Stoudemire is already best power forward

[ChrisPaulIsPunk]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant

[Rab]

Offensively, yes. But, he does not impact a game like KG or Timmy, and won't impact a game like they do until he plays defense and becomes a better rebounder.

[gyu]

I still find it hard to believe that an athletic, explosive beast like Amare still hasn't averaged 10+ rebounds for a season.
I know he's had Marion grabbing them before and now Shaq but Amare has size and probably explosiveness over Marion, and he has leaping ability, explosiveness, and speed over Shaq.

[bjtrdff]

The game goes 2 ways.

[DeuceWallaces]

Offensively, yes. But, he does not impact a game like KG or Timmy, and won't impact a game like they do until he plays defense and becomes a better rebounder.

+1

[Manute for Ever!]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant

Nice argument, very well put, the evidence is astounding :applause:

[Posterize246]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
uhhh....no. he's not.

[ihatetimthomas]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant

Its really getting out of hand these one liner arguments. Try give us some reason to your argument. If you are not going to provide insight to your thoughts, then there is no reason to even create a thread about it

[Rab]

I still find it hard to believe that an athletic, explosive beast like Amare still hasn't averaged 10+ rebounds for a season.
I know he's had Marion grabbing them before and now Shaq but Amare has size and probably explosiveness over Marion, and he has leaping ability, explosiveness, and speed over Shaq.
The frustrating thing with Amare is that he has that ability. He'll go on a tear where he'll grab 12-15 rpg for a stretch of games and you think maybe he's turning the corner, and then his rebounding will disappear for a few games.

[v-unit]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant


:oldlol:

"if u don't think so, u are ignorant"

stfu , on InsideHoops, you have to give an arguement first, and if your new, you have to earn respect before you can down talk to someone here, let alone make stupid threads.

[A Roc 23]

I believe he is the 3rd best power forward in the game right now.

And I think with some minor defensive improvements, he will pass KG. KG is an elite defender, but his offense can't touch Amare's right now. If Amare can pick up his defense and keep up his offensive game then he can pass KG.

Duncan is another story. To me Duncan either the best at his position of all time or close (Barkley or Malone could be argued). I don't think that Amare will ever pass Duncan's mix of elite defense and unstoppable (and timely) offense.

[clayton]

Powerhouse scorer? Yes. Best at the position doing everything else? No. Not even close yet.

[Kebab Stall]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
Amare may have more talent offensively than both KG and Tim Duncan. But, like someone else said, Amare will not impact a game like KG or Tim Duncan, until he becomes a great defender.

He definitly has the potential to surpass KG and hopefully he does, but it's going to take more than being a dominant offensive player to even come close to Tim Duncan. Amare is really going to have to step his entire game (which includes everything he does on the court) up to be on the same level as Tim Duncan.

[intrinsic]

I don't think I've seen Nowitzki mentioned in this thread. (I may have overlooked it). It's pretty optimistic for a person to say Amare is better than all 3 of those guys. (Nowitzki, Duncan, Garnett)

[3stat2]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
Consider me ignorant then :)

[Silent Mav]

I think Rab and A Roc summed it up pretty well. So I won't repeat what they said regarding Duncan and KG. And even though Dirk isn't as terrible a defender as some make him out to be. Amare's athleticism gives him the chance to be an above average defender at the very least. Better than Dirk could ever be. He just needs to put it together, or at least seem to care about playing defense.

[No_Look604]

Hey can you just leave the boards now? I mean, for one, you didn't even try back up your claim and two....you're calling people ignorant before any replies? So what was your point of this thread? Basically to start beef.


No matter who the player is (ex. Jordan) there will always be someone who thinks another player's better. It's called an opinion!

Your post shows ignorance, making you a hypocrite. Think about it junior.

[Anti404]

Though I do agree that he's the third best currently, I disagree that he has less impact on a game than does KG(though not Tim Duncan). KG's offense is much less potent than Amare's. And though KG does have the upper-hand in defense, Amare is a great shot blocker and at least an average help defender and CAN(if he tries) impact the game defensively. I think they're about even in how much they effect the game.

[intrinsic]

I think Rab and A Roc summed it up pretty well. So I won't repeat what they said regarding Duncan and KG. And even though Dirk isn't as terrible a defender as some make him out to be. Amare's athleticism gives him the chance to be an above average defender at the very least. Better than Dirk could ever be. He just needs to put it together, or at least seem to care about playing defense.

The final line in your post says enough. If Amare still needs to put it together, how could he be considered the best already? Anyone who watched Nowitzki in the playoffs wouldn't be so quick to discard him in favor of Amare as they are right now. Sure, I'll concede the point Silent Mav made about Amare's athleticism. However, that's just the point. Amare's game is predicated on his athleticism. Quite frankly, Amare's age is the best thing he has going for him in this discussion since it would be easy to give him the benefit of the doubt concerning "potential". Right now? Nowitzki is the better player.

[gasolina]

No effin way. Does Amare have any offense outside pick and rolls and pick and pops? I would love to see Amare play with a charlie ward or an eric snow.

[doinitbig06]

didnt amare stoudamire play against the spurs this year in the first round? if he is better than tim duncan then he won that matchup right?

game 4, the LONE win in that series what were amare's numbers?

31:03 mins 3\11 FGs .273 1/3 FTs .333 9 rebs 1 assist 1 steal 3 blks 7 POINTS

in the elimination bounce back game, what were amare's stats?

14 pts 6/14 FGs 3/5 FTs 11 rebs 3 blocks 2 steals 0 assists

sorry, it aint just amare, but after that san antonio series i dont believe in any of the suns no more, thats why d'antoni left

[2LeTTeRS]

The final line in your post says enough. If Amare still needs to put it together, how could he be considered the best already? Anyone who watched Nowitzki in the playoffs wouldn't be so quick to discard him in favor of Amare as they are right now. Sure, I'll concede the point Silent Mav made about Amare's athleticism. However, that's just the point. Amare's game is predicated on his athleticism. Quite frankly, Amare's age is the best thing he has going for him in this discussion since it would be easy to give him the benefit of the doubt concerning "potential". Right now? Nowitzki is the better player.

No. Amare is a better big man than Dirk, simply because he scores his points closer to the basket. Seeing that there both similar in there impact on defense and on the boards this makes Amare much more valuable.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Amare doesnt have the arsenal of post moves Duncan or Jefferson has. He's aggressive, and a quick scorer, but nothin like the other 2 who have abilities to make shots

[loot]

gimme brand over amare.

[Sneakerpro]

Let me see him not be spoon fed for a whole season with Nash first.

[Silverbullit]

Ridiculous. Amare isn't top 3.

KG/Duncan/Dirk >>> Amare.

[Lebron23]

Let me see him not be spoon fed for a whole season with Nash first.


With or Without Steve Nash, I personally think that Amare Stoudemire can average 26 ppg because he is one of the best offensive big men in the NBA.

[2LeTTeRS]

Ridiculous. Amare isn't top 3.

KG/Duncan/Dirk >>> Amare.

Why is it that the only people that put Dirk over Amare are Mavs fans?

[Silent Mav]

Why is it that the only people that put Dirk over Amare are Mavs fans?

Where did I put him over Amare?

[west]

amire is not a leader or best player of the suns,steve nash make him look good,just like stockton and malone but malone is better player than stockton:)

[2LeTTeRS]

Where did I put him over Amare?

I wasn't speaking about you. I quoted Silverbullit and he, like about 75% of all the people who would take Dirk over Amare is a Mavs fan. Doesn't just apply to you though. FireMcFailPlease is a Wolves fan and he looks to be campaining for Al Jefferson over Amare, and loot is a Clips fan and he is saying he'd take Elton Brand over him. Those are all cases of homerism, I was just pointing out one of the ones you see the most on these boards because of the number of Mavs fans.

[omarnyc]

amire is not a leader or best player of the suns,steve nash make him look good,just like stockton and malone but malone is better player than stockton:)

how did nash make amare look good this year when he didnt look all that good himself? malone and stockton play different positions so how can you say malone is a better player?

[omarnyc]

Offensively, yes. But, he does not impact a game like KG or Timmy, and won't impact a game like they do until he plays defense and becomes a better rebounder.

kg's 'impact' is overrated, he has made no impact in the playoffs at all. i agree amare has to step it up on D, lets wait and see how much he improves now that he gets to play a full season at pf and plays for a coach who actually wants the team to play defense.i think because of the style phoenix plays people dont realize how nice this cat is. im not saying he's better then duncan or kg,i personally would take him over them both.

[Silent Mav]

KD, I am not without my homer moments. But I try to at least have an arguement to back up my opinion. And I have to acknowledge Amare's age and athleticism. But that's not to say that depending on the circumstances and players around them, there are times I would prefer Dirk.

[west]

how did nash make amare look good this year when he didnt look all that good himself? malone and stockton play different positions so how can you say malone is a better player?
at least steve is MVP,he still avaeage over 10 assists a game.(mostly pass the ball to amire)
would you rather have stockton or malone in your team???
and as a decent big man,average over 10 rebound is a gold standard,on his defense,he's only thinking about make some 'heroic block shot'

[2LeTTeRS]

KD, I am not without my homer moments. But I try to at least have an arguement to back up my opinion. And I have to acknowledge Amare's age and athleticism. But that's not to say that depending on the circumstances and players around them, there are times I would prefer Dirk.

I agree with you. Dirk would compliment a star big man better than Amare, while Amare probably does better with a swing or pure point guard than Dirk. I'll admit ts not a big difference between what the 2 produce on the court though, it just comes down to playing style.

[omarnyc]

at least steve is MVP,he still avaeage over 10 assists a game.(mostly pass the ball to amire)
would you rather have stockton or malone in your team???
and as a decent big man,average over 10 rebound is a gold standard,on his defense,he's only thinking about make some 'heroic block shot'

where are the stats to show that most of nash' 10 ass came on pases to amare?

[SCdac]

Scoring aside, Amare's 3.7 personal fouls per game were the third worst in the league this season, and he totalled the second-most fouls at 294 in 79 games. Duncan had 185 fouls in 78 games. Garnett had 163 in 71 games. Needless to say, that's some serious foul trouble, and leads one to question his defensive skills/IQ. Not to mention, he either has no real passing game, or he's never gone out of his way to show it. The great thing about Duncan/Garnett is that they can help others score, and get others open looks. They've shown it time and time again. Duncan's averages 3.1 assists for his career, with the highest in any season at 3.9 APG (2002-2003), put up 3.3 APG this post season. That is very good for a big man. Garnett only gets better. Garnett averages 4.4 assists for his career, with the highest at 6.0 APG in 2002-2003, put up 3.3 APG thus far this post season. 6 assists per game from a PF, can you ask for more? Now look at Stoudemire. He averages 1.3 assists for his career, with the highest in any season at 1.6 APG (2004-2005), put up 0.4 APG in the first round this postseason, 0.6 APG last postseason...

I'm not going to argue that stats are everything, but "ignorance" to me, would be assigning Stoudemire to greatness based on his scoring average alone. There's more to a player than that. It's not an individual game, at least for a franchise big it shouldn't be.

[west]

where are the stats to show that most of nash' 10 ass came on pases to amare?
as somebody said it before,'Does Amare have any offense outside pick and rolls and pick and pops???'

[Silverbullit]

I wasn't speaking about you. I quoted Silverbullit and he, like about 75% of all the people who would take Dirk over Amare is a Mavs fan. Doesn't just apply to you though. FireMcFailPlease is a Wolves fan and he looks to be campaining for Al Jefferson over Amare, and loot is a Clips fan and he is saying he'd take Elton Brand over him. Those are all cases of homerism, I was just pointing out one of the ones you see the most on these boards because of the number of Mavs fans.

Dirk is a franchise player, Amare never was.

[Rab]

kg's 'impact' is overrated, he has made no impact in the playoffs at all. i agree amare has to step it up on D, lets wait and see how much he improves now that he gets to play a full season at pf and plays for a coach who actually wants the team to play defense.i think because of the style phoenix plays people dont realize how nice this cat is. im not saying he's better then duncan or kg,i personally would take him over them both.
His defensive impact inside is noticable. His rebounding is noticable. His effort is noticable. These are all qualities Amare lacks. Amare's impact on a game usually is only on the offensive end of the floor, so that alone makes KG impact>Amare's. I'm as big a fan of Amare's as anyone, but I also see major flaws in his game that if he worked on, would push him over KG.

I think there is a fine line with the system the Suns played, and Amare's willingness to put effort into being a good defender that contribute to his defensive woes. Certainly you can attribute effort into why he's not a better rebounder. He simply doesn't go all out to get a board and often lets his man overpower him. Terry Porter can only teach so much, but it will ultimately be up to him to commit to defense and rebounding.

[Anti404]

Dirk is a franchise player, Amare never was.
No offense, but I find this to be a remarkably asinine comment. Dirk is older, has been in the league longer, and has also had good help around him. I fail to see how he is any more of a franchise player than Amare. I mean, Amare did average 30Pts on 54% Shooting, 10 Rebounds, and 2 blocks in the 04-05 playoffs. I fail to see how that's not a face of a franchise.

[west]

Dirk is a franchise player, Amare never was.
when people thinking about mavs it's all about dirk,on the other hand people think about suns it's all about steve nash and why they keep beaten by spurs...:(

[SCdac]

No offense, but I find this to be a remarkably asinine comment. Dirk is older, has been in the league longer, and has also had good help around him. I fail to see how he is any more of a franchise player than Amare. I mean, Amare did average 30Pts on 54% Shooting, 10 Rebounds, and 2 blocks in the 04-05 playoffs. I fail to see how that's not a face of a franchise.

Yeah, but they lost 4-1 to the Spurs, and haven't gotten past them since. :confusedshrug:

Dirk has had his embarrasing moments too, but HE HAS beaten the Spurs before, with pretty decent numbers that post-season. Then beat the Suns that year, and went on to the Finals. Not to mention, his MVP award.

[dafunkphenom]

Offensively, yes. But, he does not impact a game like KG or Timmy, and won't impact a game like they do until he plays defense and becomes a better rebounder.
Agreed!

[insidehoops]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant

Next time, give some actual EXPLANATION and REASONING behind your statements. Or else they're of little value.

[statman32]

Dirk is a franchise player, Amare never was.
We've had this discussion before man. Amare and Dirk are so close right now it could go either way and actually I put Dirk ahead of Amare in my latest rankings. But to use your argument and to say its ridiculous like you said in a earlier post is plain retarded.

Rab and Aroc summed my thoughts up and I do think that Amare will pass up Kg and Dirk this next year. I have high hopes for him.

[omarnyc]

His defensive impact inside is noticable. His rebounding is noticable. His effort is noticable. These are all qualities Amare lacks. Amare's impact on a game usually is only on the offensive end of the floor, so that alone makes KG impact>Amare's. I'm as big a fan of Amare's as anyone, but I also see major flaws in his game that if he worked on, would push him over KG.

I think there is a fine line with the system the Suns played, and Amare's willingness to put effort into being a good defender that contribute to his defensive woes. Certainly you can attribute effort into why he's not a better rebounder. He simply doesn't go all out to get a board and often lets his man overpower him. Terry Porter can only teach so much, but it will ultimately be up to him to commit to defense and rebounding.

well to be fair kg has a big advantage over amare in experience, 13 years to 5, so we cant really expect them to be on the same level right now, like i said im not saying amare is better i would just prefer to have him on my team. i think amare gets alotta flak for his defense and rebounding but he has been overpowered by bigger opponents his entire career and you got players like yao ming who's rebs are very close to amare's.playing for D'antoni hasnt helped him develope defensively, hopefully he will work on that and get better, and playing against pf's instead of centers is a plus.when you look at amare's career stats so far i think he stacks up well against any other c/pf.

21 pts...9 rebs
playoffs career stats
25 pts...10 rebs

kg career stats
20 pts..11 rebs / playoffs 21pts..12 rebs

duncan
21 pts...11 rebs / playoffs 20pts...11 rebs

yao
19pts...9 rebs /playoffs 21 pts...8rebs

[gigantes]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
cool, that sums up the seven-year olds.

but what do the eight-year olds think?

[flintstone]

He's not complete enough....he's a one man wrecking ball, with limited skills? He probably could be the best, if he really wanted to though?....he may not have limited skills at all?, if he got his head into it.

He is an impressive player, I'll give you that.

[mrpuente]

just like he did with (GOAT) Tim Duncan... I believe Pop can make Amare even greater than he is.

[flintstone]

just like he did with (GOAT) Tim Duncan... I believe Pop can make Amare even greater than he is.

Ya....he needs someone that would push him to the next level.

[brandonislegend]

duncan > kg >>> amare

[e20dyl4n]

amare is a loser and always will be a loser. i dont see him carrying a team like duncan. he doesnt do the little things. he does the things that make him look good dunks and bs. to someone who knows the game and isnt a superstar band wagon d1ck rider you can see right through amare for what he is

[mrpuente]

amare is a loser and always will be a loser. i dont see him carrying a team like duncan. he doesnt do the little things. he does the things that make him look good dunks and bs. to someone who knows the game and isnt a superstar band wagon d1ck rider you can see right through amare for what he is
dude is goin off:oldlol:

[danumber88]

Stoudamire is not beter than KG and timmy -.-

hes a great scorer, probably the best scoring big man. But he doesnt put that defensive, passing, intesity like kg and timmy..

[wang4three]

I'd take him over any other PF other than Duncan. Oh, and if you consider Dwight a PF too, but I don't.

[insidehoops]

amare is a loser and always will be a loser.

Stop typing stupid crap.

[Silverbullit]

We've had this discussion before man. Amare and Dirk are so close right now it could go either way and actually I put Dirk ahead of Amare in my latest rankings. But to use your argument and to say its ridiculous like you said in a earlier post is plain retarded.

Rab and Aroc summed my thoughts up and I do think that Amare will pass up Kg and Dirk this next year. I have high hopes for him.

It's ridiculous to say Amare is the BEST PF. That was my point.

[mattreis62]

I would take KG and Duncan (if you consider him a PF, not a center) over Amare anyday. There are two sides on a basketball court. I would also take Dirk over Amare because he has the long range game and he's a better rebounder. I think Amare still could be the best PF in the league, he just has to improve his weaknesses.

[Dizzay]

As has been said, both of them far outshine Amare in terms of rebounding and defense. That being said, while I admit Amare right now is a better offensive weapon than TD/KG... the gap is not that huge. Duncan and KG can still consistently drop 20 on you and create lots of opportunities on offense either trough passing or just with their presence. The gap on defense, however, IS wide. Amare is not in the same league as these two on D.

[Fallguy20]

Amares problem was that he looked terrible on defense against any average center in the leauge. Look at Amare before and after the Shaq experiment though... points, assists and steals all increased because he was allowed to play his natural pf position. He has the speed to play decent defense, but chances are he just likes blocks and not good team defensive plays and this makes him look bad. Agreed though, its no contest.Timmy is easily better all around and KG is way better defensively then to merit the Best PF award to Stoudemire.

[brandonislegend]

i remember earlier in the season when bynum kept owning amare with common fundamental moves...and blocking like 5 of his shots

[Timmy D for MVP]

If Amare were the best PF then the Pheonix Suns would have won at least 2 championships by now.

The fact is that Amare doesn't impact the game on both ends like Duncan or KG. His defense and rebounding aren't on par with those at the top.

And while he is consistently better at offense, if I were to choose which forward I wanted to take in a Game 7, I still think both KG and Duncan can have more of an impact offensively for one game as well if you make them your go to option a la game one of the Suns-Spurs series this year. They're both proven "gamers."

[RajonKGcelts]

The game goes 2 ways.

cosign

[Silverbullit]

well to be fair kg has a big advantage over amare in experience, 13 years to 5, so we cant really expect them to be on the same level right now, like i said im not saying amare is better i would just prefer to have him on my team. i think amare gets alotta flak for his defense and rebounding but he has been overpowered by bigger opponents his entire career and you got players like yao ming who's rebs are very close to amare's.playing for D'antoni hasnt helped him develope defensively, hopefully he will work on that and get better, and playing against pf's instead of centers is a plus.when you look at amare's career stats so far i think he stacks up well against any other c/pf.

21 pts...9 rebs
playoffs career stats
25 pts...10 rebs

kg career stats
20 pts..11 rebs / playoffs 21pts..12 rebs

duncan
21 pts...11 rebs / playoffs 20pts...11 rebs

yao
19pts...9 rebs /playoffs 21 pts...8rebs

Dirk
22 pts...9 rebs/playoffs 25 pts...11 rebs

[ninephive]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
Yah, I agree. Being better isn't about leading your team or winning. It's about who can dunk better.

Spurs 4 Championships > Amare 1.7 HS GPA

[miles berg]

He is 3rd after Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki.

[PacerRaptor]

Dwight is considered a PF also. When Battie is healthy, Dwight moves to the PF spot. I dont know who I would rather have, both are amazing and still young. Amare bounced back form the injury, so you cant really use that as a determinate for picking form thsoe 2

[dafunkphenom]

There are only 4 upper echelon elite big men right now in the league.
A pure back to the basket game is almost non existent in the league now so I class PF/C together.
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dwight Howard
4. Amare Stoudemire

[highwhey]

D12 is not better than Amare. No way man, not yet. Amare is unarguable one of the top big men in this league, but not the best. I'll put him in #3, seems about right, any lower and you need a reality check. One thing Amare has over kg and duncan is offense, Amare is like a beast, when unleashed he will go wild. For those of you comparing KG and Duncan to Amare in terms of titles, thats all BS. If you put Duncan or KG in the same spot as Amare, I guarantee you that Suns woulds till be title-less. It takes more than a bigman to win a title, Greg is a much better coach then D'antoni, and Spurs have a much deeper and better bench than the Suns, they have elite defenders, etc. You have to give Amare props, he's 6'10, and he played C for a while, going up against much bigger players than him.

[Da Hammer]

He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
lol noob. i love stoudamire but get back to me when he even learns to play D. Duncan and Garnett are 2 of the greatest defensive players in the history of the NBA without even mentioning their offensive skills. Amare has a LONG way to go to get to their level

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

4 1/2 years later KG and Duncan are still better than Amare.

[jimmy77x]

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[Fiasco]

I spot a grammar mistake.

[Wally450]

Didn't realize the date ... was about to go ham

[RoundMoundOfReb]

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[Artillery]

4 1/2 years later KG and Duncan are still better than Amare.

That's what happens when your entire game relies on athleticism.

[Michael_Wilbon]

That's what happens when your entire game relies on athleticism.

Yup. Take note Blake Griffin.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Yup. Take note Blake Griffin.
Blake Griffin has been declining since his rookie season, Amare at least used to improve and reached his peak midway in his career.

[Michael_Wilbon]

Blake Griffin has been declining since his rookie season, Amare at least used to improve and reached his peak midway in his career.

Very good point :cheers:

I doubt Griffin will ever be as good as prime Amare

[swi7ch]

4-year old thread. ISH :facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

Very good point :cheers:

I doubt Griffin will ever be as good as prime Amare

Last season I said Blake Griffin is a poor man's Amare Stoudamire, and it got hit hard. Not sure how people feel if I bring that thread up again at the end of this season.
:lol

[ZaaaaaH]

Blake Griffin has been declining since his rookie season, Amare at least used to improve and reached his peak midway in his career.


Kids love them NBA.com Numbers.

You will look like the OP in 2 Years.

Blake Declining LOL :roll:














































:facepalm

[bluechox2]

any amare that shows this season will be a bonus for us, all he has to do is contribute in any way...he gives us a great 1st option when melo goes to the bench. and i dont think it will take too long for amare to get acquainted with our offense with our 3 head pg's facilitation and controlling the offense