Proof that the NBA isn't Rigged.

[gasolina]

I guess to make it discussion worthy, did the NBA give the Heat a push in the finals?

I would say its possible. The NBA would not benefit for the Mavs sweeping the Heat then. After being down 2-0, D-whistle started driving more, and got the calls. Sure the Mavs CHOKED big time but that's what happens when chokers play on tough games.

I wouldn't say that the League wanted to the heat to win, but same as the Rockets and the Kings, wanted the series to extend further and just let whoever win.

However, the fragile psyche of the then Mavs, Rockets, and Kings, just couldn't handle the additional pressure of succeeding games that they just flat out got outplayed by the other team.

No, the NBA didn't make D-whistle a Superstar, but they sure did help him get the 'chip.

People are saying how impossible it would be for the league to favor a team. We're not talking about the league literally giving the team the 1st seed and a free ride to the finals. It's quite possible, and easy I guess. Also, the most important thing is there is a legit motive by the league for doing it.

Keep in mind most of the "rigging" happens only in the playoffs, where there is national TV coverage and fewer games to manage.

Scenario 1, Lakers and Kings WCF - Reason: Lakers defending champions. New dynasty to replace the bulls. Also, Kobe is the NBA's golden boy with the rape trial still on the horizon.

Scenario 2, Rockets vs. Mavs - Reason: Rockets had Yao and CHina but they were booooooring to watch then. Also, Suns were waiting in the next round. Nothing better than a 2nd round of Mavs vs. Suns, high octane offense, Dirk vs. Ex-Mav Nash.

Scenario 3, Heat vs. Mavs - Reason: The league doesn't want a sweep in the finals. Especially by a team led by a German against the new "jordan" + shaq.

Now people would ask what about the Spurs, why does the league keep letting them win even if they get the lowest finals ratings. Answer: league don't have a choice, they're just too good. And unlike the Kings, Rockets, and Mavs, aren't BIG CHOKERS.

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2000 Playoffs: W
2001 Playoffs: W
2002 Playoffs: E

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Wade averages 10 or so free throws a game with his relentlessly slashing attack. KoME Cryant on the other hand averages the same free throws while settling for jumpshots.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

This is the problem with conspiracy theories they just keep going when one or two pieces don't fit. What we know is that Donaghy says that two refs conspired to fix the Lakers Kings game and they probably did seeing the way that game was officiated. But to think that every game or playoff game was rigged is a bit overboard. Maybe more than just one game, but to think every game in the playoffs since that one was rigged it baseless.

Think about can you come up with a logical explanation on how every playoff game was fix, if the Spurs had to have games fixed for them to win anything. I agree there has been some very horrible officiating the past years, and that some were bad enough to alter the out come of the game. I think that there were some games that were fixed but no where near as many as people are talking about. People are just using this as an excuse for their team losing and blaming the refs for all of it. There is no proof that any other games were fixed, there isn't even enough proof to say that the LA and SAC series was fixed. So calm down on all these threads about this game being fixed or that series being fix. Let all the evidence come out first.

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No conspiracies = no Lakers existence in the 21st century. They had to wait until MJ retired in '98 to help artificially recreate the franchise. Sad.

[cliffhagan]

This is the problem with conspiracy theories they just keep going when one or two pieces don't fit. What we know is that Donaghy says that two refs conspired to fix the Lakers Kings game and they probably did seeing the way that game was officiated. But to think that every game or playoff game was rigged is a bit overboard. Maybe more than just one game, but to think every game in the playoffs since that one was rigged it baseless.

Think about can you come up with a logical explanation on how every playoff game was fix, if the Spurs had to have games fixed for them to win anything. I agree there has been some very horrible officiating the past years, and that some were bad enough to alter the out come of the game. I think that there were some games that were fixed but no where near as many as people are talking about. People are just using this as an excuse for their team losing and blaming the refs for all of it. There is no proof that any other games were fixed, there isn't even enough proof to say that the LA and SAC series was fixed. So calm down on all these threads about this game being fixed or that series being fix. Let all the evidence come out first.

Well said. It's kinda like, if it's all about the market, then why haven't the Knicks been helped with a little more rigging? Oh, cause they are SO bad. Lol. I agree though; it's been a "hit and miss" type rigging style...

[gigantes]

Why would anyone read past that point?
no reason.

people without reason and accountability often assume 'conspiracy theory' when they are unable to grasp situations with multiple factors that contribute to an outcome.

they hear accusations like the donaghy ones and overlook the fact that the feds haven't been able to substantiate a single one in their investigations so far.

maybe about one in 500 conspiracy theories really is correct, but they're sure not proven by knuckleheaded sports fans- you can take that to the bank.

[Nets fan 93]

With all the conspiracy out there. During the rise of D_WADE the NBA was desperate for a SUPERSTAR to pull in ratings and make $$$$. Kobe Bryant was one of the hated ones with his rape trial. LeBron was new to the leauge. Dirk is good but the NBA hates Cuban. Steve Nash won those MVP but can't get past the Spurs. No other superstar was there to shine.

Did the NBA helped created D-WADE? Those special treatment with touchy fouls call and traveling no call spin moves is sketchy.

I won't be surpise to find out the NBA created a new Super Star in D-WADe. But D-WADE turned out to be an injury prone talent. I guessed the NBA has moved on with D-WADE, now that Kobe image is getting better.

What do you guys think? This whole NBA rigging is getting everyone un-easy..


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Leborn and Dwayne were in the same draft :hammerhead:

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

There is no proof that any other games were fixed, there isn't even enough proof to say that the LA and SAC series was fixed.

LA's getting 27 free throws in the 4th qtr? If that isn't fixed. What is... Pollard and Divacs barely touches Shaq and they got a fouled.

This is coming from a Lakers's fan. Btw, if the series was called correctly LA would have won in 6 games.

[Sneak]

BUMP.

You've gone awfully quiet on this eliteballer.....

[BlazersDozen]

I saw somebody say that Stern has a lot of friends in the Spurs front office. This could also play apart in the Blazers and Sonics getting the #1 and 2 picks in the NBA lottery last year and getting all the good young talent (well Blazers are...Sonics have like 1,000 1st round draft picks) Both GMs come from the San Antonio organization.

Not starting a conspiracy because I don't believe it but just putting it out there for the people who like to run with these things.

[jamal99]

Is NBA = WWE now??

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

maybe the team was just that damn good. maybe they beat the fix with everything against them!

[niko]

The people posting these topics are not posters i respect either. even some annoying ones (fanboys) who do argue thoughtfully though. its people specifically who have a hard on for the nba to be rigged. you aren't fans worried about the league. you are casual fans who are message boy nerds who see a chance to put down something on a board and get off on it.

look at the board. so many stupid topics.

i saw the game donaghy says was rigged. it comes down to one thing for me that i cant reconcile in my mind going beyond bias (bad/horrid) officiating to cheating for an outcome, the kings EASILY could have one with one or two shots. and i never can reconile that fact, the fact this cheating conspiracy is always allowed to have a chance to fail. but im thinking about it...waiting for info - trying to figure it out. Yet some of you morons 100% know its true and have made 7,000 follow up claims (note: the fbi doesn't think his claims are credible enough to even follow up on, for some of you, they are proof that everything, 100% is rigged)

the purpose of this board is not for people who get off on conspiracy theories to have a place to roost. there's a ****ing finals going on. excuse me for being irritated that the people instigating all the conversation on the board today know nothing about the nba outside of its fun to hope it dies from this scandal.

[jamal99]

Lol, I just posted that NBA = WWE in other thread...

[niko]

By that logic you should stop coming to this board. By discussing it and spreading it, people feel that they are spreading a good message and hope that NBA will be improved in this area when this become more public. And it somewhat work, I think the number of people who were nonbelievers of this conspiracy theory and now is a somewhat believer has increased. We all want to be sure that NBA is not rigged and we all want quality discussions. Too bad if the NBA can't shake off these allegations, quality discussions is going to be hard to come by.

I do agree however with your attempt to improve this board. We really don't need that many thread, maybe make a thread if there is a new proof to this conspiracy theory.

its spawned quality discussions? every championship was riggeD? the nba made dwaye wade? the bobcats are being cheated? where is this quality discussion? one thread in 12?

[mmsupra]

Why can't we have it like we did back in the 90's , did not seem like all of the nonsense was going down...:pimp:

[AIrules]

man WWE is scripted...NBA aint
WWE is all about entertainment...NBA is about entertainment and other things as well
They are similar in some ways...but overall they're quite different

[RajonKGcelts]

Your just reaching, Wade is a superstar because he's a great player all around.

[guy]

Why did the Lakers get 27 free throws in the fourth quarter of game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals?

I don't know, can you answer my questions at all? I'm not saying Donaghy is lying, but I'm also not saying he isn't lying. The chance that he's telling truth is pretty good as evidence to the horrible officiating of those games, but the chance that he's lying is pretty good as well as evidence to all those things I just brought up. I think the chance that he's telling the truth, and the chance that he's trying to save his own a** and picked the most criticized games of the past decade as his "proof" are equal.