I Give You William Cooper, UFO's, Aliens, JFK, Bilderberg, & a 9/11 Prediction [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

MarloStanfield

06-25-2008, 01:55 PM

William Cooper was reared in an Air Force family. As a child he lived in many different countries, graduating from Yamato High School in Japan. Since he has traveled through or lived in many different foreign countries Mr. Cooper has a world view much different than most Americans.

William served with the Strategic Air Command, United States Air Force. He held a secret clearance working on B-52 bombers, KC-135 refueling aircraft, and Minuteman missiles. William received his Honorable Discharge from the United States Air Force in 1965.

William joined the United States Navy fulfilling a dream previously frustrated by chronic motion sickness. He served aboard the submarine USS Tiru (SS-416), USS Tombigbee (AOG-11), Naval Support Activity Danang RVN, Naval Security and Intelligence Camp Carter RVN, Danang Harbor Patrol RVN, Dong Ha River Security Group RVN, USS Charles Berry (DE-1035), Headquarters Commander in Chief Pacific Fleet, USS Oriskany (CVA-34).

Cooper was a member of the Office of Naval Security and Intelligence serving as a Harbor and River Patrol Boat Captain at Danang and the Dong Ha River Security Group, Cua Viet, Republic of Vietnam. William Cooper was awarded several medals for his leadership and heroism during combat including two with "V" for Valor.

He served on the Intelligence Briefing Team for the Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet. William was the Petty Officer of the Watch and designated KL-47 SPECAT operator in the CINCPACFLT Command Center at Makalapa Hawaii. There he held a Top Secret, Q, SI, security clearance.

William Cooper achieved the rank of First Class Petty Officer, QM1, E-6 after only 8 years of Naval service, a difficult task in any branch of the United States military. William Cooper received an Honorable Discharge from the United States Navy on December 11, 1975.

William attended Long Beach City College where he picked up an Associate of Science Degree in Photography. He founded the Absolute Image Studio and Gallery of Fine Art Photography in Long Beach, California.

William held the position of Executive Director of Adelphi Business College, Pacific Coast Technical Institute, and National Technical College. Mr. Cooper was the National Marketing Coordinator for National Education and Software.

He produced several documentaries covering subjects such as the Kennedy assassination and secret black projects that have built flying disk shaped craft. William is an internationally acclaimed radio personality broadcasting the Hour Of The Time on WBCQ worldwide short-wave 7.415 MHz from 10 PM until 11 PM Eastern Standard Time (0300 to 0400 UTC) Monday through Thursday nights.

William Cooper is the author of Behold A Pale Horse. The book has become the best selling underground book of all time. It is read and promoted by word of mouth by People of all races, religions, and nationalities.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/william.htm

"The circumstances surrounding Cooper's death are controversial. On November 5, 2001, officers of the Apache County Sheriff's Office decided to serve Cooper a warrant based on the above-mentioned charges. For reasons not explained, the Sheriff's Office sent deputies to Cooper's home at approximately 11:00PM, and instead of knocking on his door and announcing themselves, the deputies attempted to lure Cooper from his house by posing as citizens playing loud music on or near his property. Cooper, who was an above the knee amputee, went down to investigate the scene in his truck. It is disputed whether the deputies identified themselves or tried to serve an arrest warrant at that time. Nevertheless, Cooper announced he was returning to his house to contact the Eager Police Department, either to verify the warrant or to contact the local authorities in order to report what he may have still believed was a real disturbance. Before he could do so however, the sheriff's deputies tried to apprehend him, at which point shooting began. Although it is unclear who began firing, there are some who question the uncertain circumstances, and who was responsible for first shots fired. Independent investigators questioned who would fire first at a double amputee, and Cooper's supporters claimed it was a convenient death, given the close proximity to the September 11th attacks, of which Cooper had already predicted, three months or so prior to the attacks (on his show "Hour Of The Time", 6-28-2001), Cooper was armed and one deputy was wounded. Another deputy returned fire, killing Cooper.[9] Milton William Cooper was 58 years old."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper

Excerpts from the video below...

"And research everything that I'm telling you and you're own research will tell you that I am telling you the truth and I don't have to do that. You see, I'm a witness. I'm not a ufologist, and I'm not a researcher by profession. I'm doing this because I want the constitution put back where it belongs."

"All the witnesses who were close enough to the car to see William Greer as he shot President Kennedy were all murdered within 2 years of the event - that's fact."

"I don't care what you think of me. I don't care what you call me. I do care what you do with this information because it is important to our survival as a species. It's important to our planet. It is important for the world. What happens to me is of no consequence and I knew that when I started this. Over the last 17 years I knew that some day I was gonna have to get up and say this whether I wanted to or not - whether I was afraid or not. Now I am here and now it is done."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=App2uRxZ4Iw

Interesting stuff. Makes you wonder...

Randy

06-25-2008, 02:10 PM

Did I miss something? Where is the UFO, alien, and 9/11 info?

Rasheed1

06-25-2008, 02:10 PM

Behold a pale horse got me started trying to figure out the truth.

William Cooper was a guy I admired and he is one of the few people who retains his credibility.......

he was the man who predicted 911 was going to happen.

he is the guy who showed me what america's freedom was TRULY about....

If somebody were to say to me "who is the most credible person in all of this 'conspiracy suff' and I'd say it would be William Cooper... Not Jordan Maxwell (who is another one of my favorites), not Alex Jones (who is a jesuit), not Michael Tsarion (a druid) or G Edward Griffin. No William Cooper is the guy who I trust the most ..

William Cooper told you not even to believe him... told you to look with your eyes... see for yourself

Im gonna post some of his best stuff (mostly on Silent weapons for Quiet wars) here later

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 02:14 PM

It's been ten minutes and Dooms has not posted in this thread yet. Behold a Pale Horse is a chilling read.

F*ck William Cooper.

Rasheed1

06-25-2008, 02:15 PM

I saw his kennedy video and while it is grainy..... it does look like the driver is the guy who turns around and fires a shot that blows up kennedy's domw and then his wife starts climbing out the car as if she trying to get away....

Im beggin people to do yourselves a favor and look into these guys....

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 02:15 PM

Did I miss something? Where is the UFO, alien, and 9/11 info?

you gotta watch some of his videos on youtube.

Rasheed1

06-25-2008, 02:17 PM

you gotta watch some of his videos on youtube.

or better yet read his book....

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 02:19 PM

"The circumstances surrounding Cooper's death are controversial. On November 5, 2001, officers of the Apache County Sheriff's Office decided to serve Cooper a warrant based on the above-mentioned charges. For reasons not explained, the Sheriff's Office sent deputies to Cooper's home at approximately 11:00PM, and instead of knocking on his door and announcing themselves, the deputies attempted to lure Cooper from his house by posing as citizens playing loud music on or near his property. Cooper, who was an above the knee amputee, went down to investigate the scene in his truck. It is disputed whether the deputies identified themselves or tried to serve an arrest warrant at that time. Nevertheless, Cooper announced he was returning to his house to contact the Eager Police Department, either to verify the warrant or to contact the local authorities in order to report what he may have still believed was a real disturbance. Before he could do so however, the sheriff's deputies tried to apprehend him, at which point shooting began. Although it is unclear who began firing, there are some who question the uncertain circumstances, and who was responsible for first shots fired. Independent investigators questioned who would fire first at a double amputee, and Cooper's supporters claimed it was a convenient death, given the close proximity to the September 11th attacks, of which Cooper had already predicted, three months or so prior to the attacks (on his show "Hour Of The Time", 6-28-2001), Cooper was armed and one deputy was wounded. Another deputy returned fire, killing Cooper.[9] Milton William Cooper was 58 years old."

http://www.bonfirenight.net/sendcard/images/pc-remember-sil.gif

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 02:36 PM

Rasheed1

06-25-2008, 02:40 PM

that video has been prooven to be edited.

But the Driver would of been on it... that's for sure.

I dont really care which one of the people there did it..... Im not sure if the driver actually fires a shot, because like I said it was grainy and you say it was edited..... but the fact that he was set up to be killed by government officials is not in question to me...

if you watched the beautiful documentary called JFKII they do a great job of presenting their evidence....there is a ton of evidence and its crazy they havent been called on it for real

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 02:43 PM

I dont really care which one of the people there did it..... Im not sure if the driver actually fires a shot, because like I said it was grainy and you say it was edited..... but the fact that he was set up to be killed by government officials is not in question to me...

if you watched the beautiful documentary called JFKII they do a great job of presenting their evidence....there is a ton of evidence and its crazy they havent been called on it for real

So do you believe this guy William Cooper... about the stuff he says in regards to what happened to him in his life?

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 03:01 PM

I wonder if -primetime- has a opinion on this guy.

Rasheed1

06-25-2008, 03:04 PM

So do you believe this guy William Cooper... about the stuff he says in regards to what happened to him in his life?

yeah I do... Mostly because almost all of can be verified.. Also he never was the kind to try and sell his ideas to you.. he would tell you not to take his word for it, but to find out for yourselves... he would talk about real leaders, and how real leaders dont have too many followers because the followers quickly become leaders themselves....

he would also warn you if something he had said in the past turned out not to be true... he would caution against some of the stuff he wrote about aliens because he says he may have been tricked into believing that stuff (some of documents he saw and stuff like that)

i respect that about him...

guys like alex jones I dont trust because he borders on a fear monger sometimes and he is a jesuit who have their own agenda... Alex tells the truth most of the time, but he neglects a whole side to this issue and that tells me something... He never talks about the history of religion and how it is involved, how the vatican is involved, and how the JESUITS are involved... but alex is mostly correct about the things he chooses to speak about...

but Cooper went there... he spoke on the religious institutions and spoke on the bavarian illuminati and the power structure that guys like jordan and anthony hilder talk about today...

he was the man when it came to this stuff

Doomsday Dallas

06-25-2008, 03:32 PM

but Cooper went there... he spoke on the religious institutions and spoke on the bavarian illuminati and the power structure that guys like jordan and anthony hilder talk about today...

he was the man when it came to this stuff

What I remember him saying about the Book of Revelations is that either it is a secret agenda that the Illuminati are following,... or that it really is the word of God.

And also how Aliens will visit us and show us hollographic image of Christ in the year 2011.

Is any of that covered in his book?

Crazy stuff.... just crazy.

johndeeregreen

06-25-2008, 07:24 PM

William Greer didn't shoot John Kennedy.

rezznor

06-25-2008, 09:39 PM

Rasheed1

06-26-2008, 09:00 AM

been listening to this youtube and im pretty open minded, but this sounds a hell of lot like a mash up of various sci fi movies/shows/books, particularly the day the earth stood still, close encounters, and the x-files...does he provide any proof for the claims he is making? seems pretty outlandish to me...

youtube isnt the answer... You have watch a lecture these people like Cooper and Jordan Maxwell And tsarion give ... TAKE NOTES and then go back and look up the names and the books and the incidents they talk about... then you will begin to see how this stuff fits into place..

you cant just watch youtube and understand this stuff.. you have read the books and look up all the things they talk about.

7forever

10-13-2010, 10:29 AM

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xes...ville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's arm crossing over

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/nix.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisrecoil.gif
THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkcloserecoil.gif
The driver killed Kennedy and the Albert Nix film provides the conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.

Scoooter

10-13-2010, 01:49 PM

I don't see it.

Bladers

10-13-2010, 02:01 PM

Not seeing it either...

1987_Lakers

10-13-2010, 02:15 PM

I like Bill Cooper, but the fact that he said the driver shot JFK has got to make you wonder how credible he was, but props to him on predicting 9/11.

7forever

11-01-2010, 10:09 AM

niko

11-01-2010, 10:22 AM

tpols

11-01-2010, 10:56 AM

how exactly was 9/11 shocking? Someone tried to take down the WTC 10 years earlier. Is predicting a terrorist attack now some signal of genius? i can tell you at some point in some city we are going to have a worse attack. Guaranteed. Probably european too (they have worse security than NY does). Once this occurs will you call me a genius and follow my thinking from now on?
What? This guy was a intelligence officer who had access to and saw many things that niether you or I ever saw. He has given his expertise and opinion/interpretation on events and that is what separates him from us. You don't know anything so no one would care about your prediction. He's actually making these predictions based on what he has seen in his life as a guy behind the scenes.

Scoooter

11-01-2010, 11:12 AM

"The Pink Elephant in the room" is an English idiom for an obvious truth that is being ignored or goes unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.[1]

It is based on the idea that an elephant in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have made a choice. They are choosing to concern themselves with tangential or small and irrelevant issues rather than deal with the looming big one.
It is quite simply a cop-out. Everyone sees his left arm crossing over his shoulder, even if they deny it. The driver killed kennedy beyond any doubt and the nix film proves that clearly and conclusively.
I would disagree. Based on those GIFs, what you're mistaking for the driver turning and shooting is combination of the driver turning to look back at the President (understandable, as his head had just exploded) a reflected light from the passenger's hair. The man in the passenger seat has a bright smattering of light on top of his head, which moves with his head (and only appears to move with the driver's arm). Close examination shows the drivers left hand to never really cross his chest, although it does appear to come off the steering wheel.

7forever

11-04-2010, 08:13 PM

Connally said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot Kennedy.

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/Greerconnally.gif

Riddler

12-05-2010, 06:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey2MfXmJ3jo&feature=related

good video^

RaininThrees

12-05-2010, 07:05 PM

Scoooter

12-05-2010, 08:14 PM

That's what I said. The driver's hand never goes over his shoulder.

IcanzIIravor

12-05-2010, 10:20 PM

I like Bill Cooper, but the fact that he said the driver shot JFK has got to make you wonder how credible he was, but props to him on predicting 9/11.

I'm not able at the moment to check out his 9/11 prediction, but did he say on 9/11 we are going to have some planes jack us up or did he just say 'soon something major is going to happen'?

Riddler

12-05-2010, 10:25 PM

I'm not able at the moment to check out his 9/11 prediction, but did he say on 9/11 we are going to have some planes jack us up or did he just say 'soon something major is going to happen'?

Nope... he said the USA was going to blame Osama Bin Laden for a major terrorist attack in June 2001.

IcanzIIravor

12-05-2010, 11:00 PM

Nope... he said the USA was going to blame Osama Bin Laden for a major terrorist attack in June 2001.

Pardon me, but you have to be a kook to think AQ was not behind 9/11 at this point. You have the taped confessions of the dead guys, OBL's words himself and the words of al Zawahiri.

Basically he said a big attack was coming soon, but no hard date or even month and he said it would be a big conspiracy of the NWO/Illuminati?

sawyersauce

12-05-2010, 11:45 PM

Pardon me, but you have to be a kook to think AQ was not behind 9/11 at this point. You have the taped confessions of the dead guys, OBL's words himself and the words of al Zawahiri.

Basically he said a big attack was coming soon, but no hard date or even month and he said it would be a big conspiracy of the NWO/Illuminati?

Not to mention, Ahmed Shah Massoud - the leader of the resistance against the Taliban in Afghanistan - warned the U.S, in April 2001, that his intelligence staff had knowledge of a large scale pending terrorist attack by Al Quaeda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Masoud#Warning_the_world_.28September_1 1.2C_2001.29

He was conscequently assasinated by AQ agents on September 9 2001. 2 days before 9-11.

IcanzIIravor

12-05-2010, 11:48 PM

Not to mention, Ahmed Shah Massoud - the leader of the resistance against the Taliban in Afghanistan - warned the U.S, in April 2001, that his intelligence staff had knowledge of a large scale pending terrorist attack by Al Quaeda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Masoud#Warning_the_world_.28September_1 1.2C_2001.29

He was conscequently assasinated by AQ agents on September 9 2001. 2 days before 9-11.

It blows my mind that people believe 9/11 was a vast conspiracy by the USA. There is so much evidence pointing away from that nonesense that it boggles the mind. I guess OBL and company figured we did such a good job framing them that they not only don't bother to dispute it, but they believe it themselves.

1987_Lakers

12-06-2010, 12:12 AM

Stuckey

12-06-2010, 03:08 AM

just read some of his stuff about UFOs, pretty nutty stuff

i remember Bill Clinton was planning to expose area 51 stuff, but never went through with it

IcanzIIravor

12-06-2010, 03:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs

Have you seen the video made by the hijackers prior to 9/11? Do you think those are fake if you have?

Let me see if I can find the articles I posted on here before off Al Jazeera in which OBL and Al Zawahiri admit to 9/11.

Riddler

12-06-2010, 04:55 AM

Pardon me, but you have to be a kook to think AQ was not behind 9/11 at this point. You have the taped confessions of the dead guys, OBL's words himself and the words of al Zawahiri.

The December 13th 2001 video of Bin Laden's confession is an obvious fake.

That's my proof.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/687222.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FDFAF9F405B07A016F 5D469C530700A9E5EA4E8E725E2BA26D

you still think that is him?

IcanzIIravor

12-06-2010, 06:04 AM

The December 13th 2001 video of Bin Laden's confession is an obvious fake.

That's my proof.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/687222.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FDFAF9F405B07A016F 5D469C530700A9E5EA4E8E725E2BA26D

you still think that is him?

That's not what I am talking about. OBL, Zawahiri and others have spoken about 9/11. Combine that with the video's of the hijackers themselves, taped before they went to die and I just don't see how any logical person can conclude AQ didn't do it.

RoseCity07

12-06-2010, 06:17 AM

Anyone interested in UFO's needs to google Billy Meier.

That guy has had contact with aliens, filmed them, and has recorded the sound of a alien ship.

It's really insane.

Crown&Coke

12-06-2010, 02:38 PM

I have very little knowledge of this William Cooper, but I did see the JFK vid back in HS because my History teacher was really cool and was very interested in things like that in regards to US History. He opened my eyes to a lot of things.

One thing that struck me immediately when seeing the assasination vid, was the First Lady's first reaction was to jump up and grab President Kennedy's head that got blown off. The FIRST thing she does is jump up and chase down the broken part of his dome that is about to fall off the back of the Lincoln!

Not duck her head, not scream, not hide, but jump up to grab dudes cranium that had been broken off the rest of his head a second before. That is mighty odd. If I was in that situation, I would first duck, or jump because it would startle me. Not her, its like she knew what was gonna happen.

Conspiracy theorist I am at heart, but that is tough to explain. In the US Judicial system, one of the things they use to catch spouses who murdered their spouses is to compare their actions to that of a "normal" person going through the same situation. She knew what he was doing with Marylin Monroe (among others)... not saying she did it, but to me it looks like she knew.

1987_Lakers

12-06-2010, 02:57 PM

Anyone interested in UFO's needs to google Billy Meier.

That guy has had contact with aliens, filmed them, and has recorded the sound of a alien ship.

It's really insane.

Just youtube'd him, interesting guy no doubt. He had a dream that he was going to get shot in the chest by some man so when he woke up he put some type of medal on his chest & a couple of days later his dream came true. but the bullet hit the medal. Pretty crazy stuff.

Riddler

12-06-2010, 06:06 PM

That's not what I am talking about. OBL, Zawahiri and others have spoken about 9/11. Combine that with the video's of the hijackers themselves, taped before they went to die and I just don't see how any logical person can conclude AQ didn't do it.

links?

edit: and I see you didn't deny that the December 13th tape is a fake.

airchibundo507

12-06-2010, 06:39 PM

Anyone interested in UFO's needs to google Billy Meier.

That guy has had contact with aliens, filmed them, and has recorded the sound of a alien ship.

It's really insane.

Good stuff, bro.

I love how people who say that there's a 100% chance of life beyond our planet are the same ones that scoff at the idea of aliens communicating with humans.

IcanzIIravor

12-06-2010, 07:02 PM

links?

edit: and I see you didn't deny that the December 13th tape is a fake.

I go by what Al Jazeera and other outside sources say. I'm looking for the video that Al Jazeera showed of OBL admitting to 9/11. Here are some links I've found so far:

link to pbs article (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html)

link to cbs article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/30/terror/main652425.shtml)

article about OBL and the 9/11 hijackers (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/07/terror/main1982773.shtml)

link from al jazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2007/09/2008525132236327280.html)

The tape certainly could be fake, but there is a ton of evidence outside of that. Now if you tell me Al Jazeera is in on the conspiracy then I think we will have to agree to disagree from there.

Stuckey

12-06-2010, 07:45 PM

Anyone interested in UFO's needs to google Billy Meier.

That guy has had contact with aliens, filmed them, and has recorded the sound of a alien ship.

It's really insane.
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i cant find a decent page with his contact logs, apparently he met alien jesus

got a good link?

Riddler

12-06-2010, 07:52 PM

I go by what Al Jazeera and other outside sources say. I'm looking for the video that Al Jazeera showed of OBL admitting to 9/11. Here are some links I've found so far:

link to pbs article (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html)

link to cbs article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/30/terror/main652425.shtml)

article about OBL and the 9/11 hijackers (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/07/terror/main1982773.shtml)

link from al jazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2007/09/2008525132236327280.html)

The tape certainly could be fake, but there is a ton of evidence outside of that. Now if you tell me Al Jazeera is in on the conspiracy then I think we will have to agree to disagree from there.

Wait a second... I requested videos of al queda admitting the plot before they went to die.

Combine that with the video's of the hijackers themselves, taped before they went to die

what do you mean by this? they have videos of the alleged hijakers? what does this prove?

IcanzIIravor

12-06-2010, 07:59 PM

Wait a second... I requested videos of al queda admitting the plot before they went to die.

what do you mean by this? they have videos of the alleged hijakers? what does this prove?

You're kidding right? You have AQ sending tapes and videos to Al Jazeera owning up to 9/11. You have video of OBL with some of the 9/11 hijackers. Are you saying this doesn't prove that OBL and AQ plotted and carried out 9/11? Is that what you are telling me? You realize to that AQ has never disputed the tapes and video and contacts Al Jazeera says they have received from AQ right? So are you telling me that Al Jazeera is faking the information as well?

The videos show the 9/11 hijackers last testements and why they are carrying out the attacks. My question to you is what do they not prove?

Riddler

12-06-2010, 10:09 PM

You're kidding right? You have AQ sending tapes and videos to Al Jazeera owning up to 9/11. You have video of OBL with some of the 9/11 hijackers. Are you saying this doesn't prove that OBL and AQ plotted and carried out 9/11? Is that what you are telling me? You realize to that AQ has never disputed the tapes and video and contacts Al Jazeera says they have received from AQ right? So are you telling me that Al Jazeera is faking the information as well?

The videos show the 9/11 hijackers last testements and why they are carrying out the attacks. My question to you is what do they not prove?

First off... I have not seen every video of some random muslim supposedly in AQ taking credit for 9/11 (nor have I seen any for that matter)... which ones are you talking about specifically.

As for OBL... you just agreed that the December 13th tape could be a fake. Well do you think it is or isn't, because that's a pretty big f*cking deal if it is.... and clearly, judging from my perspective and using my two eyes... that video is a fake... which concludes that somebody in our government is a lying piece of $hit.

Also if the December 13th tape is a fake... why is it stupid to think that the 2004 and 2007 tape of him isn't fake as well?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/coverStoryPictures/18923.jpg

Needless to say that admission of guilt does not prove anything. If I admitted that I killed JFK does that prove it? The FBI currently has no evidence that OBL orchestrated any aspect of 9/11.

Also... regardless of what any Muslim or Middle Eastern Person says... I believe that there is no way in the bloody pit of Haiti that Building 7 because of fire.

You do realize that many victims families have taken it upon themselves to make sure the public knows about Building 7? I can assure you from my own experience the average person doesn't even know this building fell on 9/11 and they should because it's clear as day that it was a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYJ8nsDmBQ8

So if you want to know why people are skeptical such as myself... I think i've answered your question.

IcanzIIravor

12-06-2010, 10:23 PM

First off... I have not seen every video of some random muslim supposedly in AQ taking credit for 9/11 (nor have I seen any for that matter)... which ones are you talking about specifically.

As for OBL... you just agreed that the December 13th tape could be a fake. Well do you think it is or isn't, because that's a pretty big f*cking deal if it is.... and clearly, judging from my perspective and using my two eyes... that video is a fake... which concludes that somebody in our government is a lying piece of $hit.

Also if the December 13th tape is a fake... why is it stupid to think that the 2004 and 2007 tape of him isn't fake as well?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/coverStoryPictures/18923.jpg

Needless to say that admission of guilt does not prove anything. If I admitted that I killed JFK does that prove it? The FBI currently has no evidence that OBL orchestrated any aspect of 9/11.

Also... regardless of what any Muslim or Middle Eastern Person says... I believe that there is no way in the bloody pit of Haiti that Building 7 because of fire.

You do realize that many victims families have taken it upon themselves to make sure the public knows about Building 7? I can assure you from my own experience the average person doesn't even know this building fell on 9/11 and they should because it's clear as day that it was a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYJ8nsDmBQ8

So if you want to know why people are skeptical such as myself... I think i've answered your question.

You don't have a significant portion of the world trying to kill you so you refusing to admit that you didn't kill JFK has no consequences. Now you have video of OBL with many of the 9/11 hijackers and the information that AQ has given to Al Jazeera (you know about them, correct and how the USA has had many clashes with Al Jazeera broadcasting information from AQ]. So you have the video testimonials of the 9/11 hijackers, OBL and al Zawahiri praising the hijackers actions and the words of OBL and al Zawahiri in regards to 9/11, yet you think they had nothing to do with it?

What evidence do you have that the USA brought down the towers in an elaborate conspiracy? Do you have evidence explosives where planted? Some evidence of US agents admitting they conspired? Anything outside of a gut feeling or the odd way tower 7 went down?

The 9/11 hijackers where not supposed random members of AQ, so I find that dismissive response to be odd. Are you saying they where not confirmed members of AQ?

Indeed that tape could be fake, but a fake video does not mean all the videos and audio tapes are fake, correct? Building 7 has been debated multiple times on this board and others, yet when I ask for what evidence there is that the USA did it I have yet to find this evidence that we planted explosives. Perhaps you can be the one to show that.

Riddler

12-06-2010, 10:36 PM

You don't have a significant portion of the world trying to kill you so you refusing to admit that you didn't kill JFK has no consequences. Now you have video of OBL with many of the 9/11 hijackers and the information that AQ has given to Al Jazeera (you know about them, correct and how the USA has had many clashes with Al Jazeera broadcasting information from AQ]. So you have the video testimonials of the 9/11 hijackers, OBL and al Zawahiri praising the hijackers actions and the words of OBL and al Zawahiri in regards to 9/11, yet you think they had nothing to do with it?

OBL would be the type of guy to praise an attack on the United States... that's why he would be an excellent patsy... But praising an attack isn't an admission of guilt... and as I know, the only admission of guilt that I know of from OBL exists in the form of three separate video tapes... one released december 13th 2001 which served as the sole reason to invade Afghanistan.
Another was released in 2004, ironically enough it was 4 days before the Presidential election (but I'm sure that was just a coincidence for Bush)... and the other was released in 2007.

Unfortunately I believe all three of these video tapes are fake.

The only thing I think is real is that OBL denied any involvement in 9/11 right before he died.

CNN even reported that OBL denied involvement.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US
Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

in a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

I'll get back to you on the rest of your post in a second.

1987_Lakers

12-06-2010, 10:56 PM

Reptilians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFFefD1hG9Y&feature=related

Lebron23

12-07-2010, 05:44 AM

I also think that the Real Osama Bin Laden passed away in 2001. A Book claimed that Bin Laden died of Kidney failure in late 2001.

Riddler

12-07-2010, 06:01 AM

I also think that the Real Osama Bin Laden passed away in 2001. A Book claimed that Bin Laden died of Kidney failure in late 2001.

Yep... December of 2001 would be the correct answer.

as soon as the OBL was confirmed to be dead they were able to release a fake video tape of his confession.

Fox News accidentally ran with this report. (or had to report it because Pakistan was)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

I think there is a reason why they spelled his name with a "U" instead of an "O" but I can't say specifically for what.

RoseCity07

12-07-2010, 07:13 AM

\

i cant find a decent page with his contact logs, apparently he met alien jesus

got a good link?

My brother was showing me some site that has some prophecies, I'll try and post later.

Here is the recording of the Alien ship.

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/space_ship_audio_deconstruction.html

It's pretty creepy.

7forever

01-03-2011, 11:03 AM

That's what I said. The driver's hand never goes over his shoulder.

It absolutely does cross his right shoulder in the nix film which completely debunks and exposes the silly alterations committed to the zfilm to hide those movements that killed Kennedy. Three points of fakery covered the movements of Greer's gun, hand and arm for the zfilm.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkcloserecoil.gif

7forever

01-03-2011, 11:13 AM

OVER, THEN ACROSS=FAKE.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfklookthatkill.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint576.jpg
ACROSS WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint514.jpg
Bill Greer was jfk's real assassin. Sad but true, irrefutable fact.
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7forever

01-03-2011, 11:16 AM

THIS IS MOST LIKELY THE CLOSEST EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT PLACING THE GUN IN GREER'S HAND.

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761
Deposes and says:
I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was sitting back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. /s/ Hugh William Betzner, Jr.
http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html
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7forever

01-03-2011, 11:24 AM

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
FRAME 241 showing both hands close together right before he passes gun.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint315.jpg
Greer passes gun and frame 258 showing covered gun by driver's door.
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http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/WallPaint728.jpg

7forever

01-05-2011, 12:56 PM

I love you, 7Forever! You are the STUFF that reality is made of.

You solved it and I'm embarrassed to say that I don't even know about the
"Nix film".

Please inform about this, I have seen shots from that side that intrigued me very much. Good animated gif work.

Computerman
Technical Assistant
Hawaiian-TV
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif

Lebron23

01-05-2011, 03:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0

Stuckey

01-05-2011, 03:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlfgYKoWlLA&feature=related

smh at this guy

Riddler

01-05-2011, 09:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0

Yea... I think the driver theory has been debunked for awhile.

Unless the Zapruder film has been edited (which is still a possibility because they had in their possession for several years).

Still, the driver is still probably in on it because of the speed drove... and the turn he made on elm street which is like a 130 degrees... the secret service should have made turn that is more than 90 degrees... or at least I read that somewhere.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ball0888/oswald/plaza.jpg

The shot came from the damn grassy knoll just like the all the witnesses said.

pete's montreux

01-05-2011, 09:20 PM

http://www.bookapex.com/images/Four-Days-in-November-The-Assassination-of-President-John-F-Kennedy-0393332152-L.jpg

Read it then apologize, Dooms.

Enigmatism

01-05-2011, 10:00 PM

behold a pale horse was interesting to me like 12 years ago... there are some truths and some silly (in retrospect) conjecture and theory... i think the dude meant well tho and it was very ... interesting...that he was murdered by the police not even 2 months after 9/11

7forever

01-06-2011, 03:36 PM

The driver has the only angle with which to create the right rear exit that was there.
FROM THE MOVIE
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint244.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint296.jpg
Greer's angle was perfect.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint297.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkslowjoltgif.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint441.jpg

7forever

01-14-2011, 09:32 PM

Gifs have made the case against this goon, Greer, who was Kennedy's real assassin. Over and over and over an over we can see this killer slowing for only himself and then speeding off to Parkland.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/nixjfk.gif
Greer's left arm crosses over in nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif
Enhanced and zoomed nix gif showing Greer's left arm crossing with headshot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
It's a brand new year that'll continue to expose this obvious truth to more people who are ignorant of the fact that the driver was jfk's real assassin.

Draz

01-15-2011, 12:32 AM

I don't understand how the driver can kill JFK when there's witnesses in the car including his wife??

RaininThrees

01-15-2011, 09:25 AM

I don't understand how the driver can kill JFK when there's witnesses in the car including his wife??

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT.

CONSPIRRRAACCYYYY

(and, this is ridiculous. JFK had been shot, something was happening in the backseat and the driver turned around to see what was going on.)

RaininThrees

01-15-2011, 09:46 AM

I think there is a reason why they spelled his name with a "U" instead of an "O" but I can't say specifically for what.

Fox does this to make him appear more foreign and evil. They go over it in "OutFoxed".

Its the same reason Fox changes any reference in any AP article of "suicide bombers" to "homicide bombers" - to make it seem like what they are doing is more "evil".

7forever

01-15-2011, 11:01 AM

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT.

CONSPIRRRAACCYYYY

(and, this is ridiculous. JFK had been shot, something was happening in the backseat and the driver turned around to see what was going on.)

You are ridiculous. If my work is wrong then prove it. It doesn't make any difference whether it makes sense to you, only that you cannot and will not challenge any of the clear evidence that Greer was the only person who could have killed Kennedy based on the available information and the films.

7forever

01-15-2011, 11:03 AM

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT.

CONSPIRRRAACCYYYY

(and, this is ridiculous. JFK had been shot, something was happening in the backseat and the driver turned around to see what was going on.)

You have challenged none of the evidence because you can't. You simply made a statement of disagreement which would be met with laughter by everyone in a courtroom.:roll:

7forever

01-15-2011, 11:10 AM

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT.

CONSPIRRRAACCYYYY

(and, this is ridiculous. JFK had been shot, something was happening in the backseat and the driver turned around to see what was going on.)

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Greer placed the gun in his left hand before he turned the first time.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/gifsoup.gif
Frame 258 showing fitted gun.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/WallPaint728.jpg

Legend of Josh

01-15-2011, 11:35 AM

People will go to such extremes to help themselves sleep better at night thinking the good old USA would never do something as such to it's own people. Your type is so fu*king ignorant and prideful you won't even consider the possibility much less see the clearly painted picture how all this went down with JFK.

Not to mention so many other times in our recent history. Such as Moon Landing and 9/11.

RaininThrees

01-15-2011, 11:36 AM

You have challenged none of the evidence because you can't. You simply made a statement of disagreement which would be met with laughter by everyone in a courtroom.:roll:

I'm sorry, but you can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only prove that something DID. The burden is on you to prove it, not me.

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

Riddler

01-15-2011, 11:53 AM

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

Well to be fair... (and I'm not big on the driver being a part of it)... It does look like the driver is slows down to wait for the final shot to destroy Kennedy... and then once he sees his head blown off he drives faster... I'd never really examined that angle.

Just seems like he would of been accelerating before the final shot killed Kennedy... that's all I'm sayiong.

7forever

01-15-2011, 12:47 PM

pareidolia
a type of illusion or misperception involving a vague stimulus which is perceived as clearly being something

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit (http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/)
I would like to thank the one post flop for giving me a word that defines the silly alterations committed to the zfilm.

There is no hand or arm coming off the wheel between frames 303-304 primarily because Greer's arm crosses in nix but there is nothing but obvious fakery to produce something that is not there but is supposed to be. THERE IS NO HAND BECAUSE GREER PLACED THE GUN IN HIS LEFT HAND (AND NEVER RETURNED IT TO THE WHEEL UNTIL AFTER HE SHOT JFK) AND KILLED JFK. And that pesky little nix film that debunks the silly cartoon-like ZFilm.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/fakehandgifslow.gif

7forever

01-15-2011, 12:50 PM

I'm sorry, but you can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only prove that something DID. The burden is on you to prove it, not me.

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

I proved something that obviously happened but was ignored completely by the people who exposed this cover-up. The lie is the grassy knoll and that was created by the government themselves to distract attention from Greer.

7forever

01-15-2011, 12:53 PM

I'm sorry, but you can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only prove that something DID. The burden is on you to prove it, not me.

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

You cannot disprove visual facts, only deny them. There is no other plausible shooter besides Greer. Show me what you got.LOL I will destroy the grassy knoll and that is the only thing anyone has but it ironically was created by most likely the CIA when the film was altered.

7forever

01-15-2011, 12:56 PM

I'm sorry, but you can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only prove that something DID. The burden is on you to prove it, not me.

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

You think because you say the film is grainy that that means anything except a week cop-out? Puleeese...LOL The films have been used by hundreds of researchers but I'm the only one thus far who got it right and was willing to point out the obvious.

7forever

01-15-2011, 01:00 PM

I'm sorry, but you can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only prove that something DID. The burden is on you to prove it, not me.

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

I'm sorry, but you can't disprove something that did happen. You can only deny something that DID happen. YOU POSED NO CHALLENGE TO VISUAL PROOF OF GREER'S GUILT AND OBVIOUS ZFILM ALTERATION.:facepalm

Draz

01-16-2011, 12:59 AM

I'm on an itouch so I can't check out the gifs but to conclude this, what your trying to say is tht everyones in on it so the driver shoots JFK infront of his wife who is also in on it infront of everyone millions of people? Why didn't they choose another way of doing this to him infront of millions of people my only answer would be because they want to get the point accross but how far away is the car away from the people and other cars?

Also as for OBL I agree I think they faked the videos I remember in one video of what is supposed to be Binladin speaking he has a ring on the wrong hand which religiously cannot be worn on the I think his left hand not sure if someone can confirm it. Although I wouldn't say the guy is innocent he's a bad guy evil man but would be perfect to point fingers on.

Bump?

7forever

01-16-2011, 02:24 PM

It's hard to imagine a better comparable to the Kennedy forehead shot. You can see the bullet smoke when it strikes his face which is mirrored by the nix gif showing the bullet strike his right forehead consistent with my work placing the entrance over the right eye and logically exiting the right rear, supported by 40 witnesses including Greer and Jackie Kennedy.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/facee-shot_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/nixx_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint305.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint441.jpg

7forever

01-16-2011, 02:26 PM

joe

01-16-2011, 02:52 PM

7forever

01-16-2011, 04:32 PM

I'm sorry, but you can't prove that something didn't happen. You can only prove that something DID. The burden is on you to prove it, not me.

And blurry images in animated GIFs with MS Paint circles on them aren't convincing me... especially when there are more plausible explanations for the actons of the driver. Sorry man.

You are an ignorant person posting about a subject you know nothing about.LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/gross_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

RaininThrees

01-16-2011, 04:57 PM

You are an ignorant person posting about a subject you know nothing about.LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/gross_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

Couple things:

- You responded to the same post 5 times.

- I don't care about this enough to argue at length about it. If you think that the the person who killed the President of the United States was the one driving the car that everyone in attendance was looking at, and it's apparently just being brought out now... then, well I guess you're entitled to that. Nothing you've presented is convincing IMO. Believing something other than your conspiracy theory does not make me "ignorant".

Have fun responding to this several times, though.

7forever

01-16-2011, 05:45 PM

The WC is a fantasy. The grassy knoll is a government created theory to distract from Greer. The driver shooting jfk is not just the truth, it's a very obvious truth that at least 95% of open minded people will believe in a heartbeat. They will laugh at the complete absurdity of the WC and realize how they were fooled by the grassy snow job and believe the obvious about the shot from the driver.

7forever

01-19-2011, 01:38 PM

I'm going to tell you this once. You have NOT read through this thread and the only thing that you're doing is posting nonsense and silly denials of visual facts. OSWALD IS INNOCENT AND DIDN'T SHOOT ANYONE. There is absolutely no evidence to back that up. No one has challenged anything I've posted because there is no defense against visual facts.

You ignore that Greer has both hands off the wheel before he turns the first time and passes an object which is the gun because you are doing what anyone has to do to deny an unpleasant fact. Whatever you think you know about the fatal shot is complete bull# and easily disproven by simply watching Greer in zapruder and nix.

HE KILLED KENNEDY AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO EXCEPT DENY THE FACTS THAT PROVE HE CLEARLY SHOT JFK. Arguments posed by other members ARE SIMPLE DENIALS AND NOTHING MORE. There are ZERO flaws in the common sense that Greer shot jfk...none. I have continued to rape the souls of thousands of kooks and wackos on 30 or 40 forums since October. I posted more evidence and logic than any army of lawyers could handle let alone some pea brains on any message board.

7forever

01-20-2011, 01:50 PM

So his wife never noticed the driver turning around and shooting her husband in the face? Or you think she did notice and just kept quiet about it?

Seriously........get a brain.

So, his wife never noticed the driver turning shooting her husband in the face because she was looking at her husband. Or do you think she did notice even though she wasn't looking in Greer's direction?LOL YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY STUPID.

Seriously........get a brain.
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http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/sexisgif2.gif
HAHAHA

Take Your Lumps

01-20-2011, 10:45 PM

http://memegenerator.net/Pawn-Stars/ImageMacro/1818072/Pawn-Stars-I-think-this-is-a-cool-story-bro-but-let-me-call-my-buddy-whos-an-expert-on-cool-stories.jpg

Gundress

01-21-2011, 01:00 AM

JFK speaks on Secret Society Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

7forever

01-21-2011, 10:56 AM

(Today 07:41 AM)rsol Wrote:
this is what i mean by a lack of ideas. now you are childishly repeating my words.

well done for not dropping more gifs.

I deny your "facts" because you are trying to sell a blob as a gun.

I deny that a man putting his hand up and onto the steering wheel in order to turn his head easier is what "passing a gun" looks like.

You cant just decide what is on the screen and just keep repeating it hoping it will finally sell. not on this forum anyway.

what evidence of film alteration?

This is what i mean by your lack of any challenge and posing faux authority and simply lying. I am mocking you, you twit.

You deny the "facts" because you have no defense against what Greer is doing in zapruder and nix which proves he was the shooter and the zfilm was altered to hide that fact.

You deny that Greer passed the gun before he turns the first time even though it is happening. You deny that his hand hand/arm cross in nix which proves the zfilm was altered to hide those movements which killed Kennedy. YOU ARE DENYING VISUAL AND IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

I can and did point out what has been ignored for 47 years and use it to prove Greer was the shooter.

Overwhelming evidence of film alteration which you are required to ignore because you are a beaten idiot on a little message board.

RaininThrees

01-21-2011, 01:26 PM

Yeah, its time this thread is closed, IMO.

OR AM I THE MAN TRYING TO SILENCE THIS TRUTHSPEAKER???

(I'm not - the thread has just gotten pointless)

Take Your Lumps

01-21-2011, 02:00 PM

Yeah, its time this thread is closed, IMO.

OR AM I THE MAN TRYING TO SILENCE THIS TRUTHSPEAKER???

(I'm not - the thread has just gotten pointless)

I N C E P T I O N

7forever

01-22-2011, 11:33 AM

Yeah, its time this thread is closed, IMO.

OR AM I THE MAN TRYING TO SILENCE THIS TRUTHSPEAKER???

(I'm not - the thread has just gotten pointless)

Please continue posting denials and claiming faux authority of which you have ZERO. It's quite PATHETIC. It also proves you have no defense against visual facts and are clueless. It does show you seem to think that consensus is more important than a convincing argument. Ghandi wouldn't like you.:no:

I point to the fake reflection on Roy's hair and because the REFLECTION is different on a different angle, with different film, settings, it is fake. I also show Greer's left arm crossing in the nix film which proves why the three points of fakery were added to Zapruder to cover those movments which killed Kennedy.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
I use witnesses including Jackie Kennedy and Greer. The shot went in the right front and out the right rear fired by Bill Greer.

Your kung fu is weak. I know you THINK think your denials mean something. I'm just telling you they don't.

You are denying what is visually happening in nix and zapruder.:rant

The "gun" is visible. You are denying reality.

The "grassy knoll" is a red herring created during the alteration of the zfilm to distract from Greer. This is common sense and fits with the evidence perfectly.

Logic flows naturally, it does need pushing...and animated gifs.:rockon:

7forever

01-23-2011, 12:51 PM

WATCH THIS GIF...WATCH HIS RIGHT HAND MOVE TO HIS LEFT.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/gifsoup.gif
THE ONLY STORY left to tell is what I've posted in this thread, destroying the movie and an industry full of LYING conspiracy authors who are ironically the most responsible for keeping the truth from the masses.
GREAT GIF showing his right to left movement. Keep your eyes through the windshield.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/greer4.gif
FRAME 278 is the last clear view of the fitted gun in Greer's left hand. Logic dictates that Greer would not have put his hand back on the wheel only 2 seconds before he was gonna shoot Kennedy. It's common sense that he moved the gun from lower position in a similar way to resting it on his chest, so all he had to do was raise, straighten and shoot over the seatback. There was no wild motion, flailing of the gun. The gun was rested near his right collarbone before he turned the second time at frame 302 to shoot.
FRAME 278- You can see the fitted gun from frames 242-278 except 64/65 because of the lamp post.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint617.jpg

Riddler

01-23-2011, 01:04 PM

wow... serious arguing going on here.

I missed all this.

7forever

01-29-2011, 08:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 7forever
You think I wanted your attention.LOL You are completely delusional. The only people I hoped to debate were fools like pooboy who supposedly believe the grassy knoll is how it happened. The shot came from the front, not the right side and that's the only thing that matters for modern day Kennedy research, debunking the government created conspiracy theory that distracts from the truth about Greer.

You know 7, I think it is more than just people not wanting to see the truth. I think a lot of times they CAN'T accept the truth because of what it would mean ... If powerful people in and above our government had no problem killing a president, they would have no problem killing anyone else, including them, and that is something that a lot of people just can't accept. The average person has a terrible time with evil and violence, and there are limits to how far they will follow some terrible thing, because they know down deep that they can't handle the answer they will find. They don't want to know, because it would destroy their safe little world.

It is the same reason people can't believe the false flag attacks that happened 30 or 40 years ago, even though the evidence has come out which proves that those things happened. It is the same reason that they cannot look at the scientific information relating to the 9-11 event, and even consider the possibility that it was carried out by or with the help of our very own government. If they allowed themselves to believe or accept the fact that the very government that controls them was capable of murdering it's own citizens, it would put them over the edge.

Everyone has to believe in something and once that allegiance is formed, they get locked into believing anything they are told by that entity, without question. And the fact that the news media repeats the stuff over and over is a brain washing technique that psychologists have known about for almost a century. Some may even have crossed over into Stockholm syndrome where they believe and identify with their captors.

Think about that for a moment ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express adulation and have positive feelings towards their captors that appear irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, essentially mistaking a lack of abuse from their captors as an act of kindness.

They even begin to defend their captors. How is that different from the way some people look at this country and the government? People are taxed to death, their freedoms are taken away, their savings are taken away, their kids are indoctrinated, their food and water is poisoned, the old people and veterans are abused, and yet they cannot look at the possibility that this country and government are now corrupt and capable of anything. They won't believe because they can't believe. It would crumble the very foundation of their belief system, or in the language of youth, it would rock their world!
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7forever

01-30-2011, 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEKYLL-7
The limo driver didn't shoot him. As for causes why he was shot...federal reserve, splintering the CIA, trying to stop the MIC in it's tracks. Take your pick, I am sure elements of all groups were not unhappy with the end result.

The limo driver did shoot him, very obviously. As for why he was shot...federal reserve, splintering the CIA, trying to stop the MIC in it's tracks. Take your pick, I am sure elements of all groups were happy with the end result because jfk was no more. They were very happy that everyone ignored the fact that Greer killed Kennedy, that is for damn sure.

An awesome post about the inside job that killed Kennedy.

JFK was probably the last President the US has had that was trying to rally the country around patriotism and to show everyone the US was a country that wanted peace and equality in the world. Granted, he was the major factor and mitigating force that thrust us into the Vietnam war, but John Kennedy did a few good things before he was murdered.

He was the man who structured and created the Civil Rights Bill, he made us shoot for the moon literally. He also rallied many nations into our corner because they still remembered the contribution America made in ending world war two. The war was only fifteen years behind people when he became President. It was America's money that rebuilt Europe and Japan and kept Russia from starving to death when their crops failed several times in a row while America's bounty was endless.

He did want to get the Federal Reserve out of doing or having any control of the currency of the US. He did sign an Executive Order instituting a new Silver monetary system. He actually had some of the new money printed and it was circulated. If I recall correctly it was called the United States Silver Note. He had Five, Ten and Twenty Dollar bills printed and put into circulation.

He also was the first Catholic President the US ever had and there were many who were afraid the Pope would be calling the shots in the US. Believe it or not, that was one of the topics of the day. Many people did not like or trust the Catholics.

When Kennedy was elected there was a military plan on the table to have Castro ousted. He was playing ball with the US until he took over Cuba but once he had control he made his political beliefs know to anyone who wanted to hear about them. He was a Communist and he abhorred Capitalists or Capitalism. The Hilton Corporation, Spreckle Sugar and many more mega moneyed corps who lost a bundle in Cuba when Castro took over, and they didn't like it one bit. They wanted their property back. Eisenhower and his people had vowed to do just that and they had formulated the plan to strike Cuba in a military invasion and they would use Cuban Nationals to do it.

Kennedy was assured it was foolproof, it was for the good of those who yearned for liberty and there were thousands of Cuban who wanted their country back. In the meantime the Castro and Che' Guevara firing squads were shooting people around the clock. Men, women and some children were executed. The biggest boosters of the plan was the CIA and of course the corporations that lost huge investments in Cuba. Cuba had been a playground just 90 miles from the States and then everything was shut down virtually overnight. There were a lot of people that didn't like that either. Cuba was a wide open playground if you could afford to spend a little while you were there. Some of the shows were legendary. It seemed like a good idea and Kennedy went along with the plan.

The final approval was to come from the new President and he gave it after he was assured nothing could go wrong. The invasion was launched on the Cuba mainland by Cubans and American mercenaries along with CIA operatives. It was supposed to be covered by US naval forces who had their numbers on the bows painted out, and an air force of World War Two aircraft that was launched out of Central America. The bulk of the attacking forces were landed by boat on the shores of the Bay of Pigs. The navy did nothing, the airplanes flew over and most were shot down and those invaders who came ashore on the beach were killed or captured. That the invasion failed miserably is a matter of history, and Kennedy was left with an embarrassing situation in the eyes of the world, especially the Russians. He didn't like it one bit and vowed to dissolve the CIA at his earliest opportunity. The Russian leader Khrushchev delighted in the fact America failed and took every opportunity to get in front of the cameras and berate America for being war mongers. He stuck out a pudgy hand in help to Cuba. It was a propaganda feeding fest and America was the main course.

Kennedy was consequently murdered by a coupe d'

7forever

01-31-2011, 11:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related
I knew a long time ago, bobharris77 had realized during the making of this clip that the film had in fact been altered to hide the fact the driver shot Kennedy. He did make some adjustments to it because you can no longer advance it with your mouse from 158-200-202. At two minutes you could see the red smoke and then advance to 202 and see the red blotch appear, both of those happening in unison with the white extending backward.

At around 1:30 he's babbling on about how the driver's left hand is at his side while holding steady at frame 312. At the end of his verbal nonsense he advances to frame 313 where you can clearly see it extend in sync with the headshot. What he did was create this effect which distracts the viewer from seeing the fake white working in sync with the fake red blotch. He did this because the screen didn't change for 30 or more seconds before advancing it to 313. This amount of time would have revealed to at least some viewers the connection between the fake reflection and the headshot. Bob, knows the driver fired on Kennedy and this effect proves it beyond any doubt. Bob, is a wannabe conspiracy theorist which means the driver did it, is off limits. This should teach anybody out there...do not try to use the film to disprove an obvious fact because some sleuth may come along and use it against you. After this idiot found out I was using his stupid video to prove the film was altered he went back and enhanced the effect to better hide the fake white and fake mist causing and hiding the headshot from the front.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint551.jpg
The above effect was created to hide the fake reflection and fake blood mist from working in sync to cause and hide the heashot coming from the driver. Watch the fake white extend in unison with the red mist between 312-313.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisfakeegifnormal.gif
312-313
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkslowjoltgif.gif
The Certified Idiot himself.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/WallPaint726.jpg

7forever

02-03-2011, 01:52 PM

Mocking an entire generation of baby boomers whose 47 year reign on covering up Jfk's real assassin has ended

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "www.deeppoliticsforum.com

Over the past 24 hours a certain Robert Hanson was successful in penetrating the Deep Politics Forum with the obvious truth about the driver killing Kennedy and I banned him because the truth raped my soul so I used my power to censor the truth that has been known by Fetzer, Groden and hundreds of other researchers for decades.

In doing so, Hanson hosted a most enlightening workshop in the craft of sleuthing.

About a half-hour ago I discovered Hanson's blog, "The Driver Killed Kennedy." It seems to have been created on November 19 of this year.

From his blog there is his thread titled "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back."

In classic sleuthing style, Hanson cites a lengthy segment of Hill's WC testimony given to Arlen Specter so as to A) demonstrate his own familiarity with the record, and B) appeal to reading comprehension and general Kennedy sleuthing.

In essence, Hill states that she simply saw the Secret Service shooting back which is totally obvious to everyone looking at Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. SHE STATES THAT SHE SAW THE SS SHOOT BACK AND SHE CLEARLY STATES THAT SHE HEARD GUNFIRE FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. This, in the real world is called corroboration. Greer is the only ss agent who shot back, so she could not have meant anyone else.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Hanson is TELLING THE TRUTH when he states that "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back,"

It's that simple.

I believe that he is TELLING TRUTH BUT AM REALLY AFRAID TO ADMIT IT.

Here's what Hill told Specter -- as published by Hanson on his own blog:

Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?

Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.

Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?

Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.

Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?

Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.

Specter was trying to make her sound crazy but she was simply describing the confusion of gunshots coming from all directions. She saw Greer shoot back and she heard what she thought were multiple shots from the knoll although there was only one fired immediately after Greer shot Kennedy to provide a distraction for Greer. The last shot arguably did come from the north knoll but was was fired to only confuse people as to who shot Kennedy. Without the last shot that followed Greer's, people would have thrown their hands up like the agents did after Roberts called them off jfk's limo. It was a dummie shot to confuse and give witnesses an alternative account for where the fatal shot really came from, the ss agent driving Kennedy's limo.

Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?

Mrs. HILL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?

Mrs. HILL - That's right.

Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?

Mrs. HILL - No.

What could have prompted Hill to conclude that the SS was shooting in Dealey Plaza? Because she was looking right at Greer when he shot back at jfk's forehead.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint653.jpg
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?

Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Mrs. Hill - ... I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know[.]

In point of FACT:

Hill offers eyewitness evidence for a Greer Shot.

Hill offers compelling ear witness testimony for a Grassy Knoll shot which is the red herring promoted by Hollywood and disinfo clowns like Groden and Fetzer.

And so we're left with this:

For the third time, Hanson is TELLING THE TRUTH when he states that "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back." I see no other viable interpretations for his obvious claim.

It's that simple.

Expect more of this sort of truth movement as we move closer to the 50th anniversary of the Dealey Plaza coup d'etat. I am afraid but I know just beneath the surface that Greer killed Kennedy.
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Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum

Riddler

02-03-2011, 03:56 PM

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint653.jpg
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?

Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Mrs. Hill - ... I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know[.]

In point of FACT:

Hill offers eyewitness evidence for a Greer Shot.

Hill offers compelling ear witness testimony for a Grassy Knoll shot which is the red herring promoted by Hollywood and disinfo clowns like Groden and Fetzer.

Holy $hit.... that's crazy.

good find 7forever... never knew there was a witness.

7forever

02-09-2011, 01:08 PM

Holy $hit.... that's crazy.

good find 7forever... never knew there was a witness.

Here's another one.

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.

Riddler

02-09-2011, 01:22 PM

Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline. .

Wouldn't there be a silencer on the gun if the driver shot him?

I know Bill Cooper recalls seeing some documentation on the gun that was used... it wasn't your average gun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK7PgP56VxA
(12 videos... too long to hunt that piece of info down fright now)

but it was specifically crafted to be tucked away inside his sleeve
(that is to say if any of this is true)

7forever

02-09-2011, 06:49 PM

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3AHHASKGO9EEP/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?ie=UTF8&cdPage=1&asin=B0006CMCB2&store=books#wasThisHelpful

Posted on Nov. 9, 2010 2:24 AM PST
Maskmaker says:
Tyler, years ago I found a jpg of a newspaper clip from the Chicago sun times, dated Sat., Nov 23, 1963, and not only is Senator Yarborough quoted as saying he smelled gun powder on LBJ's limo nearly all the way to the hospital, he is quoted as saying that the 3rd shot may have been from a Secret Service man returning fire! Can't wait to get my hands on this book after all these years, & hopefully, the DVD! All the evidence points towards Greer taking the final shot.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov. 9, 2010 2:41 AM PST
Tyler Newcomb says:
Yes I have a very faded copy of that. If you still have it I'd like to see if it's better than mine to find a way to put it in the book. Thanks

A Murder Within was self published in 1974.

7forever

02-10-2011, 12:28 AM

Wouldn't there be a silencer on the gun if the driver shot him?

I know Bill Cooper recalls seeing some documentation on the gun that was used... it wasn't your average gun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK7PgP56VxA
(12 videos... too long to hunt that piece of info down fright now)

but it was specifically crafted to be tucked away inside his sleeve
(that is to say if any of this is true)

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp1.htm#con_j
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/Greerconnally.gif

7forever

02-12-2011, 11:45 AM

The parabolic arc being the secondary exit trajectory.

The bullet trace certainly looks to be exiting his right ear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvkw93jfXaA

Original Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvkw93jfXaA

My biggest fan/troll tells the truth and even shows the right rear protruding after the front right impact on jfk's forehead. Sicknote and $ick3nin.vend3tta are Soupnazi from www.scam.com and he secretly wants me to move forward with my work.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/YiCzLI.gif
FRAME 337 showing right rear exit.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint441.jpg

7forever

02-12-2011, 02:44 PM

7forever, Why is there NO right rear bullet exit?.

Why isn't there any brain/skull debris exiting the back of JFK's head?. (Nix gif below).
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif

Can you give me an answer?.

Kind Regards.

7forever, Why is there NO right rear bullet exit?.

Why isn't there any brain/skull debris exiting the back of JFK's head?. (Nix gif below).
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif

Can you give me an answer?.

Kind Regards.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74729&page=342

RaininThrees

02-12-2011, 04:24 PM

This has become an impressive/frightening view into one person's obsession.

7forever

02-13-2011, 08:25 PM

No sicknote, 7forever won't give you an answer.

Why not?.

It debunks his theory clean out of the water.

There is NO right rear bullet exit (which would indicate Greer).

Nix gif above.

No sicknazi, you won't give an answer.

Why not?.

It debunks your delusions clean out of the water.

There is NO right front exit but a right front entrance which incriminates only Greer.

The nix film shows Greer's left arm crossing over his shoulder and in unison his right forehead is struck with a bullet producing a clear smoke at the point of entrance, in this case over the right eye. This is confirmed by the man getting shot in the face with the smoke and him going backwards.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/nixx_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/facee-shot_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

02-13-2011, 08:42 PM

This has become an impressive/frightening view into one person's obsession.

This has become an impressive view of one person's obsession with the most obvious untold truth in american history.

7forever

02-13-2011, 11:40 PM

lol 7forever, the drive is not the shooter. look at the clips you posted carefully. Notice the drivers LEFT hand is on the steering wheel. HTF does he shoot kennedy with his right hand.

What you are seeing the the sun shining on the greasy hair of the passenger not a silver pistol. The sun is even shining off the greasy hair of the driver. Back then it was common for men to grease their hair. I remember my dad using Brylcreem back in the day.

And Rodin, lol, come on man, do you seriously believe Jacky killed her husband.

lol Phantom, the driver is the shooter, always was and always will be. Look at the clips I posted carefully. Notice the driver's LEFT hand is passing the gun to his right hand before he turns the first time.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/gifsoup.gif

What you are seeing is a fake blob of white created by a 1963 goon squad.LOL Real hair reflections do not recoil at the exact moment a president is being shot by his driver unless the driver shot that president, which Greer clearly and obviously did. It even separates from Roy's head.LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkwhitegifrecoil.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkwhitegiffast.gif

7forever

02-14-2011, 10:26 AM

you're misreading the video evidence. bullet smoke trails emit from the barrel of the gun, not the target. the target emits fragments of bone, brain and blood. the fragment evidence shows the exit point, not the entrance point. it shows an exit point consistent with a bullet that originated from jackies position.

You're misreading the video evidence and real life. Clear bullet smoke emits when it hits its target. The bullet struck jfk in the right forehead emitting smoke at that point. Mussolini was executed with a shot to the back of the head and smoke emits from that point. You don't know what you're talking about in the least.
Kennedy shot from the front by the driver, William Greer.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/nixx_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
A man shot in the face with smoke at entrance.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/facee-shot_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
Mussolini shot in back of head in the mid 40's.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/mussolini_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
CASE CLOSED

7forever

02-15-2011, 10:48 AM

If you look at frame 9 of that gif of mussolini it clearly shows the smoke appearing behind him as we look at it, ie the front of his head (open it in photoshop & view it full screen.

His head also jerks backwards as a recoil from the exit wound (it initially goes forward, then reappears vertically).

Exactly as Kennedy's head did when it received a bullet in the back of the head and it exited out the front.

Case closed.

If you look at the gif of mussolini it clearly shows the smoke appearing at back of his head where the bullet enters. (open it in photoshop & view it full screen. Mussolini's head jerks forward naturally from the rear shot, the exact opposite of what Kennedy's head did when he received the shot from the front.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/mussolini_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/nixx_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

case closed

7forever

02-15-2011, 12:39 PM

Thats not smoke, it's brain matter.

The Mussolini and nix films mirror each other but simply show the opposite angle from where the shot/bullet came from. Mussolini is shot from the rear with the bullet smoke emitting on the rear while Kennedy shows the smoke from the front. And there heads and bodies go in the correct direction after the shot. You are just pathetic and backed into a corner where you have to disagree with everything I'm saying because everything I'm saying is 100 percent dead nuts on.
A rear shot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/mussolini_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
The frontal shot by Greer.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

02-15-2011, 03:33 PM

Now they won't move this to the dump or ban this guy. there is not a signle person in the war room that agreed on anything with this agent, yet the thread stays put.

I'm guessing orders from up above.

I'm willing to bet that mods cannot touch this guy.

You are a complete lunatic...LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/lobotome.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/QuickLobotomy.jpg

7forever

02-17-2011, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7forever

If I am wrong then why post anything? Greer passes the gun which is clear and his left arm crosses in Nix. Those two facts prove his guilt beyond any doubt. You are board trolling because your obsession is controlling you. It's like an addiction. The same could be said for me but at least I'm obsessed with exposing a very, very obvious truth.

But this is the whole point: Greer's arm crosses, but you can't see his hand. The gun is certainly not clear, only you choose to say it is because you want a gun there because it fits your theory. This is what makes your 'facts' pure speculation.

Your so called 'obvious truth' is nothing of the sort; I see you resort to personal attacks again for the thrid post in a row? That says it all about your argument. YOU are the troll here, and I have no qualms in showing you up for what you are, disrupting this thread with your constant spamming and false claims of proof.

Greer's arm crossing in Nix is proof the government altered those movements in Zapruder. That fact all by itself proves the illusion that Greer did NOT shoot Kennedy is just that, an illusion. He clearly shoots jfk from the driver's seat and even without all my work, a good prosecutor could have convicted Greer with just the Zapruder film.

The disinfo tactic this Nazi **** is using is as follows: Admit the fact but not the conclusion of what that fact helps conclude. Showing Greer's arm cross in Nix is the best piece of Kennedy research in the history of this case. No doubt whatsover. It makes the best defense for Greer NOT shooting jfk invalid. Since it looks exactly like Greer shoots Kennedy in Zapruder, if his left arm really does cross then Greer shot Kennedy.
http://inquiringminds.cc/25-tactics-for-truth-suppression-tactics-used-by-disinformation-agents-stooges-for-the-elite

Notice the timing of the headshot in Zapruder and Nix films. The fake reflection extends in unison with the headshot while Greer's arm crosses his shoulder in unison with the headshot in Nix.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkslowjoltgif.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/enhanced-nix-gif_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1017686#post1017686

7forever

02-17-2011, 02:28 PM

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

I cannot show what type of handgun Greer used because the alteration covered the gun with white and grey but it's in Zapruder before and after the shot. This would be like a judge requiring a video tape of the killer, killing their victim even though there's tons of dna evidence against them. It's message board horseshit.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
FRAME 241 showing both hands close together right before he passes gun.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint315.jpg
Greer passes gun and frame 258 showing covered gun by driver's door.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/gifsoup.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/WallPaint728.jpg

The altered gun is visible before, during and after the shot.
318 is the fake reflection and 319 is the gun bleached in white.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfkgungifnormal.gif
COMING UP FROM FLOOR, BACKWARDS.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/321316normal.gif
They could NOT edit out the gun so they covered it with white and grey. The driver killing Kennedy was always THE TRUTH but was universally ignored and covered-up.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/318319_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
case closed

7forever

03-28-2011, 08:11 PM

The back of jfk's head opens up after 312 but before 313.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

RaininThrees

03-28-2011, 08:38 PM

This is some impressive dedication to a topic no one really cares about.

Riddler

03-29-2011, 12:40 AM

This is some impressive dedication to a topic no one really cares about.

I care...

I'm reading this stuff 7forever... it is very interesting.

7forever

03-29-2011, 11:07 AM

This is some impressive dedication to a topic no one really cares about.

According to the cable networks there were 1000 books published on jfk. Alot of people cared and still care about this case. They just don't want the obvious truth about Greer to come out but it has, even if only in a small way.

7forever

03-29-2011, 07:03 PM

It's hard to imagine a better comparable to the Kennedy forehead shot. You can see the bullet smoke when it strikes his face which is mirrored by the nix gif showing the bullet strike his right forehead consistent with my work placing the entrance over the right eye and logically exiting the right rear, supported by 40 witnesses including Greer and Jackie Kennedy.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/left-face_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/front-smoke_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint305.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint441.jpg

redsoxballer

03-29-2011, 07:47 PM

You post the same pointless photos over and over. You are either an idiot or a troll. Either way this thread sucks

7forever

03-29-2011, 09:22 PM

You can literally see skull detaching from his rear skull. Also, notice as his goes back you can see the white lane through the back of his head.LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/detached_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

03-30-2011, 02:53 PM

Clint describes a massive exit that could have only been caused by that goon, Greer.

Clint Hill saw the massive hole on the right rear portion of his head.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

The back of his head opens up at the moment of the front right impact.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
FRAME 337
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint441.jpg

7forever

03-31-2011, 03:48 PM

You post the same pointless photos over and over. You are either an idiot or a troll. Either way this thread sucks

YOUR LIFE SUCKS...
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jack_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

04-06-2011, 10:44 AM

So you cant explain it is the answer you're giving then?

You can't explain how JFK's head defy's physics by lurching forwards when the bullet impact hits. Instead you put your fingers in your ears, stamp your feet and act like a child. Name calling and using insults rather than debating the theories are how you want to go about things.

You can't explain how JFK's head 'could' defy physics by lurching forward when the bullet impact hits, then stops and changes direction, violently backwards.LOL You can't explain it because it's not possible and has never happened. Instead you put your fingers in your ears, stamp your feet and act like a child. Show us one headshot that shows what you are lying about. Goes forward, stops, then violently backward. You are a pathetic troll with nothing but bullshit. This man's head and body go forward from the shot to the back of the head. If jfk had been shot from the rear he would have went forward. These stupid posts of yours make you an idiot...Congrats.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/slow-musso_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/fake-mist_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

Riddler

04-06-2011, 10:54 AM

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/fake-mist_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

If I were to guess where that shot came from (just by looking at this gif)... I'd guess it came from the Grassy Knoll area.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread683402/pg1

check that out^

7forever

04-11-2011, 11:34 AM

The great fake reflection footage that started it all in 7-09.

-The fake blob recoils and separates from Roy's head when Greer fires revolver.
-The fake hand coming off wheel begins with 2 dots.
-They both make eye contact after turning back straight.
-Kellerman raises hand signaling that Greer's gonna shoot back.
-The white lane (by driver's door) comes into focus just in time to blend in with the fake grey streak which mirrored Greer's arm crossing that's seen in the nix film.
-The fake grey streak is over his shoulder first and then across when it's needed.
-The fake forehead reflection replacing Greer's hand is the only one that cannot be independently proven fake without the nix film or other evidence.
-Kellerman moves his head forward, backward and forward again in 1 second in an attempt to block the gun's view from the north side of Elm street.
-Watch the driver's door when Greer turns to shoot back. Something appears beneath the white lane which is very likely the curb.
-Watch the top of Greer's head after he shoots jfk. He still had a reflection, so they darkened it to distract from the silly fakery on Roy's head.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/fake-reflection_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
Greer's arm crosses in nix, confirming the logical reasons for Zapruder film fakery.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/quick-jerk_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
YouTube - Jfk Assassination the limo driver theory Debunked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jis_ZFspfY)

7forever

04-12-2011, 09:51 AM

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing over.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/quick-jerk_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkcloserecoil.gif
THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally. This old copy shows the fake reflection recoiling and pushing back in unison with the headshot very clearly.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jolt_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.

7forever

04-12-2011, 02:47 PM

[B]by Zep Tepi

7forever

04-12-2011, 04:26 PM

The driver shot Kennedy,
To make a constant and redundant cry out of YOUR opinion which counters that of thousands of other opinions?

Greer killing Kennedy is completely obvious, it always has been, but I proved it by showing mountains of evidence that was left ignored and not exposed. An opinion...LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/bcl_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

04-13-2011, 08:40 AM

The driver didn't shoot him. In the Zapruder film, you can clearly see his hand in the kill shot frame, and it is not holding a handgun or any other weapon. ing than we know, but Kennedy most definitely warned us of this.

The driver passes the gun before he turns the first time and his hand and arm cross over his shoulder in Nix when Jfk's shot. I simply exposed this epic blunder carried out by 1960's idiots. People like you commit the same lies over and over and over. It's like beating a midget at basketball.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/pass-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
Greer's left arm crosses with headshot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/quick-jerk_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

04-13-2011, 07:47 PM

A great post from yt. It's an obvious truth that only recently got some exposure.

WHY don't you people look into these things why do you only look at the outer and never want to see the inner.Look up bohemian grove another government secret EXPOSED or how they want to depopulate the world. A conspiracy consist of something like big foot,these government secrets are not conspiracy they are simply the truths just suppressed by the government and people who refuse to believe in the government doing this but it's all true and soon it will be entirely exposed.

7forever

04-14-2011, 05:34 PM

Modern Kennedy research is exactly where the Nix film places it. First off, not ignoring that Greer passes the gun in Zapruder and second, seeing his left arm cross in Nix. That's the evidence right there. Two visual facts along with alot more that make Greer shooting jfk an irrefutable fact. In other words, there will never be any challenge posed against this truth. It will be ignored by researchers and the average person will laugh at how obvious it is.

Greer passes the gun in Z and his left hand goes missing because the film pans upward. There is no evidence in Zapruder that his left hand ever returned to the wheel. At least a few researchers have outright lied about Greer's hands not leaving the wheel when it's crystal clear in the frames.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/pass-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
Greer's left arm crosses his right shoulder in Nix, proving the government generated illusion is an obvious truth confirmed by the Albert Nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/quick-jerk_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

04-15-2011, 01:53 PM

Greer's left arm crossing in the Nix film and the fake reflection in Zapruder are in perfect sync with the headshot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/perfect-sync_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
FRAMES 312-313
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfkslowjoltgif.gif
case closed

Riddler

04-15-2011, 06:37 PM

case closed

Finally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qjTxiwy-r0

7forever

04-20-2011, 09:44 AM

Who testified that they saw Greer shoot JFK?

I posted many witnesses who gave testimony about a shot in or around the car. The lack of witnesses is not a defense. The Zapruder film being altered to hide Greer's arm crossing and him passing the gun in Z is conclusive proof that he was the fatal shooter.

7forever

04-20-2011, 11:20 AM

Do you feel that even a .45 caliber pistol, even at close range, would be capable of causing the head wound suffered by JFK?

You posted several witnesses before who claimed to have seen a gun in the car (including a rifle) or who claimed that the sound of the shots seemed to have come from the car, or who thought they saw 'firecrackers' going off in the car. Did anyone claim to have seen the driver shoot JFK?

Yes, everyone whose seen the nix film close-up has seen Greer kill jfk. The damage is exaggerated in Zapruder. The red blotch is fake on the right side. The back of his head opens up at the moment of front right impact.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/backgape.jpg
The rear skull detaches between 313-314.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-off_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/backoff.jpg

Eat Like A Bosh

04-20-2011, 11:33 AM

I have no idea who William Copper is, and am too lazy to read.

7forever

04-21-2011, 01:01 PM

The damage is exaggerated in Zapruder. The red blotch is fake on the right side. The back of his head opens up at the moment of front right impact.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/backgape.jpg
FRAME 312, BEFORE THE REAR GAPES OPEN.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/backoff312.jpg

ZeN

04-21-2011, 01:02 PM

you can see the bullet as it enters tru the back of the skull

lol just kidding, a grainy footage.. grassy knowlz..

RaininThrees

04-21-2011, 01:47 PM

you can see the bullet as it enters tru the back of the skull

lol just kidding, a grainy footage.. grassy knowlz..

I noticed that 4 pages ago. I just didn't want to enter into a debate with this guy.

Everything's so grainy though, its too hard to tell anything.

7forever

04-23-2011, 09:51 AM

I'm going to put on my serious moderator hat now;

7forever, until you came along, I actually gave some credit to the Greer theory. You have certainly proven to me,at least, that it's just another distraction.

The truth about the driver killing Kennedy is a distraction for idiotic theories like Jackie and the only real conspiracy theory, the grassy knoll.

7forever

04-23-2011, 12:25 PM

sorry, you're out of luck with that one. there is no evidence of a right front entrance. the video evidence shows an exit somewhere on the right side.

from greer's position, the entrance would have been from the front. the debris flies in the wrong direction for that to be possible.

There is zero evidence of any exit on the right side or front. Show us one frame or autopsy pic with the government's fantasy exit. There is none. The rear skull opens up at the moment of front right impact.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/backgape313.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

Scoooter

04-23-2011, 02:16 PM

I think aliens did it. They were obviously hired by the Bilderberg Group. Also, 9/11. Somehow.

7forever

04-25-2011, 11:06 AM

There is zero evidence of any exit on the right side or front. There is no evidence which holds up to scrutiny that supports a right side entrance because it would've exited the left side not right rear. The grassy knoll is a clever red herring that was easily debunked by simple geometry. The rear skull opens up at the moment of front right impact.

This is just before 313. The top and bottom of the skull is distinguishable with the hole in between.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/backgape313.jpg
FRAME 313 is more difficult to decipher the top of the skull but the same thing appears and the zoom makes it clear. There appears to be a tail at the bottom break in the skull, which confuses things without the zoom.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/313gape-1.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

04-25-2011, 01:55 PM

The old copies of Zapruder always show incriminating evidence of the rear exit and film alteration more clearly.
Frame 312 shows no fake red mist and his head intact. Frame 313 shows the rear gape clearly in this copy without any confusion. The eye can easily distinguish the top and bottom skull and the hole in between.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/312nogape.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/313perfectgape.jpg

7forever

04-25-2011, 05:09 PM

The gaping exit and skull detaching appears between 312-313, 313-314, and 316-317. They did their best to hide the hole but slow motion exposes it and the attempts to hide that hole.

In between 316-317 a ghost-like image shows the white lane through jfk's head. That hole closes up by 317.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/316317-1.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/316317-ghost-image_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

Riddler

04-25-2011, 05:14 PM

This has become an impressive/frightening view into one person's obsession.

okay... now I'm starting to agree with you.

7forever... I believe you... now pretty please... let's end this discussion.

RaininThrees

04-25-2011, 07:08 PM

okay... now I'm starting to agree with you.

7forever... I believe you... now pretty please... let's end this discussion.

I think my favourite part of this thread is when he starts quoting people from other websites into this thread, and responding to them like they're reading it here.

7forever

04-25-2011, 08:01 PM

7forever

04-26-2011, 07:38 PM

Riddler

04-26-2011, 11:10 PM

I think my favourite part of this thread is when he starts quoting people from other websites into this thread, and responding to them like they're reading it here.

7Forever could be some NSA computer program that's not working very effectively.

that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

it won't stop.

RaininThrees

04-26-2011, 11:15 PM

7Forever could be some NSA computer program that's not working very effectively.

that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

it won't stop.

How about we just get this thing locked? It stopped being entertaining pages ago.

7forever

04-27-2011, 09:38 AM

7Forever could be some NSA computer program that's not working very effectively.

that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

it won't stop.

Riddler could be some NSA computer program that's not working very effectively.

that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

he won't stop posting nonsense.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/cras_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

04-27-2011, 09:41 AM

How about we just get this thing locked? It stopped being entertaining pages ago.

How about you stop posting anything in here because you have posted nothing but bullshit. An idiotic truth such as the driver killing Kennedy will always be entertaining and laughable at its core, because it's so obvious and such an epic blunder exposed with ease.

7forever

05-05-2011, 10:38 AM

I have told you about tail splash, where brain matter and blood are forced out the entrance, also due from the increased press.

If there was any tail splash at the point of entrance, (which there was NOT) it's in the right front at the exact moment the right rear skull gapes open. You've been debunked with your own idiotic nonsense about nothing that proves Greer shot JFK.LOL
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit-slow_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
The right rear is gaped open with the fake mist at right front.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/WallPaint730.jpg
This is why there will never be an opposition because anyone will look stupid even trying anything besides ignoring the pink elephant in the room.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/bcl_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

7forever

05-06-2011, 05:04 PM

If the bullet came from the driver...front left...why didn't his head go back and to the right...instead of back and to the left?

It's a fabulous theory...but, well...what you say people should see...just can't be seen. It takes imagination. People don't want imagination...they want real evidence. Why don't you put up a side by side comparison set of videos showing the doctored footage and the non doctored footage and the raw footage.

Any person who suggests I altered or posted disinformation without providing one explanation is a joke, as would be recognized by any neutral deciding body. It takes no imagination whatsoever to see that Greer's left arm crosses his right shoulder in perfect unison with the headshot in the nix film. Pretending to not see something that is clearly happening is a simple denial of a fact that would never be in dispute in the real world of trials or debates. It happens and it proves Greer's guilt and Zapruder film alteration beyond all doubt.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/perfect-sync_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
Fake hand comes of wheel in Zapruder frame 304. His left hand is really near his shoulder.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/fakehandgif.gif

7forever

05-07-2011, 10:37 AM

I wanted let everyone here know that I am not an arrogant or know it all person. I became obsessed with Zapruder in 7-09 and my work kept uprooting more evidence that Greer shot Kennedy. The cover-up is that Hollywood and hundreds of authors covered the truth by promoting the grassy knoll to the american public when the obvious assassin was right there in jfk's limo. They simply ignored the truth and promoted the government created theory which was an alternative to the absurd conclusions of the Warren Commission.

7forever

05-07-2011, 12:17 PM

hey 7, if greer had a gun, why would JFK get shot in the neck first, and then get his head blown off?

The logical reason for shooting jfk at 225 was to disable and stun him, making him immobile in the five seconds leading up to Greer firing the kill shot. Greer started passing the gun at 241, turned the first time at 272, and the second time to shoot @ 301. The south grassy knoll is the likely location for the throat shot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/greer239247.gif
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The bullet hole right of the mirror taken at frame 255.
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7forever

05-07-2011, 06:57 PM

How can I circle it if I haven't picked it up yet?

I can possibly see something in the picture (not sure) but I do not see anything in the gif like you said.

The rear skull detaching is most obvious in this gif.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-exit_h_GIFSoupcom-1.gif

7forever

05-09-2011, 09:48 AM

Actually the rear of his skull does not detach in this gif duh.

Actually the rear of his skull does gape open and detach in this gif, duh.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/back-off_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/skullflap.jpg
FRAME 313 SHOWING PERFECT REAR GAPE.
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7forever

05-12-2011, 10:45 AM

Well, I must admit you presented some compelling evidence, 7forever. However, we would like to know you a bit better, so feel free to post anywhere about anything. Or start your thread in the "Tell us more about yourself" forum..

It's about time a forum owner agreed with the evidence against Greer. Even though posters on forums don't represent the masses, my relentless posting of this irrefutable truth is finally paying off.

7forever

05-13-2011, 04:55 PM

You've solved it many times over, my friend, and I commend you again on your excellent work.

Amazingly and sadly, the FACT that the assassin is IN PLAIN SIGHT the whole time is the VERY REASON why the VAST MAJORITY of people will always refuse to believe their own eyes and WILLFULLY stay blind to the reality.

Great post! I don't think the average person will deny this at all because they have no stake in covering their eyes. It's message boards we're talking about here. Alot of folks decided to drink the kool-aid when researchers ganged up on Bill Cooper, but it was in fact Fred Newcomb and Perry Adams who first wrote about Greer in the 70's. Their research started in 1968.

7forever

05-15-2011, 01:27 PM

You can see the alteration close it up real quick and it shows itself again in the frames around 335.
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Frame 337 which shows Jackie's freak out when she sees the hole.
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7forever

05-19-2011, 05:14 PM

During the alteration of Zapruder they compressed the impact and the rear skull gape into one frame and did their best to hide skull detaching in between subsequent frames.

312, no gape.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/312801gape.jpg
313, complete rear gape.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/801gape.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/335gape.jpg

7forever

05-21-2011, 06:15 PM

Amazon.com: Tyler Newcomb's review of Murder from within (http://www.amazon.com/review/R3AHHASKGO9EEP/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?ie=UTF8&cdPage=1&asin=B0006CMCB2&store=books#wasThisHelpful?tag=survivaldiscu-20)

Posted on Nov. 9, 2010 2:24 AM PST
Maskmaker says:
Tyler, years ago I found a jpg of a newspaper clip from the Chicago sun times, dated Sat., Nov 23, 1963, and not only is Senator Yarborough quoted as saying he smelled gun powder on LBJ's limo nearly all the way to the hospital, he is quoted as saying that the 3rd shot may have been from a Secret Service man returning fire! Can't wait to get my hands on this book after all these years, & hopefully, the DVD! All the evidence points towards Greer taking the final shot.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov. 9, 2010 2:41 AM PST
Tyler Newcomb says:
Yes I have a very faded copy of that. If you still have it I'd like to see if it's better than mine to find a way to put it in the book. Thanks

A Murder Within was self published in 1974.

Look on the right side, under 'beats fists against car'. It's the second sentence.

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7forever

05-22-2011, 06:49 PM

Dr. Humes described the mess at the top as dislodged scalp. He also down played the entrance over the right eye as a contusion. Some theorists said jfk went somewhere in between Parkland and Bethesda. If so, some type of debridement may have taken place to cover the wound. This area is still visible and metal fragments were recovered behind the right eye and showed up in x-rays.

The right rear is clearly missing here and many witnesses saw jfk the way he lies here. He didn't have to be on his stomach because the hole was on the right rear. Notice the small flap on the right side compared to that fake mess in Zapruder.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfkautopsyrightside.jpg
A better view of rear gape and compare the dislodged scalp. It's similar.
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7forever

05-24-2011, 08:07 AM

[quote=dbmyers;3671073]This is my forth attempt to post to this thread. If I'm doing something wrong please let me know rather than just erasing my post. I'm a newby at this site.
Here is my original post:

I believe you 7forever. Here is some collaborating information (on the possibility of SS Agent Greer being the source of the final headshot with his nickle plated revolver):

Douglas P. Horne, Chief Analyst for Military Records, Assassination Records Review Board (Pub 2010) details in volume five of this incredibly detailed and well-documented five volume set, how a "prominent researcher" that he knows who requested confidentiality on his identity, describes video taping an interview (shortly before the witness died) with an unnamed black steward on Air Force One, who related an incident on the Air Force One flight back to Washington after the assassination, during which Secret Service Agent Clint Hill "was changing his shirt (which was covered with the President's blood) and in a moment of complete honesty, while being assisted by the steward with his change of wardrobe, confided to the steward that when he jumped onto the back of the limousine, 'the driver had his gun out and it was pointed right at my face'." Horne continues, "As the interview was related to me, Clint Hill was quite shaken by what he saw, for the implications were obvious. Hill's descriptions of the sound of the head shot(s), in both his written statement and in his Warren Commission testimony, were consistently that it resembled the sound a revolver makes when it is fired into a hard object."

Horne continues, [B]"The discharging of a firearm inside the limousine could also explain why the triage nurse at Parkland hospital, Bertha Lozano, smelled 'smoke' (i.e. gunpowder) when Kennedy and Connelly were rushed past her on gurneys to the trauma stations for treatment." "The videotaped interview of the steward also provides independent corroboration for Hugh Betzner's account in his Sheriff's Department affidavit of November 22, 1963, that he saw a nickel (plated) revolver in someone

7forever

05-24-2011, 11:14 AM

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7forever

05-25-2011, 04:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related
I knew a long time ago, bobharris77 had realized during the making of this clip that Zapruder had in fact been altered to hide the fact that Greer shot Kennedy. He did make some adjustments to it because you can no longer advance it with your mouse from 158-200-202. At two minutes you could see the red smoke and then advance to 202 and see the red blotch appear, both of those happening in unison with the white extending backward.

At around 1:30 he's babbling on about how the driver's left hand is at his side while holding steady at frame 312. At the end of his verbal nonsense he advances to frame 313 where you can clearly see it extend in sync with the headshot. What he did was create this effect which distracts the viewer from seeing the fake white working in sync with the fake red blotch. He did this because the screen didn't change for 30 or more seconds before advancing it to 313. This amount of time would have revealed to at least some viewers the connection between the fake reflection and the headshot. Bob, knows the driver fired on Kennedy and this effect proves it beyond any doubt. Bob, is a wannabe conspiracy theorist which means the driver did it, is off limits. This should teach anybody out there...do not try to use the film to disprove an obvious fact because some sleuth may come along and use it against you. After this idiot found out I was using his stupid video to prove the film was altered he went back and enhanced the effect to better hide the fake white and fake mist causing and hiding the headshot from the front.
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The above effect was created to hide the fake reflection and fake blood mist from working in sync to cause and hide the heashot coming from the driver. Watch the fake white extend in unison with the red mist between 312-313.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisfakeegifnormal.gif
You can see the back of the head start to gape with the fake mist and open entirely with the fake red blotch.
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http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/600gape.jpg
312-313
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The Certified Idiot himself.
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RaininThrees

05-25-2011, 06:00 PM

The Certified Idiot himself.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/WallPaint726.jpg

You really shouldn't be posting pictures of yourself on the internet.

Sorry, too easy.

7forever

05-26-2011, 12:56 PM

7forever

05-27-2011, 09:56 AM

So what accounts for his head pitching back and to the left if the driver shot him from front left...wouldn't his head have gone back and to the right?

Back and to the left is deceiving. He was leaning to the left along with his head turned leftward somewhat. He went straight back from his left leaning position and naturally slumped to the left after the shot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/zfakery_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
Right before the shot.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint247.jpg

7forever

05-28-2011, 02:15 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Debra Conway
JFK Lancer Productions & Publications
332 N.E.5th Street
Grand Prairie, TX 75050
Phone: 817-488-0978
Email: debra@jfklancer.com
Web: http://jfklancer.com

Warren Commission Suppressed Jackie's
Testimony On JFK's Head Wound

Court Reporter's Tape Shows
Additional Description Withheld

Dallas, TX -- August 5, 2001 -- JFK Lancer, an historical research firm reports that the Court Reporter's tape shows Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony before the Warren Commission had additional descriptions which were withheld.
Mrs. Kennedy testified in a short private session held at her home in Washington, D.C., with Chief Justice Earl Warren, Commission General Council J. Lee Rankin, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and a court reporter in attendance. Testimony of witnesses before the Warren Commission was made public in the fall of 1964. Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony was also released containing her description of her husbands wounds which read :

"And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything."

But a second section in which she described the wounds she saw carried only the notation: (Reference to Wounds Deleted).
Although very few Americans actually read those transcripts, historians and researchers who did read them were outraged, and waged a legal battle to have the omitted testimony released. In the early 1970s, a court decision required the United States Government to disclose to the public the contents of the still classified section of Mrs. Kennedy's 1964 Warren Commission testimony. Her previously withheld statement read:

" I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been.

But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."

Releasing this previously withheld section gave researchers what was assumed to be Mrs. Kennedy's complete description of the President's head wounds. Researchers took for granted that the hand-typed transcript page released by the National Archives from the official records of the Warren Commission ended the matter.

However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:

"... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top."

Filmmaker Mark Sobel found the discrepancy while doing research for a forthcoming documentary on JFK. Sobel explained, "I was quite surprised to find that Mrs. Kennedy was not asked for more detail --- she had an opportunity to view the wounds longer and closer than any other person as they originally existed. Given the seemingly contradictory testimony by the doctors who treated the President at Parkland Hospital in Dallas just after the shooting and the Doctors who performed the autopsy at Bethesda many hours later, Mrs. Kennedy's testimony would appear critical."
Sobel filed under the Freedom of Information Act to have the court reporter's original tape of Mrs. Kennedy's testimony unsealed, citing that the content had already been fully declassified by the courts and that it was in the best interest of the public for the accuracy of the existing transcript to be verified. Sobel explained, "As I compared the 1964 transcript to the original court reporter's paper tape, I reached a sentence officially transcribed by the Warren Commission as: "I could see a piece of his skull, and I remember that it was flesh colored"words on the original paper taped no longer matched up."
Court Reporter Kathy Bradford of Bradford Court Reporting of Dallas, Texas, agreed. Bradford reviewed the transcript from the archives and certified Mrs. Kennedy's complete statement was not found in the Warren Commission's version..

This extra description was almost certainly witheld from the Commissioners and Legal Staff as well, since these descriptions are missing in the typed transcript that is contained in the actual Warren Commission Records --- before it was finally released publicly in its entirety.

Apprised of these new details, David Mantik, M.D., Ph.D. stated, "Given the lack of follow-up in Mrs. Kennedy's description to exactly what she saw, these details could have been valuable to the House Select Committee on Assassinations that reviewed the medical evidence." Mantik is one of the few doctors allowed to view President Kennedy's original autopsy materials in the National Archives.
Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, seen in films and photos in Dealey Plaza climbing onto the rear of the limousine, stated in his Warren Commission testimony,
"Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car."
Debra Conway of JFK Lancer, says that the court reporter's tape is now on their web site. Conway stated, "Mrs. Kennedy also describes this piece of skull to historian Theodore White in her famous 'Camelot' interview where she told him, 'I could see a piece of his skull coming off; it was flesh colored not white--' This is very similar to what she said to the Warren Commission."
Conway went on to explain, "There were pieces of skull found in the street and in the limousine. The piece of skull described by Mrs. Kennedy could have been one of those later found in the street, the limousine, or an avulsed piece still attached to his head."
Researcher Barb Junkkarinen, who specializes in the medical evidence of the Kennedy assassination and is the Director of the JFK Alliance for Open Archives organization, told JFK Lancer, "The real 'find' here is that two specific descriptions of the head wound by Mrs. Kennedy (that the skull piece was wedge shaped, and that it had little ridges at the top) are not included in what is supposed to be the full and complete transcript of her testimony."
In his memoirs, Senator Arlen Specter, a Junior Council for the Warren Commission in 1964, suggests that the minimal testimony taken from Mrs. Kennedy was due to Earl Warren wishing to be protective of her, and that the handling of her testimony created some distress among other Commissioners and Legal Staff. However, in formerly Top Secret transcripts of the meetings of the seven Commissioners, Commissioner John J. McCloy repeatedly emphasized the importance of obtaining such testimony as quickly as possible "She's the best witness," he said "as to how those bullets struck her husband."

Junkkarinen adds, "Why they would withhold an accurate description is open to debate, but the fact that they put out an altered transcript is telling. How many other transcripts may have fallen victim to the same shenanigans? This is a find that proves alteration of original evidence, and that is important.
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JFK Lancer Productions & Publications
http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/jbkwc.html
FRAME 337 SHOWING REAR GAPE AND JACKIE'S SHOCK.
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7forever

05-31-2011, 01:45 PM

The JFK 100

The fifth shot
("Back and to the left")

Oliver Stone uses the backwards motion of the President's head in the Zapruder film (beginning in frame 314) to argue for an assassin on the grassy knoll. As discussed in the previous section, this argument ignores the forward motion of the head that occurs between frames 312 and 313.
But putting aside the initial forward motion, is the backwards motion in the Zapruder film evidence of a shot from the knoll?

The trajectory from the knoll

"Back and to the left, back and to the left," intones New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) in JFK.

But look more closely. The President was not thrust "back and to the left"; JFK states it more accurately a few seconds earlier: "This is the key shot. Watch it again. The President going back to his left."(1)

Back to his left. This is what the Zapruder film shows (see below).

A comparison of Z frames 315-318

Does this make a difference? It does. Had the President been thrust to the left, that is, the left side of the limousine, directly into his wife, Jacqueline, this would not be inconsistent with the trajectory of a shot from the grassy knoll.

But that's not what happened. JFK lurched forcefully to his left, almost directly backwards in his seat.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/zfakery_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

In 1992, author Harrison E. Livingstone became the first conspiracy-oriented author to debunk the myth of the grassy knoll gunman. Livingstone writes:

If [the President] had been hit from the Grassy Knoll or stockade fence, it would have taken off the left side of his head and thrown him violently sideways, and not backward as in the film. The left side of his head was not damaged at all.(2)
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Author and JFK consultant Gus Russo concurs. He stood behind the camera as Oliver Stone filmed the motorcade scene, and has this to say:

Standing behind the picket fence, it is . . . apparent that if the shot were from the front, then it couldn't have originated behind the fence: the fence is at a 90 degree angle to Kennedy's head -- tilted 34 degrees left of center when hit -- at the time the President was struck. A virtual broadside hit. Such a shot would not have forced JFK's head forward or backward, but side to side, with the bullet exiting near Kennedy's left ear, hitting Jackie. Of course, none of this happened.(3)
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Note also that in the frames of the Zapruder film following the head shot, the wound is towards the front right of the President's head, not in the back, as Oliver Stone claims elsewhere in JFK.
Compare the following images, depicting the approximate trajectory(4) a bullet would take in order to hypothetically cause the rearward movement of the President, and the approximate trajectory a bullet would take from where Oliver Stone places a gunman on the grassy knoll.

Harrison Livingstone is not the only conspiracy theorist to acknowledge the disconnect between grassy knoll gunman theories and the "back and to the left" motion apparent in the Zapruder film.

Sherry Gutierrez is the former head of the Forensic Investigative Unit for St. Charles Parish of the Louisiana Sheriff's Department. She is a member of the Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction and "has testified as an expert in crime scene reconstruction and bloodstain pattern analysis in over 30 judicial districts in the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida." She believes that a shot struck the President from the front, but acknowledges that the President's wounds rule out the possibility that a shot could have come from his right side.

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Gutierrez observes, "Since the grassy knoll is not positioned within the possible locations of the shooter for the headshot, the fatal headshot could not have originated from behind the picket fence."(5)
The fifth shot ("Back and to the left") (Page 2): Oliver Stone's JFK: The JFK 100: JFK assassination investigation: Jim Garrison New Orleans investigation of the John F. Kennedy assassination (http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot5b.html)

7forever

06-03-2011, 10:44 AM

20) NURSE DIANA HAMILTON BOWRON: greeted the limousine with a stretcher. She claimed, "...the back of his head...well, it was very bad--you know..." Arlen Specter failed to elucidate what she meant by the "back of the head" being very bad. (emphasis added) (WC V6:136 Within 48 hours of the assassination the British press relayed a second hand account from Bowron through her mother: "...there was blood all over this neck and shoulders. There was a gaping wound in the back of his head." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth , p. 180) Author Livingstone corresponded and spoke by phone with Bowron in 1993. He reported that Bowron claimed, "I first saw the large wound in the back of the head in the car. When we were preparing the body for the coffin I had the opportunity to examine it more closely. It was about five inches in diameter and there was no flap of skin covering it, just a fraction of skin along part of the edges of bone. There was, however, some hair hanging down from the top of the head, which was caked with blood, and most of the brain was missing. The wound was so large I could almost put my whole left fist inside." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth, p. 181) She also said, "...The hole was basically almost the size of a saucer, and sort of from the occiput. So there was quite a reasonable amount missing from the top as well." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth, p. 190) When asked her opinion of the nature of the defect in the rear of the skull, Bowron told Livingstone, "Well, to me it was an exit hole." (Livingstone, Killing the Truth, p. 192) Livingstone asked, "Did you see any entry hole in the back of the head?". "I assumed and I still do that that was an exit wound." Bowron answered. ( Killing the Truth , p. 195). Bowron prepared a drawing depicting the skull wound as she saw it for Livingstone which bears a striking similarity to the diagram of the wound prepared by Robert McClelland, MD and agreed to by Paul Peters, MD ( High Treason in group of images following p. 23 in hard cover edition.) It shows a defect squarely in the occiput on the right side; a second diagram depicting the skull from above shows the right rear quadrant of the skull absent with the notation "missing". (Killing the Truth,in images following p. 368)
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ItsMillerTime

06-03-2011, 12:43 PM

Who the phuck is this guy replying to?

Go make your own personal blog or some shit, obviously nobody is reading these.

7forever

06-04-2011, 09:56 AM

Well, 7forever, I'm sold that the driver was in on it.

Two questions --

1. Who was really behind the assassination? I have previously placed my money on the Brits.

2. What ever became of William Greer? zg

He died in 85. It was an inside job by jfk's own administration and likely other factions in and out of government.

7forever

06-14-2011, 10:44 AM

At trial, the kooks could NOT explain away the grey steak which is obviously a fake covering for Greer's forearm extention. The grey steak is 100% fake and covers Greer's forearm and elbow extention when he shoots jfk. The grey is over his shoulder first and then across when it's needed.

OVER, then across when it's needed.
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GOON SQUAD ALTERATION creates perfect view of gun with recoil and separation when it's fired.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/fake-reflection_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
Greer's left arm/hand cross his right shoulder giving reason for this laughable fakery from what's an ancient time in history compared to 2011.
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Sicknote

06-14-2011, 07:40 PM

Who the phuck is this guy replying to?

Go make your own personal blog or some shit, obviously nobody is reading these.

+1 :oldlol:

Jackass18

06-14-2011, 09:45 PM

I think he's in his own little world.

7forever

07-07-2011, 12:19 PM

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the nix and muchmore films needed to be examined closer and compared to Zapruder and that someone turned out to be me.
Dailymotion - jfk assassination films-orville nix - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news)

The Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. The fakery in Zapruder and Greer's arm crossing in both other films are in perfect sync with the headshot.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but didn't bother with the nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/quick-jerk_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

Zapruder clearly shows the cartoon additions that are Greer's hand, arm, and gun forming and moving toward jfk when he shot Kennedy. The fake reflection recoils like a gun when the gun discharges and it separates from the passenger's head furthing proving it an obvious fake.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/fake-reflection_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

The muchmore film was purposely distorted and blurred but the clear copy can be found which shows his left arm extending downward after he shot jfk.

Watch his left/arm elbow coming down after the shot. There's an obstructed view running forward but all that has to be done is start from the end and run forward again when it comes down.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/Muchmore2.gif

7forever

07-12-2011, 08:40 AM

So, 7forever, are you ever going to show some corroborating evidence? You told me a long time ago that there is "a lot of easy to read corroboration", that you have never presented. You have never answered any of the questions I have asked concerning your claims about the Z film. You won't address any of the known evidence that excludes Greer as a shooter, except to claim "it's faked". So, it's time to put up or shut up!

I answered every question about Greer's guilt. What have I missed? The hand is proven fake at 304 by showing it cross in nix and muchmore. That's the case right there. Furthermore, the disinfo kooks simply ignored that Greer passed the gun and skipped to the fake hand. They cheated and got away with it until I started pointing out what they weren't telling their readers or whomever they were fooling.

7forever

07-22-2011, 06:50 PM

The Zapruder, Nix, and Muchmore films have always proven Jfk's real assassin was the driver, William Greer

The silly goon who shot jfk is on the right, the passenger in the middle.
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The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the nix and muchmore films needed to be examined closer and compared to Zapruder and that someone turned out to be me.
Dailymotion - jfk assassination films-orville nix - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news)

The Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. The fakery in Zapruder and Greer's arm crossing in both other films are in perfect sync with the headshot.
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I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but didn't bother with the nix film.

Greer passes the gun in Z and his left hand goes missing because the film pans upward. There is no evidence in Zapruder that his left hand ever returned to the wheel. At least a few researchers have outright lied about Greer's hands not leaving the wheel when it's crystal clear in the frames.
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Zapruder clearly shows the cartoon additions that are Greer's hand, arm, and gun forming and moving toward jfk when he shot Kennedy. The fake reflection recoils like a gun when the gun discharges and it separates from the passenger's head furthing proving it an obvious fake.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/fake-reflection_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

The muchmore film was purposely distorted and blurred but the clear copy can be found which shows his left arm extending downward after he shot jfk.

Watch his left/arm elbow coming down after the shot. There's an obstructed view running forward but all that has to be done is start from the end and run forward again when it comes down.
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7forever

07-22-2011, 06:52 PM

To do that, 7, I would have to show a person shot from behind while in an accelerating vehicle.

You see, 7, the head goes forward because of the shot, and then as Greer accelerates, the body (and the head) goes backward.

It's basic physics.

This is why real trolls never try anything besides denials because you walk right into looking stupid. You are the first person to ever claim Greer went backward because Greer stepped on the gas.LOL If YOUR stupid explanation were true then at least one person besides jfk would have went backward but no one does because your stupid reason is just that, stupid. After Greer shoots jfk he accelerates and the passenger goes forward to retreive the gun Greer dropped to the floor. He went in the opposite direction that he would have if the acceleration was great enough but it obviously was NOT. YOU ARE DEBUNKED BY VIDEO EVIDENCE AND COMMON SENSE.:facepalm
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7forever

12-10-2011, 02:25 PM

Of course it matters. There is no hole in the windshield but there is a wagon wheel crack, as has been proven to you a couple of dozen times. You can continue to take pictures of your 13" tv playing a 3rd generation videotape of the Zapruder film with your 4 year old cell phone camera if you wish. There's still no hole in the windshied.

Of course it matters. There was a hole in the windshield that was captured by James Altgens at frame 255, but there was a wagon wheel crack that was photographed later, is fake and has nothing to do with the real hole photographed only 1.5 seconds after the bullet came through the winshield, as has been proven to you a couple dozen times. There will always be a hole in the windshield.

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dunksby

12-10-2011, 02:38 PM

...
[QUOTE]10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's

chazzy

12-10-2011, 02:52 PM

7forever
What's wrong with you. Are you a real person? Do you wake up every morning thinking about this shit?

7forever

12-13-2011, 05:17 PM

Slow motion confirms the exit happening exactly with this fake blood spray which purpose was to block the front entrance from view.

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The fake reflection is perfectly extending backward with the fake mist forming in the right front.
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The rear starts gaping when the fake mist appears in right front.
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7forever

12-13-2011, 06:53 PM

10 characteristics of Government Crapologists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are never fact-seekers, questioners, and will never consider a truth outside of official accounts. They simply accept the official version and never defend it against the least bit of scrutiny.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about disproven facts and pretend they are facts, no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simple fantasy.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning nothing from the government, it's no suprise they never answer direct questions of facts which disprove official claims.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is sometimes the government) is therefore impossible.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, government crapologists never acknowledge the gaping inconsistencies in the official accounts which are actually highlighted by enormous, gaping holes in logic, as is evidenced in the official Warren Commission Report that is laughed at in the modern day.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Crapologists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for visual facts provided by video footage. The fact that a claim has been made by the officials, or those covering for them is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that it is true no matter how implausible and ridiculous those claims are. While they do this, of course they will claim to have "open minds" but abuse and embarrass humanity with their endless denials of simple facts.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a crapologist admits that a claim that was made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to debunk it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by repeating the same lies over and over without ever supporting these proven lies with their own analysis.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Government crapologists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally correct without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this disqualifies them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Numerous inconsistencies in the account of an event, huge unanswered questions, endless problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account completely impossible and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary for a crapologist to prove anything one way or another. They simply repeat the same lies and without any supporting proof, because they are simply supporting an official account which was never proven in the first place.

9. It's never a cover-up. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are NO questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they turn off discrimination. They can tell a bullshit story from a good one, they can tell good evidence from bad evidence and they can tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always lie and pretend that the official story which was never proven, is the Bible truth.

10. A person who always says the same thing, with no supporting proof, and says it over and over again is of course, commonly considered to be a government drone.:lol

7forever

12-17-2011, 03:25 PM

That is exactly what I said, the Knoll shooter was a distraction and nothing more,
Because they know everybody would be watching the Limo at all time, so in order to get people's attention away from the Limo they have to create a distraction, a moment of confusion to give the Greer the time to do his job.

I said that way back when, that the other shooters were there to create a diversion, it's a diversion tactic.

If Files was specifically instructed not to hit Mrs Kennedy, why would they take the chance of her getting killed in the process? It's a huge risk considering the angle shooting from the knoll there are 50/50 chance she'll get hit too., why would they take such risks?

The bullet entry point doesn't match the angle from the knoll "Anywhere on the knoll"
It had to come straight from the front of Kennedy, especially before that fatal shot, his head was leaning slightly to his left, which will make it even more awkward for anyone to shoot from the knoll and yet the bullet will penetrate from the right front.

Grassy knoll vs. Greer and logic always wins. Frames 312-313 function as the gun in Zapruder. If you watch the fake reflection closely, it separates from his head because Kellerman started moving forward. The second one is 312-314 and up close shows the recoil and clear separation.

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7forever

12-18-2011, 01:44 PM

With this old copy you can see the cartoon gun, arm and hand form perfectly before the fake reflection jolts backward in perfect unison with the headshot. The fake blood mist appears just before official impact.

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7forever

12-26-2011, 07:33 PM

If you check Kellerman's head in other pictures the top of his head isn't that flat come on guys lol, that means the clips have been altered to hide the gun that appears slightly above his head, and they added that fake reflection.

When you check this with the original version, to be honest I don't think we've ever seen the real version, I bet my bottom penny that the original would show Greer shooting, but because the Zapruder film has been altered more than once, every time something new is discovered they alter it.

Think about that for a second, the reason why they are pushing the grassy knoll theory, is because deep down they did realise that nobody in a America today believes that Oswald did it right?

So they pushed this other theory into the public domain, making it look like it came from some "researchers" but some of those researchers are nothing but gatekeepers to the establishment.

Why are they pushing it? They know damn well, if you haven't got a killer all you have is a theory. right? So nobody will be indicted or tried.

But if we prove as I believe it's beyond the shadow of a doubt in my mind anyway that a secret agent is involved especially the driver, it means the conspiracy is closer to home than originally suggested.

Quite frankly is it not rocket science, if Greer was charged, LBJ would be charged, Hoover would be charged, and many within JFK's administration, and of course the list will grow as the investigation continues.

So they had to come up with an alternative to keep people go around in circles, Greer did it and that's the end of that, people are free to believe what they want, but facts are right in front of your eyes.

The knoll is a joke as far as I am concerned, why? For many reasons, if you believe the theory of the knoll you can believe the official theory of Oswald the lone nutter ;)

From the Knoll?

1) The angles don't match the wounds, entry and exit.
2) Too risky you can kill Jackie at the same time, and Jackie was needed by one of them, i.e Onassis
3) Even on a personal level Greer had very very strong religious and personal disagreements with JFK and Greer's son confirms it.

So which ever way you look at it, you will come to the same conclusion, that Greer was the assassin.
No doubt folks no doubt at all.
4) There was definitely a gun in his hand, absolutely no doubt.
5) Kellerman's head isn't that flat at the top, if you look at other pictures, you can tell it is a fake reflection lol

The zapruder film was analysed by computer experts over in Japan and they concluded without a doubt that he did indeed shoot Kennedy.
You could clearly see the action, Gez lol

But as I said before people are free to believe what they want.
One day somewhere somehow, something will prove to everybody that Greer was indeed the killer.

If you listen to his interview over the phone you can tell that he was lying through his teeth and uncomfortable, nervous, and you can detect some stress in his voice.

Here is a two parts interview over the phone, and the guy didn't even ask him, the big question, did you kill JFK lol these are just normal questions.

He denies everything that is obvious to us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF6reI9kIGI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3zY2qVNsf8

Clint Hill's interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K8lXuJ2eD8

Here is Bobby accusing LBJ for killing his brother

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclZrJiJSL0

June Oswald's interview the eldest daughter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6VrGFJFqLM&feature=related

Rachel Oswald

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT13K0ayeIU&feature=related

You're the first to articulate a lot of the common sense behind my work and sheer obviousness of it all. Notice in nix that Kellerman's forehead snaps back with it facing the sun. They apparently were able to shrink that movement in Zapruder to align it with the fake reflections. The fake reflection extends in unison with the forehead entrance and fake blood mist. Watch the rear/bottom skull buckle and gape open.

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7forever

12-27-2011, 03:12 PM

Got to hand it to you fella you were bang on the nail

They said wikileaks was some kind of counter-culture. What a joke. The driver shooting jfk is like leading off with Ricky Henderson.

7forever

12-28-2011, 01:10 PM

The updated version of 'Murder from Within' is finally available for sale.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=murder+from+within&sprefix=Murder+from

7forever

12-28-2011, 05:18 PM

Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and the follow-up car come to complete stops.

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http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html
1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32];

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134];

6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];

As they say in America...BOO-YA

7forever

12-29-2011, 01:43 PM

Greer pressed on the brakes in the Muchmore film. The brake light illuminates and creates another...BOO-YA.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrX8lsb2WTk

7forever

12-30-2011, 08:51 PM

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=murder+from+within&sprefix=Murder+from

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B-Low

12-30-2011, 08:57 PM

lol this dude has 109 posts and all 109 have been in this thread. apparently this is the only topic that interests him :oldlol:

7forever

12-31-2011, 06:11 PM

The driver's gun was visible before and after the shot in Zapruder, and after in the Nix film.

The fake reflection only functioned as the gun for Zapruder. The real gun was lower, near his shoulder. This is proven accurate by looking at the frames immediately after the reflection falls off the passenger's head. Frame 318 is the fake reflection which I think they allowed as to distract from the bleached gun that followed in 319. Notice in 320 that there's still a smidgen of white.

The editors did very little to hide the gun. They simply bleached it and counted on the conspiracy theorists to ignore that Greer clearly passed the gun before turning around the first time. In slow motion you can see the grip, barrel, and muzzle form briefly when he fits the gun into his left hand. The bleached gun is also seen in Nix after the shot.

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Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit (http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/)

RaininThrees

01-28-2012, 11:11 AM

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

7forever

01-28-2012, 12:06 PM

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Insanity: ignoring reality over and over again and expecting different results.:lol

7forever

01-28-2012, 12:10 PM

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Stupidity: A silly person from Canada who exercises willful ignorance concerning subjects outside of his own country.:hammerhead:

7forever

01-28-2012, 12:13 PM

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit (http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/)
Greer passed the gun in Zapruder before the shot and it's seen after the shot in frame 319. The passenger, Roy Kellerman reaches way to his left and retreives the gun after jfk is assassinated. He apparently braced his left arm on the seat and grabbed the gun with his right hand. The arrows indicate his head and upper right arm.

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7forever

01-28-2012, 03:31 PM

What an opposition would have to do is impossible. They would have to prove that Greer's fake hand popping off the wheel in zframe 304 is real. In other words they would fail because Greer's left hand/arm were crossing his right shoulder in both nix and muchmore during the critical frames right before jfk received the headshot. The first thing that happens is, Greer is passing a large covered object from his right to left hand 4 seconds before he fired back. This visual fact has been ignored and in some cases researchers have outright lied about his hands even leaving the wheel.

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The covered gun is seen perfectly in 258 with his right suited arm distinguishable.
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Greer's left hand cannot be seen returning to the wheel in Zapruder because during the alteration they panned upward to hide when Greer moved his left hand with the gun to near his shoulder, so when he turned the second time to shoot, he just pushed up, over and fired.

Greer's left arm crosses his shoulder in perfect unison with the headshot in nix, proving Zapruder was altered to hide Greer as the real assassin. The same movement happens in muchmore but there's an obstructed view running forward. You can see the white/bleached gun going to the floor after Greer shoots and turns forward.

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The fake hand is very obvious without even looking at nix because of Bob Harris's brightening of this footage. No evidence exists that his left hand ever returned to the wheel and all researchers did was ignore that he passed the gun, therefore ignoring he shot jfk and supported a very obviously altered Zfilm because they felt it was politically incorrect to prove this shocking and pathetic fact against american government.

NO HAND OR ARM...there is nothing but some grey thing that tried and failed to mimic a hand but there's one huge problem there. THEY DIDN'T ATTACH A FAKE ARM TO THE FAKE HAND.LOL

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If William Greer did not kill Kennedy none of these alterations would have taken place. If Greer didn't shoot jfk his left arm would not be crossing in two other films. If Greer wasn't the assassin he would NOT have passed anything to his left hand. If Greer was innocent it wouldn't look exactly like he shoots jfk with silly FAKE reflections creating that visual at the exact moment jfk's shot in the head. In other words, it is impossible for Greer to be anything but guilty of assassinating John F. Kennedy.

My obsession paid off in the biggest way possible for any truth seekers in this world. Never in this country has there ever been a more epic blunder than those goons in the 60's thinking they could get away with something as silly as using the secret service to kill an American President in an open limousine. Make no mistake that this is not as much me who solved this silly cover-up but the information age.

7forever

01-28-2012, 03:32 PM

Mary took her pic at zframe 309 and in it, the fake blob of white is entirely missing from Roy's head because it was added during alteration to mirror the gun's movement over Greer's shoulder. The gun was not next to his face but near his right shoulder. Connally's reflection is accurately depicted in both the pic and film for authenticity.

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The fake reflection was NOT added to the nix or muchmore films. THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE TO THE TOP OF THE HEAD.

7forever

01-29-2012, 04:51 PM

Increase your screen size to 200% and watch the area over Greer's right shoulder. It pops in unison with the headshot. It's most noticeable at normal speed.

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This old copy shows the same recoil/jolt backward but with video fakery. The second gif shows Roy's head functioning as the gun with emitting muzzle blast smoke before it extends in sync with the front right entrance and fake mist. The gun was really at the level of his right shoulder hidden by Kellerman's head. Also, notice the all-important splice in Zapruder after the shot.

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7forever

01-30-2012, 12:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by yyy123
Except... I was not addressing the hand. I was addressing your ignorance regarding reflections. You were very clear in indicating that the reflection from the front passenger's head was faked because it did not show up in a photograph taken from a different angle. As any 5 year old knows... change the angle and a reflection is no longer visible.
You're not much of a sleuth if you are tripped up by what is obvious.

Also, in all this time you have yet to prove the Greer shot is even possible. Your case is based upon the hypothesis that an over the shoulder shot, in the space of 1 second or less, while driving a vehicle is even possible.

The film being altered to make it look like his left arm didn't cross is the evidence that Greer shot jfk. The alteration would NOT have been committed for any other reason. Connnally's reflection is depicted the same in the polaroid and Zapruder but Roy's head is without the fake blob in the polaroid, nix, and muchmore. The muchmore cap is the moment of entrance to jfk's right forehead.

In addition, it recoils and does all kinds of impossible things only a cartoon could produce. It's fake and you have nothing but making blanket statements of fact, which are impossible. Unless the sun disappears when filmed from the other side of a reflection, but depicts the same reflection on Connally but not Kellerman. The Moorman pic was taken at Zapruder frame 309 and shows no fake reflection on Roy's head, but frame 312-313 of Z shows the fake reflection causing the headshot. Connally's reflection is the same in the pic and Zapruder. Defeated liars like yourself must ignore Connally's consistent reflection and impose fictional fantasies. The nix film depicts no fake reflection, and Roy's head snaps back swiftly (just like you'd expect of someone trying to hide that the driver was shooting the President), the complete opposite of the perfectly altered movement seen in Zapruder.

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7forever

02-07-2012, 02:50 PM

Right lateral x-ray shows bullet fragments behind right eye

The Head Shot from the Front (http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/front.htm)
Well guys, I knew this case was solved almost a year ago when the recoil showed itself but there is so much more like metallic fragments at exactly the site the autopsy refers to and Greer describing the wound path with the right eye as the start point going back to the rear. Notice the fragments just behind and slightly above the right eyesocket. READ THE STUFF below...it nails it.

The autopsy x-rays contain additional evidence of a frontal shot. Wound ballistics expert Dr. Larry Sturdivan told the HSCA that if an exploding or frangible bullet had struck the skull, it "definitely" would have left a cloud of metal fragments close to the point of entrance:
Mr. MATHEWS. Mr. Sturdivan, taking a look at JFK exhibit F-53, which is an X-ray of President Kennedy's skull, can you give us your opinion as to whether the President may have been hit with an exploding bullet?
Mr. STURDIVAN. . . . In those cases, you would definitely have seen a cloud of metallic fragments very near the entrance wound. (1 HSCA 401)
Dr. Sturdivan was seemingly unaware of the fact that on the unenhanced autopsy x-rays, a cloud of fragments is visible in the right frontal region, which would indicate that a frangible bullet struck in that area. Apparently Dr. Sturdivan only examined the enhanced x-rays and not the original x-rays. Historian Dr. Michael Kurtz comments on Dr. Sturdivan's testimony:
Sturvidan also stated that Kennedy was not struck in the front of the head by an exploding bullet fired from the grassy knoll. The reason, Sturdivan declared, was that the computer-enhanced x-rays of Kennedy's skull do not depict "a cloud of metallic fragments very near the entrance wound." In cases where exploding bullets impact, he asserted that "you would definitely have seen" such a cloud of fragments in the x-ray. Sturdivan's remarks betrayed both his own ignorance of the medical evidence and the committee's careful manipulation of that evidence. Sturdivan saw only the computer-enhanced x-ray of the skull, not the original, unretouched x-rays. Had he seen the originals, he would have observed a cloud of metallic fragments clustered in the right front portion of the head. Furthermore, the close-up photograph of the margins of the large wound in the head shows numerous small fragments. The Forensic Pathology Panel itself noted the presence of "missile dust" near the wound in the front of the head. One of the expert radiologists who examined the x-rays noticed "a linear alignment of tiny metallic fragments" located in the "posterior aspect of the right frontal bone." The chief autopsy pathologist, Dr. James J. Humes, remarked about the numerous metallic fragments like grains of sand scattered near the front head wound. The medical evidence, then, definitely proves the existence of a cloud of fragments in the right front portion of Kennedy's head, convincing evidence, according to Sturdivan, that an exploding bullet actually did strike the president there.

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7forever

02-09-2012, 04:04 PM

Between jfk and 911, a great case can be made that humanity is ignorant, but the advent of the internet has made it possible to expose that unsettling fact. Getting people to organize is what hasn't happened, but must, if there is to be any lasting progress. Agreeing on basic facts and supporting any and all researchers who have relevant information on a wide range of topics is required.

Lebron23

03-25-2012, 05:22 PM

FBI kept files on John F Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe 'orgies'

http://www.news.com.au/world/fbi-kept-files-on-john-f-kennedy-and-marilyn-monroe-orgies/story-e6frfkyi-1225880120036

http://gawker.com/5563070/fbis-kennedy-sex-party-memo-did-jfk-teddy-and-marilyn-monroe-have-an-orgy

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FBI

RaininThrees

03-25-2012, 09:24 PM

7forever

04-09-2012, 05:04 PM

How do we know that YOU aren't doctoring these photos?

NOW WHO'S PARANOID?!

I posted endless links that belonged to others, and didn't need to alter anything, but pointed to what was altered.

7forever

04-09-2012, 05:06 PM

Greer shooting JFK is a valid theory. He sure as hell brings his left hand up, over the right shoulder while looking back and POP there goes the skullshot in perfect synch. That would be one hell of a coincidence to explain away. What better assassin to employ than the SS? And that fits the definition of "Gonzo" - doing something so openly and blatantly horrific that nobody would dare think it is even possible. Perfect way to take out the president with all the sniper shots going off to confuse witnesses. I don't think that the planners would rely on a shot of many dozens of meters if they could find another way. . . Like a point blank headshot from the driver.

Very few people on the boards were willing to state the obvious because it's so easy to see who did it once someone pointed it out. It's politically incorrect to place blame on Government when the evidence is so direct and conclusive.

It's as simple as showing Greer's left arm really extended over with the headshot and the absurdity of the fake hand in Zapruder. The whole limo jolts upward in unison with the headshot.

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Lamar Doom

04-11-2012, 03:47 AM

awwww hell, they submersible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJeFn3LKou4)

7forever

04-15-2012, 11:54 AM

OP i believe U are correct.the driver does shoot him.
i cant believe i never saw it before...
thanks for posting this.
its clear enough.
besides being shot by someone else, jfk WAS indeed shot by the driver.
its right there in the video.

I will make it simple for all the naysayers. Some things aren't supposed to be true but really are and rarely they are proven, like in the case of the driver shooting jfk. The only defense against this truth has been invalidated by showing that Greer's left arm/hand really did cross with the headshot. The illusion has been proven a reality.

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Rasheed1

04-15-2012, 12:32 PM

I'll say this much

Your determination is to be admired... I basically have seen all these videos and I was very intrigued by the JFK II video about George HW Bush's role it all of this.

Maybe you should bundle all this up and create a blog or a book or video detailing the things in this thread..

7forever

05-26-2012, 12:44 PM

7forever

03-20-2013, 02:40 PM

JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner (http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html)

Many eyewitnesses reported hearing a shot inside or near the Presidential limousine. The driver, Bill Greer was seated two rows in front of and slightly to Jfk's left.

1.Bobby Hargis (Police motorcycle outrider, left rear of limousine):
Mr. Stern: Do you recall your impression at the time regarding the shots?
[b]Hargis:

7forever

03-21-2013, 11:39 AM

I'm confused.

If the Zapruder Film was altered (presumably either to bolster the official story of
a single sniper firing from behind or to hide some other piece of evidence not related
to the actual shots or wounds) why would a "right rear exit wound" be added?

Great question. It was not added but attempts were made to hide it. It was always there when the headshot occurred in Zapruder, between frames 312-313. Folks who are trying to cover up the truth must ignore that the exit on the rear is clearly visible in frame 313 along with the FAKE red blob in the front right. The red blob had to be added to the right front because that's where the bullet entered. Had they added it to the right side, the impact area would have been more apparent in the correct entry location over the right eye. Notice the rear opening at the same time as the red blob in the front.

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Riddler

03-21-2013, 05:38 PM

7forever is back!!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

7forever

05-05-2013, 07:09 PM

Greer didn't stop but did apply pressure to the brakes as is proven by looking at Gerda's nice closeups of both brake lights in the Muchmore film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKqWozXc4KY

7forever

05-11-2013, 09:08 AM

http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm

I will be responsible for telling the real truth, but my discovery of the rear gaping and exploding in Zapruder is something that Bob Harris and most jfk researchers will likely never acknowledge because they know where it leads. It leaves no doubt about the exit location and leads to a conclusion that they don't want. It's coming whether they like it or not. There may have been some missing temporal bone below and left of the right ear but not the right side of the head. Audrey Bell confirms this important fact.

His rear skull first gapes open, then skull detaches. In the loop you can see the lane through his open skull, then it blackens. That is followed by his skull open and closing yet again.

"-Although only in Trauma Room One for 3-5 minutes,[b] she did see the head wound. After asking Dr.
Perry

7forever

05-21-2013, 11:07 AM

A GREAT POST BY SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS COMMON SENSE

The fairy tale we are dealing with is the WC Fairy Tale. Nix shows Greer crossing his arm over to the right side of his body at the moment of JFKs execution. At the very least this film should arouse even a slight, fleeting, tiny curiosity that perhaps, maybe, possibly, Greer should have been handcuffed at Parkland, tried before a jury with a competent prosecutor, and swung on a rope for murder after being found guilty. The case against Greer, as presented here is solid as granite rock. If the rock is too hard for some people than perhaps its time to hear the WC Fairy Tale again and hit the pillow again as reality is becoming too challenging. Its OK ....the government prefers you this way.

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MadeFromDust

05-21-2013, 10:04 PM

wtf is this groundhog day am I stuck in it?

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7forever

05-24-2013, 11:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1PbgeBoQ4

Bob Harris accuses me of altering something without any proof because there isn't any. What I have shown is the back of the head was blown out at the exact frames that match the headshot in Zapruder and official reports, 312 and 313. This is 312 and 313 taken from Bob's video and it clearly shows the exit hole in 313. The gif files show the fake mist starting before the full red blob in between the frames which confirms the hole started before 313. The back of the head starts to break during that first part which also is confirmed by an old gif file made long ago by an unknown. I DID NOT BLEND ANYTHING, but possibly may have slowed it down, but maybe not because Bob's clip was already slowed down.

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RaininThrees

05-24-2013, 01:32 PM

I suggest you give this a watch:

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episode/jfk-the-lost-bullet.html

A pretty thorough debunking of all JFK conspiracy theories regarding multiple shooters, and a pretty thorough proof of how the single shooter story is probably the right one.

It is here as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fKlSOKgJCM

Might save you some time, 7Forever.

7forever

06-09-2013, 07:52 AM

Jean Hill, the lady in red saw the driver shoot back.

Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm)

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.

Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.
Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was?
Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down.
Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.

Mrs. HILL - Yes; and as I came across the street--as I said---I never did see Mrs. Kennedy get up or anything, because when I ran across the street, the first motorcycle that was fight behind her nearly hit me turning around, because I looked up in his face and he was looking all around.
Mr. SPECTER - You mean the policeman?
Mrs. HILL - Yes; and I don't think he ever did see me. I Just looked at him and dodged then because I thought his wheel was going to hit me, and I don't think he ever did see me, and I ran across through there and started up the hill. When I looked down on the ground, I mean, as I was running up the hill to catch that man, I looked down and saw some red stuff and I thought, "Oh, they got him, he's bleeding," and this is embarrassing, but it turned out to be Koolade or some sort of red drink.
Mr. SPECTER - You thought they had gotten the man who was running away?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."
Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe what that man looked like?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't
Mr. SPECTER - How tall was he?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?
Mrs. HILL - Well, yes; but I don't want to.
Mr. SPECTER - Why is that?

Mrs. HILL - Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Why did you think they were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - That was just my idea where they were coming from.

Mrs. HILL - Not any different from any of them. I thought it was just people shooting from the knoll---I did think there was more than one person shooting.
Mr. SPECTER - You did think there was more than one person shooting?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What made you think that?
Mrs. HILL - The way the 'gun report sounded and the difference in the way they were fired-the timing.

Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.
Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.

Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.

FRAME 310 OF ZAPRUDER. Jean Hill was looking directly at the limo just before Greer shot the President, while he brought the car to a near stop. That's really what her testimony focuses on, the fatal shot, and any more just prior or after that.

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