This is why shaq is the most dominate player ever

[Im so nba'd out]

Please don't delete i am just so sick of people comparing dwight howard or any other center to him. http://youtube.com/watch?v=m5UBEqajUC8 :applause:

[Im so nba'd out]

Instead of listening to the stupid songs the video has i listens to shaq's very own song can't stop the reign which i would recommend you to listen to while watching this video.

[Human Error]

Instead of listening to the stupid songs the video has i listens to shaq's very own song can't stop the reign which i would recommend you to listen to while watching this video.
Shaq's best song is in my opinion "I Hate 2 Brag".

[DCL]

that power move on 7ft tall DPOY david robinson at 4:12 is just disgusting.

[Im so nba'd out]

that power move on 7ft tall DPOY david robinson at 4:12 is just disgusting.
i know this may have been the best mix i have ever seen. i found it a while ago but seeing other threads made me go look it up to show how dwight and yao are not even close!

[Scott Pippen]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m5UBEqajUC8 :applause:

:bowdown:

[It's A VC3!!!]

:applause: Good video

[Manute for Ever!]

Nice find. This was one of the related videos, pretty funny but may have been posted before http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWqPnEGzfK8

[VCMVP1551]

that power move on 7ft tall DPOY david robinson at 4:12 is just disgusting.

Damn....look at that footwork! Shaq showing David how to play in the low post.

[AItheAnswer3]

Shaq :bowdown:

[Psileas]

The video is good, the thread title sucks, because a video doesn't prove anything. I can also make a mix of Kobe making tough shots and add the title "that's why Kobe is the best scorer ever". Oh, and it's "most dominant", not "most dominate".

[rknine15]

his footwork and balance is amazing

good video

[Lebron23]

his footwork and balance is amazing

good video

and even with a much better training regimens this days.

I don't think there is anyone in the NBA that is dominant as Prime Shaq.

Video in HD

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m5UBEqajUC8&fmt=18

[plowking]

The video is good, the thread title sucks, because a video doesn't prove anything. I can also make a mix of Kobe making tough shots and add the title "that's why Kobe is the best scorer ever". Oh, and it's "most dominant", not "most dominate".

:cry:

Shaq>>>Wilt

[Manute for Ever!]

:cry:

Shaq>>>Wilt

Except for maybe two or three posters (and BULLS with his full season footage:D ), nobody here at ISH got to see prime Wilt play...

[plowking]

Except for maybe two or three posters (and BULLS with his full season footage:D ), nobody here at ISH got to see prime Wilt play...

I'm saying this because he always seems to bring Shaq down, and talk Wilt up when he has never seen one of his games, simply read stats, read articles, and opinions of Wilt by the players he played against. He seems to be able to come to the conclusion that Wilt was a far superior player then Shaq with just these things in mind.

[Vendetta]

First of all, most centers aren't nearly as coordinated as Shaq. When you top that off with the fact that he's one of the biggest (as in height + weight combination) players to ever play the game, that's why he was the most dominant.

Nobody has ever been that heavy, tall, strong & quick except him.

He would have absolutely destroyed the **** out of players back then.

Wilt may be the only guy that could have given him a run for his money.

[Manute for Ever!]

I'm saying this because he always seems to bring Shaq down, and talk Wilt up when he has never seen one of his games, simply read stats, read articles, and opinions of Wilt by the players he played against. He seems to be able to come to the conclusion that Wilt was a far superior player then Shaq with just these things in mind.

:cheers: Cool, I guess I shouldn't get in arguments that don't involve me

[Vendetta]

Also, one thing I forgot to mention is Shaq's ability to take the contact and still finish. I'm pretty sure he's absolutely #1 all time in this category.

You can foul a guy like Dwight and there's a 50/50 chance he's going to be able to finish through the contact.

You foul Shaq? Better make damn sure you're trying to rip him apart because if not he's going to dunk and take you with him.

[3stat2]

People forget that he could probably almost (or maybe even could) reach Dwight's sticker from the 07 dunk contest - even when he was a big fatass in LA. Just incredible, we really are blessed to have been able to witness such an astounding athlete in our lifetimes.

[Vendetta]

People forget that he could probably almost (or maybe even could) reach Dwight's sticker from the 07 dunk contest - even when he was a big fatass in LA. Just incredible, we really are blessed to have been able to witness such an astounding athlete in our lifetimes.

I wouldn't go that far because I'm pretty sure he's never been as good a leaper as Dwight.

But I'd rather have Shaq's overall physical abilities than Dwight's leaping abilities any day of the week.

[Manute for Ever!]

I wouldn't go that far because I'm pretty sure he's never been as good a leaper as Dwight.

But I'd rather have Shaq's overall physical abilities than Dwight's leaping abilities any day of the week.

Okay, so who do you think will play better with age, Shaq at 35 or Dwight at 35? Obviously it is just a guess, but who you got? I think Dwights prime will be nowhere near that of Shaq, but he will be servicable for a lot longer, IMO

[3stat2]

I wouldn't go that far because I'm pretty sure he's never been as good a leaper as Dwight.

But I'd rather have Shaq's overall physical abilities than Dwight's leaping abilities any day of the week.
I know - it didn't really occur to me either, but he used to get way up on some of his blocks. His crazily long arms and his decent vert means he gets his hand pretty high up there. Obviously he can't jump as high as Dwight, but his armspan and height allow him to reach pretty high.

[Psileas]

:cry: Shaq>>>Wilt

:cry:
Not even close.


I'm saying this because he always seems to bring Shaq down, and talk Wilt up when he has never seen one of his games, simply read stats, read articles, and opinions of Wilt by the players he played against. He seems to be able to come to the conclusion that Wilt was a far superior player then Shaq with just these things in mind.

I've seen plenty (and not just one) of Wilt's games-probably all his games available on market/internet-and considering that most of them, for his standards, are either average or not even average (and most of them involve periods out of his prime), I come to the conclusion that he was possibly the GOAT, at least individual player and overall more versatile than Shaq.
BTW, most people who have seen both Wilt and Shaq play agree with my views, not yours.

And it's funny
1) how you accuse me of doing certain things, like putting Wilt up and Shaq down, while you (and plenty of others) do exactly the opposite. Before blaiming someone for something, first check if you fall into the same category yourself.
2) it's pretty clear that you haven't seen Wilt play (and probably not the whole footage available of him, either), you surely didn't study very much about him and yet you come out with an opinion. Another lovable double standard...

[Vendetta]

Okay, so who do you think will play better with age, Shaq at 35 or Dwight at 35? Obviously it is just a guess, but who you got? I think Dwights prime will be nowhere near that of Shaq, but he will be servicable for a lot longer, IMO

I pretty much agree with you because Dwight doesn't carry nearly the amount of weight overall that Shaq does.

[Psileas]

BTW, I knew you couldn't refute the fact that a highlight video should never get childish captions, like "this video proves X is the GOAT", so you tried the next best solution.

[plowking]

:cry:
Not even close.



I've seen plenty (and not just one) of Wilt's games-probably all his games available on market/internet-and considering that most of them, for his standards, are either average or not even average (and most of them involve periods out of his prime), I come to the conclusion that he was possibly the GOAT, at least individual player and overall more versatile than Shaq.
BTW, most people who have seen both Wilt and Shaq play agree with my views, not yours.

And it's funny
1) how you accuse me of doing certain things, like putting Wilt up and Shaq down, while you (and plenty of others) do exactly the opposite. Before blaiming someone for something, first check if you fall into the same category yourself.
2) it's pretty clear that you haven't seen Wilt play (and probably not the whole footage available of him, either), you surely didn't study very much about him and yet you come out with an opinion. Another lovable double standard...


You always come up with new evidence. Last time I asked you how many Wilt games you had seen it was 4 or 5. Now it is plenty; though anything to prove your point right?

Most people that have seen both play agree with you? You're talking about the players that have played with Wilt and are now watching Shaq. Of course they are going to say that Wilt is better seing as they played with Wilt and want to make their era out as the most dominant.

If Wilt was soo dominant, why the lack of hardware to prove that he is the greatest? Every other player that is mentioned in the GOAT status has the hardware to back it up. Wilt played in an era with less teams, and that does not mean that there was more talent in each team. There was a huge talent drop off after the greats back when Wilt played. Yet Wilt, as the soo called GOAT, wasn't able to win that many championships, with fewer teams, a bigger talent drop off from the top players, and a weaker era of play.

[Jimmy2k8]

Yes, a Highlight video is going to convince me that he's the most dominant player ever.:rolleyes:

[DCL]

you earn the ultimate beast of beasts label when you can lift other players off the ground while dunking the sh!t out of the rim. that imagery is beyond demoralizing. you reduce their manhood to nonexistence. for many of us, we have seen shaq do that so many times with our own eyes but we never saw players before him do that from any footage. all we got are bar room stories of old guys saying, "nah, you ain't seen sh!t, son. when i was growing up, we had..." but fortunately, we live in the digital age, so when we get old too ourselves, we can just tell the kids to watch old film of what shaq was about.

[Psileas]

You always come up with new evidence. Last time I asked you how many Wilt games you had seen it was 4 or 5. Now it is plenty; though anything to prove your point right?

The number you mentioned is the number of Wilt games that are entirely available (or at least 95% of their length). There are some more games which are not available as a whole, but mostly certain quarters or halves.


Most people that have seen both play agree with you? You're talking about the players that have played with Wilt and are now watching Shaq. Of course they are going to say that Wilt is better seing as they played with Wilt and want to make their era out as the most dominant.

Not just players. Most oldies in various forums agree on the same thing. As for the era bias affecting their opinions, how is that any different than the bias that today's fans have for their own era?


If Wilt was soo dominant, why the lack of hardware to prove that he is the greatest? Every other player that is mentioned in the GOAT status has the hardware to back it up. Wilt played in an era with less teams, and that does not mean that there was more talent in each team. There was a huge talent drop off after the greats back when Wilt played. Yet Wilt, as the soo called GOAT, wasn't able to win that many championships, with fewer teams, a bigger talent drop off from the top players, and a weaker era of play.

Let's not get into this. Becuase I know very well that (apart from the fact that it's a simplified and 1-dimentional way to measure greatness) if I say that according to you, Russell was greater than Wilt and probably the GOAT, you'll get into the "he had many good teammates" argument. Wilt, for all his failures to win plenty of titles (and to repeat his regular seasons' production), was the best player in the vast majority of the series he was present. Plus, I've seen people mention Shaq as the best center of all time since 2000, when he didn't even have Wilt's titles. I've seen people mention Jordan as the GOAT player when he didn't surpass Wilt's titles. When Jordan reached Wilt's titles, none of the other GOAT candidates had less. When Shaq won the 2000 title, he was still the least accomplished (in rings) center among the GOAT candidates.
Bigger talent drop? It's ironic, because I've already shown that this supposed drop was not more significant compared to the drop of talent in other eras.

[vincentda]

Instead of listening to the stupid songs the video has i listens to shaq's very own song can't stop the reign which i would recommend you to listen to while watching this video.

Here's the most rare Shaq/Orlando footage and a bunch of his songs together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnyrKWvYdz4

[aj242]

that power move on 7ft tall DPOY david robinson at 4:12 is just disgusting.

This is the dunk I try to tell everybody about but they can't remember. People think of the All-Star game dunk over David but I was talking about this one.

If I remember correctly it's Duncan's rookie season during a regular season game. If not it's Duncan's 2nd season.

That is an all-time classic Shaq play that I'll never forget. I remember jumping off my couch when I saw it live.

Footwork, agility, & power. When Shaq retires that clip should be in the montage for reflection.

[Mateo]

way too much Heat in those highlights. Mostly that just reminds me that Shaq should have been one of the best defenders of his generation but he's really not even in the conversation.

[Mateo]

http://i21.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/f9/8e/8c68_1.JPG

[Lax4422Chik1342]

I deplore absolute statements in particular in sports. Every generation thinks the atheletes and artists of thir times are the best ever, it's a natural human instinct. I am a Shaq fan, he's in the top 5 centers fo' sho' but to say he is hee most dominant player ever? c'mon now, get your feet back on the ground, What's the criteria you base your remark on?

Wilt hd the NBA change rules because of him, they widened the lane and changed to free throw rule. Louis Alcindor nee Kareem forced the NCAA to ban dunking Russell's team won 13 of 15 championships, 11 of 13 in the NBA, that's dominance, yet I wouldn't say any of them or anyone else is theee MOST dominate player.

[Vendetta]

Wilt hd the NBA change rules because of him

Shaq didn't?

[Lax4422Chik1342]

Shaq didn't?

Which rule was changed because of Shaquille O'Neal????

[Loki]

Which rule was changed because of Shaquille O'Neal????

Whether they admit it or not, one of the major reasons for instituting the zone was to curtail Shaq's dominance.

[JtotheIzzo]

Which rule was changed because of Shaquille O'Neal????

ZONE DEFENSES

and they started over calling charges on backdowns in the post.

not to mention the hack a Shaq rule (last two minutes or whatever). You may think that this makes Shaq look bad, on the contrary, he was so DOMINANT it was better to put him on the line as a ~%50 free throw shooter. So essentially the other team is saying, it is better you shoot %50 than to have Shaq come down and have his way.

[Im so nba'd out]

ZONE DEFENSES

and they started over calling charges on backdowns in the post.

not to mention the hack a Shaq rule (last two minutes or whatever). You may think that this makes Shaq look bad, on the contrary, he was so DOMINANT it was better to put him on the line as a ~%50 free throw shooter. So essentially the other team is saying, it is better you shoot %50 than to have Shaq come down and maybe get the ball.
i changed just the stuff that is underlined but other then that :cheers: :applause:

[iggy>]

offensive fouls

[jn2rons]

MEHH....

I'll still roll wit Wilt.
Atletic Freak + Endurance for days + Fade away off the glass?? :eek:

Plus 6:25 mark below
GTF Outta here with that hook shot...2x (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1qffrYDSgJU)

[Jimmy2k8]

http://i21.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/f9/8e/8c68_1.JPG


Not even close to being funny.

[Lebron23]

To the person that said that Shaq played againts weaker competition just check his stats againts some of the best PF/C in the History of the NBA.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1992/1130_large.jpg


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=onealsh01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Hakeem Olajuwon


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=duncati01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Tim Duncan


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=ewingpa01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Patrick Ewing


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=garneke01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Kevin Garnett


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=malonka01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Karl Malone


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=robinda01


Shaquille O'Neal vs. David Robinson

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=webbech01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Chris Webber


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=barklch01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Charles Barkley


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=mournal01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Alonzo Mourning


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=nowitdi01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Dirk Nowitzki


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=mutomdi01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Dikembe Mutombo


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=smitsri01


Shaquille O'Neal vs. Rik Smits


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=parisro01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Robert Parish

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=wallabe01


Shaquille O'Neal vs. Ben Wallace


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=kempsh01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Shawn Kemp


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=stoudam01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Amare Stoudemire


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=mingya01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Yao Ming

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=onealje01


Shaquille O'Neal vs. Jermaine O'Neal


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=brandel01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Elton Brand


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=cambyma01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Marcus Camby


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=howardw01

Shaquille O'Neal vs. Dwight Howard

[Lebron23]

The number you mentioned is the number of Wilt games that are entirely available (or at least 95% of their length). There are some more games which are not available as a whole, but mostly certain quarters or halves.



Not just players. Most oldies in various forums agree on the same thing. As for the era bias affecting their opinions, how is that any different than the bias that today's fans have for their own era?



Let's not get into this. Becuase I know very well that (apart from the fact that it's a simplified and 1-dimentional way to measure greatness) if I say that according to you, Russell was greater than Wilt and probably the GOAT, you'll get into the "he had many good teammates" argument. Wilt, for all his failures to win plenty of titles (and to repeat his regular seasons' production), was the best player in the vast majority of the series he was present. Plus, I've seen people mention Shaq as the best center of all time since 2000, when he didn't even have Wilt's titles. I've seen people mention Jordan as the GOAT player when he didn't surpass Wilt's titles. When Jordan reached Wilt's titles, none of the other GOAT candidates had less. When Shaq won the 2000 title, he was still the least accomplished (in rings) center among the GOAT candidates.
Bigger talent drop? It's ironic, because I've already shown that this supposed drop was not more significant compared to the drop of talent in other eras.


How old are you? If you are in your mid 50's I would believe that you have seen Wilt Chamberlain played during his prime, and you also witnessed how Chamberlain scored 100 points againts the New York Knickerbockers.

Shaq was also the best player of the Los Angeles Lakers in their championship run in the early part of this decade, and many people here will agree that Shaq is the most dominant player of all time because the only way you can stop the Big Aristotle from scoring is by giving him a Hack a Shaq treatment.


I respect Wilt Chamberlain and the other players from the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's, but let us be realistic I think Shaq face a much superior competition than Wilt Chamberlain, and if you see the head to head matchup Shaq always came on top againts some of the best big men in his generation.

Quality ( Better Competition) > Quantity ( Inflated Stats in the 1960's)

[TBurge]

The funny thing about Shaq is that he could've been so much better. Can you imagine Rick Barry teaching Shaq how to shoot a damn free throw?

[Im so nba'd out]

Never Forget http://i.imgur.com/oiyBxtA.gif dominant

[Marchesk]

Shaq wasn't as statistically dominant as Wilt was, with the notable exception being in the finals for the Lakers three-peat.

Wilt's rebounding and shot blocking > Shaq's, and that's not up for debate. Shaq also only led the league in scoring twice, and it was never over 30.

Shaq does have the higher FG% on Wilt, but when Wilt stopped volume scoring, his FG% went up, and he owns the record.

You can put Wilt's 24/24/8 on 68% up against any other other GOAT peak, where his team won 68 games, ended the Celtic's 8-peat dynasty in 5 games, and won the title.

[ZMonkey11]

Thought I was watching Andre Drummond highlights. Shaq was definitely the man!