAN'T BELIEVE HE HIT THAT 3

WOWWW


Joe

Can't believe Memphis went 1-5 from the line in the last 2 minutes. Two all-americans no less. :oldlol:

And there goes CDR, choking again.

[i seen hippos]

After all of this, Memphis' ft's might actually do them in. Tough luck.:roll:

This game deserves to go to OT. Don't usually get the actual two best teams in college ball make it to the final.

Rose pulling a Dirk tonight minus that nice in the 2nd half.

[Dizzle-2k7]

damn. all we're gonna hear all week on ESPN is talk about memphis at the line..

[bigkingsfan]

"Thanks Super Nintendo Chalmers"
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/RalphWiggum2.gif

[mn9500]

woah. what a great ****ing game.

[Lebron23]

Rose trying to fake injury after choking at the line...Rubio would hit those in his sleep.


Who cares about Ricky Rubio? He ain't doing nothing in the NBA, and i do not think he is the next big thing.

[qrich]

Wow..early time-out.

[SoCalMike]

Incredible fast break finish by Rush.... both my wife and I are on the edge of the couch!



:pimp:

[fiad06]

That one guy that just stole the ball is fast as hell. He out runs everybody on a fast break.

[RandomBalla55]

CDR?

WTF.

His performance the last few minutes down this stretch has been ****ing awful.

[Doomsday Dallas]

History!

[StroShow4]

:oldlol: :roll: @ the ralph wiggum reference

[dwight20-20]

College basketball is FANNNTASTIC. Get to watch teams fouling with 2 minutes left just because they know their opponents will miss.

i call that strategic.

like hack a shaq only for the whole team

[KNOW1EDGE]

Its time.

For Memphis to admit free-throw shooting is a BIG problem for them.

If CDR or ROSE just hit 1 more of those ft's then they win and game over,

[raid09]

Why are the announcers making such a big deal out of the fadeaway buzzer beater 2-pointer by Rose earlier? It wasn't even close to a 3. :oldlol:

[v-unit]

Insane game, so sick, I'm glad these two are here. And This is easily the best finals for the past couple years.

[Lebron23]

CDR and the Tigers need a CPR.

[Mateo]

Honestly, Memphis had this game in hand with about 3 minutes left. If they lose, and it's starting to look like they will, this has to go up there with the greatest choke-jobs in the history of sports, along with the 2004 Yankees ALCS loss to the Red Sox and the 2006 Mavericks loss in the finals to the Heat.

[KWALI]

Kansas has been allowed to play more aggresively with their hands and body than Memphis. Several times ,including the foul that took Dorsey out, on the dribble they got a foul call on plays the contact that was allowed when they were defending

[sixerfan82]

memphis gave up a 9pt lead with under 2 minutes to go, wow

[BFRESH44]

Douglas-Roberts = Eddie Jones including the choke artist sessions...

[sick_brah07]

when kansas win will the players stay back to do it all again?

[KWALI]

thats why you foul

[statman32]

Honestly, Memphis had this game in hand with about 3 minutes left. If they lose, and it's starting to look like they will, this has to go up there with the greatest choke-jobs in the history of sports, along with the 2004 Yankees ALCS loss to the Red Sox and the 2006 Mavericks loss in the finals to the Heat.
Someone ban this kid. Why do people overrate everything? :oldlol:

[sbw19]

Great play..

[SoCalMike]

This game is over for Memphis... they are out of gas....



:pimp:

[raid09]

Honestly, Memphis had this game in hand with about 3 minutes left. If they lose, and it's starting to look like they will, this has to go up there with the greatest choke-jobs in the history of sports, along with the 2004 Yankees ALCS loss to the Red Sox and the 2006 Mavericks loss in the finals to the Heat.

Absolutely embarrassing...

[RandomBalla55]

That's ****ing game man.

Memphis gagged. Congrats to Kansas man, but ****, Memphis gagged.

[qrich]

It's over....I just don't see Kansas choking away a 6 point lead...Uncle Mo is on their side

[thenextgreatbigman]

Why are the announcers making such a big deal out of the fadeaway buzzer beater 2-pointer by Rose earlier? It wasn't even close to a 3. :oldlol:
i'm guessing they would have gave it to him if he picked up one foot and jumped off the one behind the 3

[KNOW1EDGE]

Rose and CDR are choke artists!!

[fiad06]

They chocked worse than the Patriots.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Honestly, Memphis had this game in hand with about 3 minutes left. If they lose, and it's starting to look like they will, this has to go up there with the greatest choke-jobs in the history of sports, along with the 2004 Yankees ALCS loss to the Red Sox and the 2006 Mavericks loss in the finals to the Heat.

That's what I was thinking... but more about the MAVS.

[DTD]

Memphis was up 9 points with 1 minute left in regulation. This is a huge choke job.

[Mateo]

I remember in 2001 (?) when Jason WIlliams choked on the free throw line in Duke's loss to Indiana. That was probably the difference between the #1 and #2 pick in the draft. Rose's blunder could have similar results.

[raid09]

i'm guessing they would have gave it to him if he picked up one foot and jumped off the one behind the 3

Probably. But he didn't. It's not like it was a close call, he clearly took off in front of the line. Just weird that they talked about it for 2 minutes before OT started.

CDR MADE HIS FTS!!!

[statman32]

I remember in 2001 (?) when Jason WIlliams choked on the free throw line in Duke's loss to Indiana. That was probably the difference between the #1 and #2 pick in the draft. Rose's blunder could have similar results.
:oldlol:

Someone please ban this kid.

[A Loyal NJ Fan]

CDR is cold-blooded.

[sbw19]

not ove yet.

[qrich]

Wowowow why the hell was Memphis going for three? They didn't need it at the time, but big trey right there.....down to the wire...get you're seatbelts on gang :oldlol:

[sbw19]

3pter..

[Mewwem22]

Memphis took a while to get that three, but they got it... Only a 1 possession game now with plenty of time left.

[raid09]

Wowowow why the hell was Memphis going for three? They didn't need it at the time, but big trey right there.....down to the wire...get you're seatbelts on gang :oldlol:

That possession it was needed since Kansas just scored, but...

The possession before? Two of the best penetrators in the league and they both take contested 3s...?

[StroShow4]

CDR is cold-blooded.

apparently not on the free throw line :oldlol:

[Mateo]

wow, coaches refuse to play defense in college games. that's how bad college free throw shooting is.

[KNOW1EDGE]

This game came down to free throws.

Memphis is a horrible free throw shooting team and it cost them the national title.....

[sbw19]

why foul?

[canadianballer]

^ Good question, terrible foul. Kansas inbound

[A Loyal NJ Fan]

apparently not on the free throw line :oldlol:

:oldlol:

True, but that was a much-needed 3.

[canadianballer]

Nice slip, christmas gift for memphis

[KokeAyne]

Tie-ups, 1-and-1 free throws, 35 second shot clock...the NCAA has some lame ass f*ckin rules.

[raid09]

Both of these top back courts trying to give it away... :oldlol:

[Mateo]

ova

[RandomBalla55]

This game came down to free throws.

Memphis is a horrible free throw shooting team and it cost them the national title.....

You mean CDR. This game is on CDR's shoulders. He wanted that basketball, Memphis gave it to him, and he choked at the FT line.

He's 1st team All-America for a reason. He didn't show it tonight.

[sbw19]

big break for memphis

[sbw19]

now it's over..

[canadianballer]

If your gonna loose you should loose with your best. (CDR), but Memphis has to blame themselves on their free throws, nor just CDR

[hotsizzle]

FTs:oldlol: you somehow knew that would kill memphis. been the problem all season

what a choke job

[Mateo]

every college team is bad at free throws?

more or less. compared to nba teams they are atrocious. there's probably some mid-major team out there that makes all their free throws but most bcs schools are bad at free throws.

[dwight20-20]

its always been said that FT shooting would be memphis' downfall and thats the way it turned out.

[bigkingsfan]

CDR NBA draft comparison : Nick Anderson

[KenneBell]

One of the best games I've seen in a long time. :cheers:

Congrats Kansas!

[canadianballer]

Good game, Congrats KU

[slaman]

Mario Calmers sends title game into OT
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=807828839180229562
Mario Calmers of Kansas changes the momentum of the game with a *huge* shot nearing the end of regulation.

[raid09]

Great...

SportsCenter headline all week: Memphis misses free throws.

[konex]

CDR = GOAT

What a gut-punch for Memphis fans

[Loki]

EPIC collapse in regulation by Memphis, and then terrible execution/decision-making in OT.

[Loki]

Wow... I don't think Rose is ready for the NBA yet. He can't even take over a college game.

He looked WAY too passive for much of the game save for a 6:00 stretch in the second half.

[DuMa]

that was horrible to watch. a team that choked away the championship is never good

[Mateo]

No more hate for Memphis and Douglas-Roberts. I legitimately feel bad for him/them. To have the game in hand and to lose it like that, that's something that's hard to ever recover from.

[mn9500]

thats what happens when you cant make free throws. it was bound to happen to Memphis.

[GOBB]

Now Bill Self bolts Kansas for the moola baby, the dollar dollar bills yawl!!!

$40mil? $6mil bonus? PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUN like the road runner!

[IlliniFan]

What a choke job by Memphis. Gota hand it to Kansas though. They never gave up. Great game to finish the tournament.

[RandomBalla55]

Wow... I don't think Rose is ready for the NBA yet. He can't even take over a college game.

??

Don't blame Rose man.

Rose was fighting a stomach virus and still did MORE then enough to win this damn game. He took over and put Memphis IN THE LEAD.

He trusted his 1st team all America teammate, Chris Douglas-Roberts, who was 4/4 at the time and also wanting the basketball, to make some friggin FTs. That didn't happen.

I'm sorry man, the blame goes to CDR here. I hate to play the blame game but **** man, CDR choked. And HARD.

[Flashbeanie]

That game is almost like a Billiard's player scratching on the 8 ball. Kansas didn't win that game so much as Memphis lost it. The NCAA: "Where 75% FT shooter is a Sharpshooter." Disgusting that hack-a-player strategy actually worked.

[Hawker]

Good to see Kansas win to prove that the best basketball conference in the nation is the Big 12.

[wang4three]

I absolutely love Darrell Arthur. He's impressed me incredibly all through the season. Sign me up. Definitely a fan.

[Younggrease]

He looked WAY too passive for much of the game save for a 6:00 stretch in the second half.

That is how he has played the majority of the year. He has a lot of god given ability but his feel for the game isnt great. I think he could be a good guard in the right system but I dont trust his pg skills. He actually reminds me of a more athletic Devin Harris on offense.

[thenextgreatbigman]

That game is almost like a Billiard's player scratching on the 8 ball. Kansas didn't win that game so much as Memphis lost it. The NCAA: "Where 75% FT shooter is a Sharpshooter." Disgusting that hack-a-player strategy actually worked.
All this comes from people who fail to realize that memphis was once of the worst FT shooting teams in the country. That's why at the start of the tournament nobody had them winning even though they only lost 1 game all season.

[Mateo]

Now Bill Self bolts Kansas for the moola baby, the dollar dollar bills yawl!!!

$40mil? $6mil bonus? PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUN like the road runner!

No, now that he's won them their first championship in 20 years, Kansas will open their wallet. Even Williams never won them a chip, and he was paid well.

Ok St. is going after Gillispie next, and if they pay him enough they might get him. He hasn't done enough his first year to warrant much money from Kentucky, so they might let him go if Ok St pays enough. Kentucky could go after one of their former players, John Pelphrey or Travis Ford, both of whom had good seasons this year.

[konex]

****, my dreams of Chalmers fallin' to the Lakers crushed. **** you, CDR :(

[GOBB]

ruuuuuush ruuuuuush hurry hurry brandon score from threeeeeee
ruuuuuush ruuuuuush steal it then slam it on mempheeeee

[raid09]

Good to see Kansas win to prove that the best basketball conference in the nation is the Big 12.

Let's not get carried away...

[xTozer]

Wow... I don't think Rose is ready for the NBA yet. He can't even take over a college game.
Kidding?

He took over the game for the 5-6 Minutes where Memphis made their push and went up 7 Points, he scored 11 of their Last 15 Points to Close the Game, the only thing that went wrong was that Memphis went to a Cold Man in the Crunch, when he scored very little in the 2nd Half.

I was really impressed with Rose...dont know how you couldnt be.

[GOBB]

****, my dreams of Chalmers fallin' to the Lakers crushed. **** you, CDR :(

Yeah because Chalmers is going top 20 in next years draft :rolleyes:

[thenextgreatbigman]

the only reason they lost this game is because dorsey fouled out. kansas went straight to the paint and got that 6 point lead.

[ForceOfNature]

This is what happens when you choke. Memphis choked this away by missing free throws and opportunities late, congrats to Kansas. I like the game of Mario Chalmers, I hope he gets to the NBA and succeeds. This can be his stepping stone.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Wow... I don't think Rose is ready for the NBA yet. He can't even take over a college game.


HAHA LMFAO EVERYONE HOP OFF THE BANDWAGON CUZ OF 1 GAME??

And hes not gonna have to take over a game in the NBA his rookie year.

He got his team to the champinoship game. Lots of superstar pg's in the NBA never even played in a title game.

Derrick Rose is the trueth, he will be a portland trailblazer next year....

[GOBB]

No, now that he's won them their first championship in 20 years, Kansas will open their wallet. Even Williams never won them a chip, and he was paid well.

Ok St. is going after Gillispie next, and if they pay him enough they might get him. He hasn't done enough his first year to warrant much money from Kentucky, so they might let him go if Ok St pays enough. Kentucky could go after one of their former players, John Pelphrey or Travis Ford, both of whom had good seasons this year.

He's from OK St...played there, its home. He left numerous schools already. Sorry, he's bolting. Home + $$$$ = See Ya, wouldnt wanna be ya! Watch.

[L.Kizzle]

Ef you Douglas-Roberts, Now only did you lose, so did I.

:banghead:

[Loki]

That is how he has played the majority of the year. He has a lot of god given ability but his feel for the game isnt great. I think he could be a good guard in the right system but I dont trust his pg skills. He actually reminds me of a more athletic Devin Harris on offense.

He's definitely not as fast/quick as Devin Harris imo. I was saying to myself that he didn't look nearly as fast as he should be with the way people are hyping him. That smaller PG on Kansas was WAY faster than him -- that dude had some lightning drives this game in the halfcourt (don't know his name, since I don't follow college ball; I don't think it was Chalmers, though, it was a smaller guy). Rose looks like a better leaper and finisher than Harris, however. His shot looks a bit awkward, though. Not Lebron 2004 awkward, but a bit off.

[GOBB]

the only reason they lost this game is because dorsey fouled out. kansas went straight to the paint and got that 6 point lead.

STFU homo :rolleyes:

[Flashbeanie]

Do you think the Memphis players can recover psychologically, especially the ones that go to the NBA (CDR and Rose)? Not damaged to the extent of Nick Anderson, of course, but along the lines of Nowitzki.

[ForceOfNature]

Someone upload "One Shining Moment" as soon as it comes on lol.

[statman32]

Do you think the Memphis players can recover psychologically, especially the ones that go to the NBA (CDR and Rose)?
I hate people

[RandomBalla55]

Do you think the Memphis players can recover psychologically, especially the ones that go to the NBA (CDR and Rose)?

Huh? Again, Rose didn't choke tonight. Rose was the guy who PUT them in a position to win this game.

CDR choked tonight. CDR's offseason is going to be a LONG one. That's a sinking feeling right there, you ask for the ball and you can't make your FTs. If your not going to pass it to Rose, you sure as hell better make 'em.

And yes, I know Rose split his FTs. A split is all what CDR needed and he couldn't get THAT.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Do you think the Memphis players can recover psychologically, especially the ones that go to the NBA (CDR and Rose)?


HAHA LMFAO ROTFL

No, they are gonna go in their rooms and cry and never come out. What a horible year of basketball for them huh? losing 2 games all season?

They are gonna be so crushed from this loss that they will never want to play basketball again.

WTF are you people talking about?

Rose will be a top 2 pick and have a great NBA career. You think 1 loss is gonna ruin his basketball career?

[raid09]

This is what happens when you choke. Memphis choked this away by missing free throws and opportunities late, congrats to Kansas. I like the game of Mario Chalmers, I hope he gets to the NBA and succeeds. This can be his stepping stone.

Really? Thanks for the insight.

[ryantheporchkid]

It's really unnecessary to interview the players.

[InspiredLebowski]

I didn't think KU had a shot in OT the way they kept giving up o-boards. Shows ya what I know.

[Flashbeanie]

HAHA LMFAO ROTFL

No, they are gonna go in their rooms and cry and never come out. What a horible year of basketball for them huh? losing 2 games all season?

They are gonna be so crushed from this loss that they will never want to play basketball again.

WTF are you people talking about?

Rose will be a top 2 pick and have a great NBA career. You think 1 loss is gonna ruin his basketball career?

Not ruin his career, but it might have a lingering effect in playoff intensity, close basketball games. It might turn a normally 90% FT shooter into an 80% FT shooter. If they let even the slightest doubt crawl in, it could have a subconscious effect.

[thenextgreatbigman]

STFU homo :rolleyes:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ster23/e-thug.jpg

[RandomBalla55]

Not ruin his career, but it might have a lingering effect in playoff intensity, close basketball games. It might turn a normally 90% FT shooter into an 80% FT shooter. If they let even the slightest doubt crawl in, it could have a subconscious effect.

I could see it happening to CDR. But CDR's FT shooting has been suspect but it looked like he cleaned up his form in the NCAAs.

But for Rose? Again, he didn't choke tonight. He shouldn't be holding his head down. He split his FTs. CDR splits one of his chances, Memphis probably wins the game.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Not ruin his career, but it might have a lingering effect in playoff intensity, close basketball games. It might turn a normally 90% FT shooter into an 80% FT shooter. If they let even the slightest doubt crawl in, it could have a subconscious effect.

No, losing 1 basketball game is not gonna make him a worse player. He will reflect over the next few weeks.

Then he will start preparing for the NBA draft and he will totally forget all about college basketball.

He will be drafted #1 or 2 and will start his NBA career. This game will be long-forgotten come this time next year.

[dwight20-20]

HAHA LMFAO ROTFL

No, they are gonna go in their rooms and cry and never come out. What a horible year of basketball for them huh? losing 2 games all season?

They are gonna be so crushed from this loss that they will never want to play basketball again.

WTF are you people talking about?

Rose will be a top 2 pick and have a great NBA career. You think 1 loss is gonna ruin his basketball career?

sure, they had a great season, but in the end they didnt come out on top and thats all that matters. they will move on, but theyre not gonna forget about letting the championship slip from their fingers over night.

[InspiredLebowski]

There's absolutely no excuse for a D1 player or higher not to shoot at least 75% from the line. Unless you have Chuck Hayes form.

[Valliant13]

No, losing 1 basketball game is not gonna make him a worse player. He will reflect over the next few weeks.

Then he will start preparing for the NBA draft and he will totally forget all about college basketball.

He will be drafted #1 or 2 and will start his NBA career. This game will be long-forgotten come this time next year.

Ask Webber if he ever forget his most memorable collage game.

[InspiredLebowski]

Ask Webber if he ever forget his most memorable collage game.

Not even close to the same thing

[StroShow4]

is anybody watching the press conference? rose looks drained. looks like he's about to break down and cry.

[raid09]

It came down to more than CDR's missed FTs...

- The inbound turnover turning into a Kansas 3, cutting the 7 point lead to a 4 point lead.
- Dorsey committing a dumb foul 30 feet from the basket, in a 1-and-1 situation, cutting the lead and taking himself out of OT.
- Not fouling on the last possession. Making a FT, grabbing the offensive rebounding on the second and putting it in is less likely than a good 3 point shooting team making a 3.
- Etc.

All 3 of those things were as easy to avoid as making a FT.

[G-train]

Rose didn't do anything wrong in the last 10 mins, but the problem is he didn't really do anything.
I don't blame him either, I blame Calipari's play calling. They should have run more pick and rolls, probably between Rose and Dozier. CDR can play off Rose's penetration rather than have to create his own shot constantly.

[raid09]

Rose didn't do anything wrong in the last 10 mins, but the problem is he didn't really do anything.
I don't blame him either, I blame Calipari's play calling. They should have run more pick and rolls, probably between Rose and Dozier. CDR can play off Rose's penetration rather than have to create his own shot constantly.

No. Memphis was trying to run picks for Rose all night and it wasn't working. They doubled him every time when a big man came up forcing it out of his hands. He got his points when no screens came.

[Younggrease]

No. Memphis was trying to run picks for Rose all night and it wasn't working. They doubled him every time when a big man came up forcing it out of his hands. He got his points when no screens came.

he got his points when they went box and 1 or 1-2-2...

he scored a banker 2, wide open 3, layup off broken play, layup on a fastbreak...nothing was off of any type of iso without a screen. He couldnt get by Collins screen or no screen.

The last 10 minutes he just defered and seemed like he didnt want the pressure of taking control of the game.

[raid09]

he got his points when they went box and 1 or 1-2-2...

he scored a banker 2, wide open 3, layup off broken play, layup on a fastbreak...nothing was off of any type of iso without a screen. He couldnt get by Collins screen or no screen.

The last 10 minutes he just defered and seemed like he didnt want the pressure of taking control of the game.

That's true. Doesn't change the fact that the pick and roll wasn't working.

[i seen hippos]

Did CDR pick on Randomballa55 in kindergarten? Every single post he makes sure everyone knows CDR ****ed up.:roll:

On another note, no offense, but a lot of you guys don't follow college ball. If you're someone who does follow it, you can tell. Rose isn't ready cause of this? Does that mean no one should enter the draft?:roll: WTF kind of stupid comment is that?

Rose not fast? Maybe if you only watched him play one game all season.:roll:

And some of you are lucky Jeff deleted a lot posts before the game started claiming Memphis would kill Kansas. Idiots.

[RandomBalla55]

Did CDR pick on Randomballa55 in kindergarten? Every single post he makes sure everyone knows CDR ****ed up.:roll:

On another note, no offense, but a lot of you guys don't follow college ball. If you're someone who does follow it, you can tell. Rose isn't ready cause of this? Does that mean no one should enter the draft?:roll: WTF kind of stupid comment is that?

Rose not fast? Maybe if you only watched him play one game all season.:roll:

And some of you are lucky Jeff deleted a lot posts before the game started claiming Memphis would kill Kansas. Idiots.

True that. I dunno why I'm so mad at CDR. I like him and all.

[G-train]

That's true. Doesn't change the fact that the pick and roll wasn't working.

Those plays for CDR sure as hell arent gonna work when he is exhausted. Meanwhile your star guard is waltzing around at full capacity. They had to go back to it in the clutch and at least attempt it, especially with CDR walking around like he had concrete in his boots.

[IlliniFan]

LOL at some of the people in here saying Rose isn't ready for the NBA based on this one game....:roll:

[raid09]

I love this.

Before the Tennessee game: "Memphis is the besssssttt!"
After the Tennessee game/right before March Madness: "Memphis will be lucky to make it past the Elite 8! They can't shoot FT's!"
After the Mich St. game/before and after the UCLA game: "MEMPHIS IS SO RAW. SEE THEY PICKED UP THEIR FT SHOOTING WHEN IT MATTERS!"

Now: "I knew it. Memphis sucks."

[statman32]

LOL at some of the people in here saying Rose isn't ready for the NBA based on this one game....:roll:
He is scarred for life. :eek:

[G-train]

Rose wanted that game in the clutch, but he did the right thing and ran Cali's plays.
If the p & r aint working, they need at least 1 or 2 more plays for Rose to score, particulary in the dying minutes.

[KNOW1EDGE]

LOL at some of the people in here saying Rose isn't ready for the NBA based on this one game....:roll:

Seriousley, everyone is ready to write him off and say he isnt ready for the NBA, people sayin this loss is gonna haunt him forever and make him a worse player.

The stupidity in this thread is off the charts!

[G-train]

He showed good poise all game I thought, he'll have a good NBA game.

[i seen hippos]

Oh ya. I said this about 2 weeks into the season that Kansas was the best team in the country. I am a genious.

[InspiredLebowski]

I am a genious.

Not quite

[i seen hippos]

Not quite

Yes quite. A real genious.

[Lebron23]

I am sure Dr. James Naismith is proud watching this game in Heaven. The investor of basketball is the first Head Coach of the Jayhawks.

[i seen hippos]

I am sure Dr. James Naismith is proud watching this game in Heaven. The investor of basketball is the first Head Coach of the Jayhawks.

See, now this is funny. "Investor of basketball". "IS the head coach.":roll:

Unlike that silly Labowski who doesn't realize many words in Canada have a "ou" insted of just an "o" or "u". Expand your knowledge my friend. Don't let the other hicks in Indiana hold you back.

[Zan Tabak]

What a game!:bowdown:

[trig]

I am sure Dr. James Naismith is proud watching this game in Heaven. The investor of basketball is the first Head Coach of the Jayhawks.

Naismith: Hey ref, that's a foul!
Ref: Nope
Naismith: I invented this game! Thats a foul!
Ref: Oh ****

[Da KO King]

I think Kansas is going to win this thing.

Memphis is doing a lot of ball screening and that's not their game. They could be setting themselves up for a critical error in execution late in the game.
:hammertime:

About time I got one right. After UCLA, UNC, and Memphis' late lead I thought I'd be 0-the Final Four. :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Naismith: Hey ref, that's a foul!
Ref: Nope
Naismith: I invented this game! Thats a foul!
Ref: Oh ****


:roll: :oldlol: :roll:

[FireMcFailPlease]

it doesnt get any better then that.

hell of a game even tho i was wrong on the prediction.

just goes to show how much more exciting the NCAA tournament is compared to the long, drawn out, boring NBA playoffs.

College basketball at its finest.

Congrats KU

[WillyJakk]

Free throws didn't really cost Memphis the game when all they had to do was FOUL Chalmers before he got off the game-tying 3. If Memphis fouls him before he shoots then it's a 2 shot foul which puts Kansas in a "make one miss one, get the rebound" situation or "make 2 and quick foul" situation w/ 2.1 seconds left in the game so to me that comes down to coaching moreso than free throws since despite terrible free throw shooting, Memphis was still winning by 3. Coach Calipari choked.

[AlThornton]

Am i missing something here? Rose missed 1 free throw. It happens he isn't a machine. he still shot 75% from the line better then his average.

he was also the only player in the game to play all 45 minutes. he was drained.

[ChrisConley]

Free throws didn't really cost Memphis the game when all they had to do was FOUL Chalmers before he got off the game-tying 3. If Memphis fouls him before he shoots then it's a 2 shot foul which puts Kansas in a "make one miss one, get the rebound" situation or "make 2 and quick foul" situation w/ 2.1 seconds left in the game so to me that comes down to coaching moreso than free throws since despite terrible free throw shooting, Memphis was still winning by 3. Coach Calipari choked.

how can you say free throws didn't cost them the game? if they didn't miss 4 of their last 5 they would have won. simple as that. with the pressure on douglas roberts and rose both choked big time.

[ChrisConley]

Am i missing something here? Rose missed 1 free throw. It happens he isn't a machine. he still shot 75% from the line better then his average.

he was also the only player in the game to play all 45 minutes. he was drained.

when they were up 4 in regulation, with less than a minute left, they inbounded to rose, and the defender straight stripped him and dished for a layup. it was a weak play by rose. he also was scoreless in overtime of the biggest game of his life. granted, he was drained like you say, and carried them almost the entire 2nd half.

[WillyJakk]

how can you say free throws didn't cost them the game? if they didn't miss 4 of their last 5 they would have won. simple as that. with the pressure on douglas roberts and rose both choked big time.

It wasn't a situation where they missed free throws to tie or break a tie score, they missed free throws while they had a lead. Could they have increased their lead, yes of course but it certainly didn't cost them the game. Kansas still had to make a 3 to tie the game and instead of Memphis fouling them, they let Kansas (Chalmers) shoot a 3 therefore, free throws didn't cost Memphis the game. Coach Calipari choked.

[ChrisConley]

It wasn't a situation where they missed free throws to tie or break a tie score, they missed free throws while they had a lead. Could they have increased their lead, yes of course but it certainly didn't cost them the game. Kansas still had to make a 3 to tie the game and instead of Memphis fouling them, they let Kansas (Chalmers) shoot a 3 therefore, free throws didn't cost Memphis the game. Coach Calipari choked.

i agree with your point about calipari's idiocy. however, if rose sinks that free throw, it's a two posession game. game over. did you see douglasroberts after he missed those two? he threw the ball down and probably should have gotten a tech. ask him if his free throws cost the team the game.

[WillyJakk]

i agree with your point about calipari's idiocy. however, if rose sinks that free throw, it's a two posession game. game over. did you see douglasroberts after he missed those two? he threw the ball down and probably should have gotten a tech. ask him if his free throws cost the team the game.

We'll just agree to disagree (w/ the exception of Coach Calipari being an idiot) but I feel that even w/ the atrocious, abysmal, piss poor free throw shooting, Memphis was still leading by 3 so they've got to be prepared (which Calipari didn't do) to foul Kansas instead of giving Chalmers the contested 3pt shot. You've got to foul, period. "If they make their free throws" is out the window because the facts were they were still winning by 3 even w/ the missed free throws. Foul and Memphis is the National Champs. Coach Calipari choked.

[sulsuvtut27]

We'll just agree to disagree (w/ the exception of Coach Calipari being an idiot) but I feel that even w/ the atrocious, abysmal, piss poor free throw shooting, Memphis was still leading by 3 so they've got to be prepared (which Calipari didn't do) to foul Kansas instead of giving Chalmers the contested 3pt shot. You've got to foul, period. "If they make their free throws" is out the window because the facts were they were still winning by 3 even w/ the missed free throws. Foul and Memphis is the National Champs. Coach Calipari choked.

it doesn't matter if they were leading or not, they still choked and the free throw shooting cost them the game:cheers: :cheers: Yea Kansas:rockon: :rockon:

[1~Gibson~1]

:violin: The game is won or lost at the free throw line and in this game Memphis couldnt hit. Therefore they lose. SMH:violin:

[Da KO King]

I still can't believe Kansas won. The team that normally got in their own way and prevented themselves from winning finally came through.

[GOBB]

I would say Derrick Rose needs another year...but what can he learn/develop under Coach Cal? Not much. Bolt young man, bolt.

[GOBB]

Free throws didn't really cost Memphis the game when all they had to do was FOUL Chalmers before he got off the game-tying 3. If Memphis fouls him before he shoots then it's a 2 shot foul which puts Kansas in a "make one miss one, get the rebound" situation or "make 2 and quick foul" situation w/ 2.1 seconds left in the game so to me that comes down to coaching moreso than free throws since despite terrible free throw shooting, Memphis was still winning by 3. Coach Calipari choked.

I'm positive he told them to foul....players responsibility. Rose shouldve fouled. CDR should've...they didnt.

Coach Cal is crying tho saying "We fouled Sherron Collins!"

[WillyJakk]

I'm positive he told them to foul....players responsibility. Rose shouldve fouled. CDR should've...they didnt.

Coach Cal is crying tho saying "We fouled Sherron Collins!"

In my opinion when Calipari was saying, "We fouled Collins!" I think he was saying it in hindsight since Chalmers actually made a 3pt shot to tie the game that he (in all probability) thought he would miss. I'm also not convinced he relayed the "we've got to foul Kansas" message to them, seeing as they (Memphis) didn't even try to foul along w/ his (Cal's) demeanor on the sideline during the final play of regulation. It seems he would've been flailing away or something (even standing up, not sitting on the bench) to get the players to know exactly what they need to do at that particular time. Coach Calipari choked, not those young men playing.

[picc84]

One of the most epic chokejobs in college ball history.

Dirk Nowitzi approves of the Memphis efforts.

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070112/070112_nowitzki_vmed_8p.widec.jpg

[BTFU98923]

that game was absolutely incredible....nuff said

[Posterize246]

Free throws didn't really cost Memphis the game when all they had to do was FOUL Chalmers before he got off the game-tying 3. If Memphis fouls him before he shoots then it's a 2 shot foul which puts Kansas in a "make one miss one, get the rebound" situation or "make 2 and quick foul" situation w/ 2.1 seconds left in the game so to me that comes down to coaching moreso than free throws since despite terrible free throw shooting, Memphis was still winning by 3. Coach Calipari choked.
make the free throws...even go 2 for 5,and you dont have to foul.cdr and rose had been making them up until the championship.theyre the ones who choked

[SwooshGurl]

Yeah I hate when everyone tries to blame one person (eg CDR) for the loss. So yeah CDR missed some free throws- but there were plenty of other times in the game that other people screwed up and there was bad coaching. Get off CDR's nuts!

[darenzou]

I don't remember the exact games, but I definitely remember Mario Chalmers pulling an incredibly clutch 3 pointer at least one other time in his KU career. Might have been in the big 12 conference tournament, or possibly a big conference rivalry game. Does anyone recall?

[DwadeOverLebron]

swooshgirl you gotta pic? :cheers:

calipari's the coach he shoulda called a time out to get everybody on the same page, foul collins! but in that situation there was sooo much pressure and everythings happening soooo fast with the adrenaline and everything can cloud the greatest of minds, calipari's a unbelievable coach that didn't do a good job down the stretch, im sure he's beating himself over the head more than anybody else is. Im kinda sick of hearing how memphis beat themselves and its this persons fault or caliparis fault. im gonna flip the subject here.

lets talk about how kansas almost let this one get away, lets face it kansas should have lost! i picked kansas too win myself because i believe they are MUCH more talented than memphis, BUT memphis has been playing the best basketball as a team than any other team in the nation. I think KU has more talent than any team in the nation.

kansas was the MUCH better team in the 1st half, they put dorsey, dozier in foul trouble and was killen it inside, calipari knew it was coming, the freakin whole nation knew KU was gonna pound it inside in the first half, and yet memphis couldn't stop it.

2nd half KU got away from it, they started running weaves with there 3 gaurd set, and there bigs were screening and switching up on the block, with the occasional p&r, memphis murdered them in the 2nd. KU shoulda lost!

so my question is this... why didn't bill self pound it more on the inside? he almost cost his team the game, im a firm believer in when it's not broken don't fix it! i have no idea why self ran the plays he did in the 2nd half, im assuming he thought memphis was goin to make adjustments and self thought he would capitalize assuming the perimeter will be open, bad bad move by self.

if i was self i would of ran it up and down the court, memphis can't keep up with KU, some of yall might think im crazy, but if you watched the first half not only were the bigs scoring at will inside the paint, they were running getting easy buckets in transition also, there are probably only two teams athletic enough to run with memphis and thats KU and tennesee. who does memhis have? rose, CDR, Dozier, and dorsey, and everybody else are role players, KU's frontline are disgusting arthur, jackson, kahn, alderidge (the freshman) you could very well see all four of these players in the league with the exception of maybe darnell jackson, i think sasha kahn will be a very very good pro actually and most of yall will prolly be like who? once he gets to the league, he'll be a 2nd round steal hope the bullies grab him, and then you got rush, russell, chalmers, collins, look at that lineup! thats possibly 6 nba'ers realistically, 8 very very good solid players, how can you not be blown away with that talent, on paper this KU team is the most talented college bball team ever that i've seen ON PAPER. KU should have ran it, theres no way memphis woulda kept up and it would have been a lobsided KU victory. Case in point bill self got lucky, didn't do a good coaching job, hell he still hasn't proved to me he's a good coach yet,but one hell of a recruiter. Self got really lucky with this one.