*ISH 07/08 Player Rankings*

[StroShow4]

I got this idea from here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89915), so credit goes to embersyc for the plan.

Here's how it works. Vote for your current top 20 players in the NBA as of this past season. A first place vote will earn the player 20 points, second place vote will earn 19, and so on. If you take the time to vote, please make sure to list 20 players and no less or your vote will not count.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Sounds good man, I'll make my in depth list a little later tonight.

[embersyc]

Good luck with this, gonna spend some time making my list later.

[starface]

I got this idea from here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89915), so credit goes to embersyc for the plan.

Here's how it works. Vote for your current top 20 players in the NBA as of this past season. A first place vote will earn the player 20 points, second place vote will earn 19, and so on. If you take the time to vote, please make sure to list 20 players and no less or your vote will not count.


i think first you gotta make sure everyone knows whether they are to rank players based on invidiual basketball ability, or "value to the team" type of criteria a la the MVP award. otherwise some people are gonna do it one way some will do it the other and the results will be a bit skewed. i know me personally i would have guys like gilbert arenas a lot higher on an "individual talent" ranking than on a "who i want on my team" ranking.

[StroShow4]

i think first you gotta make sure everyone knows whether they are to rank players based on invidiual basketball ability, or "value to the team" type of criteria a la the MVP award. otherwise some people are gonna do it one way some will do it the other and the results will be a bit skewed. i know me personally i would have guys like gilbert arenas a lot higher on an "individual talent" ranking than on a "who i want on my team" ranking.

everything should be taken into account. individual skill, value to a team, all of that to decide the top 20 players in the league.

[Rekindled]

1Kobe
2Duncan
3Lebron
4CP3
5Deron
6Pierce
7Garnet
8Dwight
9West
10Ginobili
11TonyParker
12Nash
13Gasol
14Dirk
15Rip
16Billups
17Yao
18 Iverson
19 Artest
20 Boozer

[statman32]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Chris Paul
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Yao Ming
9. Dwight Howard
10. Deron Williams
11. Tracy McGrady
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Paul Pierce
14. Baron Davis
15. Allen Iverson
16. Joe Johnson
17. Steve Nash
18. Chris Bosh
19. Manu Ginobili
20. Caron Butler

[June1026]

probably have to edit it a few times, might've forgotten someone.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Tim Duncan
6. Dwight Howard
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Deron Williams
9. Tracy Mcgrady
10. Yao Ming
11. Dirk Nowitzki
12. Manu Ginobli
13. Allen Iverson
14. Tony Parker
15. Steve Nash
16. Paul Pierce
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. Joe Johnson
19. Chris Bosh
20. Baron Davis

[StroShow4]

probably have to edit it a few times, might've forgotten someone.


that's cool, i won't begin counting votes for a little while.

[KNOW1EDGE]

1.Kobe Bryant
2.LeBron James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Yao Ming
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Dirk Nowitzki
9.Dwight Howard
10.Amare Stoudemire
11.Tracy McGrady
12.Steve Nash
13.Allen Iverson
14.Paul Pierce
15.Chauncey Billups
16.Brandon Roy
17.Carmelo Anthony
18.Joe Johnson
19.Chris Bosh
20.Gilbert Arenas

[starface]

this.....

is gonna be tough....

[StroShow4]

this.....

is gonna be tough....


it should be. i plan on putting some serious thought into it later tonight before i actually post a list.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Am i the only one who has ever heard of an all-star by the name of Brandon Roy?

How can you put Baron Davis over Roy, when Roy took his spot on the all-star team? Artest? Rip Hamilton? Caron Butler? I guess you could make a case for all those guys, but Roy is a better all-around player than all those guys. And he is far more important to his team than all those guys.

[LBJ 4 MVP]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Yao Ming
7. Dwight Howard
8. Amare Stoudemire
9. Deron Williams
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11. Tracy McGrady
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Chris Bosh
14. Baron Davis
15. Steve Nash
16. Allen Iverson
17. Carlos Boozer
18. Joe Johnson
19. Brandon Roy
20. Al Jefferson

Probably will have to edit it later...

[hito da god]

1. Kobe bryant



2. Chris paul
3. Lebron james
4. Tim duncan
5. Kevin garnett
6. Dwight howard
7. Deron williams
8. Yao ming
9. Irk nowitzki
10. Amare stoudemire
11. Steve nash
12. Paul pierce
13. Tony parker
14. Carmelo anthony
15. Manu ginobili
16. Allen iverson
17. Chauncey billups
18. Brandon roy
19. Carlos boozer
20. Caron butler

*I left out players who were injured a majority of this past season

[statman32]

Oops I have to add Gilbert Arenas and Dwayne Wade in and then my list will be perfect. Or should I add them? Adding them somewhere is gonna be hard cause of injuries

[StroShow4]

Am i the only one who has ever heard of an all-star by the name of Brandon Roy?

How can you put Baron Davis over Roy, when Roy took his spot on the all-star team? Artest? Rip Hamilton? Caron Butler? I guess you could make a case for all those guys, but Roy is a better all-around player than all those guys. And he is far more important to his team than all those guys.

Baron Davis deserved to make the all star team over Roy this year, i think that's pretty much accepted by most people.

[Emile]

Oh....boy.


1.Duh.
2.LeBron James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Yao Ming
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Deron Williams
9.Dwight Howard
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11.Steve Nash
12.Tracy McGrady
13.Paul pierce
14. Chauncey Billups
15.Carmelo Anthony
16.Pau Gasol
17.Ron Artest
18.Amare Stoudemire
19.Brandon Roy
20.David West.

That's right, no Iverson.

[StroShow4]

Oops I have to add Gilbert Arenas and Dwayne Wade in and then my list will be perfect. Or should I add them? Adding them somewhere is gonna be hard cause of injuries

rankings like these would be so much easier if it wasn't for injuries. i can never decide how much of a factor injuries should be in my decision making.

[Zodiak]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Dirk Nowitzky
8. Baron Davis
9. Dwight Howard
10. Deron Williams
11. Paul Pierce
12. Allen Iverson
13. Steve Nash
14. Tracy McGrady
15. Carmelo Anthony
16. Chris Bosh
17- David West
18. Brandon Roy
19. Manu Ginobili
20. Richard Hamilton

[statman32]

Oh....boy.


1.Duh.
2.LeBron James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Yao Ming
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Deron Williams
9.Dwight Howard
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11.Steve Nash
12.Tracy McGrady
13.Paul pierce
14. Chauncey Billups
15.Carmelo Anthony
16.Pau Gasol
17.Ron Artest
18.Amare Stoudemire
19.Brandon Roy
20.David West.

That's right, no Iverson.
Lmao at Gasol being better than Amare. The only thing Gasol has on Amare is passing. Not to mention he's at worst top 15

[KNOW1EDGE]

Baron Davis deserved to make the all star team over Roy this year, i think that's pretty much accepted by most people.

Shows how little people know about evaluating talent then.

If the coaches thought highley enough of Roy to put him in over Davis doesnt that tell you something?

Who is more important to their team? Roy or Davis?

I have to say Roy, considering he is un-tradeable, and Davis will probably leave GS and they dont seem to mind much or they would make sure he stayed.

Just my point of view though. (and the NBA coaches, GM's and everyone who voted Roy in over Davis)

[Younggrease]

Oh....boy.


1.Duh.
2.LeBron James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Yao Ming
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Deron Williams
9.Dwight Howard
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11.Steve Nash
12.Tracy McGrady
13.Paul pierce
14. Chauncey Billups
15.Carmelo Anthony
16.Pau Gasol
17.Ron Artest
18.Amare Stoudemire
19.Brandon Roy
20.David West.

That's right, no Iverson.

under what criteria is Pau better then Amare Stoudamire and Chris Bosh?

Pau is borderline even making the list. I cant see putting him over Amare, Bosh or maybe even Boozer.

[starface]

Shows how little people know about evaluating talent then.

If the coaches thought highley enough of Roy to put him in over Davis doesnt that tell you something?

Who is more important to their team? Roy or Davis?

I have to say Roy, considering he is un-tradeable, and Davis will probably leave GS and they dont seem to mind much or they would make sure he stayed.

Just my point of view though. (and the NBA coaches, GM's and everyone who voted Roy in over Davis)


Baron Davis is very unpopular among coaches. This has been pretty well documented.

There was no question at the half way point that Baron should have made it over Roy.

Roy has quickly become pretty overrated.

[Rekindled]

mcgrady over pierce ? wtf

[KNOW1EDGE]

under what criteria is Pau better then Amare Stoudamire and Chris Bosh?

Pau is borderline even making the list. I cant see putting him over Amare, Bosh or maybe even Boozer.

What I find HELARIOUS is the fact that if Pau was still on the Grizzlies he wouldnt even be top 50 on that kids list.

Since hes a Laker and plays with the best player in the world, that makes him better than Amare. LMFAO:oldlol:

[StroShow4]

Shows how little people know about evaluating talent then.

?

Baron is the best player on a better team with better statistics. He's also insanely clutch and plays solid D.



Who is more important to their team? Roy or Davis?

Both are the most important player on their team, but i damn sure wouldn't want roy instead of baron on the warriors.


I have to say Roy, considering he is un-tradeable

only because he's young. that has nothing to do with who's better right now.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Baron Davis is very unpopular among coaches. This has been pretty well documented.

There was no question at the half way point that Baron should have made it over Roy.

Roy has quickly become pretty overrated.

You dont know what you're talking about.

Roy>Davis:hammerhead:

Plain and simple.

I dont feel the need to keep saying it, so i wont.

[XxNeXuSxX]

You dont know what you're talking about.

Roy>Davis:hammerhead:

Plain and simple.

I dont feel the need to keep saying it, so i wont.
It would help if you could explain why, instead of just continuing to repeat it.

[XxNeXuSxX]

What I find HELARIOUS is the fact that if Pau was still on the Grizzlies he wouldnt even be top 50 on that kids list.

Since hes a Laker and plays with the best player in the world, that makes him better than Amare. LMFAO:oldlol:
:oldlol: Probably true.

[Emile]

I'm pretty certain most GM's and coaches would pick Pau over Amare. I argued this a lot before and don't feel like doing it again.
Yes, Amare will put up better stats, impress you more, act all tough and dominant but Pau is a better player.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly do see flaws in Pau. But overall, he's a more valuable player than Amare although Amare may be a better individual.

[plat1numX]

1.Lebron James
2.Kobe Bryant
3.Chris Paul
4.Kevin Garnette
5.Tim Duncan
6.Steve Nash
7.Amare Stoudemire
8.Dirk Nowitzki
9.Dwayne Wade
10.Yao Ming
11.Dwight Howard
12.Chris Bosh
13.Deron Williams
14.Carmelo Anthony
15.Tony Parker
16.Allen Iverson
17.Manu Ginobli
18. T-mac
19.Vince Carter
20.Elton Brand

[StroShow4]

I'm pretty certain most GM's and coaches would pick Pau over Amare. I argued this a lot before and don't feel like doing it again.
Yes, Amare will put up better stats, impress you more, act all tough and dominant but Pau is a better player.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly do see flaws in Pau. But overall, he's a more valuable player than Amare although Amare may be a better individual.

i couldn't disagree more. why would anyone take pau over amare? amare's younger, more athletic, and more dominant offensively. defense is both of their weaknesses. and having seen pau play in memphis this season, let me tell you right now he didn't look like the same pau as the one that plays for the lakers. kobe has something to do with that.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Yao Ming
5. Amare Stoudemire
6. Dwight Howard
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Tim Duncan
9. Tracy McGrady
10. Dwyane Wade
11. Baron Davis
12. Deron Williams
13. Gilbert Arenas
14. Steve Nash
15. Dirk Nowitzki
16. Paul Pierce
17. Allen Iverson
18. Elton Brand
19. Tony Parker
20. Caron Butler

Yes, I realize I don't have Melo on this list.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I'm pretty certain most GM's and coaches would pick Pau over Amare. I argued this a lot before and don't feel like doing it again.
Yes, Amare will put up better stats, impress you more, act all tough and dominant but Pau is a better player.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly do see flaws in Pau. But overall, he's a more valuable player than Amare although Amare may be a better individual.

So what makes Pau better than Amare then? If Amare puts up better numbers, and impresses you more, and is more dominant?

Is it cuz Pau is a Laker now? Cuz if he was still a Griz we wouldnt even be talking about him dude........:sleeping

[statman32]

I'm pretty certain most GM's and coaches would pick Pau over Amare. I argued this a lot before and don't feel like doing it again.
Yes, Amare will put up better stats, impress you more, act all tough and dominant but Pau is a better player.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly do see flaws in Pau. But overall, he's a more valuable player than Amare although Amare may be a better individual.
:oldlol:

So you came to your conclusion because of what you think and not the better stats/more impressive/more dominate. That makes since. Just throw out all logic becuase Gasol plays for your team and you have a man crush on him. :applause:

[XxNeXuSxX]

(On the top of my head)

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. Lebron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Dwayne Wade
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Baron Davis
8. Steve Nash
9. Dwight Howard
10. Amare Stoudemire
11. Paul Pierce
12. Dirk Nowitzski
13. Deron Williams
14. Carmelo Anthony
15. T-Mac
16. Manu Ginobili
17. Rasheed Wallace
18. Brandon Roy
19. Joe Johnson
20. Ray Allen

[iamgine]

Here we go:

1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Chris Paul
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Dwight Howard
6. Tim Duncan
7. Caron Butler
8. Marcus Camby
9. Steve Nash
10. Deron Williams
11. Jason Kidd
12. Dirk Nowitzky
13. Amare Stoudemire
14. Baron Davis
15. Antawn Jamison
16. Shawn Marion
17. Yao Ming
18. Allen Iverson
19. Ron Artest
20. Chris Kaman

[juju151111]

I'm pretty certain most GM's and coaches would pick Pau over Amare. I argued this a lot before and don't feel like doing it again.
Yes, Amare will put up better stats, impress you more, act all tough and dominant but Pau is a better player.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly do see flaws in Pau. But overall, he's a more valuable player than Amare although Amare may be a better individual.
Emile normally ur post are insightful, but wtf are u trying to say???:wtf:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Here we go:

1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Chris Paul
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Dwight Howard
6. Tim Duncan
7. Caron Butler
8. Marcus Camby
9. Steve Nash
10. Deron Williams
11. Jason Kidd
12. Dirk Nowitzky
13. Amare Stoudemire
14. Baron Davis
15. Antawn Jamison
16. Shawn Marion
17. Yao Ming
18. Allen Iverson
19. Ron Artest
20. Chris Kaman

This is a pretty funny joke.

I havent laughed that hard in years.

[starface]

Ok, my list was determined by asking myself this question: If I had one season to win a championship and the season started tomorrow, in what order would I select a player for my team.

so without further ado...

1. Lebron James
2. Tim Duncan
3. Deron Williams
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Dwight Howard
8. Amare Stoudamire
9. Elton Brand
10. Yao Ming
11. Chris Kaman
12. Manu Ginobili
13. Steve Nash
14. Allen Iverson
15. Pau Gasol
16. Chauncey Billups
17. Zydrunas Ilgauskus
18. Dirk Nowitzki
19. Jason Kidd
20. Monta Ellis

[Dasher]

20.Brandon Roy
19.Vince Carter
18.Paul Pierce
17.TMac
16.Tony Parker
15.Carmello Anthony
14.Joe Johnson
13.Baron Davis
12.Steve Nash
11.Carlos Boozer
10.Dirk Nowitzki
9.Deron Williams
8.Dwight Howard
7.Al Jefferson
6.Amare
5.LeBron James
4.Tim Duncan
3.KG
2.Chris Paul
1.Kobe Bryant

Some players not considered because of injury.

[The Chosen One]

1. LeBron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dwight Howard
6. Chris Paul
7. Deron Williams
8. Amare Stoudemire
9. Dwayne Wade
10. Steve Nash
11. Yao Ming
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Chris Bosh
14. Allen Iverson
15. Dirk Nowitzki
16. Paul Pierce
17. Vince Carter
18. Tracy McGrady
19. Brandon Roy
20. Pau Gasol

[~LA's fine$t~]

(On the top of my head)

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. Lebron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Dwayne Wade
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Baron Davis
8. Steve Nash
9. Dwight Howard
10. Amare Stoudemire
11. Paul Pierce
12. Dirk Nowitzski
13. Deron Williams
14. Carmelo Anthony
15. T-Mac
16. Manu Ginobili
17. Rasheed Wallace
18. Brandon Roy
19. Joe Johnson
20. Ray Allen

How on earth is Wade above Garnett based on this season?

[Emile]

Elton Brand...yeah. Forgot about him. I'd actually have him over Pau. Obviously, over Amare as well.
Amare just comes off all wrong to me. Like the empty stats guy. Not a presence.
Not a vital part of the team...I just kinda see him as...being there and doing things, not making difference. Not really having some crucial impact or making it easier for his teammates or anything.... Dunno.

Pau's different. He really impacts the game. With his passing, intangibles, basketball IQ...since he got to LA, Kobe's been amazing. Odom's been better than ever. He certainly does make it easier for others. Positions himself well on the court..

Maybe I'm just an Amare hater but he's just...blah to me. I think more impressionable than actually good. Like Iverson/Arenas/etc.
Pau actually led his team to 50 wins before. I dread of a thought of Amare in his position. Pau's just much more polished...the type of a player for team basketball as it's supposed to be play. Amare's good but the environment I see him excelling in is as a run and gun type. And run and gun teams lose.

No one talks about how well Pau adjusted to the triangle from the second he became a Laker. I very much doubt Amare could do the same and be so vital to the team and especially his teammates. He'd be doing more of what Bynum was doing. And anyone remembers Odom while Bynum was still active? Yeah...and you telling me Pau had nothing to do with that? Except of course, the difference between Bynum and Amare is that Bynum is a legit defender and a presence. Although, not as good offensively yet.

[StroShow4]

Pau's different. He really impacts the game.

the city of memphis just LOL'd.

[iamgine]

This is a pretty funny joke.

I havent laughed that hard in years.
Nope, not a joke. Be careful milk not comes out of your nose.

[Myth]

1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Tim Duncan
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Dwight Howard
7. Deron Williams
8. Amare Staudemire
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Steve Nash
11. Dwyane Wade
12. Yao Ming
13. Paul Pierce
14. Chauncey Billups
15. Allen Iverson
16. Brandon Roy
17. Manu Ginobili
18. Tony Parker
19. Baron Davis
20. Chris Bosh

[KNOW1EDGE]

Here are some hints for picking your top 20.

Look at this years all-stars and put them on the list before guys like Marcus Camby, Monta Ellis, and Chris Kaman.

[Emile]

the city of memphis just LOL'd.

One of the reasons they appeased him and traded him to the good situation is to show their gratitude to him. As they should.
Because were they ever a playoff team before Pau? No. No sir.
Amare on the Grizzlies is a powerful bigger less polished less perimeter tiny bit less ballhogy and better but not much better version of SAR. We know how that turned out.
With Pau, the Grizzlies made the playoffs 3 times I believe.

[~LA's fine$t~]

the city of memphis just LOL'd.

Exposure does a lot to a players reputation, in a positive and a negative way.

[embersyc]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Dwayne Wade
5. Chris Paul
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Amare Stoudlemire
9. Allen Iverson
10. Steve Nash
11. Deron Williams
12. Dwight Howard
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Antawn Jamison
15. Richard Hamilton
16. Chris Bosh
17. Paul Pierce
18. Dirk Nowitski
19. Al Jefferson
20. Tony Parker

[Emile]

Oh damn...Parker and Manu. Tme to edit the list.

[StroShow4]

Exposure does a lot to a players reputation, in a positive and a negative way.

when he left memphis for LA he went from underrated to overrated in the span of about a week.

[statman32]

One of the reasons they appeased him and traded him to the good situation is to show their gratitude to him. As they should.
Because were they ever a playoff team before Pau? No. No sir.
Amare on the Grizzlies is a powerful bigger less polished less perimeter tiny bit less ballhogy and better but not much better version of SAR. We know how that turned out.
With Pau, the Grizzlies made the playoffs 3 times I believe.
:oldlol:
Such garbage. You lost this argument when you said Amare put up better stats/was more impressive and was more dominant. The only thing you can come up with is making baseless claims like your buddy Bruinlove. You are a hater and its pretty sad you couldnt come up with a list that was even somewhat unbiased.

[~LA's fine$t~]

when he left memphis for LA he went from underrated to overrated in the span of about a week.

How so? Who's overrating him?
He is certainly a borderline top 20 player in this league.

[StroShow4]

Because were they ever a playoff team before Pau? No. No sir.

this is true, and he does deserve credit for that, but he also deserves to take the knock for how badly they sucked early this season. he did not play well at all. with amare they would've been much, much better off.

[embersyc]

I feel really bad I left Baron Davis off my list.

[StroShow4]

How so? Who's overrating him?
He is certainly a borderline top 20 player in this league.

in the past couple days i've witnessed ISHers claim that he's better than paul pierce, amare stoudemire, and chris bosh.. i'm sorry but that's BS.

[~LA's fine$t~]

this is true, and he does deserve credit for that, but he also deserves to take the knock for how badly they sucked early this season. he did not play well at all. with amare they would've been much, much better off.

How did he not play well in Memphis?
He put up 19, 9 and 4 I believe on 52%.

[starface]

Here are some hints for picking your top 20.

Look at this years all-stars and put them on the list before guys like Marcus Camby, Monta Ellis, and Chris Kaman.

LMAO

your basketball savvy is shining bright.

you know all-star selections are based on fan voting right? and the all-star game took place before monta ellis ripped off a straight month shooting 60+% right?

"roy is better than baron davis because roy was an allstar!"


:oldlol: :oldlol:


:applause:


GTFO LOL

[statman32]

How so? Who's overrating him?
He is certainly a borderline top 20 player in this league.
Emile. To suggest that Amare is worse than Gasol even though Amare has better stats/more impressive/more dominant is ridiculous. Good to see the real Emile coming out. Only a matter of time before he starts trolling again.

[~LA's fine$t~]

in the past couple days i've witnessed ISHers claim that he's better than paul pierce, amare stoudemire, and chris bosh.. i'm sorry but that's BS.

Of course that's BS, those are blue colored guys.
All of those players would make my top 15 list, but Gasol might sneak in there to round off the top 20 for me.

[StroShow4]

How did he not play well in Memphis?
He put up 19, 9 and 4 I believe on 52%.

i watched the games, every one of them. he didn't play well. ask any memphis fan. he was inconsistent as hell and just didn't seem into the game half the time.

[Emile]

:oldlol:
Such garbage. You lost this argument when you said Amare put up better stats/was more impressive and was more dominant. The only thing you can come up with is making baseless claims like your buddy Bruinlove. You are a hater and its pretty sad you couldnt come up with a list that was even somewhat unbiased.

What is so hard understand about what I said?

Amare puts up better stats, yeah. I don't value stats much. SAR had better stats than Pau as well.
Amare's playing style certainly is more impressive. His thunderous dunks-chest pumping-high energy style make him a more impressive player than Pau in terms of style.

Better stats, more impressive, in terms of style that is...in no way equate better.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Emile. To suggest that Amare is worse than Gasol even though Amare has better stats/more impressive/more dominant is ridiculous. Good to see the real Emile coming out. Only a matter of time before he starts trolling again.

Emile is a very optimistic Laker fan, but also a very knowledgeable one.
Sometime he/she takes it a little too far, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
He keeps me positive when we're facing tough times.

[statman32]

in the past couple days i've witnessed ISHers claim that he's better than paul pierce, amare stoudemire, and chris bosh.. i'm sorry but that's BS.
People are clueless. Before the Suns drafted Amare tehy were predicted to be one of the worst teams in the league. His presence led them to get the 8 seed as a unpolished ROOKIE.

[statman32]

What is so hard understand about what I said?

Amare puts up better stats, yeah. I don't value stats much. SAR had better stats than Pau as well.
Amare's playing style certainly is more impressive. His thunderous dunks-chest pumping-high energy style make him a more impressive player than Pau in terms of style.

Better stats, more impressive, in terms of style that is...in no way equate better.
Dont forget more dominate. You dont value stats much unless you can use them for your side of the argument. Since you cant this time you have to come out with some bs excuse and start comparing Amares stats to SARs previous stats. I think you are forgetting that Amare has finished in the top 6 of the MVP voting 2 times out of the 5 seasons hes played and finished higher than Gasol the past 4 seasons(exclude injury season) in All-NBA voting. So what teams have ever valued Gasol over Amare? What management has valued Gasol over Amare? Oh wait, you are just guessing. Guessing has no place in legit basketball conversations.

[ForceOfNature]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Deron Williams
6. Tim Duncan
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Paul Pierce
9. Dwight Howard
10. Amare Stoudemire
11. Tracy McGrady
12. Allen Iverson
13. Baron Davis
14. Yao Ming
15. Dirk Nowitzki
16. Carmelo Anthony
17. Steve Nash
18. Shawn Marion
19. Carlos Boozer
20. Brandon Roy

[statman32]

Emile is a very optimistic Laker fan, but also a very knowledgeable one.
Sometime he/she takes it a little too far, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
He keeps me positive when we're facing tough times.
Of course he is knowledgeable but when you throw that out the window it becomes useless. Its pretty obvious thats what has happened in this thread.

[~LA's fine$t~]

I think Pau Gasol will be a lot more valuable once he starts at PF for us next season, and becomes more of a decoy with his passing. His stock will rise tremendously next season, wait and see.

[XxNeXuSxX]

How on earth is Wade above Garnett based on this season?
I wasn't basing it off of this season's performance. Wade, when playing healthy, is still a top 5 player in the league. I had Garnett at six because he's getting slower off the dribble and refuses to drive on offense.

[~LA's fine$t~]

I wasn't basing it off of this season's performance. Wade, when playing healthy, is still a top 5 player in the league. I had Garnett at six because he's getting slower off the dribble and refuses to drive on offense.

I think this list is based on this past season, which is why so many people aren't listing players that were injured like Brand and Arenas.

[XxNeXuSxX]

How did he not play well in Memphis?
He put up 19, 9 and 4 I believe on 52%.
And that makes him better than 22/12 how?

[XxNeXuSxX]

I think this list is based on this past season, which is why so many people aren't listing players that were injured like Brand and Arenas.
I didn't list them either because they didn't play. Wade played a stretch healthy, however.

[BigTicket]

1.LeBron James
2.Kobe Bryant
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Dwight Howard
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Dirk Nowitzki
9.Yao Ming
10.Deron Williams
11.Steve Nash
12.Tracy McGrady
13.Amare Stoudemire
14.Allen Iverson
15.Paul Pierce
16.Chauncey Billups
17.Carmelo Anthony
18.Chris Bosh
19.Baron Davis
20.Carlos Boozer

[starface]

it really amazes me how vastly overrated swingmen are. the fact that so many of these lists contain numerous swingmen like tmac, butler, pierce, vince, wade, joe johnson, etc, in one top 20 list just astonishes me. swingmen dont win u championships, they just sell jerseys.

[StroShow4]

I think Pau Gasol will be a lot more valuable once he starts at PF for us next season, and becomes more of a decoy with his passing. His stock will rise tremendously next season, wait and see.

we'll see. i was probably too hard on him when i said "memphis lol'd", obviously he did big things for that franchise... my point though was that he doesn't impact games like amare, and he was having a poor year before joining the lakers.

[~LA's fine$t~]

And that makes him better than 22/12 how?

What are you talking about?

[~LA's fine$t~]

I didn't list them either because they didn't play. Wade played a stretch healthy, however.

Yeah exactly, but he was no where near as effective as Garnett semi-injured this year.

I doubt Wade would make my top 10 list based on this past season, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[~LA's fine$t~]

StroShow, when making this list are we suppose to take projection into consideration? Or sole based on this past year alone.

[KNOW1EDGE]

LMAO

your basketball savvy is shining bright.

you know all-star selections are based on fan voting right? and the all-star game took place before monta ellis ripped off a straight month shooting 60+% right?




You do know Roy was voted in by the coaches and gm's right? The guys that actually understand how to evaluate talent. Unlike you.

Roy is better than Ellis, Camby, Davis and Kaman.

I really dont care what people in this forum think of Roy, coaches, gm's and actual talent evaluators KNOW that Roy is better. Thats good enough for me.

[hito da god]

I'm pretty certain most GM's and coaches would pick Pau over Amare. I argued this a lot before and don't feel like doing it again.
Yes, Amare will put up better stats, impress you more, act all tough and dominant but Pau is a better player.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly do see flaws in Pau. But overall, he's a more valuable player than Amare although Amare may be a better individual.
Agreed.

I don't think either player would ever win a championship as a number one option, and as a #2 I'd rather have a guy with a MUCH higher basketball IQ and who is a MUCH better passer (Pau) than a guy who can just score and jump out of the gym (Amare). Amare's the better individual player, but Pau fits in on a team better as a four man than amare could ever dream to.

[kobeFANNER]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Chris Paul
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Deron Williams
8. Allen Iverson
9. Tracy Mcgrady
10. Yao Ming
11. Dwight Howard
12. Chris Bosh
13. Dwyane Wade
14. Steve Nash
15. Carmelo Anthony
16. Amare Stoudemire
17. Paul Pierce
19. Baron Davis
20. Pau Gasol

[Spudjjay]

Hope i'm not late.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Tim Duncan
6. Dwight Howard
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Yao Ming
9. Paul Pierce
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11.Dwayne Wade
12.Allen Iverson
13. Steve Nash
14. Carmelo Anthony
15. Tracy Mcgrady
16. Chris Bosh
17. Manu Ginobli
18. Baron Davis
19. Deron williams
20. Vince Carter

[~LA's fine$t~]

Hope i'm not late.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Tim Duncan
6. Dwight Howard
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Yao Ming
9. Paul Pierce
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11.Dwayne Wade
12.Allen Iverson
13. Steve Nash
14. Carmelo Anthony
15. Tracy Mcgrady
16. Chris Bosh
17. Manu Ginobli
18. Baron Davis
19. Deron williams
20. Vince Carter

Sorry, you're overrating Pierce way too much.
No way in hell is he better then Carmelo, Nowitzki or McGrady.

[Spudjjay]

Sorry, you're overrating Pierce way too much.
No way in hell is he better then Carmelo, Nowitzki or McGrady.

Carmelo And T-Mac are not better than Pierce, Dirk maybe, but not those two.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Carmelo And T-Mac are not better than Pierce.

Only to a poster with a Pierce avator I guess.

[Spudjjay]

Only to a poster with a Pierce avator I guess.

Care to explain why you feel T-Mac and Carmelo are better?

[starface]

You do know Roy was voted in by the coaches and gm's right? The guys that actually understand how to evaluate talent. Unlike you.

Roy is better than Ellis, Camby, Davis and Kaman.

I really dont care what people in this forum think of Roy, coaches, gm's and actual talent evaluators KNOW that Roy is better. Thats good enough for me.

LMAO those same coaches and GM's that draft Kwame Brown #1 overall? The same ones who give Stephon Marbury 20 per?

well, ok. i guess if isiah thomas and kevin mchale say brandon roy is better than baron davis, that pretty much seals the deal.


LMAO. how dense are you? every analyst in basketball was saying davis should have got it over roy. every person at this board knows davis should have got it over roy. it is widely known that because of his past baron davis is unpopular in coaching/managing circles.

and yet despite all this, you maintain that bc Roy got the all-star nod over Baron, that it concretely makes him a better player.

This topic and everyone here has pwned you for life.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Care to explain why you feel T-Mac and Carmelo are better?

Lets see here.
Carmelo is a better scorer (6 more points on 3% higher efficiency), and rebounds more. Has a lot more quickness because he is younger, is a better low post scorer and a better perimeter shooter.

Pierce is a better playmaker and defender.

McGrady doesn't play the same position so it's hard to fairly compare these two players, however I'd have McGrady on my team any day of the week. Simply a more dangerous offensive weapon.

[June1026]

Care to explain why you feel T-Mac and Carmelo are better?

It really depends on how you look at it, as far as talent/skill goes, I believe T-Mac > Melo > Pierce, as far as playing your heart out, being a competitor and making the most with what you have goes, Pierce > T-Mac > Melo.

[omarnyc]

1.kobe
2.chris paul
3.lebron
4.duncan
5.garnet
6.amare
7.deron williams
8.dirk
9.t-mac
10.paul pierce
11.dwight howard
12.david west
13.boozer
14,chris bosh
15.manu
16.caron butler
17.carmelo
18.iverson
19.hedo
20.ray allen

i didnt include any players who didnt at least make the playoffs, winning has to count for something. i also didnt include players who missed more then 20 games.

[juju151111]

ohh yeah to get this straight pau plays better defense then amare.So that gives him some edge, but overall amare is better

[StroShow4]

StroShow, when making this list are we suppose to take projection into consideration? Or sole based on this past year alone.

this year alone. the top 20 current players as of 07/08.

[Spudjjay]

Lets see here.
Carmelo is a better scorer (6 more points on 3% higher efficiency), and rebounds more. Has a lot more quickness because he is younger, is a better low post scorer and a better perimeter shooter.

Pierce is a better playmaker and defender.

McGrady doesn't play the same position so it's hard to fairly compare these two players, however I'd have McGrady on my team any day of the week. Simply a more dangerous offensive weapon.

You serious about that? T-mac hasn't been a been a better offensive weapon than Pierce since 04, and this year he avg 2 more points on 6 more shots per game.

[~LA's fine$t~]

You serious about that? T-mac hasn't been a been a better offensive weapon than Pierce since 04, and this year he avg 2 more points on 6 more shots per game.

Actually you're right, I didn't notice how poor he has played this past season. Point made. I'd still take Anthony over Pierce, in a quick second.

[ukplayer4]

emile has totally lost it recently, i used to think of him as a decent poster, especially for here but ever since la beat the spurs i think he took some concoction of hard drugs that has caused his brain to slip from- a laker fan with decent basketball knowledge into a complete and total kobe/laker groupie with total bias towards anything laker related- look at the crap he has been spewing lately in all the threads, not the usual calculated posts, just absolute horse ****. and by god is there enough of that around here anyway....i hope he gets the help he needs to get past this if not another one lost to the kobe/laker dementia.

[Brunch@Five]

1 Kobe Bryant
2 LeBron James
3 Chris Paul

4 Dirk Nowitzki
5 Tim Duncan
6 Kevin Garnett
7 Dwight Howard
8 Deron Williams
9 Yao Ming

10 Paul Pierce
11 Steve Nash
12 Carlos Boozer
13 Chris Bosh
14 Allen Iverson
15 Tracy McGrady
16 Amare
17 Carmelo Anthony
18 Manu Ginobili
19 Caron Butler
20 Brandon Roy

[KeylessEntry]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. Chris Paul
4. Lebron James
5. Deron Williams
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dwight Howard
8. Manu Ginobli
9. Paul Pierce
10. Brandon Roy
11. Baron Davis
12. Dirk Nowitzki
13. Yao Ming
14. Amare Stoudemire
15. Rasheed Wallace
16. Monta Ellis
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. Tony Parker
19. Dwayne Wade
20. Josh Smith

[Carbine]

1 Kobe Bryant
2 LeBron James
3 Chris Paul

4 Dirk Nowitzki
5 Tim Duncan
6 Kevin Garnett
7 Dwight Howard
8 Deron Williams
9 Yao Ming

10 Paul Pierce
11 Steve Nash
12 Carlos Boozer
13 Chris Bosh
14 Allen Iverson
15 Tracy McGrady
16 Amare
17 Carmelo Anthony
18 Manu Ginobili
19 Caron Butler
20 Brandon Roy

Boy, I've seen it all now. Even after Duncan puts up two big-time playoff series in these playoffs (to go along with past numerous ones, to go along with championships) while leading his team to the WCF, Dirk is somehow still rated higher in your eyes? Even after Dirk losing his last three playoff series?

We all know you don't like Tim. Nobody said you have to like the guy, but be reasonable and try not to let your hate towards him make you look small.

Dirk better than Duncan? Are you kidding me?

[Carbine]

My list:

Kobe Bryant
LeBron James/Tim Duncan
LeBron James/Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Chris Paul
Dirk
Deron Williams
Dwight Howard
Yao Ming
Dwyane Wade
Amare
Steve Nash
Paul Peirce
Carmelo
T-Mac
Bosh
Pau
Boozer

[StroShow4]

LeBron James/Tim Duncan
LeBron James/Tim Duncan


you have to make a final decision or else i can't count your vote. sorry.

[Carbine]

Flip a coin. If it's tails Lebron is #2.

[NY Comeback]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3. LeBron James
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dwight Howard
6. Tim Duncan
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Paul Pierce
9. Deron Williams
10. Chris Bosh

11. Dirk Nowitzki
12. Allen Iverson
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Steve Nash
15. Baron Davis
16. Carmelo Anthony
17. David West
18. Manu Ginobili
19. Antawn Jamison
20. Hedo Turkoglu(That's right)

[StroShow4]

this part is simple for me..
stromile swift
lebron james
kobe bryant
tim duncan
chris paul
kevin garnett


now it gets tough..

paul pierce
dwight howard
amare stoudemire
carmelo anthony
deron williams
t-mac
manu ginobili
yao ming (had to factor in the injury)
dirk nowitzki
baron davis
steve nash
dwyane wade (had to factor in the injuries and his terrible ass team)
chris bosh
carlos boozer
allen iverson



i might have to come back and edit.

[SCY]

it really amazes me how vastly overrated swingmen are. the fact that so many of these lists contain numerous swingmen like tmac, butler, pierce, vince, wade, joe johnson, etc, in one top 20 list just astonishes me. swingmen dont win u championships, they just sell jerseys.

Most of the big men on your list won't win one either. Sure, when you're talking elite talents, take the big men. But Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Pau, Big Z are not going to win you anything more than T-Mac or other swings as the #1 player.

LL4L

[stewen12]

1. Kobe Bryant- Can dominate any game vs any player at any time
2. Lebron James- Best stats in NBA
3. Chris Paul- 21 and 11 and leading the league in steals
4. Tim Duncan- Fundamentals
5. Dwyane Wade- underated because of injury still a top 5 player
6. Deron Williams- slightly lesser version of Paul
7. Kevin Garnett- feel that he is overated. Mayb its cause i hate him :confusedshrug:
8. Dwight Howard- Most dominate center. around 20 ppg and 15 rebs
9. Amare Stoudamire- With Shaq put up crazy stats. 08/09 stats 30ppg 12 re
10. Yao Ming- Dominate stats. 2nd best center in the NBA
11. Dirk- Stats speak for them self
12. Tracey McGrady- lead his team to over 20 wins
13. Allen Iverson- very unknown stats. Around 28 ppg and 7 ast
14. Carmelo- Great inside and outside game
15. Brandon Roy- Almost lead his team to the playoffs. Shows in the future that they will dominate
16. Baron Davis- a top 3 point guard
17. Chris Bosh- lead toronto to the playoffs
18. Manu- Put up great stats off the bench. 6th man
19. Paul Pierce- Great stats helped KG to bring Boston to the best record
20. Al Jefferson- Perhaps the most underated players. 22ppg and 11 rebs




21. Chris Quinn- lead the dominate heat when he was the only player left :oldlol:

[Carbine]

Dwyane Wade has really become underrated. This guy led his team as a guard to a ring, that hasn't been done since Jordan was in the league. He's the ONLY guard in the past 10 years to win a title as the first option and be the Finals MVP. Going back in history only four other guards have accomplished that.

Jordan
Isiah
Barry
Magic

Yet I see people leave him out of the top ten, and even top fifteen players in the league? Last time I checked he was still young and not over-the-hill.

[StroShow4]

This guy led his team as a guard to a ring, that hasn't been done since Jordan was in the league.

jordan didn't have shaq. shaq may have been declining, but shaq is shaq. he deserves some credit.

[embersyc]

Dwyane Wade has really become underrated. This guy led his team as a guard to a ring, that hasn't been done since Jordan was in the league. He's the ONLY guard in the past 10 years to win a title as the first option and be the Finals MVP. Going back in history only four other guards have accomplished that.

Jordan
Isiah
Barry
Magic

Yet I see people leave him out of the top ten, and even top fifteen players in the league? Last time I checked he was still young and not over-the-hill.

Billups?

No I agree with you tho, I know the Heat had a terrible season and Wade is maybe showing some injury-proneness so I think that has a lot to do with it, but I guarantee NOBODY wants to be facing a Wade-led team in the playoffs.

[Carbine]

No doubt. Did I say Wade did it all by himself? That's what I thought.

Fact remains, Wade led his team to the ring as the number one guy. Shaq helped, obviously, but this wasn't the same Shaq we all remember. Shaq had six 20/10 games in the playoffs that year out of 23 games. He was out-played by Haslem in the finals.

[Carbine]

Billups?

Billups won the Finals MVP award, but he wasn't clearly their best player. You had Rasheed Wallace & a prime Ben Wallace who were in the conversation as most important to that particular team.

[Poseidon]

1. Kobe Bryant




2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Deron Williams
4. Tim Duncan
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Steve Nash
8. Allen Iverson
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Baron Davis
11. Tony Parker
12. Caron Butler
13. Dwyane Wade
14. Lamarcus Aldridge
15. Kevin Garnett
16. Al Jefferson
17. Chris Paul
18. Dwight Howard
19. Paul Pierce
20. LeBron James

[Brunch@Five]

Boy, I've seen it all now. Even after Duncan puts up two big-time playoff series in these playoffs (to go along with past numerous ones, to go along with championships) while leading his team to the WCF, Dirk is somehow still rated higher in your eyes? Even after Dirk losing his last three playoff series?

We all know you don't like Tim. Nobody said you have to like the guy, but be reasonable and try not to let your hate towards him make you look small.

Dirk better than Duncan? Are you kidding me?

I rate offense a little higher than you. In your eyes Duncan can do no wrong, no matter how much is offense blows (.425 from the field and .590 from the line against LA, about the same against New Orleans, and .450 for the whole playoffs)
Who's kidding whom? Don't act like you're any more reasonable than I am.

[Gevz2kX]

1. Kobe Bryant




2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Deron Williams
4. Tim Duncan
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Steve Nash
8. Allen Iverson
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Baron Davis
11. Tony Parker
12. Caron Butler
13. Dwyane Wade
14. Lamarcus Aldridge
15. Kevin Garnett
16. Al Jefferson
17. Chris Paul
18. Dwight Howard
19. Paul Pierce
20. LeBron James

bold ones indicate too low, too high, and "what's he doing here?"

[StroShow4]

2. Amare Stoudemire

14. Lamarcus Aldridge
15. Kevin Garnett

20. LeBron James


pass whatever it is that you're smoking :hammerhead:

[Poseidon]

pass whatever it is that you're smoking :hammerhead:

Not smoking anything. The purpose of my list is to provide BLANCE to the final rankings. For every idiot who put LeBron, KG, Dwight, Paul at the #1 spot or above Kobe Bryant.....I bring the value of their moronic vote down. It's quite simple actually. :oldlol:

[StroShow4]

Not smoking anything. The purpose of my list is to provide BLANCE to the final rankings. For every idiot who put LeBron, KG, Dwight, Paul at the #1 spot or above Kobe Bryant.....I bring the value of their moronic vote down. It's quite simple actually. :oldlol:

why include lamarcus aldridge? and why amare at #2?

[Poseidon]

why include lamarcus aldridge? and why amare at #2?

I like those players. To be honest with you, after the #1 selection (Kobe).....it doesn't really matter. The gap between 1 and 2 is immense.

[statman32]

why include lamarcus aldridge? and why amare at #2?
To make up for Gasol being ahead of Amare. :oldlol:

[dwight20-20]

too late to vote?

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. LeBron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Deron Williams
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Dwight Howard
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Carmelo Anthony
11. Tracy McGrady
12. Yao Ming
13. Tony Parker
14. Steve Nash
15. Allen Iverson
16. Chris Bosh
17. Paul Pierce
18. Manu Ginobili
19. Dwyane Wade(injuries, team record)
20. Baron Davis

I guess that's my list. That was really hard

[juju151111]

1. Kobe Bryant




2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Deron Williams
4. Tim Duncan
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Steve Nash
8. Allen Iverson
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Baron Davis
11. Tony Parker
12. Caron Butler
13. Dwyane Wade
14. Lamarcus Aldridge
15. Kevin Garnett
16. Al Jefferson
17. Chris Paul
18. Dwight Howard
19. Paul Pierce
20. LeBron James
Do u think before any of ur post?u post so much nonsense it's hard to believe u have eyes.

[StroShow4]

for those of you wondering if it's too late to vote, it certainly is not. i'm going to let this go for atleast a few days.

[Poseidon]

To make up for Gasol being ahead of Amare. :oldlol:

What? Did someone actually rank Pau Gasoft aka the Human Charmin Roll above Amare? :oldlol:

[starface]

4 Dirk Nowitzki
5 Tim Duncan



:cletus

[CaNt Be ToUcHeD]

1-cp3
2-lbj
3-kobe
4-dwight
5-duncan
6-ginobli
7-deron williams
8-garnett
9-parker
10-west
11-nash
12-carmelo
13-dirk
14-rip
15-yao
16-iverson
17-gasol
18-billups
19-boozer
20-kevin martin

[ACCBaller1403]

1.LeBron James
2.Kobe Bryant
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Dirk Nowitzki
7.Dwight Howard
8.Deron Williams
9.Yao Ming
10.Dwyane Wade
11.Steve Nash
12.Amare Stoudemire
13.Paul Pierce
14.Gilbert Arenas
15.Tracy McGrady
16.Chris Bosh
17.Carmelo Anthony
18.Baron Davis
19.Manu Ginobli
20.Carlos Boozer

Edit: Forgot Ginobli...knocks Caron off the list

[elementally morale]

Based on 2007-2008 and assuming everyone is healthy. Selections based on (not merely statistical) output, not potential or past accolades.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Deron Williams
6. Chris Paul
7. Yao Ming
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Dwight Howard
11. Steve Nash
12. Manu Ginobili
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Dwyane Wade
15. Chris Bosh
16. Paul Pierce
17. Baron Davis
18. David West
19. Allen Iverson
20. Chauncey Billups

[evinecz]

My list:

1.Kobe Bryant
2.Lebron James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Dwight Howard
6.Deron Williams
7.Allen Iverson
8.Dirk Nowitzki
9.Amare Stoudamire
10.Kevin Garnett
11.Steve Nash
12.Tracy Mcgrady
13.Carmelo Anthony
14.Yao Ming
15.Paul Pierce
16.Pau Gasol
17.Vince Carter
18.Jason Kidd
19.Dwayne Wade
20.Baron Davis

[mswank]

1. kobe bryant
2. lebron james
3. chris paul
4. deron williams
5. tim duncan
6. kevin garnett
7. dirk nowitzki
8. steve nash
9. allen iverson
10. amare stoudemire
11. yao ming
12. dwight howard
13. manu ginobili
14. gilbert arenas
15. dwayne wade
16. brandon roy
17. paul pierce
18. baron davis
19. joe johnson
20. monta ellis

[TruthKGRay3412]

My list

1.Kevin Garnett
2.LeBrick James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Paul Pierce
6.Dwyane Wade
7.Dwight Howard
8.Deron Williams
9.Yao Ming
10.Dick Nowitzki
11.Steve Nash
12.Amare Stoudemire
13.Allen Iverson
14.Gilbert Arenas
15.Baron Davis
16.Chris Bosh
17.Carmelo Anthony
18.Tracy McGrady
19.Manu Ginobli
20.Carlos Boozer

[evinecz]

My list

1.Kevin Garnett
2.LeBrick James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Paul Pierce
6.Dwyane Wade
7.Dwight Howard
8.Deron Williams
9.Yao Ming
10.Dick Nowitzki
11.Steve Nash
12.Amare Stoudemire
13.Allen Iverson
14.Gilbert Arenas
15.Baron Davis
16.Chris Bosh
17.Carmelo Anthony
18.Tracy McGrady
19.Manu Ginobli
20.Carlos Boozer
:roll:

[TruthKGRay3412]

:roll:

I left Kobe out for a reason..that peice of crap ******!@!

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/2/a/f/2af3c7c2cb82c2e522e3612774edd4ed.jpg

[Myth]

Had it been before the playoffs he would have had Ray Allen at #12 as well.

Edit: OMFG! I didn't realize Kobe wasn't even on there. LOL!

[ShowTime LA]

1. Kobe Bryant









2. Tim Duncan
3. Lebron James
4. Deron Williams
5. Chris Paul
6. Dwayne Wade
7. Amare Stoudamire
8. Dwight Howards
9. Dirk Nowitski
10. Steve Nash
11. Tracey McGrady
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Manu Ginobili
14. Chris Bosh
15. Baron Davis
16. David West
17. Pau Gasol
18. Paul Pierece
19. Allen Iverson
20. Yao Ming

[Myth]

I left Kobe out for a reason... I'm a homer.

fixed.

[TruthKGRay3412]

fixed.

:banana: BEAT LA! BEAT LA! BEAT LA!

[Myth]

1. Kobe Bryant









2. Tim Duncan
3. Lebron James
4. Deron Williams
5. Chris Paul
6. Dwayne Wade
7. Amare Stoudamire
8. Dwight Howards
9. Dirk Nowitski
10. Steve Nash
11. Tracey McGrady
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Manu Ginobili
14. Chris Bosh
15. Baron Davis
16. David West
17. Pau Gasol
18. Paul Pierece
19. Allen Iverson
20. Yao Ming


Man, this is getting ridiculous watching Laker homers and Celtic homers leaving Kobe and Garnett off top 20 lists, respectively.

[ShowTime LA]

Man, this is getting ridiculous watching Laker homers and Celtic homers leaving Kobe and Garnett off top 20 lists, respectively.
I'll add Garnett when he stops farting on the court.

[Myth]

Not smoking anything. The purpose of my list is to provide BLANCE to the final rankings. For every idiot who put LeBron, KG, Dwight, Paul at the #1 spot or above Kobe Bryant.....I bring the value of their moronic vote down. It's quite simple actually. :oldlol:

Can we disregard posts that are insanely bias and only use the realistic/only partially bias posts in creating the final list? PLEASE!

[statman32]

Can we disregard posts that are insanely bias and only use the realistic/only partially bias posts in creating the final list? PLEASE!
Fine with me but make sure to discard Emiles rankings too. :)

[3stat2]

lol Stro, good idea, but I don't think you're going to end up with a very good list.

With all the homers leaving people off/putting hated players last, Kobe/KG/CP3/Lebron are going to end up in the middle of the list, and number 1 will be someone very few people hate, like Dwight Howard.

[Myth]

Fine with me but make sure to discard Emiles rankings too. :)

I'm trying to figure out what is so terrible with Emiles'? Is it because he left off Iverson?

[statman32]

I'm trying to figure out what is so terrible with Emiles'? Is it because he left off Iverson?
Gasol and Artest over Amare. :oldlol:

[TruthKGRay3412]

Gasol and Artest over Amare. :oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol:

If the Lakers had amare..I dont even think I could pick Boston over them.

[Myth]

Gasol and Artest over Amare. :oldlol:

Yeah, thats pretty bad. Still not as blatant as some of these other ones though. Shouldn't have a huge impact on the final list.

[statman32]

Yeah, thats pretty bad. Still not as blatant as some of these other ones though. Shouldn't have a huge impact on the final list.
No its not as bad as leaving some of these guys off but its still shows a lot of bias. I say leave everyones list like it is but remove a players 2 highest rankings and 2 lowest rankings or no rank from the final count.

That will help eliminate those crazy votes.

[shrempf_on_rice]

Is it too late to vote? If not here's my list

1. Kobe
2. CP
3. Lebron
4. KG
5. Duncan
6. Amare
7. Dwight Howard
8. Paul Pierce
10. Nash
11. Deron
12. Manu
13. TMac
14. Iverson
15. BDavis

[Rocker09]

Damn 20 is too much IMO, anyways (This list doesn't mean these players are my favorite----this list is based on they're 07-08 performance)

1. Kobe
2. Lebron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwight Howard
5. Tim Duncan
6. Deron Williams
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Amare
10. Allen Iverson
11. Carmelo
12. Nash
13. Bosh
14. Caron Butler
15. Iguodala
16. Joe Johnson
17. T-Mac
18. Rip Hamilton
19. Pau Gasol
20. Paul Pierce

***If you noticed, I based my selection on the teams that made the playoff only***

[Emile]

Why is Gasol/Artest over Amare so controversial? :confusedshrug:
It's not as if I picked someone of Luke Walton's caliber and said they're better than Amare. I honstly feel that way. It's an opinion. I also feel a healthy JO although I know that's been an oxymoron for some time is better than Amare as well.
I just feel Amare is vastly overrated. That is all.
I could be wrong..yes I could...but it's how I feel. I just really dislike Amare's game. Is that such a crime?

It might be a bad ranking overall but it is how I feel, it's pretty sincere.

Just a year or two ago, people were calling Artest a top 10, if not top 5 two way player in the NBA. I still do think he's that damn good, just hadn't had a chance to excel....anywhere.
As for Pau...no, it's not a Laker thing but it's a thing for a player who I feel is very underrated vs a player who I feel is very overrated (Amare).

Amare doesn't come off as a game winner to me. That is all. His game is full of holes, he's hardly a presence IMO and what he basically does well is score. But that doesn't command that 1st option of a great team type of a respect nor do I see him that impactful.
Compare him for example to Elton Brand of 04-05 or JO of 03-04. Now they were complete players at the time with similar numbers.
Holding down the defense, leading the way on offense, having their presence be a factor etc..I just don't think Amare is that caliber of a player.
And damn, I better not even try to include Parker/Manu in the list because it will get even more controversial.

Besides Amare, I also didn't include Iverson and Arenas. Feeling the same thing about the two of them. It's an opinion. Why would I hate any of them?
They just don't strike me as impact players. I see them more as stat people. Is that wrong? Unknowledgeable? Dunno.

[statman32]

Yes it is wrong and writing 4 paragraphs trying to explain it is also wrong considering its only a feeling. You ignore the better stats, more impressive player, more DOMINANT player just because of a feeling you have. Great logic. :oldlol:

Its also a Lakers thing and dont try and justify it. If Gasol was still in Memphis your mouth would be shut. Writing more garbage trying to deny it will only make you look weaker. Even people who valued your opinion are noticing you slipping.

[Emile]

Yes it is wrong and writing 4 paragraphs trying to explain it is also wrong considering its only a feeling. You ignore the better stats, more impressive player, more DOMINANT player just because of a feeling you have. Great logic. :oldlol:

Perhaps you're right. I do trust my instincts quite a bit. Better stats, yeah I do ignore. Stats mean nothing to me. They leave out the most important parts.
For example, Dwight Howard this year averaged much better numbers than Tim Duncan. But you gotta document how he got there and by doing what. Include all those little things into the equation, fundamentals, bball IQ, intangibles..and it's not even close. Most things that don't get shown on the stat sheet are probably just as valuable, if not more.

Ok, let me ask you something..

Do you see Amare as a go to guy? Playing the role of Elton Brand in 04/05 for example? You think he's that good? Because there's a world of difference between putting up offensive stats in an offensive system and actually controlling the game for your team, with that same offense, defense, all the little things...being the first guy to receive a pass in half court set and allowing your team to run the offense from there..

You see Amare as capable of doing those things? I'm not saying he's not but I personally don't. As I said, I see him as an offensive scoring machine but just not THAT guy...Kinda the same how I felt on Dwight Howard this year when people started comparing him to Duncans, Garnetts and others due to his superior stats.

[Silverbullit]

Now here are the results of the Silverbullit's jury:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Chris Paul
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Kevin Garnett
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Steve Nash
11. Allen Iverson
12. Chris Bosh
13. Carmelo Anthony
14. Tracy McGrady
15. Yao Ming
16. Paul Pierce
17. Antawn Jamison
18. Chauncey Billups
19. Caron Butler
20. Jason Kidd

[statman32]

Yes I see him doing that and getting better each year like he has and so does Steve Kerr which is a big reason for a lot of the conflict between him and Dantoni. Not many players in the league have Amares attitude where he can take over a game at any time on both ends. Amare has ALOT of work on the defensive end of his game but I've seen him step that up when he needs to at the end of games. With more work in the off-season he WILL become a better defender and his offenseive game will also improve with Kerr wanting to get him the ball more with his back to the basket.

Does Amare make stupid mistakes occasionally? Yes but every young player does. Is his passing SUPERB? No but I think hes a very capable passer now. This year watching him really showed that. He was just not in the position enough to make plays for others because he rarely got the ball compared to other superstar players. I blame Dantoni for that because Dantoni didnt worry about getting the hot man the ball and instead relied on the balls energy.

Amare has overcome everything in his career and life. People doubted him after he went through with the microfracture surgury and he came back a better player. He'll do the same now to show he can lead a team. It might take a couple years before he leads them far but thats only becuase the pieces around him are aging dramatically.

[elementally morale]

Yes it is wrong and writing 4 paragraphs trying to explain it is also wrong considering its only a feeling. You ignore the better stats, more impressive player, more DOMINANT player just because of a feeling you have. Great logic. :oldlol:

Its also a Lakers thing and dont try and justify it. If Gasol was still in Memphis your mouth would be shut. Writing more garbage trying to deny it will only make you look weaker. Even people who valued your opinion are noticing you slipping.

Amare is easily a top 15 player (I have him in the top10 but I think it's at least debatable, top15 however is not) and Pau Gasol may be a top20 talent but he hasn't played like a top20 player this season. Top 25-30 is my guess based on this last year. Maybe top25 if I want to stretch it.

[loot]

Now here are the results of the Silverbullit's jury:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Chris Paul
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Kevin Garnett
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Steve Nash
11. Allen Iverson
12. Chris Bosh
13. Carmelo Anthony
14. Tracy McGrady
15. Yao Ming
16. Paul Pierce
17. Antawn Jamison
18. Chauncey Billups
19. Caron Butler
20. Jason Kidd


Where are Wade and Brand?

[Myth]

Where are Wade and Brand?

Maybe he was only counting this year.

[Manute for Ever!]

Of course that's BS, those are blue colored guys.
All of those players would make my top 15 list, but Gasol might sneak in there to round off the top 20 for me.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Sorry, I only got to here in the thread and had to reply, so sorry if this was pointed out. I think you meant "collar"

http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/images-lib-mytrips-boston-2007-bluemangroup.jpg

[go-lakers]

This thread sounds fun. :D

1. kobe bryant
2. lebron james
3. chris paul
4. tim duncan
5. kevin garnett
6. dwight howard
7. dirk nowitski
8. steve nash
9. deron williams
10. dwyane wade
11. yao ming
12. manu ginobli
13. allen iverson
14. paul pierce
15. amare stoudamire
16. tracy mcgrady
17. carmelo anthony
18. chauncey billups
19. richard hamiliton
20. tony parker

No Gilbert or Brand or whoever due to injuries.

[fos]

1 Lebron James
2 Chris Paul
3 Dirk Nowitzki
4 Carmelo Anthony
5 Amare
6 Steve Nash
7 Yao Ming
8 Dwight Howard
9 Deron Williams
10 Allen Iverson
11 Kevin Garnett
12 Tim Duncan
13 Dwayne Wade
14 Carlos Boozer
15 David West
16 Richard Hamilton
17 Baron Davis
18 Monte Ellis
19 Pau Gasol
20 Kobe Bryant

How about that Poseidon?

[loot]

Maybe he was only counting this year.


whoa my bad, thought this was about next season.

[~LA's fine$t~]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Sorry, I only got to here in the thread and had to reply, so sorry if this was pointed out. I think you meant "collar"

http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/images-lib-mytrips-boston-2007-bluemangroup.jpg

Yep, thanks for correcting me. Hardly ever review my posts before submitting.

[Myth]

whoa my bad, thought this was about next season.

I wasn't saying you misinterpreted the task, because it seems as if everybody is taking a different approach. Some are doing who they think is the best in order, some are doing who did best this last season, at least you (if not more) were doing who will be best next season, and then we have morons rearranging their list in a way so that "their player" gets good positioning on the final list and they ignore writing a realistic list. I considered yours realistic.

[Manute for Ever!]

Yep, thanks for correcting me. Hardly ever review my posts before submitting.

:cheers: Me either, I just thought it was funny

[~LA's fine$t~]

Anyways here is my list:

1. Kobe Bryant (#1 SG)
2. LeBron James (#1 SF)
3. Chris Paul (#1 OG)
4. Kevin Garnett (#1 PF)
5. Tim Duncan (#1 C)
6. Dwight Howard (#2 C)
7. Deron Williams (#2 PG)
8. Amare Stoudemire (#2 PF)
9. Dirk Nowitzki (#3 PF)
10. Yao Ming (#3 C) ** I believe is slightly better then Howard, but injuries is the reason I place him lower **
11. Steve Nash (#3 PG)
12. Carmelo Anthony (#2 SF)
13. Manu Ginobilli (#2 SG) ** Don't take his play-offs under consideration, I know he was hurting **
14. Chris Bosh (#4 PF)
15. Paul Pierce (#3 SF)
16. Allen Iverson (#3 SG)
17. Baron Davis (#4 PG)
18. Brandon Roy (#4 SG)
19. Al Jefferson (#4 C)
20. Tracy McGrady (#5 SG)

Wade and Arenas missed my cut because they weren't healthy, same with Elton Brand.

After doing some research, I actually realize how much a guy like McGrady has slipped on my list. He really didn't have that great of a season (21 points on near 20 shots), shooting 40% is very disappointing for a guy that used to be on Kobe's tier.

[GMW]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
4. Tim Duncan
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Amare Stoudemire
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Manu Ginobili
11. Paul Pierce
12. Yao Ming
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Dwyane Wade
15. Chris Bosh
16. David West
17. Baron Davis
18. Allen Iverson
19. Carmelo Anthony
20. Chauncey Billups

[Wozza_wade]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
4. Tim Duncan
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Dwight Howard
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Deron Williams
9. Yao Ming
10. Dwyane Wade
11. Paul Pierce
12. Tracy McGrady
13. Manu Ginobili
14. Chris Bosh
15. David West
16. Baron Davis
17. Allen Iverson
18. Elton Brand
19. Al Jefferson
20. Steve Nash

[Jailblazers7]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Chris Paul
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Dwight Howard
8. Deron Williams
9. Yao Ming
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11. Tracy McGrady
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Allen Iverson
14. Paul Pierce
15. Chris Bosh
16. Steve Nash
17. Baron Davis
18. Caron Butler
19. Brandon Roy
20. Joe Johnson

[embersyc]

Don't worry so much about idiot voters it will balance out in the end. Although the list I'm sure will show some Laker/Celtic bias, it's to be expected right now since the list is being made in anticipation of a Laker/Celtics final and there are just more Laker/Celtic fans on the board right now.

Discussion is always good, but asking the vote counter to use his own bias to eliminate bad votes is not a good thing, especially in a democratic society.

[GMW]

Discussion is always good, but asking the vote counter to use his own bias to eliminate bad votes is not a good thing, especially in a democratic society.
that's true, but we could easily take out everyone who has Kobe as number 1 and Lebron as number 20 (or not in the list at all), and vice versa. You can't tell me that there is anyone who actually believes that to be correct.

Obviously the problem is where to draw the line... so I guess you have a point.

[StroShow4]

that's true, but we could easily take out everyone who has Kobe as number 1 and Lebron as number 20 (or not in the list at all), and vice versa. You can't tell me that there is anyone who actually believes that to be correct.

Obviously the problem is where to draw the line... so I guess you have a point.

i would agree that anyone who has lebron/kobe/garnett below #5 has an agenda, obviously, but there's really not much i can do about it.

[berraco]

1 Kobe Bryant
2 Chris Paul
3 Lebron James
4 Kevin Garnett
5 Tim Duncan
6 Deron Williams
7 Dwight Howard
8 Amare
9 Dirk Nowitzki
10 Iverson
11 Carlos Boozer
12 Steve Nash
13 Manu Ginobili
14 Paul Pierce
15 Billups
16 Brandon Roy
17 Baron Davis
18 Chris Bosh
19 Rip Hamilton
20 T-Mac

Wow, it was really difficult... In ten minutes i will be changing my mind about 10 or twelve...

[omarnyc]

Why is Gasol/Artest over Amare so controversial? :confusedshrug:
It's not as if I picked someone of Luke Walton's caliber and said they're better than Amare. I honstly feel that way. It's an opinion. I also feel a healthy JO although I know that's been an oxymoron for some time is better than Amare as well.
I just feel Amare is vastly overrated. That is all.
I could be wrong..yes I could...but it's how I feel. I just really dislike Amare's game. Is that such a crime?

It might be a bad ranking overall but it is how I feel, it's pretty sincere.

Just a year or two ago, people were calling Artest a top 10, if not top 5 two way player in the NBA. I still do think he's that damn good, just hadn't had a chance to excel....anywhere.
As for Pau...no, it's not a Laker thing but it's a thing for a player who I feel is very underrated vs a player who I feel is very overrated (Amare).

Amare doesn't come off as a game winner to me. That is all. His game is full of holes, he's hardly a presence IMO and what he basically does well is score. But that doesn't command that 1st option of a great team type of a respect nor do I see him that impactful.
Compare him for example to Elton Brand of 04-05 or JO of 03-04. Now they were complete players at the time with similar numbers.
Holding down the defense, leading the way on offense, having their presence be a factor etc..I just don't think Amare is that caliber of a player.
And damn, I better not even try to include Parker/Manu in the list because it will get even more controversial.

Besides Amare, I also didn't include Iverson and Arenas. Feeling the same thing about the two of them. It's an opinion. Why would I hate any of them?
They just don't strike me as impact players. I see them more as stat people. Is that wrong? Unknowledgeable? Dunno.


you gotta factor in that amare has been playing center his entire career while elton brand has been in his natural position.not alot of pf's can step in and play center for 6 seasons. yeah his defense was suspect going up against bigger players , but now we get to see him at pf for a whole season and in a new system. i dont see how you can say amare dont have a presence when he always steps his game up in the playoffs, you may not feel his presence but i guarantee you the spurs wasnt sad when he got suspended last year.

[gpfanz]

My top 10 probably look somehting like this :rockon:

1. Chris Paul
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Manu Ginobili
4. Tim Duncan
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Steve Nash
7. Amare Stoudemire
8. Deron Williams
9. Yao Ming
10. Dwyane Wade

[Junny]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Kevin Garnett
3. LeBron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Caron Butler
9. Antawn Jamison
10.Baron Davis
11.Manu Ginobili
12.Paul Pierce
13.Brandon Roy
14.Chris Bosh
15.Steve Nash
16.Dirk Nowitzki
17.Amare Stoudemire
18.Yao Ming
19.David West
20.Hedo Turkoglu

Man, I'm not even remotely sure about my votes past the top 7. The next 13 players are extremely difficult to rank, every time I look at this I think the bottom 13 needs to be switched around. I'll probably end up editing my vote about a million times.

[SuperLopez]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Kevin Garnett
3. LeBron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Caron Butler
9. Antawn Jamison
10.Baron Davis
11.Manu Ginobili
12.Paul Pierce
13.Brandon Roy
14.Chris Bosh
15.Steve Nash
16.Dirk Nowitzki
17.Amare Stoudemire
18.Yao Ming
19.David West
20.Hedo Turkoglu

Man, I'm not even remotely sure about my votes past the top 7. The next 13 players are extremely difficult to rank, every time I look at this I think the bottom 13 needs to be switched around. I'll probably end up editing my vote about a million times.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol

[Junny]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol

That funny eh? :oldlol:

OK fine suggest something instead of just laughing

[SuperLopez]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Kevin Garnett-Down, never over Duncan
3. LeBron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Caron Butler
9. Antawn Jamison-Out,
10.Baron Davis
11.Manu Ginobili
12.Paul Pierce
13.Brandon Roy
14.Chris Bosh-Out or 18,19,20
15.Steve Nash-Up
16.Dirk Nowitzki-Up, over Manu at least
17.Amare Stoudemire
18.Yao Ming-Up
19.David West-Out
20.Hedo Turkoglu-Out

Man, I'm not even remotely sure about my votes past the top 7. The next 13 players are extremely difficult to rank, every time I look at this I think the bottom 13 needs to be switched around. I'll probably end up editing my vote about a million times.

[brantonli]

That funny eh? :oldlol:

OK fine suggest something instead of just laughing


Could you explain why you think Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are better than Baron Davis, Manu Ginobili (6th man), Paul Pierce, Roy (ROY), Bosh, Steve Nash (MVP), Nowitzki (MVP), Stoudemire, Yao, West, Turkoglu (MIP), Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson?

[SuperLopez]

Could you explain why you think Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are better than Baron Davis, Manu Ginobili (6th man), Paul Pierce, Roy (ROY), Bosh, Steve Nash (MVP), Nowitzki (MVP), Stoudemire, Yao, West, Turkoglu (MIP), Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson?
:applause:

+100

[plat1numX]

People need to learn to accept other peoples opinions...

[Junny]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Kevin Garnett-Down, never over Duncan
3. LeBron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Caron Butler
9. Antawn Jamison-Out,
10.Baron Davis
11.Manu Ginobili
12.Paul Pierce
13.Brandon Roy
14.Chris Bosh-Out or 18,19,20
15.Steve Nash-Up
16.Dirk Nowitzki-Up, over Manu at least
17.Amare Stoudemire
18.Yao Ming-Up
19.David West-Out
20.Hedo Turkoglu-Out

Man, I'm not even remotely sure about my votes past the top 7. The next 13 players are extremely difficult to rank, every time I look at this I think the bottom 13 needs to be switched around. I'll probably end up editing my vote about a million times.

That's not that bad. I thought I was gonna have to do some major reshuffling, knock 10 players out and bring 10 new players in.

[Junny]

Could you explain why you think Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are better than Baron Davis, Manu Ginobili (6th man), Paul Pierce, Roy (ROY), Bosh, Steve Nash (MVP), Nowitzki (MVP), Stoudemire, Yao, West, Turkoglu (MIP), Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson?

:oldlol: Coz I'm an idiot :hammerhead:

What the phuck are they doing up there?

Yeah whatever, it's only my 1st draft. Keep 'em coming, I'm not finished with the editing of my vote yet (or at least until I can't be bothered any more which might be very quick since I'm a lazy kunt)

[SuperLopez]

People need to learn to accept other peoples opinions...

Kwame Brown>>>>>>>>Kobe.

[Rekindled]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Kevin Garnett-Down, never over Duncan
3. LeBron James
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Deron Williams
7. Dwight Howard
8. Caron Butler
9. Antawn Jamison-Out,
10.Baron Davis
11.Manu Ginobili
12.Paul Pierce
13.Brandon Roy
14.Chris Bosh-Out or 18,19,20
15.Steve Nash-Up
16.Dirk Nowitzki-Up, over Manu at least
17.Amare Stoudemire
18.Yao Ming-Up
19.David West-Out
20.Hedo Turkoglu-Out

Man, I'm not even remotely sure about my votes past the top 7. The next 13 players are extremely difficult to rank, every time I look at this I think the bottom 13 needs to be switched around. I'll probably end up editing my vote about a million times.


Dirk averages 4 more points and 6 more minutes than manu... even lebron averages 10 more points and 10 minutes. Manu= one of the most efficient.

and why is turk in top 20 lmao

[Junny]

Yeah whatever, I've lost interest. Have fun voting guys. :sleeping

[starface]

can someone please explain the argument to me why they think bryant > duncan?

[Bond007]

starface to most knowledgable people thats pretty common sense.....ask tim's teamates :D

[starface]

starface to most knowledgable people thats pretty common sense.....ask tim's teamates :D


so explain it to me then

[ShowTime LA]

can someone please explain the argument to me why they think bryant > duncan?
Ask his coach.

[sammdogg]

My list

1.Kevin Garnett
2.LeBrick James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Paul Pierce
6.Dwyane Wade
7.Dwight Howard
8.Deron Williams
9.Yao Ming
10.Dick Nowitzki
11.Steve Nash
12.Amare Stoudemire
13.Allen Iverson
14.Gilbert Arenas
15.Baron Davis
16.Chris Bosh
17.Carmelo Anthony
18.Tracy McGrady
19.Manu Ginobli
20.Carlos Boozer
you forgot Kobe at the top of your list!:hammerhead:

[KNOW1EDGE]

can someone please explain the argument to me why they think bryant > duncan?

If you really need that explained to you then you should probably take a serious look at getting some meds, or stop drinking.

[sammdogg]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
4. Dwight Howard
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Steve Nash
8. Deron Williams
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Chris Bosh
11. Dirk
12. Allen Iverson
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Carmelo Anthony
15. Baron Davis
16. Yao Ming
17. Paul Pierce
18. Carlos Boozer
19. Gilbert Arenas
20. Pau Gasol

[StroShow4]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
4. Dwight Howard
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Steve Nash
8. Deron Williams
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Chris Bosh

i need the entire 20 or your votes wont count.

[Cratos]

1. Kobe Bryant




2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Deron Williams
4. Tim Duncan
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Steve Nash
8. Allen Iverson
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Baron Davis
11. Tony Parker
12. Caron Butler
13. Dwyane Wade
14. Lamarcus Aldridge
15. Kevin Garnett
16. Al Jefferson
17. Chris Paul
18. Dwight Howard
19. Paul Pierce
20. LeBron James
:oldlol: what a hater.

[Cratos]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Tim Duncan
5. Deron Williams
6. Steve Nash
7. Yao Ming
8. Amare Stoudemire
9. Kevin Garnett
9. Dwight Howar
10. Paul Pierce
11. Allen Iverson
12. Tracy McGrady
13. Manu Ginobli
14. Tony Parker
15. Carmelo Anthony
16. Baron Davis
17. Dwyane Wade
18. Carlos Boozer
19. Caron Butler
20. Brandon Roy

[JohnRuck]

its hard to believe you guys are forgetting about david west and manu ginobli

[Finn T-Mac]

1. Lebron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Chris Paul
4. Amare Stoudemire
5. Tim Duncan
6. Dwight Howard
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Allen Iverson
9. Baron Davis
10. Deron Williams
11. Dwayne Wade (could be higher if played more)
12. Tracy McGrady
13. Dirk Nowitzki
14. Chris Bosh
15. Chancey Billubs
16. Yao Ming
17. Paul Pierce
18. Steve Nash
19. Josh Smith
20. Carmelo Anthony

Notables (alphabet): Carlos Boozer, Caron Butler, Marcus Camby, Manu Ginobili, Andre Iguodala, Joe Johnson, Hedo Turkoglu.

[starface]

too many people sleep on zydrunas ilgauskus

dude is 7'3, has a sweet midrange jumper, and is arguably the best offensive rebounder in the game. dude manages to impress despite having the worst offensive coach/system in the league. imagine if his coach knew how to use him.

ur tellin me you'd take a swingman like caron butler or joe johnson over that?

:rolleyes:

[thedream]

1.kobe
2.chris paul
3.garnett
4.duncan
5.mcgrady
6.lebron
7.dwight
8.yao
9.amare
10.dirk
11.brandon roy
12.deron
13.nash
14.iverson
15.parker
16.paul pierce
17.bosh
18.billups
19.caron
20.anthony

[Finn T-Mac]

After posting my own list, I've been looking others lists. Wasn't this supposed to be for this season and after looking those lists. People just concentrate on offense, cause how can you put Tony Parker, Steve Nash and Melo at the top, even when they don't do nothing on defense. Still I'm not saying my list is perfect...

[GMW]

too many people sleep on zydrunas ilgauskus

dude is 7'3, has a sweet midrange jumper, and is arguably the best offensive rebounder in the game. dude manages to impress despite having the worst offensive coach/system in the league. imagine if his coach knew how to use him.

ur tellin me you'd take a swingman like caron butler or joe johnson over that?

:rolleyes:
Why are you crying about everyone's list? :rolleyes:

You have Kobe at 6, you really shouldn't be talking.

[Poormansmailman]

1.Kobe Bryant
2.Lebron James
3.Chris Paul
4.Tim Duncan
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Dwight Howard
7.Deron Williams
8.Amare Stoudemire
9.Dirk Nowitzki
10. Dwyane Wade
11.Carlos Boozer
12.Steve Nash
13.Yao Ming
14.Paul Pierce
15.Tracy McGrady
16.Manu Ginobili
17.Chris Bosh
18.Baron Davis
19.Carmelo Anthony
20.Allen Iverson
21.David West

[Rekindled]

boozer over yao, your not serious

[Silverbullit]

boozer over yao, your not serious

Why not? Yao played in 55 games only.

[B-Mac]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Chris Paul
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Dwight Howard
8. Deron Williams
9. Yao Ming
10. Amare Stoudemire
11. Tracy McGrady
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Paul Pierce
14. Steve Nash
15. Allen Iverson
16. Joe Johnson
17. Baron Davis
18. Chris Bosh
19. Manu Ginobili
20. David West

[bigkingsfan]

Wow, Dwight is quickly becoming the most overrated player in the league.

[Poormansmailman]

boozer over yao, your not serious

Well StroShow said you should take everything into account and if I was starting a team tomorrow I would have a hard time takin Yao over Boozer because Yao has missed total 86 games in the last three years. Now if we consider who had a better season I'm gonna again have to go with Boozer because he was healthy the whole year.

But if I had to choose either Boozer or Yao to play for me for only one game I'd go with Yao because I feel that he affects the game a little more. But anyway that's just my opinion, I don't think you can go wrong either way.

[Remix]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Amare Stoudemire
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Deron Williams
9. Dwight Howard
10. Carmelo Anthony
11. Paul Pierce
12. Steve Nash
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Yao Ming
15. Al Jefferson
16. Allen Iverson
17. Manu Ginobili
18. Caron Butler
19. Chris Bosh
20. Danny Granger

[Mr_Basketball#1]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Amare Stoudemire
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Deron Williams
9. Dwight Howard
10. Carmelo Anthony
11. Paul Pierce
12. Steve Nash
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Yao Ming
15. Al Jefferson
16. Allen Iverson
17. Manu Ginobili
18. Caron Butler
19. Chris Bosh
20. David West

[Rekindled]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Amare Stoudemire
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Deron Williams
9. Dwight Howard
10. Carmelo Anthony
11. Paul Pierce
12. Steve Nash
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Yao Ming
15. Al Jefferson
16. Allen Iverson
17. Manu Ginobili
18. Caron Butler
19. Chris Bosh
20. Danny Granger

lol, amare over duncan?

[embersyc]

20. Danny Granger

Way to go I needed a good laugh.

[otmtheshank]

Kobe
Lebron
Paul
Duncan
Garnett
Wade
Williams
Howard
Yao
Nash
Brand
Amare
Dirk
Pierce
Gasol
Bosh
Carmelo
Ginobili
Iverson
Carter

I probably forgot a couple;I also had trouble separating everyone past Deron...I'll most likely edit it.

[StroShow4]

just so everyone knows, i'm going to let this go until friday, then start counting the votes on saturday. so get your final list posted by friday night.

[ShamRockStar]

1 Lebron James
2 Kevin Garnett
3 Chris Paul
4 Kobe Bryant
5 Dwight Howard
6 Tim Duncan
7 Paul Pierce
8 Dirk Nowitzki
9 Chris Bosh
10 Steve Nash
11 Joe Johnson
12 Amare
13 Deron Williams
14 Ginobili
15 Al Jefferson
16 Chauncey Billups
17 Caron Butler
18 Tracy McGrady
19 Carmelo
20 Iverson



Off the top of the head, probably forgot some people

[embersyc]

Any other voters?

[StroShow4]

bump. if anyone has any last second votes submit them now. i'm going to start counting the votes tomorrow.

[Zak]

1. LeBron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Tim Duncan
4. Chris Paul
5. Deron Williams
6. Dwight Howard
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Amare
10. Paul Pierce
11. T-mac
12. Carmelo
13. Steve Nash
14. Iverson
15. Chris Bosh
16. Yao Ming
17. David West
18. Brandon Roy
19. D-wade
20. Monta Ellis.

I am almost 115% sure i will get hated for this list...

[Timmy D for MVP]

1 Kobe Bryant
2 Tim Duncan
3 Lebron James
4 Chris Paul
5 Kevin Garnett
6 Dwight Howard
7 Paul Pierce
8 Manu Ginobli
9 Chris Bosh
10 Steve Nash
11 Amare Stoudimire
12 Joe Johnson
13 Deron Williams
14 Tony Parker
15 Al Jefferson
16 Chauncey Billups
17 Caron Butler
18 Tracy McGrady
19 Dirk Novitski
20 Carmelo Anthony

[Maniak]

1:Chris Paul
2:Kevin Garnett
3:Kobe Bryant
4:Lebron James
5:Paul Peirce
6:Ray Allen
7:Tim Duncan
8:Steve Nash
9:Amare Stoudamaire
10:Dwight Howard
11:Chris Bosh
12:T-Mac
13:Carmelo Anthony
14:Allen Iverson
15:Brandon Roy
16:Baron Davis
17:Yao Ming
18:Dwayne Wade
19:Dirk Nowitski
20:Monta Ellis

I didn't actually spend like half an hour thinking crazy on this, kinda just popped some names out, Duncan should probably be higher, but ill keep cp3 at the top no matter what!

[cliffhagan]

01.) Kobe Bryant
02.) Kevin Garnett
03.) LeBron James
04.) Chris Paul
05.) Dwight Howard
06.) Deron Williams
07.) Paul Pierce
08.) Manu Ginobili
09.) Amare Stoudemire
10.) Tim Duncan (I know I'll get flak for this, lol)
11.) Dirk Nowitzki
12.) Steve Nash
13.) Tracy McGrady
14.) Allen Iverson
15.) Dwyane Wade (should be higher, but needs to be healthy again; and the Heat were tanking, so...)
16.) Caron Butler
17.) Joe Johnson
18.) Chris Bosh
19.) Chauncey Billups
20.) Brandon Roy

Notable Ommisions: Yao Ming, Carlos Boozer, Carmelo Anthony, Gilbert Arenas (has to be healthy again)

[StroShow4]

just so you guys know, i've started counting the votes. should have results posted by tomorrow night.

[Scott Pippen]

Anyways here is my list:

1. Kobe Bryant (#1 SG)
2. LeBron James (#1 SF)
3. Chris Paul (#1 OG)
4. Kevin Garnett (#1 PF)
5. Tim Duncan (#1 C)
6. Dwight Howard (#2 C)
7. Deron Williams (#2 PG)
8. Amare Stoudemire (#2 PF)
9. Dirk Nowitzki (#3 PF)
10. Yao Ming (#3 C) ** I believe is slightly better then Howard, but injuries is the reason I place him lower **
11. Steve Nash (#3 PG)
12. Carmelo Anthony (#2 SF)
13. Manu Ginobilli (#2 SG) ** Don't take his play-offs under consideration, I know he was hurting **
14. Chris Bosh (#4 PF)
15. Paul Pierce (#3 SF)
16. Allen Iverson (#3 SG)
17. Baron Davis (#4 PG)
18. Brandon Roy (#4 SG)
19. Al Jefferson (#4 C)
20. Tracy McGrady (#5 SG)

Wade and Arenas missed my cut because they weren't healthy, same with Elton Brand.

After doing some research, I actually realize how much a guy like McGrady has slipped on my list. He really didn't have that great of a season (21 points on near 20 shots), shooting 40% is very disappointing for a guy that used to be on Kobe's tier.agree:applause:

[embersyc]

just so you guys know, i've started counting the votes. should have results posted by tomorrow night.

How's it coming? I know it can take some time to tally those votes.

[StroShow4]

How's it coming? I know it can take some time to tally those votes.

yeah i'm still working on it, i got distracted by the game and didn't finish. i will finish soon though, i haven't forgotten about this.

[StroShow4]

ok, i haven't finished all of the math on all of the players yet but here is what the top 5 looks like:


kobe (1159)
lebron (1127)
paul (1066)
duncan (1041)
garnett (946)

[Spudjjay]

ok, i haven't finished all of the math on all of the players yet but here is what the top 5 looks like:


kobe (1159)
lebron (1127)
paul (1066)
duncan (1041)
garnett (946)

As it should.

[Poseidon]

ok, i haven't finished all of the math on all of the players yet but here is what the top 5 looks like:


kobe (1159)
lebron (1127)
paul (1066)
duncan (1041)
garnett (946)

:oldlol: :rolleyes:

[Lebron23]

1. LeBron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Paul Pierce
6. Tim Duncan
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Amare Stoudemire
9. Dwight Howard
10. Deron Williams
11. Paul Pierce
12. Steve Nash
13. Tracy McGrady
14. Yao Ming
15. Al Jefferson
16. Allen Iverson
17. Manu Ginobili
18. Carmelo Anthony
19. Chris Bosh
20. David West

[StroShow4]

^voting ended last friday.

[Poseidon]

^voting ended last friday.

:oldlol: :hammerhead:

[Finn T-Mac]

Have you counted them, I'm wondering where my boys T-Mac and STAT are...

[~LA's fine$t~]

All I have to say is, ISH knows their basketball.
That is precisely how I had my top 5, on my list.

Thanks for the hard work Stro.

[StroShow4]

Thanks for the hard work Stro.

no problem. i should have the list finished tonight.

[B-Mac]

no problem. i should have the list finished tonight.

And if you don't......:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[embersyc]

Heh, told you this was a monumental task. :)

Can't wait to see that final list.

[StroShow4]

Heh, told you this was a monumental task. :)

Can't wait to see that final list.

i way underestimated the amount of work that this would take. :oldlol:

but i promise it will be done by tonight.

[baseketball4life]

damn missed out on this would have had Kobe 1, Baron in there too

[StroShow4]

just to let you guys know where i'm at, i have added up 13 player's totals, i figure i have to do about 16 to 20 more... so i still have a long way to go but hopefully i can finish tonight. this takes forever so be patient.

[StroShow4]

once again guys i have to appologize because i just cannot finish this tonight. i've worked on this for 2+ hours already today and i'm still only about halfway done. this takes forever. i'm going to add up six players a day until it's finished. that's realistic.


i haven't done this much math for a long ass time.

[Silverbullit]

once again guys i have to appologize because i just cannot finish this tonight. i've worked on this for 2+ hours already today and i'm still only about halfway done. this takes forever. i'm going to add up six players a day until it's finished. that's realistic.


i haven't done this much math for a long ass time.

:)
The spirits that you called...

[ecthelion]

We don't even need votes..

1. Jason Williams
2. Rest of the NBA

[plat1numX]

Come on you slacker!

[Rekindled]

Come on you slacker!

lmao you if complain so much then add them up yourself. It's all in this thread.

[plat1numX]

lmao you if complain so much then add them up yourself. It's all in this thread.

relax buddy:hammerhead:

[StroShow4]

Come on you slacker!

i'm working on it. i just finished adding up another 4 player's totals. going to do atleast 2 more today.

[LBJ 4 MVP]

guys i have to appologize because i just cannot finish this tonight. i've worked on this for 2+ hours already today and i'm still only about halfway done. this takes forever. i'm going to add up six players a day until it's finished. that's realistic.


i haven't done this much math for a long ass time.
Are you doing it one player at a time? Why not do it one page at a time? That would probably be faster and easier.

[StroShow4]

Are you doing it one player at a time? Why not do it one page at a time? That would probably be faster and easier.

i'm making charts doing up to 4 players at a time. anything more gets confusing. i have compounded every list into one word document, so i just go down the line and count the votes.

[StroShow4]

ok i just finished, here's the entire 20...

1: kobe- 1159
2: lebron- 1127
3: paul- 1066
4: duncan- 1041
5: garnett- 946
6: howard- 825
7: deron- 780
8: amare- 691
9: dirk- 639
10: nash- 517
11: yao- 480
12: pierce- 465
13: iverson- 366
14: t-mac- 361
15: wade- 338
16: melo- 329
17: ginobili- 270
18: bosh- 260
19: davis- 216
20: parker- 91

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21: boozer- 90
22: roy- 82
23/24: butler- 80
23/24: west- 80
25: billups- 67