Why do ________ __________ tip so badly?

[e-Thugstylez]

I can't keep this "tongue-in-cheek" anymore. Believe me I know, this is going to come across as brute and politically incorrect, but I need to see if anyone else has noticed the same thing. I'm talking about African Americans being the most god-awful tippers in the world. Yes, I understand this is not the same for everyone. You'll have whites or other races who tip just as bad, but I'm talking on average, and it's not even close.

I'm sorry if this upsets some of you all, but I really want to know the reasoning behind this? It's not like every African American is living pay check to pay check these days, so what gives? I've seen this all my life since I can remember. When I was 19, my girl and I drove up to Cedar Point in OH for a small vacation. On the drive back, we stopped at some local IHOP spin-off and witnessed this topic in action. There was a group of African Americans with an average age of maybe 25, not just a bunch of kids. I'm talking like 8 - 10 people at this table. Their waitress was Hispanic, and my girl and I watched her bust her ass off serving that table. When they were ready to leave, someone at the tabled asked if they pay up front or does the waitress take care of it. The waitress said she does all that. So the guy paying for everyone's breakfast that morning gave her cash. Then she brought back their change. They left and I sh*t you not, they left no tip whatsoever. My girl and I watched in amazement, but that wasn't really our business so we just kept eating our breakfast. As the waitress was cleaning their table off, we could tell she was very upset. Not mad, just upset. I felt bad for her, so on our bill of roughly $12 I left a $10 tip. The waitress initially said she could not and would not accept that, but we just walked out and said keep it.

Throughout the past several years, I've seen similar things happen all the time. We all eat out a lot right, so I can't be the only one who's seen this in action? Hell, I've seen African Americans tip African Americans very poorly or no tip at all! If you're going into a sit-down restaurant, you're expected to tip! It's not an option unless you receive bad service! I really can't explain why this sets me off, it just does.

So last night, my girl and some of her friends are all out to dinner at a local Applebee’s. We were seated right before this other party of African Americans a table across from us. Throughout the entire service they kept making remarks about how slow they are there. They've never been slow at this Applebee’s! I've been here a thousand times! Every time the waitress would fill up their drinks then leave, they'd have something smart to say about her. Get this, the waitress was black too! I just found that very enigmatic. The waitress was doing a fine job, nothing bad or disservice-like trust me. There were four people at that table, two couples. They had drinks and desert on top of dinner. One of the couples paid for both dinners. I'm thinking their total was upwards of $50 plus... they paid with cash. Left $2 for the tip. As they walked out someone from their party said "well maybe next time they'll fill my cup up my water when I'm thirsty" ... and that woman never went a single second without having half her cup filled with water. The waitress came back and was like WTF??? in her body language when she seen that tip. I would have been disgusted myself.

I'm sorry LOL - just had to get this off my chest. I know all races do this, but come on people, who are we kidding - African Americans tip the worst, and it's not even close. I just want to know, WHY???

:confusedshrug:

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OK my rant is done - let the flaming begin!!!

[brwnman]

I am sorry, but that just made me laugh. I didn't even read the story cause I wasn't interested, but wanted to know the subject, so read until that. But funny.

Just be thankful that the African Americans actually paid the bill!

OKAY SORRY, just had to get that cheap shot in. I am done. Funny how a brown person is stereotyping...

[e-Thugstylez]

I am sorry, but that just made me laugh. I didn't even read the story cause I wasn't interested, but wanted to know the subject, so read until that. But funny.

Just be thankful that the African Americans actually paid the bill!

OKAY SORRY, just had to get that cheap shot in. I am done. Funny how a brown person is stereotyping...

LOL - I know right. I just want to know the reasoning behind it?

[DeuceWallaces]

I have my soc degree in minority/ethnic relations, so I'm not one to be prejudicial, but after waiting tables for 4 years during undergrad I can say the average blacl family tips a lot worse. There's nothing worse than working a table of 10 after church on sunday and getting 8 bucks on 100.

[JtotheIzzo]

when did people start calling Asians 'African American'?

[ihatetimthomas]

This based off a friend of mine who was a waitress. I am not sterotyping, just basing it off her experience. She told me of all races, that Black people tipped by far the worse. She worked at Claim Jumper, which is not the best, but not the worst quality either, so there was an even mix of people. And she is the type of person to bust her as$ off with a smile in what ever she does, so I know she always provided good service. She said there was a time 2 black couples came in for dinner and a few drinks, constantly asking for refills and whatnot. Bill was around 90-100 bucks. They honeslty left change on the table as tip!. And this was not the only incident she told me about. Of course there were other races who left bad tips and there were black people who did leave a good tip but blacks were the most consistent to leave bad tip in her time there. She told me there were people who left below average tips, but black people were the ones who left the "insultful" tips where its like a few bucks.

[Kebab Stall]

What the hell is it with Americans and tipping?

[DeuceWallaces]

Le service n'est pas compris.

[The Ownage]

I remember an old thread about how people tipping $20 is bad :roll: . Seriously, Americans are crazy over tipping. It's like, in England, we give them a

[DeuceWallaces]

Waiters make half the minimum wage and depend on 15% for a living wage.

[ihatetimthomas]

What the hell is it with Americans and tipping?

Its called a way to make the customers pay for waiters/waitresses salary so the guy in charge doesnt have to. I wonder who came up with tipping. A genius move to avoid paying higher wages to their workers. Pay them minimum + "tips". But yea its pretty much expected to do so and you look real cheap when you dont tip. Sucks bc its expected, even when the service is crap. I love going out of the U.S. bc tip is never required or expected.

[Kebab Stall]

Its called a way to make the customers pay for waiters/waitresses salary so the guy in charge doesnt have to. I wonder who came up with tipping. A genius move to avoid paying higher wages to their workers. Pay them minimum + "tips". But yea its pretty much expected to do so and you look real cheap when you dont tip. Sucks bc its expected, even when the service is crap. I love going out of the U.S. bc tip is never required or expected.
I just don't understand why you would give someone extra money for doing what they are suppose to do and what they already get payed for.

[ikoiko]

What the hell is it with Americans and tipping?

i find it strange too.

[ihatetimthomas]

I just don't understand why you would give someone extra money for doing what they are suppose to do and what they already get payed for.

Yea it doesnt make sense at all but its pretty much standard here and everyone is used to pulling out a tip after they eat dinner. Its pretty much part of the bill. Its been around so long that i would feel guilty for not leaving one bc they get paid crap

[cartmanclone]

why is it that white kids stink?
what the fu-cks up wit that...


fu-ck wit me

[Cannonball]

Its called a way to make the customers pay for waiters/waitresses salary so the guy in charge doesnt have to. I wonder who came up with tipping. A genius move to avoid paying higher wages to their workers. Pay them minimum + "tips". But yea its pretty much expected to do so and you look real cheap when you dont tip. Sucks bc its expected, even when the service is crap. I love going out of the U.S. bc tip is never required or expected.
you don't get minimum you get like 2.40 an hour...

[ElPigto]

I just don't understand why you would give someone extra money for doing what they are suppose to do and what they already get payed for.

They make like $2 plus change an hour.

If their salaries were adjusted to say, $8 an hour then most of us wouldn't tip, but since they are so dependent on customers tipping, most are comprehensive and leave a proper tip.

[statman32]

why is it that white kids stink?
what the fu-cks up wit that...


fu-ck wit me
We have a sweat gland that produces a eura of power.. The side effect is the smell.

[ihatetimthomas]

you don't get minimum you get like 2.40 an hour...

Ah...what a come up for restaurant owners. Sheesh 2 bucks an hour? Such garbage this tipping system

[dnyk1337]

In Japan it's considered rude to take tips... yeah... that's why I'm moving.

[Cannonball]

for real tipping should be if I really liked the service. Not because they didn't stain my clothing.

[ihatetimthomas]

In Japan it's considered rude to take tips... yeah... that's why I'm moving.

Yea but everything is so much more expensive so it probably ends up costing you more than it would here

[cartmanclone]

We have a sweat gland that produces a eura of power.. The side effect is the smell.
you meant aura?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[InspiredLebowski]

Waiters/waitresses are routinely paid below the minimum wage, something about since they make tips (sometimes) it's legal. We're talking $4 an hour for ****ing busting your ass. I've never not tipped, and if you don't give me a reason not to, I'm giving at least 25%.

edit: this thread garnered 4 replies while I typed this post

[DeuceWallaces]

Most waiters make approximately 2.65 an hour. At Applebee's we got a raise to 3.15 after a while.

[-primetime-]

ANSWER TO THE OP:

(and yes I have heard the same steriotype from several waitresses)

very simple...

in general African Americans have less money...(Pacman Jones tips 20k)


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(no offense ment and none should be taken...it is just the reality of it)

[InspiredLebowski]

That's got to be such a **** job. You get paid dick, you're on your feet the whole time, and you have to put on a happy face the whole time and put up with all kinds of stuff from horribly rude customers just to get by. This reminds me, remember that story about LeBron being a horrible tipper? Something like $10 on a $800 bill.

[ihatetimthomas]

ANSWER TO THE OP:

(and yes I have heard the same steriotype from several waitresses)

very simple...

in general African Americans have less money...(Pacman Jones tips 20k)


end

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(no offense ment and none should be taken...it is just the reality of it)

Do you tink the reason is they have less money? I mean some my friend worked at claim jumpers and the bills were pretty high for someone who has "less money" It was common for a group of 4 or 5 to total up a bill of 100+. If they couldnt afford it, why go there in the 1st place and if they can afford that type of meal, then how is 3 bucks more a person going to hurt?

[n00bie]

Why do black people look like gorillas?
How come asian people have no eyes?
Why do brown people smell like BO?
How come every white person looks like a creepy ******?
Why do jews have such big noses?

[ihatetimthomas]

Why do black people look like gorillas?
How come asian people have no eyes?
Why do brown people smell like BO?
How come every white person looks like a creepy ******?
Why do jews have such big noses?

genetics?

[wTFaMonkey]

it depends on which african americans.

i work at my dads restaurant and mainly the "ghetto" youngsters dont tip. but the older african americans do tip

[n00bie]

genetics?

good answer!

/End Racist Thread

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Why do black people look like gorillas?
How come asian people have no eyes?
Why do brown people smell like BO?
How come every white person looks like a creepy ******?
Why do jews have such big noses?
wow

I am sure you will be banned for this...

your post is not on par with the OP at all...

[JtotheIzzo]

In Japan it's considered rude to take tips... yeah... that's why I'm moving.

not exactly...it is rude to TIP someone, to Asians it looks like you think you are of a higher social class, which is considered very arrogant. But in big Asian cities, especially places where foreign devils (aka crackers) congregate, there are tip jars and people tip (but just a nominal amount, usually the change at the end of the night as most bars run tabs).

[DeuceWallaces]

ANSWER TO THE OP:

(and yes I have heard the same steriotype from several waitresses)

very simple...

in general African Americans have less money...(Pacman Jones tips 20k)


end

thread


(no offense ment and none should be taken...it is just the reality of it)

No it's not simple and the thread isn't over. People who wait tables or have friends that do have said repeatedly in this thread that it's irespective of income.

[-primetime-]

Do you tink the reason is they have less money?
yes...if they were all rich this would not be an issue


I mean some my friend worked at claim jumpers and the bills were pretty high for someone who has "less money" It was common for a group of 4 or 5 to total up a bill of 100+. If they couldnt afford it, why go there in the 1st place and if they can afford that type of meal, then how is 3 bucks more a person going to hurt?
they either made a bad decission going there or they didn't expect such a large bill or they went in having already decided in thier head that they were going to tip low...honestly I can't answer that part of the question...




but I am 100% sure this is not a genetics issue but rather a money issue...

[JtotheIzzo]

Didn't Chad Johnson or someone work a t a pizza joint for a day or something last year because he was such a renowned sh*t tipper?

[JtotheIzzo]

yes...if they were all rich this would not be an issue


they either made a bad decission going there or they didn't expect such a large bill or they went in having already decided in thier head that they were going to tip low...honestly I can't answer that part of the question...




but I am 100% sure this is not a genetics issue but rather a money issue...

as long as you are sure:rolleyes:

[-primetime-]

No it's not simple and the thread isn't over. People who wait tables or have friends that do have said repeatedly in this thread that it's irespective of income.

so it is gentic?

that is what youare saying...they have it in thier DNA to tip low???

I don't buy it...

the average African American has less money than the average white American thus the average African American tip is lower....simple

[InspiredLebowski]

Didn't Chad Johnson or someone work a t a pizza joint for a day or something last year because he was such a renowned sh*t tipper?

I remember that story, can't remember the specific athlete though. I Googled it and found nothing. But I did find this interview of a concussed Chad Johnson giving an interview :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgNREzBAnY4&eurl=http://deadspin.com/sports/nfl/chad-johnson-perhaps-unaware-of-his-surroundings-202233.php

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as long as you are sure:rolleyes:
obvioulsy this is in general...

sure there have to be cases where the African American just thought the service was bad or hates white people or was raised to think that it is alright to tip low or ect ect ect....

I am just saying that in general obviously this is a money issue...not a genetic issue

[ihatetimthomas]

yes...if they were all rich this would not be an issue


they either made a bad decission going there or they didn't expect such a large bill or they went in having already decided in thier head that they were going to tip low...honestly I can't answer that part of the question...




but I am 100% sure this is not a genetics issue but rather a money issue...

Never said it was genetic. Stuff like that you are not born with. I dont know, maybe its how some people were brought up? Like their parents never tipped and their parents never tipped so they think its normal to not leave a good tip?

Just boggles my mind that people who can afford a big meal cannot afford to tip. Relative to the total bill, it is very inexpensive for a group of peole to gather up a few bucks. Maybe it was bad decision making but cmon, if you can afford to pay a 25 dollar meal, then you can afford 3 extra bucks a person.

[PK3434]

i promote in nightclubs and i notice that while black people do tip bartenders less, they buy the most expensive kinds of alcohol.

[JtotheIzzo]

I remember that story, can't remember the specific athlete though. I Googled it and found nothing. But I did find this interview of a concussed Chad Johnson giving an interview :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgNREzBAnY4&eurl=http://deadspin.com/sports/nfl/chad-johnson-perhaps-unaware-of-his-surroundings-202233.php

it was Roy Williams of the Lions

[-primetime-]

Never said it was genetic. Stuff like that you are not born with. I dont know, maybe its how some people were brought up? Like their parents never tipped and their parents never tipped so they think its normal to not leave a good tip?

Just boggles my mind that people who can afford a big meal cannot afford to tip. Relative to the total bill, it is very inexpensive for a group of peole to gather up a few bucks. Maybe it was bad decision making but cmon, if you can afford to pay a 25 dollar meal, then you can afford 3 extra bucks a person.
if it is how they were brought up that still makes it a money issue...

they were brought up with less money...



as long as we are on the same page abouot it not beinga genetic thing (because that is ridiculous IMO) then somewhere down the line the answer has to conclude to a lack of money....

[dnyk1337]

i promote in nightclubs and i notice that while black people do tip bartenders less, they buy the most expensive kinds of alcohol.

That might play a role. LOJ said himself he left a 10 dollar tip on a 12 dollar check... That's nothing (check). If black people are wasting their money on the product, that would leave them with less money for tip. Makes sense.

[ihatetimthomas]

if it is how they were brought up that still makes it a money issue...

they were brought up with less money...



as long as we are on the same page abouot it not beinga genetic thing (because that is ridiculous IMO) then somewhere down the line the answer has to conclude to a lack of money....

My argment is that it is more directly linked to possible upbringing rather than directly being related to money. It is indirectly related, but I think it happens because of how people are raised. It may have stemmed from lack of money, but I think many people dont tip because it was never of the norm for their families and upbringing, not because they cannot afford to pay the bill at the time

[-primetime-]

My argment is that it is more directly linked to possible upbringing rather than directly being related to money. It is indirectly related, but I think it happens because of how people are raised. It may have stemmed from lack of money, but I think many people dont tip because it was never of the norm for their families and upbringing, not because they cannot afford to pay the bill at the time
well when I grew up eating dinner with my family I never really looked at the checked or had any understanding of how much they were supposed to leave behind....the check was hidden for the most part...

I would have to believe this is the same for most children growing up...:confusedshrug:

once you learn that it should be 15% then your upbringing shouldn't matter anyway...you know you should tip 15% even if your mother only tipped 5%...

IDK...I would have to find it hard to believe that (in general) this is anything other than a money issue...


look at NBA stars or African American stars of any sport...once they get some money they start making it rain....Pacman wasn't the first....I grew up watching Irvin and Deion...I am sure they threw money around clubs like it was jack sh*t as well...

[SHEED_ gangsta]

phuck that **** I tip only when the waiter does a really good job or I know them. YOU'RE A DAMN WAITER who ae you to demand anything? do your whack ass job

[T.O.RAPS]

Do you tip the person that helped you when you go to micky d's, burger king? And these waiters are serving more then one table per hour anyway, so couple dollars from here and a couple from there can really add up

[-primetime-]

phuck that **** I tip only when the waiter does a really good job or I know them. YOU'RE A DAMN WAITER who ae you to demand anything? do your whack ass job
you mean that in general you tip nothing at all???



wow dude...don't go back to those places...that is an easy way to end up with saliva on your food the next time...

[e-Thugstylez]

i promote in nightclubs and i notice that while black people do tip bartenders less, they buy the most expensive kinds of alcohol.

Unfortunately - this means jack-sh*t for the waitresses.

:oldlol:

[-primetime-]

Do you tip the person that helped you when you go to micky d's, burger king? And these waiters are serving more then one table per hour anyway, so couple dollars from here and a couple from there can really add up
mickey d's and BK don't have waiters dude...you bring your food to the table yourself...

although subway does have a tip jar....I usually just toss the spare change in there and that is it

[e-Thugstylez]

phuck that **** I tip only when the waiter does a really good job or I know them. YOU'RE A DAMN WAITER who ae you to demand anything? do your whack ass job

The OP's thread - FTW!

[e-Thugstylez]

phuck that **** I tip only when the waiter does a really good job or I know them. YOU'RE A DAMN WAITER who ae you to demand anything? do your whack ass job

If this is your mentality, you shouldn't be allowed to eat in a sit-down restaurant. Your logic is only tip if they give you OUTSTANDING service, and I'm sure you'd find any excuse you could to say it was less than perfect so you wouldn't have to tip anything you ghetto-welfarecheck-foodstamp-lovin'-I-need-a-cash-advance-until-my-next-paycheck POS.

You don't tip if they give you bad service, not the garbage logic you use. Get a real job, and make enough money to tip someone if you're going to eat at anything that cost of $20 a meal. If not, take your ass around the street to the BK drive through, POS.

[-primetime-]

That might play a role. LOJ said himself he left a 10 dollar tip on a 12 dollar check... That's nothing (check). If black people are wasting their money on the product, that would leave them with less money for tip. Makes sense.
yeah I can see that...

looks at the bill and thinks "DAMN I JUST BLEW MY WHOLE CHECK BUYING DRINKS FOR THESE HOS!!!!...I HAVE NO MONEY LEFT FOR A TIP!!!!"

I could see that being an issue with all races at a young age though...:confusedshrug:

it is easy to rack up a large tap without really knowing it at a club/bar...

[ihatetimthomas]

well when I grew up eating dinner with my family I never really looked at the checked or had any understanding of how much they were supposed to leave behind....the check was hidden for the most part...

I would have to believe this is the same for most children growing up...:confusedshrug:

once you learn that it should be 15% then your upbringing shouldn't matter anyway...you know you should tip 15% even if your mother only tipped 5%...

IDK...I would have to find it hard to believe that (in general) this is anything other than a money issue...


look at NBA stars or African American stars of any sport...once they get some money they start making it rain....Pacman wasn't the first....I grew up watching Irvin and Deion...I am sure they threw money around clubs like it was jack sh*t as well...

If its such a money issue, why eat at places you cannot afford or buy drinks you cannot afford? Its not alwyas a money issue. So whats your reasoning for people to eat a dinner they can't afford? So one decides to go to a nice restaurant, but then decides they are too "poor" to tip? Doesnt make sense man. If it were only money, then eat at a chaper place. I think its a mixture of money and culture

[SHEED_ gangsta]

you mean that in general you tip nothing at all???



wow dude...don't go back to those places...that is an easy way to end up with saliva on your food the next time...


no, unlike you I know alot of people. and 90% of the time I eat at places I've been going for years where I know the cooks, owners, and wiaters there I tip. I don't eat out much anyway I like to make my own food

[SHEED_ gangsta]

If this is your mentality, you shouldn't be allowed to eat in a sit-down restaurant. Your logic is only tip if they give you OUTSTANDING service, and I'm sure you'd find any excuse you could to say it was less than perfect so you wouldn't have to tip anything you ghetto-welfarecheck-foodstamp-lovin'-I-need-a-cash-advance-until-my-next-paycheck POS.

You don't tip if they give you bad service, not the garbage logic you use. Get a real job, and make enough money to tip someone if you're going to eat at anything that cost of $20 a meal. If not, take your ass around the street to the BK drive through, POS.


buddy who the hell do you think you're talking to? I said I RARELY ever eat at places where I don't know the ppl. I do tip probly alot more than your faggpty loser ass and you trying to call me me broke!!!!! LOL!!!! I'll make more in half an hour than you'll make all day

[-primetime-]

If its such a money issue, why eat at places you cannot afford or buy drinks you cannot afford? Its not alwyas a money issue. So whats your reasoning for people to eat a dinner they can't afford? So one decides to go to a nice restaurant, but then decides they are too "poor" to tip? Doesnt make sense man. If it were only money, then eat at a chaper place. I think its a mixture of money and culture
culture = money as far as this topic is concerned

as for why they decide to go in knowing they are going to tip crap....I can't answer that...

SHEED???.....can you answer this question please???

[SHEED_ gangsta]

how the phuck am I supposed to know?

[-primetime-]

no, unlike you I know alot of people. and 90% of the time I eat at places I've been going for years where I know the cooks, owners, and wiaters there I tip. I don't eat out much anyway I like to make my own food
wow...it is the opposite for me...

I tip the ones I know more than the ones I don't...

[-primetime-]

how the phuck am I supposed to know?
your an African American right???

at least tell us your own personal insight to why you would do this???

you said you generally tip nothing...well....WHY????

[e-Thugstylez]

buddy who the hell do you think you're talking to? I said I RARELY ever eat at places where I don't know the ppl. I do tip probly alot more than your faggpty loser ass and you trying to call me me broke!!!!! LOL!!!! I'll make more in half an hour than you'll make all day

:roll:

Buddy??? ... For starters, don't call me "buddy" you POS. Secondly, to think you tip more than me is outlandish and quite moronic considering you just said you don't tip unless you get good service going places where you don't know the people in the restaurant. Lastly, I guarantee I make more money than you in a month than you make in a year.

Bank on that. You POS.

[SHEED_ gangsta]

wow...it is the opposite for me...

I tip the ones I know more than the ones I don't...

wtf that's what I said!!! are you drunk again?

[dnyk1337]

your an African American right???

at least tell us your own personal insight to why you would do this???

you said you generally tip nothing...well....WHY????

Come on man... just say black. Why do people say African American? It's a useless politically correct statement. I sure as hell don't wanna be called Caucasian.

[Rasheed1]

Alot of black folks dont tip because tipping is voluntary... :confusedshrug:

Unless you understand how waitors and other service people get paid, then you wont tip well if at all...

Im wouldnt tip at all if I didnt have some empathy/respect for people who do those jobs...

Other people I know would say "man f*ck that, they already get a check"

its really a form of etiquette

[SHEED_ gangsta]

your an African American right???

at least tell us your own personal insight to why you would do this???

you said you generally tip nothing...well....WHY????


yes becuase each and every black person thinks exactly the same

[-primetime-]

Come on man... just say black.
ok


Why do people say African American? It's a useless politically correct statement. I sure as hell don't wanna be called Caucasian.
although I do agree that it would be a little strange...why would that offened you if someone reffered to you as a Caucasian???

[e-Thugstylez]

Alot of black folks dont tip because tipping is voluntary... :confusedshrug:

Unless you understand how waitors and other service people get paid, then you wont tip well if at all...

Im wouldnt tip at all if I didnt have some empathy/respect for people who do those jobs...

Other people I know would say "man f*ck that, they already get a check"

its really a form of etiquette

Rasheed - I believe you're confusing ignorance (not knowing how the system works) with down right callousness ("I know I should tip, but fu*k it").

Please don't act like "black folk" don't know the difference.

[dnyk1337]

ok


although I do agree that it would be a little strange...why would that offened you if someone reffered to you as a Caucasian???

Doesn't offend me, it's just a stupid word... I like to keep things simple. I'd rather be called white.

[DeuceWallaces]

Well there needs to be an awareness campaign, because on my wage when i worked at Applebee's my check would be 106.00 before taxes for a 40 hour work week.

[-primetime-]

yes becuase each and every black person thinks exactly the same
I asked him for his own PERSONAL reasons for tipping nothing...I never said blacks all think the same and have said the words "in general" numerous times...obviously this is something that happens in more than one city...

or was that you????

how many SHEEDs are there lol ???

[Rasheed1]

I agree with Sheed gangsta that I dont tip for poor service.... never


if you piss me off or give poor service you can forget a tip... I dont pay out money to people who I dont feel have earned it...

I will walk out a store if the people working there are rude.... the world is full of places to spend money and I will find another place if the current one isnt quite up to par

[dnyk1337]

And true story, this woman who gave me a haircut in like 5 minutes once kept talking to the barber next to her and that sh!t pissed me off. Worst haircut I had ever gotten. After she was done, she gave me the receipt (it's a big place so customers get the receipt from haircutter and go pay the desk up front), I just looked at her and said thank you, and just left. No tip whatsoever.

[InspiredLebowski]

Doesn't offend me, it's just a stupid word... I like to keep things simple. I'd rather be called white.

I say us whities start calling each other crackas

[-primetime-]

Doesn't offend me, it's just a stupid word... I like to keep things simple. I'd rather be called white.
oh when you said "I sure as hell wouldn't want to be called..." made me think you would be really offended by it or something...my bad

[LJJ]

Well there needs to be an awareness campaign, because on my wage when i worked at Applebee's my check would be 106.00 before taxes for a 40 hour work week.

Who the hell accepts a wage like that anyway.

[dnyk1337]

I say us whities start calling each other crackas

And get mad when non-whites call us that...

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I say us whities start calling each other crackas
:cheers:

sup my cracka?

let's get our tip on!!!

[e-Thugstylez]

Well there needs to be an awareness campaign, because on my wage when i worked at Applebee's my check would be 106.00 before taxes for a 40 hour work week.

These "black folk" who tip degradingly are fully aware of this. They know those in the profession make most of their bank off tips - that's sheer commonsense if you live in the US. It's more of what Rasheed initially said, it's technically a voluntary item. Problem is, when it's more than expected, the "technical" is thrown out the window.

If you know before hand you're not going to tip, then don't go to a sit-in restaurant. Plain and simple. If you can’t afford or are willing to pay $28.00 versus the simple $23.00 for the food, then don’t eat there.

** Edit - yes, if you get bad service, no tip. That's a no-brainer. Unfortunately, most "black folk" could care less about the service, there'll be little or not tip involved.

[InspiredLebowski]

And get mad when non-whites call us that...

This should end here, would not end well.

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Who the hell accepts a wage like that anyway.
people who make a living off of tips...

[ihatetimthomas]

And true story, this woman who gave me a haircut in like 5 minutes once kept talking to the barber next to her and that sh!t pissed me off. Worst haircut I had ever gotten. After she was done, she gave me the receipt (it's a big place so customers get the receipt from haircutter and go pay the desk up front), I just looked at her and said thank you, and just left. No tip whatsoever.

Well thats understandable. The problem is sometimes people who live off tips come to think it is expected for you to tip, so they give a half assed effort in the hopes they still will get tipped.

[-primetime-]

These "black folk" who tip degradingly are fully aware of this. They know those in the profession make most of their bank of tips - that's sheer commonsense if you live in the US. It's more of what Rasheed initially said, it's technically a voluntary item. Problem is, when it's more than expected, the "technical" is thrown out the window.

If you know before hand you're not going to tip, then don't go to a sit-in restaurant. Plain and simple. If you can’t afford or are willing to pay $28.00 versus the simple $23.00 for the food, then don’t eat there.
so are you a waiter???...did you mention that in the OP???



and if so do you fight with other waiters on who has to serve the black table???

[Rasheed1]

Rasheed - I believe you're confusing ignorance (not knowing how the system works) with down right callousness ("I know I should tip, but fu*k it").

Please don't act like "black folk" don't know the difference.


Alot of black folk dont know sh*t about tippin.For years I didnt know how tippin worked.. and some people still dont care when they find out about how it works...

they figure you should get a new job if the current one dont pay right.....

but then again I know white guys who dont give a damn either... they say cry me a river pal! I got 3 mouths of my own to "TIP"

it is actually about etiquette... If I go out with some women (not girls), they are serious about the tip.. they figure it out and dont wanna be embarassed by people who are cheap..... I dont tip for prestige.. I just tip to show appreciation for the work...

[e-Thugstylez]

so are you a waiter???...did yo mention that in the OP???



and if so do you fight with other waiters on who has to serve the black table???

No, I'm not a waiter... :oldlol:

[ihatetimthomas]

Who the hell accepts a wage like that anyway.

Because in a lot of places, tips up your hourly wage big time, and you make well over minimum

[e-Thugstylez]

they figure you should get a new job if the current one dont pay right.....

Ironically, those who share this mentality are the first ones to bit*h and complain when service doesn't go the way they want it to.

:rolleyes:

That's the flaw. That's the irony. "I'm not going to tip" ... "but by God you're going to give me the best damn service of your life!" ... "yo waiter, can I get a refill please??? Damn!"

[SHEED_ gangsta]

:roll:

Buddy??? ... For starters, don't call me "buddy" you POS. Secondly, to think you tip more than me is outlandish and quite moronic considering you just said you don't tip unless you get good service going places where you don't know the people in the restaurant. Lastly, I guarantee I make more money than you in a month than you make in a year.

Bank on that. You POS.


lol whatever I don't even know what a POS is must be some nerd lingo. I doubt you make more dough than me but I could care less. all I know is you're some lil **** that can talk smack on a computer but if me and you were face to face you would'nt even look at me wrong cuz I'd smack the **** out of your pale nerdy ass.

I've given ma peeps up to 200 dollar tips I gave my barber a 50 dollar bill the other day and a homeless woman from the area 100 dollars on cristmas day. I take care of my peoples not some random person that probly wants to spit in my food that I'll never see agian, that's the point I was trying to make

you're an ignorant retard that probly lives in a trailer park judging the way you see things keep on E thuggin..........*******

[DeuceWallaces]

Well I wish I knew ahead of time people who don't tip, because I wouldn't serve them. It's beyond etiquette, it's a social contract.

[ihatetimthomas]

Anyone know the origin of tipping and how it started? I wish restaurant owners would just be willing to pay their waiters/waitresses decent pay so tipping didnt have to exist at all. Maybe it was a incentive mechanism to keep workers to keep up the good service, or maybe they were just plain cheap

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lol whatever I don't even know what a POS is must be some nerd lingo. I doubt you make more dough than me but I could care less. all I know is you're some lil **** that can talk smack on a computer but if me and you were face to face you would'nt even look at me wrong cuz I'd smack the **** out of your pale nerdy ass.

I've given ma peeps up to 200 dollar tips I gave my barber a 50 dollar bill the other day and a homeless woman from the area 100 dollars on cristmas day. I take care of my peoples not some random person that probly wants to spit in my food that I'll never see agian, that's the point I was trying to make

you're an ignorant retard that probly lives in a trailer park judging the way you see things keep on E thuggin..........*******
you are giving me the impression that you don't tip waiters due to the fact they are white...

hmm...please don't make me take back my "it is all money comment" and exchange it with "they are racist"....


I can sense this thread is starting to cross the line of deletion...

[SHEED_ gangsta]

you are giving me the impression that you don't tip waiters due to the fact they are white...

hmm...please don't make me take back my "it is all money comment" and exchange it with "they are racist"....


I can sense this thread is starting to cross the line of deletion...

naw man I come from Toronto. this is'nt Texas I know ppl of every colour and shape

[InspiredLebowski]

Wow, wikipedia has a massive article on tipping

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping

[e-Thugstylez]

You'd smack me?

:roll:

Please, you've never seen me before kid. I've seen your pic. All of a sudden the "pale nerdy ass" you were referring to would have you on the floor missing a few teeth.

You gave your barber a $50 tip? OK, that's even more moronic than you not tipping at a sit-in restaurant. You "take care of your peoples" - what a crock of BS.

I don't live in a trailer park either. I'm guessing you're what, 17? Keep trying young grasshopper, and maybe one day you'll realize having debates on the 'net over how much you bank is a path you shouldn't go down. I'm just guessing here, but sounds like you really do live in the quote on quote "ghetto" ...

Am I right? Guess I should be jealous!

:rolleyes:

[DeuceWallaces]

Anyone know the origin of tipping and how it started? I wish restaurant owners would just be willing to pay their waiters/waitresses decent pay so tipping didnt have to exist at all. Maybe it was a incentive mechanism to keep workers to keep up the good service, or maybe they were just plain cheap

I think tipping is good for everyone. Lots of people hate their service now, imagine if the waiter wasn't on their best behavior throughout the meal and his or her performance didn't dictate their wage.

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naw man I come from Toronto. this is'nt Texas I know ppl of every colour and shape
honestly I would expect there to be less blacks in Canada than Texas...:confusedshrug:

Dallas is a huge melting pot as well....



btw, POS = piece of shit

[ihatetimthomas]

I think tipping is good for everyone. Lots of people hate their service now, imagine if the waiter wasn't on their best behavior throughout the meal and his or her performance didn't dictate their wage.

Yea i can understand that, but what about places that dont have tips like in other countries? Does their service drop that much? I dont think so. It just seems like in the U.S. people need incentive to do a good job when in all honesty, if you are getitng paid, you should do a decent job.

[e-Thugstylez]

I think tipping is good for everyone. Lots of people hate their service now, imagine if the waiter wasn't on their best behavior throughout the meal and his or her performance didn't dictate their wage.

Exactly... you work hard, you get paid well. That's the nature of the restaurant business here in the states. When you walk in that restaurant, you expect good service. When you get it, pay for it. Like Deuce said, it's a social contract you're fully aware before going to that restaurant.

If all waiters and waitresses were paid the same, it's be communism. The system is designed to let the best waiters / waitresses get paid the most, and not equally (unless you work at one of those local smaller restaurants where they’re all paid equally dividing the tips, which I don’t agree with).

The bottom line is, people like SHEED and others who share his flawed mentality are the reason why so many people in the restaurant business hate their jobs. No one’s dream job is to waitress all their lives, but understand when you go to a sit-in restaurant, you’re expected to pay extra for the waiting service. It’s not an option, and if you think it is you’re just a cheap ass-hole who shouldn’t eat there, period.

Ironically enough, next time SHEED eats out, he’ll be like “fu*k it, that dude on ISH told me I should tip more, shiiiiiiit I’m gonna say fu*k just cause of that bullsh*t, no tip for this bit*h!”

:roll:

[SHEED_ gangsta]

You'd smack me?

:roll:

Please, you've never seen me before kid. I've seen your pic. All of a sudden the "pale nerdy ass" you were referring to would have you on the floor missing a few teeth.

You gave your barber a $50 tip? OK, that's even more moronic than you not tipping at a sit-in restaurant. You "take care of your peoples" - what a crock of BS.

I don't live in a trailer park either. I'm guessing you're what, 17? Keep trying young grasshopper, and maybe one day you'll realize having debates on the 'net over how much you bank is a path you shouldn't go down. I'm just guessing here, but sounds like you really do live in the quote on quote "ghetto" ...

Am I right? Guess I should be jealous!

:rolleyes:


you've never posted a pic why? probly cuz you mad ugly or just whack as hell. never in your dreams would you come close to putting me on the floor you live in an internet fantasy land. I'm not even gonna do this back and forth pissing contest ****, you already lost with the thinking that "all black ppl don't tip" that right there shows me you're imature,really stupid and probly don't have alot of friends. you're not on my level.


peace

[e-Thugstylez]

you've never posted a pic why? probly cuz you mad ugly or just whack as hell. never in your dreams would you come close to putting me on the floor you live in an internet fantasy land. I'm not even gonna do this back and forth pissing contest ****, you already lost with the thinking that "all black ppl don't tip" that right there shows me you're imature,really stupid and probly don't have alot of friends. you're not on my level.


peace

:sleeping

Please, wake me up when I'm on your level so I'll know to take the trash out and put myself in it.

[DeuceWallaces]

Yea i can understand that, but what about places that dont have tips like in other countries? Does their service drop that much? I dont think so. It just seems like in the U.S. people need incentive to do a good job when in all honesty, if you are getitng paid, you should do a decent job.

That's true, but I imagine America has way more mid-level to upper-mid, commerical restaurants like Applebees, Macaroni Grill, Friday, Cabrera's, Johny Carinos, etc. where this applies. Lots of fine dining servers make a decent hourly wage because of slow table times and you can't get away without tipping.

The commerical american restaurant is a different experience. It is not easy, and the stress can be unbearable at times trying to rock 5-6 tables at once. Servers just wouldn't do it, and won't perform unless you're getting good tips.

At Applebee's my guest check average was like 38 minutes and 16.00 per person. Wed-Sat I could get between 1,200-1,700 dollars in sales. That's a lot of work, and a lot of being bossed around, and a lot of *****ing in your direction as I take the fall for the hosts making them wait, the cooks screwing up their food, the bartender making piss-poor drinks....

My average was 17.25% tip, which made it all worth while. For 9.00 dollars/hour flat wage? I dont' think so.

[InspiredLebowski]

Did you have to pool your tips Deuce? I'd hate that.

[e-Thugstylez]

That's true, but I imagine America has way more mid-level to upper-mid, commerical restaurants like Applebees, Macaroni Grill, Friday, Cabrera's, Johny Carinos, etc. where this applies. Lots of fine dining servers make a decent hourly wage because of slow table times and you can't get away without tipping.

The commerical american restaurant is a different experience. It is not easy, and the stress can be unbearable at times trying to rock 5-6 tables at once. Servers just wouldn't do it, and won't perform unless you're getting good tips.

At Applebee's my guest check average was like 38 minutes and 16.00 per person. Wed-Sat I could get between 1,200-1,700 dollars in sales. That's a lot of work, and a lot of being bossed around, and a lot of *****ing in your direction as I take the fall for the hosts making them wait, the cooks screwing up their food, the bartender making piss-poor drinks....

My average was 17.25% tip, which made it all worth while. For 9.00 dollars/hour flat wage? I dont' think so.

You also have to think, in many European countries, most restaurants are "family owned" and therefore the incentive to do well is unconditional. In the states, the philosophy is entirely different. Everything here is about capital gain, and that includes the restaurant business.

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you already lost with the thinking that "all black ppl don't tip" that right there shows me you're imature,really stupid and probly don't have alot of friends.
I don't want to fight with you SHEED...but obviously this is something that is known nation wide...

I have heard it from many waitresses...and I have always just attributed it to the fact that in general blacks don't have as much money to throw around as whites do...it may be a steriotype but "IN GENERAL" it seems to be on par...(again, I know all blacks don't think alike)

and the fact that came forward and admitted that you tip nothing except to "your own people" only helps show there is alot of truth behind it (forgive me if that was the other SHEED)...and to be honest I find it pretty low...you should be curtious to others, esp. those that are dealing with YOUR FOOD...

[Lil Bibby]

you've never posted a pic why? probly cuz you mad ugly or just whack as hell. never in your dreams would you come close to putting me on the floor you live in an internet fantasy land. I'm not even gonna do this back and forth pissing contest ****, you already lost with the thinking that "all black ppl don't tip" that right there shows me you're imature,really stupid and probly don't have alot of friends. you're not on my level.


peace


I haven't read through this thread yet, but let me ask you this SHEED.

Do you think black people complain about not being able to get a cab in NY is the result of racsisim, or the result from a stereotype that black people don't tip? Or maybe a combination of both?

To suggest the stereotype doesn't atleast exsist is wrong.




I used to work at a Hotel, and I found that British people aren't the best of tippers... And I'm not alone on this theory from what I've heard from other people at the Hotel.

[DeuceWallaces]

Did you have to pool your tips Deuce? I'd hate that.

No, I had to tip out the bartender that's it. Usually 10-15% of my bar sales if they were doing their job right. I also tipped the host to send me more tables, and tell people we're not hiring when they asked for server applications, because Applebee's would try to hire so many damn servers so each person only had 3 tables on busy nights, because most people can't handle the job.

[DeuceWallaces]

You also have to think, in many European countries, most restaurants are "family owned" and therefore the incentive to do well is unconditional. In the states, the philosophy is entirely different. Everything here is about capital gain, and that includes the restaurant business.

Yeah that would make a big difference. Not gonna let my mom and dad down, but I wouldn't give a **** about Applebee's INC. if I was working for hourly wages.

[-primetime-]

I used to work at a Hotel, and I found that British people aren't the best of tippers... And I'm not alone on this theory from what I've heard from other people at the Hotel.
tipping is not part of british culture though right???

or am I wrong here???

[e-Thugstylez]

LOL @ the whole "I take care of my peoples" garbage. If you travel out of town, and you want some Applebee's, you're not going to know a single soul in that restaurant, but it's expected you tip for your services unless they're bad, which in that case, don't tip. Don't take the "I better get flawless service else there's no tip" mentality. That's not how it works. Like I said before, the BK drive through is around the corner and up the street.

_____

Thanks to those 3 posters who repped me on my original post.

[Kebab Stall]

tipping is not part of british culture though right???

or am I wrong here???
Correct. Tipping is not a part of our culture. Though, there's nothing saying you shouldn't tip, but you certainly won't be looked down upon if you don't tip. If you come to England and expect tips, then you're going to be in for a rude awakening.

[-primetime-]

LOL @ the whole "I take care of my peoples" garbage. If you travel out of town, and you want some Applebee's, you're not going to know a single soul in that restaurant, but it's expected you tip for your services unless they're bad, which in that case, don't tip. Don't take the "I better get flawless service else there's no tip" mentality. That's not how it works. Like I said before, the BK drive through is around the corner and up the street.

_____

Thanks to those 3 posters who repped me on my original post.

when he said "my peoples" I thought he ment black people in general...

as in he only tips black people...that is why I said that I didn't want to have to take back my theory that "it is a money issue" and and exchange "it with it is a raceist issue"...

[-primetime-]

Correct. Tipping is not a part of our culture. Though, there's nothing saying you shouldn't tip, but you certainly won't be looked down upon if you don't tip. If you come to England and expect tips, then you're going to be in for a rude awakening.
hmm...

well there you go Dooms...that explains it

they just aren't familiar with the concept...

[e-Thugstylez]

when he said "my peoples" I thought he ment black people in general...

as in he only tips black people...that is why I said that I didn't want to have to take back my theory that "it is a money issue" and and exchange "it with it is a raceist issue"...

Well, you could be right. His weak e-smack calling me "pale" was probably a hint he is racist. Well, ignorance and racism come hand in hand, so I guess that's not too far from his intentions.

[JayGuevara]

I've worked in a fairly "upscale" restaurant in the suburbs for the past couple years, so let me fill you good folks in on a few things.

Servers make 2.65 an hour (at least here), and generally speaking, all of the money that would go on a check is taken out for taxes. When I used to wait tables all the time I would get void checks damn near every week, even if I worked 50 hours. So usually, servers live or die on their tips. Some restaurants have changed over to a system where if your tips/hourly doesn't add up to minimum wage, they cover the rest so you can never make less than minimum wage, but those are far and few in between.

Now, as for the stereotype that black folks tip ****ty, that's simply not true. You cannot lump everyone into the same category. It all depends on the person. Same with young kids, old people, etc etc. In my experience, the cheapest tippers to me seem to be old rich white people. But that doesn't mean all of them are cheap, nor even the majority of them are.

For instance, I have waited on a table of four people before, all middle aged white folks, three men and one woman, and one of the men happened to be a priest/minister/something. Their bill was 105 dollars, and they left me 110 and said keep the change, complete with a smile. I've also had a table of all high school kids that had a 95 dollar bill and left me 120. And I've also had a table of three black folks that had a 100 dollar bill and left me 130. All of em had comparable bills and service, and they all left different tips. And the two with the negative stereotype's about em were way off, and the nicely dressed middle aged white folks and their priest were the cheapest.

Also, I'm 20 year old hispanic from the city of Detroit, and I assume that when I walk into a restaurant I get the same "****, I'm not gettin a tip" attitude from servers as when black folks walk in too, but I never tip less than 20%, and last week I was at a restaurant with my buddy and our poor waitress had some *******s in her section and was busy as hell, so we didn't get the best service, but I left her 20 dollars on a 28 dollar bill. It all depends on the person. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

[e-Thugstylez]

I've worked in a fairly "upscale" restaurant in the suburbs for the past couple years, so let me fill you good folks in on a few things.

Servers make 2.65 an hour (at least here), and generally speaking, all of the money that would go on a check is taken out for taxes. When I used to wait tables all the time I would get void checks damn near every week, even if I worked 50 hours. So usually, servers live or die on their tips. Some restaurants have changed over to a system where if your tips/hourly doesn't add up to minimum wage, they cover the rest so you can never make less than minimum wage, but those are far and few in between.

Now, as for the stereotype that black folks tip ****ty, that's simply not true. You cannot lump everyone into the same category. It all depends on the person. Same with young kids, old people, etc etc. In my experience, the cheapest tippers to me seem to be old rich white people. But that doesn't mean all of them are cheap, nor even the majority of them are.

For instance, I have waited on a table of four people before, all middle aged white folks, three men and one woman, and one of the men happened to be a priest/minister/something. Their bill was 105 dollars, and they left me 110 and said keep the change, complete with a smile. I've also had a table of all high school kids that had a 95 dollar bill and left me 120. And I've also had a table of three black folks that had a 100 dollar bill and left me 130. All of em had comparable bills and service, and they all left different tips. And the two with the negative stereotype's about em were way off, and the nicely dressed middle aged white folks and their priest were the cheapest.

Also, I'm 20 year old hispanic from the city of Detroit, and I assume that when I walk into a restaurant I get the same "****, I'm not gettin a tip" attitude from servers as when black folks walk in too, but I never tip less than 20%, and last week I was at a restaurant with my buddy and our poor waitress had some *******s in her section and was busy as hell, so we didn't get the best service, but I left her 20 dollars on a 28 dollar bill. It all depends on the person. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Fair enough, but tell me on average when speaking about "race" which race based on your experience looking at this on average tips the worst?

I'd love to see the answer. I never said all blacks tip bad. I clearly said in my OP not everyone is the same, but that I was speaking from an averagely sense.

So drum roll please

[Lil Bibby]

hmm...

well there you go Dooms...that explains it

they just aren't familiar with the concept...


Well... when I worked at the hotel... many British people became very familiar of what 'bad service' really is.

sucks for both of us I guess.

And I'm Bibby... who is Dooms?

[-primetime-]

Now, as for the stereotype that black folks tip ****ty, that's simply not true. You cannot lump everyone into the same category. It all depends on the person. Same with young kids, old people, etc etc. In my experience, the cheapest tippers to me seem to be old rich white people. But that doesn't mean all of them are cheap, nor even the majority of them are.


dude it is true....(IN GENERAL...NOT ALL OF THEM)

I have heard this from countless watresses from many different restaurants....they make it sound as though it is damn near a known fact in the the restaurant industry...

there are just too many people to claim this for it to be just a coincedence....I have heard it from dancers at strip clubs as well...and the waitresses there...

I am pretty sure I have even heard a black comedian make fun of the fact of deff comedy or something...



I have always attributed this to the simple fact that blacks have less money than whites thus they tip less....makes sense and seems simple to understand...but after reading SHEED's crap it has me thinking that some white waiters aren't getting tipped because they are white....and I hope that is wrong...

[ihatetimthomas]

I've worked in a fairly "upscale" restaurant in the suburbs for the past couple years, so let me fill you good folks in on a few things.

Servers make 2.65 an hour (at least here), and generally speaking, all of the money that would go on a check is taken out for taxes. When I used to wait tables all the time I would get void checks damn near every week, even if I worked 50 hours. So usually, servers live or die on their tips. Some restaurants have changed over to a system where if your tips/hourly doesn't add up to minimum wage, they cover the rest so you can never make less than minimum wage, but those are far and few in between.

Now, as for the stereotype that black folks tip ****ty, that's simply not true. You cannot lump everyone into the same category. It all depends on the person. Same with young kids, old people, etc etc. In my experience, the cheapest tippers to me seem to be old rich white people. But that doesn't mean all of them are cheap, nor even the majority of them are.

For instance, I have waited on a table of four people before, all middle aged white folks, three men and one woman, and one of the men happened to be a priest/minister/something. Their bill was 105 dollars, and they left me 110 and said keep the change, complete with a smile. I've also had a table of all high school kids that had a 95 dollar bill and left me 120. And I've also had a table of three black folks that had a 100 dollar bill and left me 130. All of em had comparable bills and service, and they all left different tips. And the two with the negative stereotype's about em were way off, and the nicely dressed middle aged white folks and their priest were the cheapest.

Also, I'm 20 year old hispanic from the city of Detroit, and I assume that when I walk into a restaurant I get the same "****, I'm not gettin a tip" attitude from servers as when black folks walk in too, but I never tip less than 20%, and last week I was at a restaurant with my buddy and our poor waitress had some *******s in her section and was busy as hell, so we didn't get the best service, but I left her 20 dollars on a 28 dollar bill. It all depends on the person. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Can you give an rough estimate on the percentage of white/black/hispanic/asians that usually came to the restaurant?

[e-Thugstylez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53lChuKjo8

African American waiter telling it like it is to his own "peoples" ... LOL

[JayGuevara]

Fair enough, but tell me on average when speaking about "race" which race based on your experience looking at this on average tips the worst?

I'd love to see the answer. I never said all blacks tip bad. I clearly said in my OP not everyone is the same, but that I was speaking from an averagely sense.

So drum roll please…………. which race tips the worst?


Well, based upon my experience, I'd say whom I've received the worst tips from are, white people.

But, you have to take all the variables into perspective also. First of all, the restaurant where I work is in a upper class suburb, and has a high population of "old money", a lot of older folks, mostly white, a lot of Jewish heritage around. Those all play a factor. For one, it would seem as if there's a lot of old people that are cheap, possibly because of the "Back in my day gas was 12 cents a gallon" speeches and how the cost of living was much different today from their heyday. Also, another stereotype is Jewish people are cheap themselves, I dunno how true that is, but it's possible some are. And as I previously mentioned, I'm a young minority from the slums out in their city, so it's even possible that some of em may have underlying resentment or racism for that. And, in my experience, most European people I have came encountered have been white, and they don't have the whole 15-20% thing there, because I think their servers actually make real wages. Lastly, just the majority of people I deal with at my work are white, so that gives a lot more chances for ****ty tips, and good ones also.

All of those things, amongst others, could play a role in why I have had the least amount of luck with white people.

Moral of the story is, with the economy the way it is, the restaurant industry is hurtin, because less and less people are willing to go out and spend money on gas (which is currently 4.20 a gallon here), then spend money on dinner, and then tip their servers on top of it. Regardless of their race. Our establishment has a dedicated client

[e-Thugstylez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pi-9LBtxs&feature=related

OMG - :roll:

The irony is killing me!

[-primetime-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53lChuKjo8

African American waiter telling it like it is to his own "peoples" ... LOL
after watching that...


how can anyone argue this...


Jay...you are wrong....sorry

[-primetime-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pi-9LBtxs&feature=related

OMG - :roll:

The irony is killing me!
wow...

after watching that it makes me think that they are just plain ignorant and clueless as to how the system works....obviously she doesn't speak for the entire black community but I have a feeling there are thousands of black women out there with the same attidude....


if I was a waiter there, and she came EVER DARED to show her face in that place again....her meal would have a very decent sample of my urine in it...that is all I have to say...

don't ever f*ck with people who serve your food...

[e-Thugstylez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMGd436oP8&feature=related

Good video...

[ihatetimthomas]

[QUOTE=JayGuevara]Well, based upon my experience, I'd say whom I've received the worst tips from are, white people.

But, you have to take all the variables into perspective also. First of all, the restaurant where I work is in a upper class suburb, and has a high population of "old money", a lot of older folks, mostly white, a lot of Jewish heritage around. Those all play a factor. For one, it would seem as if there's a lot of old people that are cheap, possibly because of the "Back in my day gas was 12 cents a gallon" speeches and how the cost of living was much different today from their heyday. Also, another stereotype is Jewish people are cheap themselves, I dunno how true that is, but it's possible some are. And as I previously mentioned, I'm a young minority from the slums out in their city, so it's even possible that some of em may have underlying resentment or racism for that. And, in my experience, most European people I have came encountered have been white, and they don't have the whole 15-20% thing there, because I think their servers actually make real wages. Lastly, just the majority of people I deal with at my work are white, so that gives a lot more chances for ****ty tips, and good ones also.

All of those things, amongst others, could play a role in why I have had the least amount of luck with white people.

Moral of the story is, with the economy the way it is, the restaurant industry is hurtin, because less and less people are willing to go out and spend money on gas (which is currently 4.20 a gallon here), then spend money on dinner, and then tip their servers on top of it. Regardless of their race. Our establishment has a dedicated client

[e-Thugstylez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyKC6-_y9kk&feature=related

:roll:

[JayGuevara]

after watching that...


how can anyone argue this...


Jay...you are wrong....sorry


Niiggas on youtube with video blogs do not disprove anything I say, nor would they prove anything I say. Youtube is not an infallible source for the facts of life.

[e-Thugstylez]

Niiggas on youtube with video blogs do not disprove anything I say, nor would they prove anything I say. Youtube is not an infallible source for the facts of life.

Dude, get your head out of your ass.

[SCY]

That woman is so damn stupid, if you can't afford a tip for filet mignon, don't fuking order it.

[e-Thugstylez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBg8OKSw4UQ&feature=related

[pete's montreux]

I tip 20% about 95% of the time. I can only think of two occasions where I tipped more or less. Even if the service is subpar, you have to take in your surroundings. You need to look at how many tables your server is dealing with, how busy she is with those tables, what day it is, what time of day it is, are people sending stuff back, and do other customers look satisfied.

I realize not everyone goes this far, but both my siblings are watiers, and I know they rely heavily on thier tips. I take in all what I just listed and I try to make a intelligent decision about how I'm going to tip.

The one occasion where I tipped less than 20% was two years ago at an Outback Steakhouse in Medford, MA. It was a weeknight, and it was probably around 9PM, so it wasn't very busy, at all. There were probably between 7-12 tables being used, and the bar wasn't very busy either. Our waitress was very courteous, there was no problem with her personally, it was the food. My girlfriend ordered a plate of chicken, broccoli and ziti, and I ordered some smothered steak tips. It took 45 minutes for the food to come out, and when we got it, it was cold. I believe our waitress had only one other table being used in her section, so I wasn't totally sure if she had forgotten the food, or what the hell was going on, because it was cold, so someone obviously had prepared it, cooked it, and forgot about it.

We left her 10%.

The one occasion where I tipped more than 20% was at a Chili's in Boston, MA. I was with two other friends, and it was a few weeks after Christmas, and we were all still in high school. We all had recieved cash for the holidays, so we were in a spending mood. Our waiter was the coolest guy on the planet. The place was packed, and our watier was a ****ing all-star. We got everything on time, never had to wait long for anything, no mistakes. We were joking around with him, having a great time. He kept bringing us pitchers of soda, and not charging us for it. The food was perfect, too. The bill came to around $35, and we left him a $100 dollar tip. The one time we wanted him to come to the table, he must've been busy in the back or something, because we wanted to give it to him personally and to let him know he was the coolest waiter on the planet. We got impatient and took off. I would've loved to see the guys face when he got that tip.

I'm sad to say I haven't had a waiter like that since. They're all just 'satisfactory' now.

[JayGuevara]

So your situation does not involve as many other minorities correct? So i guess black people not tipping much is not an issue yo usually face.

All races tip bad. Its not just black people. Just from what I have heard from my peers (I have never been a waiter) that at mid level places, black people were generally the worst tippers. Maybe it was just the restaurant they were at. But I hve multiple people ewho have told me this

The majority of the customers are white yes, but there's a good percentage of black folks and asians. Few hispanics though.

But that's just at the current place I work at, I worked at a Mexican restaurant in Southwest Detroit before, and still got ****ty tips from white people (and a lot of nervous glances and questions about the parking lot security) and got ****ty tips from "my own people" (cuz Southwest Detroit is predominantly Hispanic)

It doesn't matter what color they are, as a server you never know what kinda tip you're gonna get until you get it. Unless of course it's a regular customer that comes in a couple times a week or whatever.

[-primetime-]

Niiggas on youtube with video blogs do not disprove anything I say, nor would they prove anything I say. Youtube is not an infallible source for the facts of life.
this is a video of a BLACK GUY calling out his own race...

sorry Jay, but how could you possibly think it is all just a coincedence or something after watching that...then the video of the black chick saying she shouldn't have to tip sh*t....and on top of it all...A BLACK DUDE IN THIS VERY THREAD SAYING HE NEVER TIPS!!!!!!

give it up...in general black people do not tip very well




and again I am still sticking to my theory that it is just a lack of money issue (for the most part, not all)...I doubt anyone has ever had a problem with Jordan or Tiger or Denzel or (insert rich black person here) tipping them bad...

[InspiredLebowski]

and again I am still sticking to my theory that it is just a lack of money issue (for the most part, not all)...I doubt anyone has ever had a problem with Jordan or Tiger or Denzel or (insert rich black person here) tipping them bad...

LeBron and Roy Williams (Lions) are notoriously horrible tippers

[Lil Bibby]

The one occasion where I tipped more than 20% was at a Chili's in Boston, MA. I was with two other friends, and it was a few weeks after Christmas, and we were all still in high school. We all had recieved cash for the holidays, so we were in a spending mood. Our waiter was the coolest guy on the planet. The place was packed, and our watier was a ****ing all-star. We got everything on time, never had to wait long for anything, no mistakes. We were joking around with him, having a great time. He kept bringing us pitchers of soda, and not charging us for it. The food was perfect, too. The bill came to around $35, and we left him a $100 dollar tip. The one time we wanted him to come to the table, he must've been busy in the back or something, because we wanted to give it to him personally and to let him know he was the coolest waiter on the planet. We got impatient and took off. I would've loved to see the guys face when he got that tip.

I'm sad to say I haven't had a waiter like that since. They're all just 'satisfactory' now.

Jesus Christ... Did he give you a blow job under the table or something? I might give a chick higher than 20%.... but I don't see how a guy a Chili's can be cool enough to get rewarded a $100 tip in that short amount of time, unless he did the himleck manuever on me to save me from choking.

:wtf:

[Lil Bibby]

LeBron and Roy Williams (Lions) are notoriously horrible tippers

I've heard about Roy Williams and the pizza man. that is true... but not Lebron.

[Rasheed1]

and again I am still sticking to my theory that it is just a lack of money issue (for the most part, not all)...I doubt anyone has ever had a problem with Jordan or Tiger or Denzel or (insert rich black person here) tipping them bad...



primetime do us all a favor and STFU.. please!

just because people have alot of money doesnt mean they like to throw it around...

Rich people are stingy too.....

Not tippin has nothing to do with race or gender. Its unbelievable how small minded you are....

stop playing yourself... Some people regardless of how much they have will tip, you know why? because they understand how it works and they feel the need to do it....

other wont because they dont know or they simply dont care... Its that simple..

[InspiredLebowski]

I've heard about Roy Williams and the pizza man. that is true... but not Lebron.

http://bumpshack.com/2008/05/08/bad-tipper-lebron-james-tips-125-on-800-tab/

$800 bill, $10 tip. 1.25%

[MarloStanfield]

I worked at an upscale restaurant off and on for something like 6 years. I never had a table not leave me something (fortunately) but I did notice that blacks didn't tip all that well in general. The worst tippers however were Russians. I never really took the time to research why or inquire further than discussing bad tips with fellow but staff but it was horrible. They were all rude too and ran up really high bar tabs and tipped really poorly. Basically there's always going to be bad tippers but thinking about it too much will just give you a headache. Just tip well and don't worry about what other people are doing. Hopefully it will catch on.

[InspiredLebowski]

Now that I think about it, I should stop leaving generous tips at Hooters when my waitress has a run in her pantyhose. That's a pet peeve.

[-primetime-]

http://bumpshack.com/2008/05/08/bad-tipper-lebron-james-tips-125-on-800-tab/

$800 bill, $10 tip. 1.25%
I am sure Roy and Lebron are rare exceptions

[pete's montreux]

Jesus Christ... Did he give you a blow job under the table or something? I might give a chick higher than 20%.... but I don't see how a guy a Chili's can be cool enough to get rewarded a $100 tip in that short amount of time, unless he did the himleck manuever on me to save me from choking.

:wtf:

As a matter of fact, he did. No teeth, surprisingly.

[-primetime-]

primetime do us all a favor and STFU.. please!

just because people have alot of money doesnt mean they like to throw it around...

Rich people are stingy too.....

Not tippin has nothing to do with race or gender. Its unbelievable how small minded you are....

stop playing yourself... Some people regardless of how much they have will tip, you know why? because they understand how it works and they feel the need to do it....

other wont because they dont know or they simply dont care... Its that simple..

you and Jay are the only ones in here saying WE are wrong...

I have said "IN ****ING GENERAL" 100 times....

obviously there are whites that tip like crap and blacks that tip well...




but you are wrong....how many videos and people coming in here to admitt it do you need to understand that there is a race issue here???

funny how out of all the people here saying things you attack me....

why not attack the OP....he started this, not me...get off my nuts already.

[-primetime-]

I worked at an upscale restaurant off and on for something like 6 years. I never had a table not leave me something (fortunately) but I did notice that blacks didn't tip all that well in general. The worst tippers however were Russians. I never really took the time to research why or inquire further than discussing bad tips with fellow but staff but it was horrible. They were all rude too and ran up really high bar tabs and tipped really poorly. Basically there's always going to be bad tippers but thinking about it too much will just give you a headache. Just tip well and don't worry about what other people are doing. Hopefully it will catch on.
I will guess that it is the same problem that British people have...they don't tip in thier country/culture for the most part so they are not used to it...

[InspiredLebowski]

I am sure Roy and Lebron are rare exceptions

Just showing people have had problems with rich black guys tipping.

[MarloStanfield]

I will guess that it is the same problem that British people have...they don't tip in thier country/culture for the most part so they are not used to it...
You'd think but that wasn't the case. I had plenty of British patrons that tipped well. It was seriously Russians who were far and away just horrible tippers.

[InspiredLebowski]

This thread reminds me of a commercial from last year or so with a waitress that gets a table full of Germans (?) that speak fluent English, but when she's around they act like they don't know a word of it. They give her a hard time, then ends with talking about how mad she'll be when they don't tip her.

[smith]

I'm not a tipping type of guy. Well I don't live in the States either...but I usually give a tip when I get a good haircut, 25% seems good.

Why in hells name would I give a normal tip too a waitress if 90 % of the bill is wine alone ?

[-primetime-]

Just showing people have had problems with rich black guys tipping.
be honest...

do you believe that Lebron is like that every time he eats out?

[ihatetimthomas]

I'm not a tipping type of guy. Well I don't live in the States either...but I usually give a tip when I get a good haircut, 25% seems good.

Why in hells name would I give a normal tip too a waitress if 90 % of the bill is wine alone ?

Its just the norm of living in the states and anyone wouldnt really understand or feel the need to tip unless you lived here

[InspiredLebowski]

be honest...

do you believe that Lebron is like that every time he eats out?
I doubt that cheap. But in general, since you're so fond of that phrase, not an adequate tipper, under 10%. If he was a generous tipper, why would this one time he stiff the guy? Next time I talk to him I'll ask.

[paperstreet]

15% even if the service sucked. These people are trying to make a living.

I'll go as high as 24% if the service was great.

Everyone should watch the movie "Waiting".... see what happens when you piss off the staff.

[brwnman]

I just give whatever change I have. I am really not too worried about the tip. Doesn't bother me...

[bigkingsfan]

My friends and I once used a restaurant's fight for distraction and made a run for it, best tip ever.

[-primetime-]

I'm not a tipping type of guy. Well I don't live in the States either...but I usually give a tip when I get a good haircut, 25% seems good.

Why in hells name would I give a normal tip too a waitress if 90 % of the bill is wine alone ?
hey man...

I tip a bartender a dollar just for opening a damn bottle of beer for me...

by doing so it insures that he takes care of me....he is constantly looking to see if am ready for another....I never have to hunt him down, he hunts me down...

also I am fully aware of the fact that all thier money comes from tips...

[final.wrath]

What the hell is it with Americans and tipping?

in america wages are based on tips for waiters so they only get 2.95 an hour and whatever they make in tips. thats whats up with americans and tipping.

[-primetime-]

in america wages are based on tips for waiters so they only get 2.95 an hour and whatever they make in tips. thats whats up with americans and tipping.
it is an attempt to get the workers to actually work hard...

if they always got paid the same no matter what they would work like crap...

[ihatetimthomas]

it is an attempt to get the workers to actually work hard...

if they always got paid the same no matter what they would work like crap...

The real reason is that its cheaper for the business owners

[-primetime-]

The real reason is that its cheaper for the business owners
by that theory, they would just raise the price of the meal and pay thier employees an actual salary....making the price/cost the same for them...

also the same price for the customer, because although the price of the meal is higher now, they don't have to tip anything....making it the same...

so I would say it is more of an attempt to get the employees to work harder...




in theory that is...it is probably a mix of both but regardless it has become the standard in this country now...

[Lil Bibby]

so I would say it is more of an attempt to get the employees to work harder...


Good point.

[wTFaMonkey]

by that theory, they would just raise the price of the meal and pay thier employees an actual salary....making the price/cost the same for them...




i disagree

if you raise the price. no one would come to eat.

remember tipping is optional. so it would actually hurt the business owners

[DieHardBullsFan]

I can't keep this "tongue-in-cheek" anymore. Believe me I know, this is going to come across as brute and politically incorrect, but I need to see if anyone else has noticed the same thing. I'm talking about African Americans being the most god-awful tippers in the world

umm thats a stereotype:no:

[DieHardBullsFan]

15% even if the service sucked. These people are trying to make a living.

I'll go as high as 24% if the service was great.

Everyone should watch the movie "Waiting".... see what happens when you piss off the staff.

if the service blows....I dont tip!.....people should be professional about there job...even if its waiting or flipping burgers.....

I hate when people have attitudes at places and turn around and wonder why they didnt give you a tip....you should of been nicer and waited on the customer....dont hate them because you cant find a better job or you didnt care about school....thus your at the job you dont wont and your taking it out on customers...

alright im done....lol

[-primetime-]

i disagree

if you raise the price. no one would come to eat.

remember tipping is optional. so it would actually hurt the business owners
again...

the price would be the exact same for the costumer due to the fact they don't have to tip....only black people look at tipping as optional.

(joke....kinda...:D )


I said it is probably a mix of both but now it doesn't matter what the reason it is due to the fact that it has become the norm here...every resturant here does it just like every resturant in England doesn't...

[e-Thugstylez]

umm thats a stereotype:no:

Are you upset I'm point out a fact or just pointing out I'm being stereotypical?

The truth isn

[BrooklynZoo]

yeah I can see that...

looks at the bill and thinks "DAMN I JUST BLEW MY WHOLE CHECK BUYING DRINKS FOR THESE HOS!!!!...I HAVE NO MONEY LEFT FOR A TIP!!!!"

I could see that being an issue with all races at a young age though...:confusedshrug:

it is easy to rack up a large tap without really knowing it at a club/bar...

ive heard the stereotype before, but ive never worked on tips so im not gonna make judgement. but thats dumb logic... according to you, or whoever came up with that conclusion, if they dont tip on a small bill, its cuz they dont have a lot of money... if they dont tip on a big bill, its cuz they spent all their money on the product and dont have enough to tip..

[BrooklynZoo]

I agree with Sheed gangsta that I dont tip for poor service.... never


if you piss me off or give poor service you can forget a tip... I dont pay out money to people who I dont feel have earned it...

I will walk out a store if the people working there are rude.... the world is full of places to spend money and I will find another place if the current one isnt quite up to par

just say youre too cheap to pay the tip, dont come up with some type of excuse. people who say they just wont tip if the service isnt good are just looking for a reason not to tip. u probably sit there evaluating if this person is not being extra polite to you, so that u wont have to tip them. u must think youre some type of royalty or something and they have to bend over backwards to serve u. if the waitress is being rude or gives u attitude or something then i can agree with not leavin a tip, but in my experience, rarely does this happen. u understand they work on tips and u are looking for a reason not to pay them. i can understand if u dont tip 15+% but to leave something well below or nothing at all is probably just u being cheap

[High Potential]

[QUOTE=e-Thugstylez]I can't keep this "tongue-in-cheek" anymore. Believe me I know, this is going to come across as brute and politically incorrect, but I need to see if anyone else has noticed the same thing. I'm talking about African Americans being the most god-awful tippers in the world. Yes, I understand this is not the same for everyone. You'll have whites or other races who tip just as bad, but I'm talking on average, and it's not even close.

I'm sorry if this upsets some of you all, but I really want to know the reasoning behind this? It's not like every African American is living pay check to pay check these days, so what gives? I've seen this all my life since I can remember. When I was 19, my girl and I drove up to Cedar Point in OH for a small vacation. On the drive back, we stopped at some local IHOP spin-off and witnessed this topic in action. There was a group of African Americans with an average age of maybe 25, not just a bunch of kids. I'm talking like 8 - 10 people at this table. Their waitress was Hispanic, and my girl and I watched her bust her ass off serving that table. When they were ready to leave, someone at the tabled asked if they pay up front or does the waitress take care of it. The waitress said she does all that. So the guy paying for everyone's breakfast that morning gave her cash. Then she brought back their change. They left and I sh*t you not, they left no tip whatsoever. My girl and I watched in amazement, but that wasn't really our business so we just kept eating our breakfast. As the waitress was cleaning their table off, we could tell she was very upset. Not mad, just upset. I felt bad for her, so on our bill of roughly $12 I left a $10 tip. The waitress initially said she could not and would not accept that, but we just walked out and said keep it.

Throughout the past several years, I've seen similar things happen all the time. We all eat out a lot right, so I can't be the only one who's seen this in action? Hell, I've seen African Americans tip African Americans very poorly or no tip at all! If you're going into a sit-down restaurant, you're expected to tip! It's not an option unless you receive bad service! I really can't explain why this sets me off, it just does.

So last night, my girl and some of her friends are all out to dinner at a local Applebee

[-primetime-]

ive heard the stereotype before, but ive never worked on tips so im not gonna make judgement. but thats dumb logic... according to you, or whoever came up with that conclusion, if they dont tip on a small bill, its cuz they dont have a lot of money... if they dont tip on a big bill, its cuz they spent all their money on the product and dont have enough to tip..
not according to me...it that specific quote I was just repling to someone saying that I could understand how that could happen but that would happen to ANY RACE...if you keep reading.


anyway...for whatever reason, the steriotype is true....I have just heard of this from too many people for it all to be just a coincedence...

and just watch all the youtube videos posted here...there has got to be something to this...

do you think this is all just made up BS???

[High Potential]

not according to me...it that specific quote I was just repling to someone saying that I could understand how that could happen but that would happen to ANY RACE...if you keep reading.


anyway...for whatever reason, the steriotype is true....I have just heard of this from too many people for it all to be just a coincedence...

and just watch all the youtube videos posted here...there has got to be something to this...

do you think this is all just made up BS???

So using that logic-back in the middle ages everyone in Europe said that Jews kidnapped babies and used their blood to cook into their matzah. Everyone talked about it and everyone heard about it from someone else. Was it true?

[Lamar Doom]

you should always tip 15-20% in the US. waiting tables can be a tough gig, be sensitive to the fact that people are busting their ass to bring you food and drink and it's a degrading and dead-end job.

[-primetime-]

So using that logic-back in the middle ages everyone in Europe said that Jews kidnapped babies and used their blood to cook into their matzah. Everyone talked about it and everyone heard about it from someone else. Was it true?
jesus dude...

these are modern times...not the middle ages

do you really think all these waitresses and waiters are just lieing???....even the black waiters themselves???

come on dude...:rolleyes:

you even have black people in THIS VERY THREAD saying they never tip...

I think it is safe to say that this isn't just some made up crap by the white man to make the black man look bad...

[-primetime-]

you should always tip 15-20% in the US. waiting tables can be a tough gig, be sensitive to the fact that people are busting their ass to bring you food and drink and it's a degrading and dead-end job.
you should see some of the bartenders at clubs here in Dallas when they get packed...those guys are working so hard and running around 24/7 trying to serve everyone so fast that they don't even have time to take a piss...

they deserve to be tipped...even if all they did was just grab you a few beers...

[Lamar Doom]

yeah, bar-tipping etiquette is usually a dollar a drink... if you get four beers you don't need to give them four bucks, but you should always give a dollar or two every time you hit the bar.

[Lamar Doom]

semi off subject but if you're ever in a party of 6 or more, check to see if they automatically include gratuity, a lot of waiters won't tell you this in an attempt to get a double tip.

[Day La Ghetto]

threads dissing blacks. rasheed1 attorney at (denfending blacks) at law here!

[-primetime-]

yeah, bar-tipping etiquette is usually a dollar a drink... if you get four beers you don't need to give them four bucks, but you should always give a dollar or two every time you hit the bar.
I always just start a tab with my card...and then make sure the tip is over 15% when I close out...

yeah I think the days of using cash at bars are behind me now...

In fact I hardly ever use cash for anything now...even fast food...

strippers and poker games...those are the only times I can think of that causes me to hit up the ATM these days...

[-primetime-]

threads dissing blacks. rasheed1 attorney at (denfending blacks) at law here!
*white racist judge looking at black guy who he steriotypes as automatically being a thug:


"GUILTY!!!!"


*slams hammer till it breaks

[Kumo]

Well...only read the first page, but tipping was "created" To Insure Prompt Service, or TIPS. It was given before a meal, to make sure you were taken care of at your table. Now it has kind of turned around, but a lot of waiters do rely on it for any disposable income. Also, please stop calling black people African American....there not African, African descent, yes.....but I don't go around having people call me Irish-American. Cut it out.

[Dash]

I worked as a server for about a year or so at a Perkins and I never experienced this myself....probably because I treated everyone I came in contact with equally.

In my experience, the people that get stiffed by black people are the ones that serve a table with the preconception that they aren't going to be tipped well and are real snooty towards the customer.

I still remember years ago...one of my managers (who was gay as hell by the way) said under his breath after a black couple left the restaurant after complaining about their service: "****!ng n!ggers."

**** blew my mind....

[imjustlikemusiq]

old people tip the worst

[-primetime-]

Well...only read the first page, but tipping was "created" To Insure Prompt Service, or TIPS. It was given before a meal, to make sure you were taken care of at your table. Now it has kind of turned around, but a lot of waiters do rely on it for any disposable income. Also, please stop calling black people African American....there not African, African descent, yes.....but I don't go around having people call me Irish-American. Cut it out.
I have never heard of a black person being offended by being called an African American...

in fact don't most black leaders reffer to themselves as African Americans???

[-primetime-]

old people tip the worst
lol...yeah....some of them still think a quarter is a ton of money like when they were a teenager...:oldlol:

[SCREWstonRockets]

Why don't they just give waiters minimum wage? That would elimiate all these problems. That way, waiters won't have to depend on tips and people won't have to leave a $30 tip off of $35 bill while getting crappy service. Why should customers be the ones paying for the majority of the waiters wage?

[statman32]

In Europe and the rest of the world there is no tipping. That's how it should be. First off your retarded hypothesis isn't true, and second even if it was that just means they have it straight.
No they dont have it straight. If they were in Europe than they would, but he's not talking about Europe Mcfly. :rolleyes:

[pete's montreux]

I've read the entire thread, and have come to a conclusion. I will no longer tip african american waiters.

[statman32]

I've read the entire thread, and have come to a conclusion. I will no longer tip african american waiters.
:oldlol:
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:no:

[mlh1981]

Other than restaurants/bars, where else do you people tip at? I tip my barber.

If I know that I can't afford to leave a 15-20 percent tip, then I just won't go out to eat. Those people are amongst the hardest working individuals, and if the service is outstanding, I want to be able to express my appreciation.

Rule of thumb: Don't d!ck over people who handle your food and cut your hair. They can f*ck up your universe :no:

[DatZNasty]

this is a video of a BLACK GUY calling out his own race...

sorry Jay, but how could you possibly think it is all just a coincedence or something after watching that...then the video of the black chick saying she shouldn't have to tip sh*t....and on top of it all...A BLACK DUDE IN THIS VERY THREAD SAYING HE NEVER TIPS!!!!!!

give it up...in general black people do not tip very well




and again I am still sticking to my theory that it is just a lack of money issue (for the most part, not all)...I doubt anyone has ever had a problem with Jordan or Tiger or Denzel or (insert rich black person here) tipping them bad...
You guys are so stupid it's unbelievable. I could find videos of WHITE guys calling out their own race, on any number of things. What does it prove?

And the concept of tipping is stupid. Nobody forced you to take a job where you make sub minimum wage, ignoring the fact that there are plenty of jobs where people make minimum wage or more and still expect to be tipped.

I've only had 2 run ins with waiters over tipping before. In Alameda, they sat us right by the kitchen window where the food and drinks comes out from, like literally arm's length from it, and ignoring the fact we never saw the waitress (because like many she likely comes in with the "I'm not going to get a tip from them anyways, so why bother" attitude), all of a sudden we get our bill and they auto added a 22% gratuity? 22 percent!? ***** didn't even do anything, wrote down an order, reverse pivot, handed it to the kitchen dude, left never to be seen again until it was ready, reverse pivot, handed it back to us, disappeared, reappeared with a bill. Told her I'll give her a tip, don't autocharge that **** without telling me. Gave her like 50$ on like a 46.?? bill because I hate change. I mean she literally didn't do anything. They ate/drank more than me, but assuming the 4 of us totalled about 260$, that's 57$ for like 35 minutes of "work." Nope.

At some TGIF/Applebee's/Chili's level restaurant in GA, the waiter offered the special on drinks and entrees and the price ended up being wrong, like way wrong. She told me that the half rack was 9.99 so I got one and got one to take to my mom, and did the same thing on whatever fruity specialty drinks I was guzzling. I'm thinking I got like a 50$ bill, **** comes up to like 89$ or something. She said her bad but she doesn't have the authority to fix it. So yea, no tip there.

In Dallas, at a 24hr Denny's with only like 2 of us in there, I had to literally get up and go find the waitress. When I paid I told her give the tip to the cook, doubt she did it, but damn that whole sense of entitlement I should just tip you because it's some unwritten rule ****. Bus drivers are public transportation even expect tips now, or in Kansas City they do anyways.

Papa John's always gets great tips from me, they get the pizza here amazingly fast compared to everybody else, just are Smokehouse Bacon & Ham.

Generally speaking, tip I give willl be commensurate with the level of service you provide. Bitch about it if you want, but I didn't make you take that job, and given that tips are VOLUNTARY, the onus is on you to earn one. I don't eat out much anyways, since I don't trust so many people I don't know and can't see handling my food, plus with homecooking you have more control over the ingredients and nutrition.

[Lamar Doom]

yeah, i hate to jump on the generalization bandwagon but i think europeans and old people are the worst tipping demographics. a lot of lesbians are bad tippers but it seems like most gay men tip extremely well. strange.

[dnyk1337]

You guys are so stupid it's unbelievable. I could find videos of WHITE guys calling out their own race, on any number of things. What does it prove?

That LeBron James in that Vitamin Water commercial looks like an idiot. He can't even speak straight. .

[Lamar Doom]

You guys are so stupid it's unbelievable. I could find videos of WHITE guys calling out their own race, on any number of things. What does it prove?

white guys are insecure and empty inside, they try to fill the void with a drive for socio-economic status and sexual conquests.

[statman32]

white guys are insecure and empty inside, they try to fill the void with a drive for socio-economic status and sexual conquests.
Its true. We do.

[e-Thugstylez]

The moral of the story here people is if you're going out to eat at a sit-in restaurant and you know well before hand you're expected to tip unless your service is bad, you fu*king pull out your wallet, money clip or whatever and you tip for your service.

It's not rocket science. If you can't afford meal + tip of where you're going to eat, then don't go. If you can afford, but you simply choose not to tip even through you service was decent, then don't go. Doesn't matter what color you are or what color your server is, fu*king tip accordingly.

:cheers:

[Dasher]

Black people don't tip much because we grade harder when it comes to service, and tipping is some bull**** and I don't really feel sorry for waitresses. Get a better job. The only people I tip are bartenders and barbers, strippers and waitresses can go to hell.

[JayGuevara]

Black people don't tip much because we grade harder when it comes to service, and tipping is some bull**** and I don't really feel sorry for waitresses. Get a better job. The only people I tip are bartenders and barbers, strippers and waitresses can go to hell.


And that's why niiggas spit in your food every time you go out to eat.

[Dasher]

And that's why niiggas spit in your food every time you go out to eat.
You'd have to eat at fast food restaurants for that to happen. I leave that garbage for the birds. I eat homemade food 99% of the time. When I do eat somewhere nice they have to be excellent servers to warrant a tip. Give em two bucks and they are up to minimum wage.

[JayGuevara]

You'd have to eat at fast food restaurants for that to happen. I leave that garbage for the birds. I eat homemade food 99% of the time. When I do eat somewhere nice they have to be excellent servers to warrant a tip. Give em two bucks and they are up to minimum wage.

No, any restaurant you go to, if you're a dick or cheap or somethin, they will **** with your food. It doesn't matter if it's McDonalds or Benihana's.

I'd add some condiments to your food just on principle.

[BrooklynZoo]

whats with the dumb argument that they should just get a job that pays minimum wage? after tips, they make more than people who make minimum wage, so why would they do that. thats like saying real estate brokers should work for minimum wage instead of comission because its more steady. if waiters made minimum wage, u we'd probably have a shortage of waiters. but then those who dont like to tip will probably see that them making more than the minimum is another reason not to tip them

[LJJ]

whats with the dumb argument that they should just get a job that pays minimum wage? after tips, they make more than people who make minimum wage, so why would they do that. thats like saying real estate brokers should work for minimum wage instead of comission because its more steady. if waiters made minimum wage, u we'd probably have a shortage of waiters. but then those who dont like to tip will probably see that them making more than the minimum is another reason not to tip them

Well, the argument is more like this:

Either you get a job where you get paid per hour so you know exactly what you are getting paid.

Or you get a job that pays 2.6 p/h+tips, but if you do that you can never complain about people not giving you enough money because you signed your own ****ing contract.

[InspiredLebowski]

Well, the argument is more like this:

Either you get a job where you get paid per hour so you know exactly what you are getting paid.

Or you get a job that pays 2.6 p/h+tips, but if you do that you can never complain about people not giving you enough money because you signed your own ****ing contract.

How would you feel about a restaraunt adding 15% to your bill?

[Hawker]

I love some of the logic that people have here...especially datznasty.

This is his logic:

You go to a sit-down restaurant and expect service with food and drinks and refills served to you.

So you expect a waiter/waitress.

Then you say, "it's not my fault they decided to not go to school and get a real job. They didnt have to choose that job."



Crappy f*cking logic.

[KeylessEntry]

Well I wouldnt tip half of the idiots who have posted in this thread if I knew they were going to be serving me food. But in my experience, mexicans are worse tippers than black people. I have served so many mexican families without getting a single dime afterward. Black people are more likely to leave a small tip, but often the mexicans dont leave anything at all.

[LJJ]

How would you feel about a restaraunt adding 15% to your bill?

Actually, where I live waiters get at least minimum salary. And when you tip you do it because the service was good and you think they deserve a little extra.

[Back In Shape]

You'd have to eat at fast food restaurants for that to happen. I leave that garbage for the birds. I eat homemade food 99% of the time. When I do eat somewhere nice they have to be excellent servers to warrant a tip. Give em two bucks and they are up to minimum wage.

You have been probably been eatin spit and shyt for quite a while and no known it. :oldlol:

I worked as a waiter in a very nice restaurant with an all European kitchen staff and trust me some of the guys weren't above doing shyt to your food. Even the chefs would occasionally eff with your plate if they didn't like the way you were eating your food or did something they deemed an insult to their "art".

[-primetime-]

A friend of mine used to work at Arby's a long time ago....a guy at the drive through was being an a-hole....he droped the buns of his sandwich on the floor and rubbed them around...

do not f*ck with people who are serving your food....be nice to them...if you don't plan on tipping them then you should plan on never going back...

[wTFaMonkey]

i was at work yesturday. and guess what?

at party of nine, black people, tipped me $2. the bill was 90$ and they ****ing stiffed me with 2$....

i swear to god. next time they come in my resturant, ill ****ing spead around some extra "salt" and "gravy" on there food.


i was hella mad

[craigthomasb]

Waiters make half the minimum wage and depend on 15% for a living wage.

how exactly is it a minimum wage then? you cant work for less than that its illegal surely, hense minimum, the answers in the name

[AppleNader]

how exactly is it a minimum wage then? you cant work for less than that its illegal surely, hense minimum, the answers in the name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States

[v-unit]

Tipping is insane in the states, it's the worst in Las Vegas.

You have random people outside of hotels who are looking for people who show the slightest ounce of confusion. They run up to them and ask "Hi ma'am! Need help? Want to know where to watch a great show or get fancy dinner?" Blah blah only so in the end they give you a puppy face and stare at you, signaling for you to tip them.

Or when you get ANYTHING in Vegas, they expect tips, because they expect everyone to be rich.

[-primetime-]

Tipping is insane in the states, it's the worst in Las Vegas.

You have random people outside of hotels who are looking for people who show the slightest ounce of confusion. They run up to them and ask "Hi ma'am! Need help? Want to know where to watch a great show or get fancy dinner?" Blah blah only so in the end they give you a puppy face and stare at you, signaling for you to tip them.

Or when you get ANYTHING in Vegas, they expect tips, because they expect everyone to be rich.
it is like that at any decent hotel anywhere in the U.S., not just Vegas

also drinks are free in Vegas....so it is really hard to bitch about throwing the waitress a $1 chip for grabbing you a free drink...you know?

[v-unit]

it is like that at any decent hotel anywhere in the U.S., not just Vegas

also drinks are free in Vegas....so it is really hard to bitch about throwing the waitress a $1 chip for grabbing you a free drink...you know?

Yeah I guess, I remember when I was in Richmond, Virginia at some hotel that cost me like near 200 a night, it wasn't the case with people fiending me for tips. I know that Canada is muchhh different.

[DatZNasty]

I love some of the logic that people have here...especially datznasty.

This is his logic:

You go to a sit-down restaurant and expect service with food and drinks and refills served to you.

So you expect a waiter/waitress.

Then you say, "it's not my fault they decided to not go to school and get a real job. They didnt have to choose that job."



Crappy f*cking logic.
What? My logic was that it's ridiculous to expect to get extra rewarded for doing what is already in your job description. I have no problem with waiters. I realize they are just trying to make a living, like me or anybody else with a "better" salaried job. I'm just saying, you knew when you signed your contract that your for sure wage was 2.50$ or whatever and given that tips are voluntary and at the discretion of the consumer, there's no telling how much they will be.

Originally Posted by InspiredLebowski
How would you feel about a restaraunt adding 15% to your bill?
Who cares? Before ordering it you would already know the price, and thusly make a decision whether or not you want to pay that much to order it.

[Hawker]

Black people don't tip much because we grade harder when it comes to service, and tipping is some bull**** and I don't really feel sorry for waitresses. Get a better job. The only people I tip are bartenders and barbers, strippers and waitresses can go to hell.

You're such a fool.

Once again, you expect waiters and waitresses to bring you your food but you said, "they should get a better job."

Think before you type man.

[poorlilrich]

Ive never tipped in my life


The thought of tipping doesn't even cross my mind after Ive eaten and I'm about to leave


I remember this one time I was at an Iranian restaurant with these two other dudes. The bill was around $45 for all three... I put down $15...the two other dudes didn't say **** because I made it clear I didn't like food

It was some truly nasty ****...their yogurt was sour, the meals were sour, the drinks were bitter...overall nasty ****

[ALBballer]

Ive never tipped in my life


The thought of tipping doesn't even cross my mind after Ive eaten and I'm about to leave


I remember this one time I was at an Iranian restaurant with these two other dudes. The bill was around $45 for all three... I put down $15...the two other dudes didn't say **** because I made it clear I didn't like food

It was some truly nasty ****...their yogurt was sour, the meals were sour, the drinks were bitter...overall nasty ****

Some people are straight up cheap. You probably keep your hand in your pocket at all times just to make sure your money isn't going anywhere.

Besides, the meal was 15, if you gave a $2 tip that would be more then sufficient, if the food was terrible as you sad. Two dollars, thats all. What the **** can you do with 2 dollars? You can't even buy a girl a drink at the bar for $2. Can't even buy a comb for $2.

[-primetime-]

What? My logic was that it's ridiculous to expect to get extra rewarded for doing what is already in your job description. I have no problem with waiters. I realize they are just trying to make a living, like me or anybody else with a "better" salaried job. I'm just saying, you knew when you signed your contract that your for sure wage was 2.50$ or whatever and given that tips are voluntary and at the discretion of the consumer, there's no telling how much they will be.

Who cares? Before ordering it you would already know the price, and thusly make a decision whether or not you want to pay that much to order it.
are you black?

serious question...but you are right?


my first post in here was that it was a money issue but now I am starting to rethink that...

is this just the state of mind that most black people have??? they feel that they shouldn't have to tip because they are just doing thier job???

black people need to understand the concept here...they are serving you and busting thier ass to bring you your meal in an effort to earn thier salary from you...that is just the way it works.

and like I have said 10 times already in here, if you don't plan on tipping then don't ever plan on going back...because if it was me then I would would go in the resroom, piss in a cup, and then drizzle some of my urine over your meal....and I am not joking either...don't f*ck with people that are serve your food...young pissed off people will not hesitate at all to f*ck with your meal...

[poorlilrich]

This reminds me of something that happened last thursday


Me and some friends went into this pizza spot...not a restaurant more like an all you can eat pizza and salad buffet

First of all, we took out at least 20 napkins and left them rolled up on the table...then one of us me regurgitated food on the napkin and put other napkins on top to cover it, and someone else did the same on a plate and covered it up with another napkin


the person taking orders was being a little ***** anyways

[poorlilrich]

Some people are straight up cheap. You probably keep your hand in your pocket at all times just to make sure your money isn't going anywhere.

Besides, the meal was 15, if you gave a $2 tip that would be more then sufficient, if the food was terrible as you sad. Two dollars, thats all. What the **** can you do with 2 dollars? You can't even buy a girl a drink at the bar for $2. Can't even buy a comb for $2.

I wouldnt call myself cheap

I have given food to homeless people a handful of times, it's just that I never got used to tipping waiters and waitresses; it's not natural for me. When I look at a menu, I don't account for the tip; if I have $20 in my pockets, I'll look for something around that amount

[DatZNasty]

are you black?

serious question...but you are right?


my first post in here was that it was a money issue but now I am starting to rethink that...

is this just the state of mind that most black people have??? they feel that they shouldn't have to tip because they are just doing thier job???

black people need to understand the concept here...they are serving you and busting thier ass to bring you your meal in an effort to earn thier salary from you...that is just the way it works.

and like I have said 10 times already in here, if you don't plan on tipping then don't ever plan on going back...because if it was me then I would would go in the resroom, piss in a cup, and then drizzle some of my urine over your meal....and I am not joking either...don't f*ck with people that are serve your food...young pissed off people will not hesitate at all to f*ck with your meal...
What difference does it make? If I am, you're going to say it confirms your stereotype and if not, you'll just ignore it anyways. And yes I am, but I never said I don't tip. If waiters are really busy writing down or trying to remember faces trying so they can impose some getback on people next time they return, they're probably wasting time they could be spending getting refilling some iced teas and delivering dinner rolls (you know, their job), which of course directly correlates to the type of tip they get which is the whole foundation of their frustration. And for what it's worth, I don't eat out enough for that to be a likelihood anyways, but that's such a bitchmade thing to do and even moreso to try to justify it like, "he only tipped me 10% last time, so me vandalizing his food is ok."

Even carhops at drive in fast food restaurants like Sonics want tips now.

[dnyk1337]

Seriously, fack tips. Most bullsh!t thing to ever hit the world. Like people said, you signed the contract and you knew what you were getting yourself into. If you expect everyone to care about your stupid "greed" then you're full of yourself. I usually tip like 2-3 dollars when we go out with friends. We all chip in that much and that's it.

[-primetime-]

What difference does it make? If I am, you're going to say it confirms your stereotype and if not, you'll just ignore it anyways.
it makes a difference because it is the entire subject of the thread...

and if you were white i would have been very suprised to say the least...

I am trying to figure out what it is in the black person's mindset that white people do not share here...at first I thought for sure it was a money issue....but now I am starting to see that it isn't that at all (at least the 3-4 that have posted here)...except for Rich who says that if he only has a $20 in his pocket then he orders around that amount leaving him with no room to tip...all the others here say it is more a mindset of thinking they don't deserve it or something...

serioulsy do you not feel embarassed or cheap after doing something like that???....Or are you just like "hell that stupid white b*tch was just doin her job....she ain't gettin any more of my sh*t"...:confusedshrug:

[Dasher]

You're such a fool.

Once again, you expect waiters and waitresses to bring you your food but you said, "they should get a better job."

Think before you type man.
There job is to bring me food. I don't value their service more than I would a fast food worker's. They will be OK. I am sure some white guy will come along and tip them enough for the both of us. Tipping is some BS, and most of the time I refuse to participate in it. The American dining industry unfairly charges their patrons extra for service they pay when you make a purchase from the menu. You only get 15% if your service is suis generis.

[-primetime-]

don't **** with people that handle your food:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p1dFdlcENQ


learn to tip people....jesus christ....it is how the system works here so just accept it.

[L.Kizzle]

Why tip someone for doing their job? I never game the due at footlocker and extra $5 after buying a pair of kicks or the chick at best buy who helped me find the disc I was looking for...

[InspiredLebowski]

Everyone in this thread who doesn't tip unless someone goes above and beyond the call of duty (have you ever done that for the hourly wage/salary at your job?) should work a pay period at Applebee's.

[-primetime-]

There job is to bring me food. I don't value their service more than I would a fast food worker's. They will be OK. I am sure some white guy will come along and tip them enough for the both of us. Tipping is some BS, and most of the time I refuse to participate in it. The American dining industry unfairly charges their patrons extra for service they pay when you make a purchase from the menu. You only get 15% if your service is suis generis.
this post makes me want to vomit...just about every sentence in it....us white guys are gonna make up for black people's ignorance on this????...and they re the same as fast food workers???....is that really the way you feel???

if the American dining industry paid thier employees a full salary rather than the tipping system then everything on the menu would cost more to make up for it...you are cheating the system by not paying that waitress her salary for f*ck's sake....:banghead:

[-primetime-]

Why tip someone for doing their job? I never game the due at footlocker and extra $5 after buying a pair of kicks or the chick at best buy who helped me find the disc I was looking for...
BECAUSE THEY GET PAID A FULL SALARY!!!!!! :banghead:

why is this sooooo hard to understand ?????....seriously...???....WTF ????






thier salary is based on tips ....THAT WAY THEY TREAT YOU GOOD!!!!

If they got paid a regular salary like the people at footlacker or best buy then your food would come late and your service would suck and they would probably frown at act like crap due to the fact they don't want to be your personal slave...


due to the fact that they have to make thier own money from your tips it insures that they never treat you bad...

[Dasher]

this post makes me want to vomit...just about every sentence in it....us white guys are gonna make up for black people's ignorance on this????...and they re the same as fast food workers???....is that really the way you feel???

if the American dining industry paid thier employees a full salary rather than the tipping system then everything on the menu would cost more to make up for it...you are cheating the system by not paying that waitress her salary for f*ck's sake....:banghead:
Her salary is the 2 dollars she signed up for. If someone tips her 10 dollars she has made 12 dollars in that hour, people with more important jobs often make less. I was being sarcastic on the white man deal, but the notion that tipping is BS still remains. Restaurant prices will rise only as high as the consumer allows. If the dining industries of other countries can function without tipping, and still be affordable ours can to.

[dnyk1337]

Why tip someone for doing their job? I never game the due at footlocker and extra $5 after buying a pair of kicks or the chick at best buy who helped me find the disc I was looking for...

Some of you don't understand why you're tipping. It might have to do with misinformation. You tip when to show somebody APPRECIATION for their dedication to pleasing you, the customer. Obviously, America is a country run by money, so what better way to show gratification than by tipping?

In Japan for example, the workers are EXPECTED to show the utmost respect and dedication for the customers. Tips are usually not accepted because it is sort of seen as embarrassing to accept extra money from people.

In Europe, it is actually added into the cost beforehand, so it really doesn't matter.

I still hate paying extra, but if they're doing a good job, I'll still tip 15%.

[-primetime-]

Her salary is the 2 dollars she signed up for. If someone tips her 10 dollars she has made 12 dollars in that hour, people with more important jobs often make less. I was being sarcastic on the white man deal, but the notion that tipping is BS still remains. Restaurant prices will rise only as high as the consumer allows. If the dining industries of other countries can function without tipping, and still be affordable ours can to.
you are hopless...:ohwell:

maybe she wouldn't have accepted her $2 salary if she understood that there are so many cheap asses out there like yourself that refuse to pay her.

so much for anyone that walked into this thread claiming that the steriotype was false...

[Dasher]

you are hopless...:ohwell:

maybe she wouldn't have accepted her $2 salary if she understood that there are so many cheap asses out there like yourself that refuse to pay her.

so much for anyone that walked into this thread claiming that the steriotype was false...
My mother tipped 50% and I used to tell her that was BS. Tipping is a waste of my money, and I will not be guilted into giving it away just because waitresses, by convention, allow themselves to be paid only 2-3 bucks an hour. If waitresses are good at their job they should make out fine without my tip.

[wTFaMonkey]

go and find a waiter that gets paid 7 dollars an hour


you cant.

90% of waiters income comes from tips.

[-primetime-]

My mother tipped 50% and I used to tell her that was BS. Tipping is a waste of my money, and I will not be guilted into giving it away just because waitresses, by convention, allow themselves to be paid only 2-3 bucks an hour..
your mother tipping 50% is BS....I agree

If waitresses are good at their job they should make out fine without my tip.
:wtf:

how the hell is that exactly???

no waitress would work in this country if everyone had your mindset...

[Dasher]

go and find a waiter that gets paid 7 dollars an hour


you cant.

90% of waiters income comes from tips.
And I don't really feel sorry for them. They know that 90% of their incomes will come from tipping when they get the job. Fu-ckem they will either be great at their job or starve.

[-primetime-]

And I don't really feel sorry for them. They know that 90% of their incomes will come from tipping when they get the job. Fu-ckem they will either be great at their job or starve.
If you keep this mindset your entire life then I will promise yuou it will come back to haunt you in the form of you eating something nasty...

not joking at all...that happens

so I wouldn't stiff anyone at your local restaurants if I were you...

[wTFaMonkey]

And I don't really feel sorry for them. They know that 90% of their incomes will come from tipping when they get the job. Fu-ckem they will either be great at their job or starve.

:confusedshrug:

...


this is why i like the 15% gratuity charge. to prevent ********s like you that stiff the waiters.

[JayGuevara]

And I don't really feel sorry for them. They know that 90% of their incomes will come from tipping when they get the job. Fu-ckem they will either be great at their job or starve.

If you ever find yourself in the Metro Detroit area, I am extending a cordial invitation to come dine at my establishment.

[poorlilrich]

go and find a waiter that gets paid 7 dollars an hour


you cant.

90% of waiters income comes from tips.


umm waiters make $7.25 plus tips here

hell my sister works at a cafe and she makes $12/hr plus tips



waiters make more money than you're average fastfood worker...which is why their service should be better than a fastfood worker's

they shouldn't serve you right because they expect a tip, they should serve you right because they know at the end of the day they are making almost twice as much as a mcdonald worker

[JayGuevara]

umm waiters make $7.25 plus tips here

hell my sister works at a cafe and she makes $12/hr plus tips

waiters make more money than you're average fastfood worker...which is why their service should be better than a fastfood worker's

they shouldn't serve you right because they expect a tip, they should serve you right because they know at the end of the day they are making almost twice as much as a mcdonald worker

I dunno where you live cuzzo, but out here waiters make 2.65 an hour, which as I previously stated, basically all of goes to taxes, so they make their tips and that's it.

And I think McDonald's out here they start at like 6 dollars an hour. I dunno, it might be more now, I'm not sure if they ever raised the minimum wage here. I remember they raised it from 5.15 to 5.45 like 4/5 years back, but that's the last I know of.

[wTFaMonkey]

umm waiters make $7.25 plus tips here

hell my sister works at a cafe and she makes $12/hr plus tips



waiters make more money than you're average fastfood worker...which is why their service should be better than a fastfood worker's

they shouldn't serve you right because they expect a tip, they should serve you right because they know at the end of the day they are making almost twice as much as a mcdonald worker

WTH? 12hr plus tips?
what kind of cafe is this?

so your sister is a waitress. and you say you dont tip. hmm.. :confusedshrug:

[poorlilrich]

WTH? 12hr plus tips?
what kind of cafe is this?

so your sister is a waitress. and you say you dont tip. hmm.. :confusedshrug:


It's a cafe at Stanford (town of the college)


the minimum wage in the town got bumped up to 12 an hour a while back

[InspiredLebowski]

Santa Clara county's minimum wage is under $8.00 an hour (http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/d5/print?contentId=a3be6ec73f390110VgnVCM10000048dc4a 92____). Perhaps Stanford U's minimum wage is this alleged $12?

[dnyk1337]

Santa Clara county's minimum wage is under $8.00 an hour (http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/d5/print?contentId=a3be6ec73f390110VgnVCM10000048dc4a 92____). Perhaps Stanford U's minimum wage is this alleged $12?

Good digging. Some posters here just post too much bullsh!t. It's like they want to be wrong. If you're not close to 90% sure, don't post about it. Fcuk.

[poorlilrich]

Lol im not wrong


**** was bumped from $8 to $12 last fall

[InspiredLebowski]

Lol im not wrong


**** was bumped from $8 to $12 last fall

I'm not calling you a liar. I did some more digging and apparently Rich is correct, as Stanford is a private uni and can establish their own minumim wage.


For contractor employees not represented under a collective bargaining relationship, the initial living wage is set at a minimum of $11.15 per hour if health benefits are provided and a minimum of $12.59 if no health benefits are provided.

http://purchasing.stanford.edu/living_wage.html

Good on Stanford.

[-primetime-]

still somewhat pointless here....where the rest of the country makes jack sh*t in wages for waiting tables....

[Hawker]

Well, looks like the stereotype has been proven true.

In general, black people dont tip well.