Kobe Bryant is good, but can’t touch Michael Jordan

[Da_Realist]

Very well said :applause:

Thank you :cheers:

[KenneBell]

Except for, you know, the whole "defense" thing. Kobe has been invisible on defense in every way this postseason. And he still isn't Jordan's equal on offense, as well as he's played.



Of course you don't. You're a Kobe fan. Because one great playoffs is equal to the 8 all-time level seasons and playoffs Jordan had by the same age. :oldlol: We won't even talk about stuff like averaging 13.4 FTA/gm through the first two rounds and then facing exclusively single coverage in the third round, all of which helps his numbers immensely. As does conserving all of his energy for the offensive end.
Who would've guessed that Loki would take the bait? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[brantonli]

All I'm telling you is that Kobe shattered MJs 50 point game streak. That's all. 4>3. No matter how you look at it. I already told you, yes, MJ was a more consistent scorer. Like I said, he rarley had 7-26 games. Kobe has those a lot more than MJ did. I am aware of the great scoring games MJ has had. But I name numerous games that Kobe produced similar results. Kobe's high scoring games are pretty consistant, also. His 81 Point Game he shot 66%. He is also consistant, not on par with MJ in that area, but when he gets hot he is just as consistant as MJ, if not more.


No where was I saying that MJ was on AI's level. I still don't think you understood me. AI has more scoring titles than about anyone in the NBA now. But he still isn't a better scorer than Kobe, just because he has more than Kobe. That was my only point. No one in their right minds thinks MJ and AI are on the same page.

You want to argue with numbers? Jordan career PPG: 30.12 points.

[kobeFANNER]

As the years go by and Kobe fans start growing in numbers and Jordan fans continue to get older and washed away theres going to be a bigger backing for Kobe Bryant.

There were Wilt fans who would hate on a 29 year old Jordan for even being mentioned in the GOAT discussion.

There are MJ fans who hate on a 29 year old Kobe for being mentioned in the GOAT discussion.

I am by no means saying that Kobe is better but if Kobe continues to throw up these MJ numbers in the playoffs his fan backing is only going to get stronger and his argument for GOAT will be heard more (reasonable or not).

[mjbulls23]

All I'm telling you is that Kobe shattered MJs 50 point game streak. That's all. 4>3. No matter how you look at it. I already told you, yes, MJ was a more consistent scorer. Like I said, he rarley had 7-26 games. Kobe has those a lot more than MJ did. I am aware of the great scoring games MJ has had. But I name numerous games that Kobe produced similar results. Kobe's high scoring games are pretty consistant, also. His 81 Point Game he shot 66%. He is also consistant, not on par with MJ in that area, but when he gets hot he is just as consistent as MJ.


debatable, but I can definitely see where you are coming from with this statement :cheers:

[Da_Realist]

As the years go by and Kobe fans start growing in numbers and Jordan fans continue to get older and washed away theres going to be a bigger backing for Kobe Bryant.

There were Wilt fans who would hate on a 29 year old Jordan for even being mentioned in the GOAT discussion.

There are MJ fans who hate on a 29 year old Kobe for being mentioned in the GOAT discussion.

I am by no means saying that Kobe is better but if Kobe continues to throw up these MJ numbers in the playoffs his fan backing is only going to get stronger and his argument for GOAT will be heard more (reasonable or not).

Very true.

[Manute for Ever!]

As the years go by and Kobe fans start growing in numbers and Jordan fans continue to get older and washed away theres going to be a bigger backing for Kobe Bryant.

There were Wilt fans who would hate on a 29 year old Jordan for even being mentioned in the GOAT discussion.

There are MJ fans who hate on a 29 year old Kobe for being mentioned in the GOAT discussion.

I am by no means saying that Kobe is better but if Kobe continues to throw up these MJ numbers in the playoffs his fan backing is only going to get stronger and his argument for GOAT will be heard more (reasonable or not).

And when that day comes, I will happily stick a carnivorous earwig in my ear and let it chew through my skull. The painful death will be far more welcome than haveing to listen to from even more Kobe fans.

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[DatDudeD]

And when that day comes, I will happily stick a carnivorous earwig in my ear and let it chew through my skull. The painful death will be far more welcome than haveing to listen to from even more Kobe fans.

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cool as long as i can put it on youtube....:D

[Manute for Ever!]

cool as long as i can put it on youtube....:D
:roll: With pleasure, dude.

[DatDudeD]

i was wondering would this argument be a issue say if kobe played a different postion, say he was a small forward would he already be the greatese of all time with his accolades ????

[guy]

i was wondering would this argument be a issue say if kobe played a different postion, say he was a small forward would he already be the greatese of all time with his accolades ????

Huh? That makes no sense. He still wouldn't be the greatest over Jordan since his accolades still don't measure. He still even wouldn't be the greatest at his position.

[KGTruthRayRay]

i was wondering would this argument be a issue say if kobe played a different postion, say he was a small forward would he already be the greatese of all time with his accolades ????

He has some accolades, but not nearly enough to be mentioned as GOAT, no matter the position he played.

[DatDudeD]

He has some accolades, but not nearly enough to be mentioned as GOAT, no matter the position he played.

I mean at the small forward position, not overall GOAT ????

[guy]

I mean at the small forward position, not overall GOAT ????

Would still probably be 2nd to Bird, but I think him surpassing Bird wouldn't be nearly as hard as surpassing Jordan, and I think he would be able to do it.

[KGTruthRayRay]

I mean at the small forward position, not overall GOAT ????

Oh...

More of a chance there, but still short right now. The only reason he would have a chance is because Bird's prime was cut 3-4 seasons short. That's about the upper limit for Kobe imo (top 5-7 all time). The top 4 -- Jordan/Wilt/KAJ/Magic are way up there.

[super crazy]

Am i the only person who is sick and tired of mark jackson saying that kobe is better than Jordan? Are you serious Jordan 6 titles 5 mvps 6 finals mvps 3 all star mvps 2 gold medals Kobe 3 titles 1 mvp 2 all star mvp. The 3 titles he won were Shaqs titles not because of Kobe. How do i know this? Shaq gets traded to Miami and Miami win the title Shaq gets traded to Miami and the Lakers don't even make the finals. Even LeBron can take a terrible Cavs team to the finals by himself. Hell Kobe wasn't even the best player this season (See Chris Paul) and Mark jackson is saying Kobe is the best player in the histroy of the sport. Somewhere up in basketball god heaven Wilt Chamberlain is giving Mark Jackson the finger. Grow up Mark Jackson and get over the fact that Jordan used to burn your beloved Knicks for double nickles every other week.

[Sroek]

Everyone knows Kobe is more skilled than Michael.

People just don't want to rank him higher than MJ because he isn't as accomplished or decorated with awards and didn't revolutionize the league like MJ did. MJ is a legend, an icon.

[brandonislegend]

kobe is a more complete offensive player than jordan

but jordan >> kobe

[RoseCity07]

kobe is a more complete offensive player than jordan

but jordan >> kobe


No he isn't. Jordan could shoot 3's under extreme pressure in finals games, Jordan had a better jumper, fade away jumper, and was way more skilled in the post. Don't try and sneak a statement like that in because your flat out wrong.

Jordan shooting a fade away jumper shoots a higher percentage than Kobe is shooting in the finals. Jordan is a much better finisher around the hoop than Kobe.

[juju151111]

You just furthered proved why MJ is the better player. That is obvious. Kobe hasn't put up those all around stats in a 60 point game. But I'm strictly speaking scoring here. Kobe recorded 62 points in 32 minutes. It took MJ a full game. If I wanted the complete performance, I'd be a dumbass not to take MJs performance. But the way Kobe got his points with that much quickness to outscore a complete team by himself was incredible. And no matter how you look at, 81 is a bigger number than 69.

MJs overall game was better because he is a player Kobe has not and will not ever be. But 81 is more than 69. That is the only thing I'm speaking of. I know MJ has better stats. That's not the debate. But Kobe, IMO, racks up points like no other. It's what makes him Kobe.
listen scoring more one gm doesn't mean jack.D-rob scored 70 before does that mean he better then mj??Look at the scoring when the defense is up notch playoff.MJ destroys.GO TO WIKI PEDIA HE HOLD WAYY MORE SCORING RECORDS

[brandonislegend]

No he isn't. Jordan could shoot 3's under extreme pressure in finals games, Jordan had a better jumper, fade away jumper, and was way more skilled in the post. Don't try and sneak a statement like that in because your flat out wrong.

Jordan shooting a fade away jumper shoots a higher percentage than Kobe is shooting in the finals. Jordan is a much better finisher around the hoop then Kobe.

no.

jordan was NOT a good 3 point shooter at all

kobe has UNLIMITED range and dont try to say he had a better jumper, it was a different era, even still, kobe's fade away is not far behind.

[juju151111]

no.

jordan was NOT a good 3 point shooter at all

kobe has UNLIMITED range and dont try to say he had a better jumper, it was a different era, even still, kobe's fade away is not far behind.
yea he had a better 3 point range, but MJ Is a better mid range shooter

[KGTruthRayRay]

Kobe fans operate under the assumption that if you say something enough times, people will eventually believe it. That's why they always talk about how Kobe is supposedly "more skilled" than Jordan with nothing to back it up. Kobe is a better 3-point (and beyond) shooter and has fancier handles (a lot of that has to do with the culture of the game, though; if Jordan played today he'd have that too). Jordan has decided edges in post game (significant), off the ball movement (large), rebounding (significant), passing (moderate), playmaking (significant), and all aspects of defense (significant/large).

[RoseCity07]

no.

jordan was NOT a good 3 point shooter at all

kobe has UNLIMITED range and dont try to say he had a better jumper, it was a different era, even still, kobe's fade away is not far behind.

Really I think I would know after seeing the footage of MJ hitting like 10 3's against Portland in the 1992 finals. I remember Jordan against the Jazz in the finals missed a FT with a minutes left got his own rebound went out to the 3 point line and drained it, this is the game he played with the flu.

Don't disgrace MJ's legacy by comparing it to Kobe. Kobe Bryant is completely different and poorly mimics Jordan's moves.

[RoseCity07]

Kobe fans operate under the assumption that if you say something enough times, people will eventually believe it. That's why they always talk about how Kobe is supposedly "more skilled" than Jordan with nothing to back it up. Kobe is a better 3-point (and beyond) shooter and has fancier handles (a lot of that has to do with the culture of the game, though; if Jordan played today he'd have that too). Jordan has decided edges in post game (significant), off the ball movement (large), rebounding (significant), passing (moderate), playmaking (significant), and all aspects of defense (significant/large).


Yeah it gets to the point where you just stop reading their posts when they right such things. They would follow Kobe off a cliffs edge, there is no reasoning with them. I never got the feeling that Jordan was trying to take ridiculous shots for style points when I watched him play like I do when I see Kobe.

[brandonislegend]

3 shots do not make someone a good 3 pt shooter...

how about kobe with the most made 3's in a row in a game

im not saying kobe is a better player, im saying hes a more complete offensive player. dont be nieve

[KGTruthRayRay]

3 shots do not make someone a good 3 pt shooter...

how about kobe with the most made 3's in a row in a game

im not saying kobe is a better player, im saying hes a more complete offensive player. dont be nieve

No one suggested that Jordan was as good a 3-point shooter as Kobe, but he was good enough.

In every season/postseason he attempted more than a trifling amount of 3's per game, he shot in the mid-high 30's percentage wise, which is respectable (37.6% in 1990, 35.2% in '93; he also averaged 38.7% from deep in the '91-'93 playoffs, including 38.9% on 4 attempts/gm in the '93 postseason). He also shot 42.7% in '96 (40.3% in playoffs), though this was at the shorter line; this suggests that Jordan was a rhythm 3-point shooter. Every time he took more than 1-1.3 attempts/gm, he shot a good percentage. Who knows whta his percentage would have been if he had attempted 4.5-6 3FGA/gm like today's stars do and actually cared to work on that shot?

He also stated in interviews several times that he never wanted to shoot lots of threes, because it takes away from his definition of his game, which was an attacking type game that disrupted defenses. He has also hit NUMEROUS big deep shots when needed (end of quarter/half/shotclock, to tie or win games etc.). All of this evidence suggests that it's not so much that he couldn't shoot threes, but rather that he chose not to.

But no, he wasn't as good as Kobe in that regard. But neither was he bad. It didn't limit his effectiveness in any way. I, for one, am glad that he didn't get caught up in the 3-point trap, because long bombs have less value to a team than drives and an attacking midrange game -- 3 pointers don't draw fouls, don't draw defenders to help make plays for others, and don't put pressure on the defense and get them fatigued, and have less of a chance of successful offensive putbacks.

[Lebron23]

Michael Jordan will never let his team blow a 24 point lead in the NBA Finals because he is the clutchest player in the history of the game.


The Jordan and Kobe comparison ended tonight.

[Poseidon]

Michael Jordan will never let his team blow a 24 point lead in the NBA Finals because he is the clutchest player in the history of the game.


The Jordan and Kobe comparison ended tonight.

No doubt. #24 had a chance to be the greatest Laker ever and be remembered as a true champion. Both will NEVER happen.

LeBron > #24

[EricForman]

No doubt. #24 had a chance to be the greatest Laker ever and be remembered as a true champion. Both will NEVER happen.

LeBron > #24


LOL at you. you must be in depression right now.

and even had lakers swept the finals 4-0 kbe wouldnt have been the greatest laker ever... not yet anyways.

[guy]

I'm glad someone brought this thread back up. MJ would've never let this happen in a regular season game and definitely not at home. Kobe let this happen in the FINALS AT HOME. How can someone who is equal to the GOAT be associated with one of the biggest collapses in NBA history? Kobe's one of the greatest ever, but he's not up there with Jordan.

[Da_Realist]

Michael Jordan will never let his team blow a 24 point lead in the NBA Finals because he is the clutchest player in the history of the game.


The Jordan and Kobe comparison ended tonight.

It should have ended when Kobe quit in that 7th game in Phoenix a couple of years ago. :pimp:

[beau_boy04]

Nobody can touch Michael :applause:

14-time All-Star
Olympic Gold Medalist

[guy]

I really don't expect the comparisons to stop no matter what, even if the Lakers lose the series. But could you imagine if the USA somehow do not win gold medal in the Olympics this year, will the comparisons THEN finally stop? I'd probably shoot myself if they don't. Of course I don't expect the US to lose, but still.

[veilside23]

I'm glad someone brought this thread back up. MJ would've never let this happen in a regular season game and definitely not at home. Kobe let this happen in the FINALS AT HOME. How can someone who is equal to the GOAT be associated with one of the biggest collapses in NBA history? Kobe's one of the greatest ever, but he's not up there with Jordan.


BINGGO!!!!!:cheers:

[Knoe Itawl]

The comparisons might not stop from Kobe Dikkriders (because they're braindead) and the media (because they want to generate hype)

Anyone who truly knows basketball knows the comparisons were stupid from the beginning.

[TheProphet]

no.

jordan was NOT a good 3 point shooter at all

kobe has UNLIMITED range and dont try to say he had a better jumper, it was a different era, even still, kobe's fade away is not far behind.

So that explains Kobe shooting in the low 30% range in three pointers. If he was a three point shooter, he would be shooting upper 30s lower 40s % range. I compare their playoff threes. Kobe is 0.3% higher than Jordan. But Jordan shooting from the field is 4-5% higher than Kobe. Kobe right now in the NBA finals is shooting 2 for 10 (that's unlimited range?!?!?!?!)


I'm glad someone brought this thread back up. MJ would've never let this happen in a regular season game and definitely not at home. Kobe let this happen in the FINALS AT HOME. How can someone who is equal to the GOAT be associated with one of the biggest collapses in NBA history? Kobe's one of the greatest ever, but he's not up there with Jordan.

Do not forget that Jordan would never let a 3-1 playoff series lead fall. Kobe should be compared to T-Mac in that regard with dropping 3-1 series leads.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=MQ-PBhbKUew

Jordan scored almost more points in the game above in one half (35 vs. 36) than Kobe career high in the finals. I bet Jordan 7 three pointers in one half was more than Kobe three pointers in one game of the finals.

[305Baller]

No, Kobe Bryant is not Michael Jordan (although 81 points was impressive) and it is not too early to confirm that this is the first generation to not have anyone be better than the last generations best player ala the Oscar Robertson/Dr.J/Jordan ladder. There has been noone better since Jordan. Is that saying something about the game itself? Has it peaked?

And has anyone passed Pel

[Soundwave]

Kobe is a better 3 point shooter, but I think Jordan is better in virtually every other aspect of the game.

But it's not like Jordan even on the Bulls never played against athletic swingmen. He did go up against Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill and we know what he did to Clyde Drexler in the 92 Finals. He also in his younger days went head to head with Dominique Wilkins who is every bit as athletic as Kobe and quite strong himself.

And Payton was a better defensive player than Kobe is, so I'm not sure why people think that Payton is necessarily an easier match up.

[kobesabi]

Here's a question for ya for further comparison.

The rules then and now are different. With the current NBA rules and and rosters, can MJ and his old team beat the current Celtics team?

[TheProphet]

Here's a question for ya for further comparison.

The rules then and now are different. With the current NBA rules and and rosters, can MJ and his old team beat the current Celtics team?

According to Phil Jackson, you wouldn't be able to guard Jordan now with the new rules since you would be on the bench with foul trouble. I see Jordan being more effective at his prime with today's rules. If Bron' with no range can score 46 pts on the Celts, imagine the stats Jordan can pull against this Celts.

[Soundwave]

Here's a question for ya for further comparison.

The rules then and now are different. With the current NBA rules and and rosters, can MJ and his old team beat the current Celtics team?

Easily. If anything the modern NBA rules make it easier for wing players and has taken out a lot of the physical play that teams like the Knicks in the 90s would throw at the Bulls. You really can't body up on wing players in the NBA anymore (as per David Stern's agenda to increase scoring and TV ratings).

Jordan would beat these Celtics, not only with the Bulls, but even if you gave him this Lakers supporting cast. Odom + Gasol + Phil Jackson + Jordan = championship.

[-primetime-]

why is this thread 20 pages long?

Jordan was better.....end thread already

[RoseCity07]

3 shots do not make someone a good 3 pt shooter...

how about kobe with the most made 3's in a row in a game

im not saying kobe is a better player, im saying hes a more complete offensive player. dont be nieve

Dude go watch some Jordan clips and see Jordan nail jump shot after jump shot with defenders all over him and in his face. The announcers can't believe what they are seeing. Jordan is a way better shooter than Kobe. Jordan didn't shoot 3's because he got better shot opportunities than that. Jordan shot a career of near .50%, and that's with him playing with the Wizards which messed up his averages. There is no debating that Jordan was a better offensive player.

Defense which Jordan definitely is better at than Kobe, he is remembered as the best offensive shooting guard as well. Don't delude yourself into thinking Kobe is better than Jordan at anything except taking retarded shots.

[23airjordan23]

Did people just realize that kobe will never be mike.

[Vilmatic]

Dude go watch some Jordan clips and see Jordan nail jump shot after jump shot with defenders all over him and in his face. The announcers can't believe what they are seeing. Jordan is a way better shooter than Kobe. Jordan didn't shoot 3's because he got better shot opportunities than that. Jordan shot a career of near .50%, and that's with him playing with the Wizards which messed up his averages. There is no debating that Jordan was a better offensive player.

Defense which Jordan definitely is better at than Kobe, he is remembered as the best offensive shooting guard as well. Don't delude yourself into thinking Kobe is better than Jordan at anything except taking retarded shots.

i agree bro, kobe will never mike, its just ridiculous after kobe beat the spurs that the media will even talk about this... oh man kobe made it to the finals... he finally made it without shaq..LOL just take a look at this series... blowing a 24 pt. lead..LoL, MJ would never let his team do this.


MJ is the greatest.

[Showtime]

New videogame: Jordan v Kobe cancelled!

http://www.gump4heisman.com/my_weblog/2008/06/ea-sports-shelves-plans-for-jordan-vs-kobe-video-game.html

[stephanieg]

I enjoyed this quote from Showtime's link:

[quote]Many comparisons between the two are very close. For instance, Jordan

[Loki]

From Showtime's link:

[quote]When playing as Bryant, fans could unlock Regular-Season Kobe

[dawsey6]

I enjoyed this quote from Showtime's link:

Better yet, this one:

[QUOTE]On Friday morning, a copy of the game was leaked to the press. After beating the game and unlocking all of the secret players, we were able to conduct a number of computer simulations. Versions of Jordan were 2,048-1 against versions of Kobe.

The one version of Jordan Kobe was able to beat? Wizards-Jordan

[Lebron23]

New videogame: Jordan v Kobe cancelled!

http://www.gump4heisman.com/my_weblog/2008/06/ea-sports-shelves-plans-for-jordan-vs-kobe-video-game.html

That is one of the funniest article that i have ever read. Thanks for the link Showtime.

For those ISHIOTS that are lazy to click on the link here is the full content of the New Video Game: Jordan vs. Kobe cancelled!!!

[B]EA Sports shelves plans for

[dawsey6]

Ugh, did you really have to post the whole thing?

[juju151111]

Here's a question for ya for further comparison.

The rules then and now are different. With the current NBA rules and and rosters, can MJ and his old team beat the current Celtics team?
Yes paul piece and ray ray can't D mj.He would not let a 20 points lead get loss in the finals

[RoseCity07]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

OMG GOAT post. Virtual Kobe was only able to beat Wizards Jordan...LMFAO.

[Da_Realist]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[BIZARRO]

He was! Like I've said before, we knew when MJ came into the league and there were talks of him being the best ever in 89. 1-9-8-9.

And 1-9-8-8.
And 1-9-8-7.
And 1-9-8-6.
And 1-9-8-5.
And 1-9-8-4.

If any of y'all saw Mike play back then, there wouldn't be a thread like this.

The gap between MJ and Kobe is very, very wide.

[RoseCity07]

I was talking to my cousin yesterday who is in 8th grade. He was being a serious troll and was pissed because I was beating him at a game. He started completely making **** up when I tried to talk to him about the NBA. He exposed himself when he told me Sebastian Telfair was better player than Brandon Roy. Then later he went on to say Kobe is way better than Jordan and that Jordan sucked. I started thinking he was a retard after he said that. He continued, obviously trolling, about how Kobe is a better shooter and Jordan only did good because of Pippen. Then pulling something completely out of his ass he stated as fact that Jordan was benched because he sucked and Kobe had 3 titles and enough time to get more than Jordan. He would just interrupt me when I started talking about all the accomplishments Jordan has over Kobe and he just started repeating "Kobe's better". As if saying that was going to make it true.

I felt like I was talking to someone that had lost their mind. Then I realized the people on here that say Kobe is better than Jordan don't know ****. They are this 8th grade retard I was having a conversation with. Just trolling and saying things based off of ignorance.

There is no point in arguing with Kobe fans. They don't care, they just hope that trolling over Kobe will some how validate their existence.

[gts]

I was talking to my cousin yesterday who is in 8th grade. He was being a serious troll and was pissed because I was beating him at a game. He started completely making **** up when I tried to talk to him about the NBA. He exposed himself when he told me Sebastian Telfair was better player than Brandon Roy. Then later he went on to say Kobe is way better than Jordan and that Jordan sucked. I started thinking he was a retard after he said that. He continued, obviously trolling, about how Kobe is a better shooter and Jordan only did good because of Pippen. Then pulling something completely out of his ass he stated as fact that Jordan was benched because he sucked and Kobe had 3 titles and enough time to get more than Jordan. He would just interrupt me when I started talking about all the accomplishments Jordan has over Kobe and he just started repeating "Kobe's better". As if saying that was going to make it true.

I felt like I was talking to someone that had lost their mind. Then I realized the people on here that say Kobe is better than Jordan don't know ****. They are this 8th grade retard I was having a conversation with. Just trolling and saying things based off of ignorance.

There is no point in arguing with Kobe fans. They don't care, they just hope that trolling over Kobe will some how validate their existence.

OMG lolz, you seriously owned that 12 year old...

now you know how people who have watched the magics and kareems, dr'j's birds and others feel when they are so easily dismissed by people who never watched them...

he's never watched jordan so to him kobe is the best, just like people who never saw kareem say jordan is the best...

[Knoe Itawl]

OMG lolz, you seriously owned that 12 year old...

now you know how people who have watched the magics and kareems, dr'j's birds and others feel when they are so easily dismissed by people who never watched them...

he's never watched jordan so to him kobe is the best, just like people who never saw kareem say jordan is the best...

Unfortunately for your "point", many people who DID see Kareem say Jordan is the best (you know, like Pat Riley, Magic, etc.)

No one with any basketball knowledge "easily" dismisses Magic, Kareem, Bird, etc. Most people have them in the top 5 or so players of all time.

[DuMa]

I've been re-watching the first 3peat championships from the Bulls in 1991-93. I dont think anyone ANYONE can come close to what MJ did in those games. or his career in fact. NO guard right now in the NBA can ever touch Michael Jordan.

[n00bie]

shouldn't this be under the Kobe Sticky Thread?

[WeJustNeedaRing]

How many times in this discussed? Just let Kobe be Kobe and Mike be Mike..