OT: TO's first strike in Dallas.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I can just see the smug look on Skip Bayless's face. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2562846)
Not that I disagree with him. Before last season with the Eagles I was a big TO fan. Not anymore. This guy has one of the worst non-criminal personalities in sports. I thought he'd at least take a season not to be a pain in Dallas, but on thinking about it, JJ giving TO the contract he wanted may have been a prime example of positive reinforcement for negative behavior. TO was at his worst in Philly and ended up getting his money anyway, so now, in his mind, he doesn't have to change. And you know what? He's right.

[mavsfan4zindagi]

I thought Season 1 would go off without a hitch.

Looks like I may have been wrong. We'll see how things go when the season actually starts though.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

it's just some AI from 2003-2004 behavior.

he'll get over it..


at least Dallas fans hope.

[fatboy11]

I'm with you guys. I thought he'd at least behave this season.

Now I'm stuck with him on 2 fantasy squads and am left wondering what will become of him.

[Shepseskaf]

TO is trapped into living up (or down) to the negative stereotypes attached to him. I thought he would have a relatively problem-free year, but apparently this is how its going to go for this guy as long as he's playing. It will get interesting to see if he gets the boot from Dallas whether any other team will take a chance on him.

[Skywalker]

Hey hotsizzle, is TO untouchable now?

JUST PLAY FOOTBALL TERRELL!

Does anyone know if hes gonna play vs. my Vikings?

[kentatm]

this is no big deal. tons of players get fined for missing meetings.

[Hawker]

ok...he will be ready when the season starts.

[The Mamba]

TO... get your head out of your ass, man. Be respectable, do what you're supposed to (paid to), have some self respect, and don't keep living down to the expectations. Man, this kid is a nut case.

[Skywalker]

Kid? Isnt he like 32? Time flies

[hotsizzle]

TO will own the nfl. just wait and see. media has been on his ass ever since he inked that contract. he'll be ready for the opener

yes skywalker, still untouchable...

[Dick Biggly]

this mo'****a just doesn't get it. You'd think he would realize that he's getting up there in age and his opportunities for getting a big contract are getting smaller every year.

[Real Men Wear Green]

this is no big deal. tons of players get fined for missing meetings.
It's not all that frequent (how many times has it happenned in the last month) and you have to consider the history of the player in question. He's been in a nuisance on two different teams already, even driving Philly to suspend him for a season.

[kentatm]

i really wish Dallas had kept Keyshawn b/c then they would ahve 3 WRs that had been kicked off SuperBowl teams (Terry Glenn was too)

[mlh1981]

the NFL is full of punks. A lot of these guys are pure SCUM (like T.O.) yet the NBA is the one with the "image problem?" ARE YOU SERIOUS? DON'T YOU ****ING TELL ME THAT THE NBA IS FULL OF PUNKS! The NFL is FULL of trashy individuals, egomaniac coaches, and conversative souless owners. I have come to the conclusion that football fans only care about being entertained, and that they could care less about the trouble that players get into. If you can run a great post route, who really gives a **** if you beat your wife, eh? This holds true in most sports. If you can perform well, noone cares about your baggage. However, it seems to be more true in the NFL. I like football, don't get me wrong. However, I am sick of some of these THUGS that should be behind bars, NOT earning millions! I am also sick of the perception that the NBA is somehow worse than the NFL pertaining to this!

[kentatm]

A lot of these guys are pure SCUM (like T.O.)

while TO is a media whore and runs his mouth far too much, scum is a bit much to call him. he doesnt get into trouble off the field aside from talking smack. in fact, he is no worse than Shaq ego wise.

[Skywalker]

the NFL is full of punks. A lot of these guys are pure SCUM (like T.O.) yet the NBA is the one with the "image problem?" ARE YOU SERIOUS? DON'T YOU ****ING TELL ME THAT THE NBA IS FULL OF PUNKS! The NFL is FULL of trashy individuals, egomaniac coaches, and conversative souless owners. I have come to the conclusion that football fans only care about being entertained, and that they could care less about the trouble that players get into. If you can run a great post route, who really gives a **** if you beat your wife, eh? This holds true in most sports. If you can perform well, noone cares about your baggage. However, it seems to be more true in the NFL. I like football, don't get me wrong. However, I am sick of some of these THUGS that should be behind bars, NOT earning millions! I am also sick of the perception that the NBA is somehow worse than the NFL pertaining to this!

We need a rant forum.

[The Mamba]

TO will own the nfl. just wait and see. media has been on his ass ever since he inked that contract. he'll be ready for the opener

yes skywalker, still untouchable...
They've been on his ass for years. And rightfully so, dude is a head case. After all that trouble he has been through, he can't be on his best behavior? To at least shut people up? Season hasn't started and he is already ****ing up. My man is a serious problem. His talent doesn't out weight the negatives he brings to a ball club. He never shuts up either. He's got a great work ethic, but he feels too much is owed to him. TO is a clown.

[mlh1981]

T.O is all about letting the world know how good he is, and how much he wants the ball throw his way on every play. The problem is, when you become a team cancer, then that is the first thing people think of when your name is mentioned. Honestly, when his name is mentioned, people think "o yeah, the headcase," instead of "wow, that guy can play"

[hotsizzle]

the media are the ones that want TO to get in trouble. many many players sit out practices but when TO does it..hell freezes over. TO has been in the league for a long time, hes a workoholic, gives 110% everytime he practices, if he doesnt feel comfortable playin, the so be it...get off him. and what happend to portis in preseason..why would TO risk his ass in a meaningless game like that...steve smith and hines ward havent done **** either, but no one talks about them... im sick to death with the controversy, let it be..and let him play. fined $9500, lots of players get fined...oh well. TO will be ready to start for the opener, and he solidify his rep as the #1 WR in the nfl.

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[The Mamba]

Are you kidding guy? The media make profit with stories from TO, but TO does the screwing up... ALL BY HIMSELF. He feeds all of that stuff, because he is such a dumb ass. The reason why "hell is freezing" over is because T.O. just built a rep the past few years of literally breaking apart HIS OWN team, as opposed to other teams. No matter where he goes, he ****s stuff up. After destroying a Championship club in the Eagles, with all his bitterness and selfishness... turning on his "friend" and overall great guy and pro bowl calibe player in Donovan McNabb... wouldn't you want to show up on the next squad on the absolute best behavior? He was lucky he got to play football this year, let alone get the kind of contract he got. He's lucky, and this is how he starts to repay the Cowboys organization? It goes way beyond selfishness. It is down right sickening what this guy does. And it wasn't just "missing practice". He publically criticized the organization saying "they pushed him too hard." Do a Justin Timberlake, cry me a river... build a bridge and get over it. You're a grown ass man, complaining like that. Nothing is ever good enough for T.O. He forced a trade to the Eagles from the Ravens, so he could play with McNabb...then he puts McNabb on blast. The guy is just beyond shady. He's an *******. The thing is, he shouldn't be having to be fined. He should've been on his best behavior. He missed 3 consecutive team meetings. All b/c he is something beyond 'selfish'. "I love me, some me." That tells the whole story about one, Terrell Owens. He's a head case, and assclown. I don't see Marvin Harrison getting fined. He just shuts up, and plays. And balls out of control. T.O. is talented, but he ruins it by being such a douche bag. Word is he might not even start. Bill Parcels is going to break his dumb ass in, and hive him come off the bench as the #3 reciever. We'll see if he keeps talking if the main man, Bill Parcels puts his ass on the bench. Haha, it's going to be hilarious to see T.O. crash and burn AGAIN in the comming months.

[dgbigballer9329]

I actually usually stick up for T.O., even though he's a Cowboy and I'm a Redskins fan. But, I mean.......he's just ridiculous.

[dgbigballer9329]

the NFL is full of punks. A lot of these guys are pure SCUM (like T.O.) yet the NBA is the one with the "image problem?" ARE YOU SERIOUS? DON'T YOU ****ING TELL ME THAT THE NBA IS FULL OF PUNKS! The NFL is FULL of trashy individuals, egomaniac coaches, and conversative souless owners. I have come to the conclusion that football fans only care about being entertained, and that they could care less about the trouble that players get into. If you can run a great post route, who really gives a **** if you beat your wife, eh? This holds true in most sports. If you can perform well, noone cares about your baggage. However, it seems to be more true in the NFL. I like football, don't get me wrong. However, I am sick of some of these THUGS that should be behind bars, NOT earning millions! I am also sick of the perception that the NBA is somehow worse than the NFL pertaining to this!

Every sport is full of punks.......every sport has punks and good guys, just like pretty much any profession. Don't tell you the NBA is full of punks??? They are all over the place. What are you talking about?

The bolded part......i know you're just making a sweeping generalization (which I sometimes do too), and you can criticize T.O. for a lot of things, but he's neither violent nor a criminal. He's just one of the biggest a-holes I can remember in sports. Yet and still a part of me wishes he were a Redskin, but I just don't think he'd succeed anywhere now. Maybe the Patriots.

[hotsizzle]

TO does screw up but the media overblows it. so what if he had a hamstring problem and he couldnt practice. alot of players miss practices..but he stands out instantly.

although Im a cowboys fan, Im a big philly fan too and mcnabb is one of my favorite players. in fact, i think he'll be a candidate for mvp this yr but anyways, what happend in philly was not only TO's fault. mcnabb somewhat refused to share the spotlight and owens wanted his cred too. TO is somewhat sensitive (a trait he developed from childhood experinces)...when mcnabb came out and said right before the superbowl, that "TO ready or not, we'll have a good chance to win...we didnt need him to get this far and if hes not ready for the superbowl, we will be" or something like that. that lit a flame under TO..even though mcnabb was somewhat justified to say so..because it gives the team more confidence and such..but TO took it a wrong way. it was just stuff like that ruined the TO in philly thing. it was somewhat relative to what happend in LA but was more hostile and public.....because of TO's big mouth.

why he missed team meetings? I dont know, but imo, he shouldnt play preseason if he doesnt want to...I just think that alot of blame has been placed on TO cuz of his big mouth, the same mouth that intimidates DBs

guy does need to get it together...this is his last chance. i admire his work ethic, his talent, and yes, his arrogance. i just hope he gets his head on straight before its too late. situation is more than what it actually is though imo.

[dgbigballer9329]

What is the media supposed to do??? They have a job to do.........report the news using quotes/history/events. I'm a sportswriter (now) and we get paid to print and write what people tell us. Write stories around it.

How can you honestly blame the media?? It's a big story. He just signed a big contract after getting kicked off one team, and now he's missing all of preseason, practices, and skipping meetings. He has a track record of controversy, bringing attention on himself whether it's touchdown celebrations or PUBLICLY criticizing both his starting quarterbacks. It's one thing for you to think he gets too much blame. But that's for you to decide, not the media.

I hate when people blame the media. They report information. That's what they do.


I just think that alot of blame has been placed on TO cuz of his big mouth, the same mouth that intimidates DBs

His mouth doesn't intimidate DBs......his ability does.

[The Mamba]

He stands out not because he missed practice (he did more than miss practice) it's because he runs his mouth, and talks out of turn about things he has no business mentioning. I.E. Saying Dallas pushed him too hard. Then having the balls to tell his coach, who is a HOFer, that he won't play in preseason. Like hell you won't. The coach needs to evaluate talent, and where everyone fits. Then, T.O. has the brass to say "Well I have been playing for 10 years, check the tapes." That is down right disgusting. He's a ****. Complains about being pushed too hard. What kind of baby is this kat? You're a football player? You don't say that in the media, period. And it isn't like he just missed a practice. He missed a team meeting, an offensive coordination meeting, and a rehab procedure. Just because he wasn't feeling right physically, doesn not give him right to miss meetings. He just blew them off, without giving the team a reason. It isn't blown out of proportion. His dumb ass should've known he was going to be under a microscope...based of all the stupid things he has done the past few years. But it doesn't take a microscope to see all the stupid things T.O. does. His head, or lack there of, gets in the way of him being truly great.

T.O.'s situation isn't even close to the Shaq/Kobe situation. Shaq and Kobe did not go to the outrageous extents that this crazy *******, Terrell Owens goes. They didn't skip practices and team meetings in order to immaturely try to prove a point. They didn't get suspended by their team, and miss half of a season. They exchanged verbal jabs, but they didn't go for knockout character blows like T.O. does. When it came down to it, Kobe and Shaq respected each other. And WANTED to like each other. And for the most part, winning 3 rings... they were pretty damn successful. T.O. hasn't had any success like that, but he feels it is his right to tell you and upper managment how he feels, and what he deserves. He's delusional. No way around it. He's a bonnafide nutball.

[hotsizzle]

when i talked bout the shaq/kobe scenario...i was relating it to TO/Mcnabb in the sense of two superstars that cant get along with each other off the field/court. when things went wrong on the field/court, situation blew up. it was alot more hostile and sickening to see in philly but it rose from the same branch..two players with big egos..TOs mouth is what put it over the edge.

If TO keeps his mouth shut and just plays...would be all good. i still think this will just roll over and TO will end up dominating. i would hate to see a talent wasted like that

Im not justifying the stuff TO is doing...any sane person would know this the stuff hes doin is wrong. but i think the media is makin too much of a deal outta of it than it is. but i guess its TOs fault for his past rep..i just wanna see him play

[JtotheIzzo]

The above posts are just too damn long to read, so if I rehash things excuse me.

T.O. APOLOGISTS NEED TO GIVE UP, THE GUY IS A COMPLETE CANCER.

SF
PHILLY
DALLAS

The difference this time is Parcells. Bill dont give a falk and will make TO suffer mentally by completely ignoring him. This shyt is gonna get real wild.

What I really want to see though is Charlie Murphy doing T.O. skits on Chappelle Show...that would be funny.

[Rasheed1]

TO is a strange guy.....

his talent is incredible, but I dont understand why at this point he doesnt get himself in order and stop being a distraction at least for a season...

I think he was hurt by being released from the Eagles...He likes to run his yap and then redeem himself on the field....but with the Eagles suspending him last year, he was deprived of his chance to show his positives...that makes it even more baffling as to why the guy doesnt fall in line with Parcells....Bill Parcells could really help TO reach that level of achievement that Hall of famers get to....But he is playing more games for some odd reason...I enjoyed having TO on the Eagles, but he had worn out his welcome and it was time for him to go....These recent developments have Eagles fans and the team alike snickering to ourselves...The guy is insane...i like TO's competiveness, but he is overshadowing his play with his off the field non-sense....Its makes less sense for him to be this way...for all the negative attention he gets himself, he may as well be commiting crimes and wyldin out.....

[Da KO King]

TO's rep precedes him. He's the only player in the NFL who can be a distraction by resting a injured hamstring.

It' sad that he doesn't get it yet like Randy Moss now gets it. Moss realized that what ever he does/says the media will shape into what they want it to be. So rather than just be himself without thinking he now carefully plots out his words/actions.

[JtotheIzzo]

It is not fair to drag Randy Moss into this. Moss may have falked up a few times, but IMO Randy comes across as a good teammate and guy with his heart in the right place at the end of the day. TO reminds me of Tyrese from 'The Mad Real World'

[Da KO King]

It is not fair to drag Randy Moss into this. Moss may have falked up a few times, but IMO Randy comes across as a good teammate and guy with his heart in the right place at the end of the day. TO reminds me of Tyrese from 'The Mad Real World'So are you denying that the Media also likes to portray Moss as a bad guy every chance they can?

Go look at a Randy Moss interview from 5 years ago. They ask a question and he answers without thinking/filtering his thoughts.

Check out his interviews now. He's obviously planning his thoughts out before speaking.

Its sad that a grown man has to edit his thoughts but it is what it is.

Randy understands what Terrell seems to not know or not want to accept: the media's perception is the public's reality.

[JtotheIzzo]

Not denying anything, I just think TO is one hundred times worse a teammate and more a 'badguy' than Randy ever could be.

The meida will bash any flashy black man with unlimited potential at every turn. That is because the media is made up of angry white guys who were nerds growing up.

[Joey Zaza]

The question is, where to draft TO.

Playing, TO is a 1st round pick. You should not draft him in the 1st rouind now - but how long can you wait.

3rd round? Will he be gone by then?

[Kobe24]

We should do a second fantasy league for ISH.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The question is, where to draft TO.

Playing, TO is a 1st round pick. You should not draft him in the 1st rouind now - but how long can you wait.

3rd round? Will he be gone by then?
He'll still put up good fantasy numbers. He's more like a timebomb than just a flat-out unreliable guy in that incident after incident will pile up and that will likely lead to the end in Dallas, but not before he gives them some big games. Expect the end to come in December, not September.

[Da KO King]

Not denying anything, I just think TO is one hundred times worse a teammate and more a 'badguy' than Randy ever could be.

The meida will bash any flashy black man with unlimited potential at every turn. That is because the media is made up of angry white guys who were nerds growing up.In your opinion he's a worse teammate yet in the Philly locker room you had at least half the team on TO's side. So what does that mean?

Terrell's not a bad guy. He had a rough childhood and he's ultra-sensitive but not a bad guy. He also speaks his mind freely and tries to hide his sensitive by putting out a I don't care attitude.

Some people recognize it for what it is. Others think he's arrogant. Some feels he shouldn't say certain things while others feel a grown man in America can say whatever he wants.

TO is guy you either really like or really dislike. He's still a great WR so Dallas fans will be glad he's on the time come playoff time while Eagles fans will want to kill Donovan McNabb when the Birds miss the playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm not sold on Philly being bad. They made the NFC Championship game 4 straight years with McNabb healthy and the Superbowl run was also made without TO. In the end, what did Owens do for the Eagles? He had a spectacular individual year but lead them to 0 playoff wins and they make the postseason in the SB year with or without him. And if he doesn't start to fall in line like a good soldier he won't be helping Dallas much either because I guarantee you that Bill Parcells is not going to put up with his primadonna bull**** all season. That's one coach that isn't having it. That's why he got fined. So the question is, "can Owens change?" So far the answer is no.

[JtotheIzzo]

In your opinion he's a worse teammate yet in the Philly locker room you had at least half the team on TO's side. So what does that mean?

This is dumb...who divided the locker room? It sure wasn't Donovan. Once you start bickering and guys pick sides it aint gonna be 100% to 0% ever. Some Cowboys will side with him over Parcells too, but the bottom line is he will divide his team once again due to his selfishness.



Terrell's not a bad guy. He had a rough childhood and he's ultra-sensitive but not a bad guy. He also speaks his mind freely and tries to hide his sensitive by putting out a I don't care attitude.

Pathetic...

You are a TO apologist, he's falkin 32 years old, do you honestly belive that 'rough childhood' bullshyt, I guess we should coddle him and let him behave above the team because of past hardships lol. That aint how it works, the guy is a falkin millionnaire quit feeling sorry for his fur coat wearing as$.



Some people recognize it for what it is. Others think he's arrogant. Some feels he shouldn't say certain things while others feel a grown man in America can say whatever he wants..

A grown man can say whatever he wants, but he has to answer to his own stupidity, especially when it specifically hampers the aspirations of others.



TO is guy you either really like or really dislike. He's still a great WR so Dallas fans will be glad he's on the time come playoff time while Eagles fans will want to kill Donovan McNabb when the Birds miss the playoffs.

That is wishful thinking...time for reality...he has made a stable on the rise team in Dallas the focus for all the wrong reasons. TO leaves a mess everywhere he goes, I will agree with you about Philly, TO is like football version of Katrina, he goes in wreaks havoc with his shyt storm and leaves town while the others shake their heads and pick up the pieces.

No doubt he has talent, lets see him play a full season, not just show off his abs and do push up for the media

[Rasheed1]

I'm not sold on Philly being bad. They made the NFC Championship game 4 straight years with McNabb healthy and the Superbowl run was also made without TO. In the end, what did Owens do for the Eagles? He had a spectacular individual year but lead them to 0 playoff wins and they make the postseason in the SB year with or without him.

the only problem with us (the eagles) is that our division was a doormat for those years we rolled to the NFC title games. Me personally, I chalked up the wins before those seasons even started...6 wins right off the jump...thats half-way to home field through-out the playoffs right there...Now the division is very tough and we are gonna have to duke it out in the division just like the other teams...I think we are as good right now as those teams that got to the NFC title games...but we'll see if we can get there again..it wont be as easy as it was...


And if he doesn't start to fall in line like a good soldier he won't be helping Dallas much either because I guarantee you that Bill Parcells is not going to put up with his primadonna bull**** all season. That's one coach that isn't having it. That's why he got fined. So the question is, "can Owens change?" So far the answer is no.

right...TO may just be the key to the division...If he gets himself together, he could help Dallas get to the super bowl, or he could keep the turmoil going and help some other team get there...Redskins look to be tough this year...Giants look to be good also..it'll be fun to watch

[Da KO King]

This is dumb...who divided the locker room? It sure wasn't Donovan. Once you start bickering and guys pick sides it aint gonna be 100% to 0% ever. Some Cowboys will side with him over Parcells too, but the bottom line is he will divide his team once again due to his selfishness. Media perception divided the locker room. Did Owens every have a public problem with anyone besides McNabb and the front office? Did Owens ever dog it in games or practice?


Pathetic...

You are a TO apologist, he's falkin 32 years old, do you honestly belive that 'rough childhood' bullshyt, I guess we should coddle him and let him behave above the team because of past hardships lol. That aint how it works, the guy is a falkin millionnaire quit feeling sorry for his fur coat wearing as$.I'm not an apologist nor do I feel sorry for him. I'm simply acknowledging and explaining why his "I Don't Care" attitude is a front to cover his sensitivty. He's like Shaq O'Neal pretends he doesn't care when he really does.




A grown man can say whatever he wants, but he has to answer to his own stupidity, especially when it specifically hampers the aspirations of others.Hampers the aspirations of others? :confused:



That is wishful thinking...time for reality...he has made a stable on the rise team in Dallas the focus for all the wrong reasons. TO leaves a mess everywhere he goes, I will agree with you about Philly, TO is like football version of Katrina, he goes in wreaks havoc with his shyt storm and leaves town while the others shake their heads and pick up the pieces.

No doubt he has talent, lets see him play a full season, not just show off his abs and do push up for the mediaSo now Philly's current mess is Owens fault? So you ignore the fact that they were 4-3 w/ Owens but 2-7 w/o him? The problems in currently in Philly aren't about Owens. Its about a team for years got fat playing in a division with three rebuilding teams. People act like they forgot about the years where it was referred to as the NFL LEast. Now that the teams in the division are back to being good the Eagles have been exposed.

[JtotheIzzo]

Media perception divided the locker room. Did Owens every have a public problem with anyone besides McNabb and the front office? Did Owens ever dog it in games or practice?

No, I think he was cool with one of the trainers, so I guess he didn't have a problem with everyone.


I'm not an apologist nor do I feel sorry for him. I'm simply acknowledging and explaining why his "I Don't Care" attitude is a front to cover his sensitivty. He's like Shaq O'Neal pretends he doesn't care when he really does.

You keep comparing him to Shaq...that is just wrong...sensitive? yeah man he's falkin Ralph Tresvant.




Hampers the aspirations of others? :confused:

His coaches (Parcells), his QBs (Garcia, McNabb, Bledsoe?, Romo?), his teammates who want to use some of his potential for the greater good (wins, team play), that TO refuses to buy into without his 'me first' attitude.




So now Philly's current mess is Owens fault? So you ignore the fact that they were 4-3 w/ Owens but 2-7 w/o him?

Same way you forget they played in a few NFC title games and got to the Super Bowl without him.

Everyone else is wrong, you are right, you know TO, you understand his struggle, nobody gets him, its McNabb, Garcia, Reid, Mariucci, the Ravens....well damn its got to someone elses fault, they jsut got it in for TO...nobody understands his rough upbringing, because he along with Raja Bell just needed a little more hugging.

spare me your BS...

TO is a jerkoff who is pi$$ing away an opportunity to be the GOAT because in the ultimate team sport (Football) he cant buy into the basic concept of team before individual.

[Rasheed1]

So now Philly's current mess is Owens fault? So you ignore the fact that they were 4-3 w/ Owens but 2-7 w/o him? The problems in currently in Philly aren't about Owens. Its about a team for years got fat playing in a division with three rebuilding teams. People act like they forgot about the years where it was referred to as the NFL LEast. Now that the teams in the division are back to being good the Eagles have been exposed

last season the Eagles problems were TO and injuries..the team really wasnt prepared for the distraction that Terrell became.. the Eagles front office and Andy Reid had calculated that if TO ever became a problem, they'd have the players in the locker room unanimously clamoring to get him outta there...But that didnt happen. TO used Mcnabb's contract and ongoing issue of other players not being able to get 'McNabb' money as the wedge that divided the locker room...Its one of the reasons Trotter empathized with TO (as well as other players)...TO ran his yapper to the point that nobody could or would dare bother to defend his actions...McNabb (IMO) took the wrong course of action by not standing up to TO and laying down the law about whose team this is....It probably wouldnt have swayed Owens to act different, but there were 52 other players watching, and leaders need to remember their audience at all times...If McNabb would claimed top dog status, the rest of the team prolly would have sided with him also....

As it stands now, McNabb looks like he is getting back to his old form, the team wants to get behind him and they are getting back to the atmosphere that existed before TO.....

But like I said earlier, its a different division so there wont be any cake walks or games that we can scratch off as wins like there was from 2001 to 2004....

I personally think the Eagles can get back to the super bowl this year...the defense has been very impressive and McNabb looks like he is gaining his confidence back....We still have to monitor the injuries, but the division and the NFC is there for the taking and the eagles as good a shot as anybody...

just wont be as easy

[Da KO King]

What divided the team against McNabb was that a few months after saying he didn't want to be involved in Owens contract issues he gave the thumbs up on Brian Westbrook's new deal.


His coaches (Parcells), his QBs (Garcia, McNabb, Bledsoe?, Romo?), his teammates who want to use some of his potential for the greater good (wins, team play), that TO refuses to buy into without his 'me first' attitude.You are equating resting a strained hammie with not being a team player. The guy plays and practices hard when he's healthy. He's not yet healthy. When he is healthy he will play and play well.


Rasheed I think the Eagles will be bottom of the division again this year. I see them as a 8-8 team at best. What's the general feeling about McNabb in Philly? If the team fails but the Cowboys go far does it look like people will call for McNabb's dome on a platter?

[JtotheIzzo]

You are equating resting a strained hammie with not being a team player. The guy plays and practices hard when he's healthy. He's not yet healthy. When he is healthy he will play and play well.


Yeah whatever dude. I've got $9500 that says what you are saying isn't exactly accurate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2562846

[Rasheed1]

Rasheed I think the Eagles will be bottom of the division again this year. I see them as a 8-8 team at best.

8-8 could happen... It would be a disaster if it did...I doubt it will due to their defensive improvement..but its possible in this division





What's the general feeling about McNabb in Philly? If the team fails but the Cowboys go far does it look like people will call for McNabb's dome on a platter?

People have generally moved past last year..Every one here knows McNabb is the leader of the team, so fans and players are behind him 100%. If they dissapoint the fans this year, the fans will be calling for the heads of McNabb & Andy Reid...Reid has hitched himself to McNabb in a way that they are both tied together in their fates...People will be just as p*ssed at both of them...as far as management goes, I see Reid and McNabb having more lee-way with Banner & Lurie than the fans are willing to give them...I figure if the Eagles go 8-8 this year, the fans will be fed up with these two, but the front office wont be. they'd have to screw up this year and next year to make the front office consider a new direction

[Da KO King]

Yeah whatever dude. I've got $9500 that says what you are saying isn't exactly accurate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2562846Yeah cause being leary of jumping into a full contact practice too soon means he only cares about himself.:(

If any other player shows up late to a meeting and skips a team rehab session to work with his own personal rehab staff it doesn't become this big a story.

To change subjects for a second, why do you guys think the media makes TO such a big story while when Manny Ramirez does something its just called "Manny being Manny"?

[ppierce34]

To change subjects for a second, why do you guys think the media makes TO such a big story while when Manny Ramirez does something its just called "Manny being Manny"?

To an extent. The national media tend to follow the "Manny being Manny", but local media always seem to be looking for more to get on another Manny soap opera and a lot of Sox fans are constantly *****ing about Manny. Manny deserves some of the flak he gets, but he I can't remember any injury he's had that someone hasn't accused of him of faking.

And probably the biggest reason of all, Manny doesn't play it up with the media like TO does. He basically ignores them.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Manny is different. His weird mood swings and annual trade demands are a pain but he's never gone after a teammate like Owens went after McNabb (and Garcia before him). Owens' attacks on his QBs are awful, frankly, the kind of crap that no player should ever spew. And it's all about him, all about his desire to be the #1 most popular, praised, paid, etc. player on his team. All he wants is money and attention. "But he had a rough childhood, his grandma only let him watch PBS and he was locked in a closet after school and they spit in his mouth and he's sensitive and just wants to be loved"....:cry: :cry: :cry:

I'm sick of it. someone ought to stick a pacifier in his mouth if he wants to be a baby. Maybe that'll shut him up.

KO King, please answer this question for me: What possible justification did TO have for going after Ray Lewis the way he did? I want to hear what other excuses you have for this guy, as you appear to be his lead apologist.

[JtotheIzzo]

Yeah cause being leary of jumping into a full contact practice too soon means he only cares about himself.:(

No, but skipping practice all week, showing up the day before for the walk through and then expecting to play, that sums up TO nicely


If any other player shows up late to a meeting and skips a team rehab session to work with his own personal rehab staff it doesn't become this big a story.
Its a story when the guy who gets raked through the coals for being a me first selfish guy, skips the team way to do things in favor of doing it his way.


To change subjects for a second, why do you guys think the media makes TO such a big story while when Manny Ramirez does something its just called "Manny being Manny"?

Manny's actually playing hurt now(that should tell you all you need to know).

[Rasheed1]

What possible justification did TO have for going after Ray Lewis the way he did? I want to hear what other excuses you have for this guy, as you appear to be his lead apologist.

Actually, ray lewis started that one

[Real Men Wear Green]

How?

[Rasheed1]

Ray Lewis immediately began bad mouthing TO when Terrell decided against playing in Baltimore...When the disses were relayed to TO, he fired a few back..

thats not to say that TO hasnt done plenty of indefensible things...that just wasnt one of them...

The worst thing I can think of is when he went on Espn and claimed Lurie and Banner had no class because they didnt celebrate/recognize his 100th touchdown..

a couple reasons why

*you never go on national TV and put the boss on blast and then expect everything to be cool when you stroll into the Nova care facility..its just a bad idea

*you minimize your own achievements when you feel the need to complain about how no-one recognized them


I think TO's worst moments come when he sits in front of interviewers on Espn and starts running his mouth....He doesnt know how to check his own lip....the stuff he says from time to time is just straight up dumb..I think that fact and the fact that most people in the NFL are very thin skinned (including TO) makes controversy out of things that really need not be that way...

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't recall Lewis initiating any of the trash between him and Owens. I'll look it up later, but the feud was very one-sided from what i recall.

[Rasheed1]

[quote]No Time Out for T.O. at Training Camp

by Andy Schwartz
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[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I'm not sold on Philly being bad. They made the NFC Championship game 4 straight years with McNabb healthy and the Superbowl run was also made without TO.

I don't think McNabb was healthy for 2 of them seasons. Remember Feely came in during the end of the season and maybe for the first round of the Play-Offs. Maybe the 2nd round to??
My point is the Eagles Defense was most of the reason the Eagles were good that season McNabb went down. Man we had some nasty D's during that run. I remember the one season we let teams get loads of yards on us but come red-zone time, we were #1. I'm trying to remember that player we stopped 4 times on the goal-line. That was sweet. anyways the Eagles D is 70% more important than McNabb being healthy imo.

[Real Men Wear Green]

later that year when the two met...Lewis talked a little more trash, TO went out and mocked his celebration dance and then he took a couple shots at Ray after the game

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=3526

Now that I think back...TO caught an 81 yard touch-down in his first preseason game which happened to be against the ravens also..
Well, OK, he was justified there then. I stand corrected.
My point is the Eagles Defense was most of the reason the Eagles were good that season McNabb went down. Man we had some nasty D's during that run. I remember the one season we let teams get loads of yards on us but come red-zone time, we were #1. I'm trying to remember that player we stopped 4 times on the goal-line. That was sweet. anyways the Eagles D is 70% more important than McNabb being healthy imo.
Defense is half the game, and Philly was largely about good defense, so I wouldn't disagree with the overall d being more important than McNabb, but McNabb was and is 80% of the offense...the rest being Brian Westbrook.

[GOBB]

TO has been a distraction and this season the media is making sure that he fails and they show how he is a distraction. I think the media is to blame (not excusing TO) for this circus act we see. What other athlete gets opening news and talks on sportscenter at 6? TO did when he "aggrivated" his hammy. TO brings it on himself but at what point does the sports media take responsibilty and say "We're not gonna give TO a stage, mic and audience"? :confusedshrug:

TO is an attention whore who is getting the attention. So wouldnt the people giving the attention just stop? Its like a troll on the board spamming threads and kids here posting in EVERY SINGLE spammed topic. Why? Ignore them. Their purpose is to get your attention, draw a reaction and laugh at you respond. You take that away and they eventually get bored, move on or try to act with some type of common sense. Same with TO/media. Too much is being made of this. Steve Smith and Sinorice Rice had hammy problems all preseason. Dont practice either. Where is the microphone then? Eh

TO is to blame but the media is as well. Ehhhh, this is becoming a distraction because of the media circus developing already.

[MadeFromDust]

Learnt how to speel Aggravated diipshiite ^^

Anyways if TO keeps this up I bet JJ will eventually get rid of him. Mark my words!