Brandon Jennings to sign with a European Team

[ShowTime LA]

Arizona signee Brandon Jennings has decided to make an unprecedented move to forgo playing in college and instead pursue a professional career in Europe next season before likely entering the 2009 NBA draft, Jenning's attorney, Jeff Valle, told ESPN.com on Tuesday night.

"Over the course of the last two months I have consulted a number of people in basketball before coming to this decision," Jennings said in a statement released through Valle. "I would like to thank the University of Arizona for their interest and support through this process."

Jennings, a Los Angeles native who played his final two high school seasons at Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Va., was rated as the nation's top point guard in the class of 2008, according to ESPN.com.

Valle said Jennings will not even wait for his third standardized test result to see if he got a qualifying score after his second test was questioned by the NCAA. The results from the third test are due later this week.

"That's a moot point now," Valle said. "He's not going to the University of Arizona. Brandon plans on going to Europe."

Valle said a number of European teams have expressed an interest in signing Jennings for next season. Valle declined to say which teams and in which countries.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3479195
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[RandomBalla55]

I thought his scores were supposed to come?

July 5th I think they were mailed out..

[statman32]

http://www.goazcatsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/brandon_jennings014bw.jpg

Have fun sitting the bench in Europe getting no pub during the season instead of playing for Point Guard U and being all over ESPN. :mad:

[Lebron23]

I hope he will not end up as the next Roro Ukic. :banana:

[FULL CLIP]

:oldlol:

Finally something funny that's not clipper related.

[statman32]

I hope he will not end up as the next Roro Ukic. :banana:
I hope he ends up playing in Europe for the next 15 years. :mad:

[baseketball4life]

dudes retarded


thats all i have to say

[jbot]

eh, i'm probably the only one that wishes him luck. would he have been better off attending a smaller school or going pro overseas?

[statman32]

eh, i'm probably the only one that wishes him luck. would he have been better off attending a smaller school or going pro overseas?
Test results werent back yet. He would have been able to go to UofA if he passed where he would have got tons of pub.

[Valliant13]

So instead of playing for free, and having to do a year of collage that he has no interest in...he decided to earn a ton of money and play against a higher level of competition: what is wrong with that? I would be very surprised a this didn't become a trend. Where is the benefit of of one year of being a pretend student, and making a school millions of dollars that you never see a dime of?

Statman: Why are upset about where some highschool kid decides to play ball? It's his life...why give him grief about making a choice that doesn't affect anyone else?

[bdreason]

Smart move as long as he doesn't sell his rights for more than 1 year.

[Burgz]

what other choice is there for him, if test results too low, there is absolutely no way he can play for a D1 school w/o bending the rules. The guy wants to play, so let him play.

[FULL CLIP]

So instead of playing for free, and having to do a year of collage that he has no interest in...he decided to earn a ton of money and play against a higher level of competition: what is wrong with that? I would be very surprised a this didn't become a trend. Where is the benefit of of one year of being a pretend student, and making a school millions of dollars that you never see a dime of?

Statman: Why are upset about where some highschool kid decides to play ball? It's his life...why give him grief about making a choice that doesn't affect anyone else?

I could see that happening.

[baseketball4life]

Hallelujah. Finally a smart player. Would rather see a player test himself overseas, earn some money, earn experience, and then make it big in the NBA.

Won't be long before the NCAA is just scrubs that couldn't make it professionally.
LMAO

this will never happen... do you get an education in europe? didn't think so

[Silverbullit]

LMAO

this will never happen... do you get an education in europe? didn't think so

Why not?

[baseketball4life]

Why not?
did you read the rest of the post?

you can't get an education, you miss out on college life, college tradition, I think Jennings is a rare case which is going to go bad. When kids are playing high school ball and growing up they dream of being a North Carolina Tar Heel or a Duke Blue Devil, not some random European team

[ScottStuart]

wow.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

he's going also to be coached much better than in Arizona, no because of better personnel but because he will be a pro, so there will be no time limit to the time dedicated to him.
And don't underrate what a year abroad can do to his maturity.

I'm not sure 1 year is long enough, though, how much will the team really invest on him?

Btw, imo sooner or later you'll have guys crossing the ocean when they're like 15 or 16, ala Tiago Splitter, signing contracts with NBA escape when they're like 19 or 20.
The American system will find some serious competion, in the future.

[sixerfan3511]

he's an idiot

[chains5000]

LMAO

this will never happen... do you get an education in europe? didn't think so
Do you think college players care about their education? don't think so
Smart move by him, this's going to be common in a few years.

[Lebron23]

he's an idiot


http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/kevin_armstrong/05/23/brandon.jennings/p1_jennings.jpg

Wow :sleeping

Jennings is the most explosive scorer in HS, and he is going to be a taller version of Allen Iverson.

Averages: 35.5 ppg

Brandon Jennings Highlights

Brandon Jennings 63 points: Breaks Oak Hill Record.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBNUPjKi8XA&fmt=18

Brandon Jennings Goes Off for 46 Points/12 Assists/7 Steals ( One of the best HS performance of all time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gOVtT7nkPo&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw&fmt=18

2008 Jordan Classic

Video Highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpqtynQOAM&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWX0ufGTHtE&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hk7ktKRT-U&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQBwt-S9ymE&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bJiWbVn_9k&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lugMQekuGpk&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeeoFwv-Ctg&feature=related&fmt=18

Awards and Recognition

2005 Press Telegram Freshmen Player of the Year

Named the Most Valuable Player of the 2006 Les Schwab Invitational Tournament

Co-MVP of the 2006 Elite 24 Hoops Classic

Co-MVP of the 2007 Elite 24 Hoops Classic

2007 Las Vegas Easter Classic Most Valuable Player

2007 NBAPS Top 100 High School Camp Best Playmaker

2007 The Goazcats.com Showdown Most Valuable Player

2008 Naismith Male Player of the year

2007-08 Gatorade Player of the year Virginia

2008 Parade Magazine Player of the Year

2008 EA SPORTS National Player of the Year

2007-08 MaxPreps National Player of the Year

2008 Jordan Brand Classic Most Valuable Player for the East

No.1 rated Senior by ESPN (2008)
No.1 rated Senior by Van Coleman Hoopmaster (2008)
No.1 rated Senior by Clark Franics Hoopscoop (2007 and 2008)
No.1 rated senior by Dave Telep Scout.com 2008

[brandonislegend]

wish him the best, sucks he couldnt pass the test, he will still be in the NBA no question about it.

[joma11]

did you read the rest of the post?

you can't get an education, you miss out on college life, college tradition, I think Jennings is a rare case which is going to go bad. When kids are playing high school ball and growing up they dream of being a North Carolina Tar Heel or a Duke Blue Devil, not some random European team
Couldn't LBJ get education? He also missed college life.

[YAH trick YAH]

So instead of playing for free, and having to do a year of collage that he has no interest in...he decided to earn a ton of money and play against a higher level of competition: what is wrong with that? I would be very surprised a this didn't become a trend. Where is the benefit of of one year of being a pretend student, and making a school millions of dollars that you never see a dime of?


Because Jennings is NOT that good. Hes not a Drose, Beasley, Oden type of player. He wont make that big of an impact for these teams. I doubt he would have even been on Bayless' level at Arizona. Hes still a GOOD player, but hes not THAT good. He would have made an impact in college, but i dont think that much. Yeah he'll make some money, but if he wants that, go to USC. He'd make more that way. And this wont become a trend because Jennings will flop, or end up not even going, and other players will see its a bad idea.

Who cares if hes going to be a pretend student. Hell go for a year in AZ, get some hot girls thrown at you, booze, go to the clubs, be the main man on campus. European people dont care about some kid from the States that rides the bench, but at AZ hes a star.

[baseketball4life]

Couldn't LBJ get education? He also missed college life.
he went to the NBA not Europe! 2 whole different ball games

[baseketball4life]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/kevin_armstrong/05/23/brandon.jennings/p1_jennings.jpg

Wow :sleeping

Jennings is the most explosive scorer in HS, and he is going to be a taller version of Allen Iverson.

Averages: 35.5 ppg

Brandon Jennings Highlights

Brandon Jennings 63 points: Breaks Oak Hill Record.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBNUPjKi8XA

Brandon Jennings Goes Off for 46 Points/12 Assists/7 Steals ( One of the best HS performance of all time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gOVtT7nkPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw

2008 Jordan Classic

Video Highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpqtynQOAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWX0ufGTHtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hk7ktKRT-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQBwt-S9ymE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bJiWbVn_9k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lugMQekuGpk

Awards and Recognition

2005 Press Telegram Freshmen Player of the Year

Named the Most Valuable Player of the 2006 Les Schwab Invitational Tournament

Co-MVP of the 2006 Elite 24 Hoops Classic

Co-MVP of the 2007 Elite 24 Hoops Classic

2007 Las Vegas Easter Classic Most Valuable Player

2007 NBAPS Top 100 High School Camp Best Playmaker

2007 The Goazcats.com Showdown Most Valuable Player

2008 Naismith Male Player of the year

2007-08 Gatorade Player of the year Virginia

2008 Parade Magazine Player of the Year

2008 EA SPORTS National Player of the Year

2007-08 MaxPreps National Player of the Year

2008 Jordan Brand Classic Most Valuable Player for the East

No.1 rated Senior by ESPN (2008)
No.1 rated Senior by Van Coleman Hoopmaster (2008)
No.1 rated Senior by Clark Franics Hoopscoop (2007 and 2008)
No.1 rated senior by Dave Telep Scout.com 2008
we all know the kid can ball

he's just a little dumb up in the brain, just look at his test scores

[chains5000]

Who cares if hes going to be a pretend student. Hell go for a year in AZ, get some hot girls thrown at you, booze, go to the clubs, be the main man on campus. European people dont care about some kid from the States that rides the bench, but at AZ hes a star.
He won't ride the bench, if anybody is signing him it is to play.

I don't know we don't have hot girls or clubs in Europe, where the hell have I been living all my life?

[Lebron23]

I would love to see Brandon Jennings vs. Ricky Rubio in the Euroleague.

[YAH trick YAH]

He won't ride the bench, if anybody is signing him it is to play.

I don't know we don't have hot girls or clubs in Europe, where the hell have I been living all my life?

Well then that means the competition won't be as good. Of course there are clubs and all that in Europe, but they aren't gonna know who the kid is. They are gonna see some tatted up fool with a ****ed up haircut. At a college though, hes KING.

[R.I.P.]

He won't ride the bench, if anybody is signing him it is to play.

I don't know we don't have hot girls or clubs in Europe, where the hell have I been living all my life?

Under a rock, cause another guy said you can get no education here. :roll: :roll:

[High Potential]

Isn't it like soccer though? Won't he need to apply for an EU work permit before he goes over there? Otherwise he'll have to play in a non-EU country, and for soccer atleast it takes forever for young American players to get EU work permits.

[Silverbullit]

Under a rock, cause another guy said you can get no education here. :roll: :roll:

Europeans are stupid, uneducated people who don't know how to live well. :hammerhead:

[chains5000]

Well then that means the competition won't be as good. Of course there are clubs and all that in Europe, but they aren't gonna know who the kid is. They are gonna see some tatted up fool with a ****ed up haircut. At a college though, hes KING.
There's a limit for foreign players in most leagues, so believe when I say he's gonna play, nobody's gonna waste a spot.
I doubt he's gonna sign for a 2nd tier league too.

[chains5000]

http://static.flickr.com/66/155692406_33b178d8ab_o.jpg
Don't skip university kids! Makes you smarter.

[wang4three]

Hallelujah. Finally a smart player. Would rather see a player test himself overseas, earn some money, earn experience, and then make it big in the NBA.

Won't be long before the NCAA is just scrubs that couldn't make it professionally.

Yeah, like he'll start immediately when he goes overseas. He forgets that he's just a kid over there. No matter how good he is, he isn't polished enough for the European game.

[2LeTTeRS]

I hope he ends up playing in Europe for the next 15 years. :mad:


did you read the rest of the post?

you can't get an education, you miss out on college life, college tradition, I think Jennings is a rare case which is going to go bad. When kids are playing high school ball and growing up they dream of being a North Carolina Tar Heel or a Duke Blue Devil, not some random European team


Yeah, like he'll start immediately when he goes overseas. He forgets that he's just a kid over there. No matter how good he is, he isn't polished enough for the European game.

These comment and comments like it just make you seem like salty college fans who want to save their game so bad you wish harm on an 18 year old kid. Thats crazy to me, anybody whose gone to college knows its not meant for everybody, and almost all of us if given the chancefor somebody with the chance to make millions our of high school instead of going to college and making those same millions later most of us would have taken the first option. This kid didn't immediately he wanted to go to Europe, he failed the test the 1st time but on his seond time he passed but it was marked b/c the difference in his score was so high people thought he must have cheated.

Thats crazy, he was penalized for actually studying for a test and improving. So in the face of that he made a plan B for himself, and in the midst of ESPN and everybody in his circle waiting for his test scores to come back he seems to have caved in to the pressure and decided to go ahead with that plan so he wouldn't be shamed if he failed. Would you really want to be knows as not being smart enough to play D1 ball. Neither would I, so with that said how can you be mad at him for that?

I honestly think the people to blame is the NBA. Up until 2 years ago a kid in this situation had the option to make himself eligible for the draft, but the NBA took that away from them because too many GMs couldn't scout and were making bad decisions on draft picks. Well looking at the 2 recent drafts I still see the same mistakes being repeated, so obviously that wasn't the players fault.

Now with the new rules not only can he not go to the NBA, but from what I understand he can't even go to the D League. Whats the point of even have a Develepemental League if kids fresh out of high school who can't/don't want to go to college can't go their and learn NBA style ball while playing in the states. The D-League would be an ideal spot for kids in this situation, allowing them to play with adults with more experience than them but without the culture shock. David Stern needs to fix this, but he won't, he's too busy kissing up to the NCAA and trying to expand his partnership with them to acutally fix the problems his rules have created.

[Interminator]

Hallelujah. Finally a smart player. Would rather see a player test himself overseas, earn some money, earn experience, and then make it big in the NBA.

Won't be long before the NCAA is just scrubs that couldn't make it professionally.
Hes not going to gain experience,you dont learn the ****ing European style of basketball in just 1 year.

Where the **** do you think the young players in Europe come from?

They are trained in the academies and trained the European style of basketball for years.

Jennings' failure in Europe will teach players not to go to Europe.

[Interminator]

These comment and comments like it just make you seem like salty college fans who want to save their game so bad you wish harm on an 18 year old kid. Thats crazy to me, anybody whose gone to college knows its not meant for everybody, and almost all of us if given the chancefor somebody with the chance to make millions our of high school instead of going to college and making those same millions later most of us would have taken the first option. This kid didn't immediately he wanted to go to Europe, he failed the test the 1st time but on his seond time he passed but it was marked b/c the difference in his score was so high people thought he must have cheated.
I wish harm on Chris Wallace,& Brian Cardinal.
Of course college isn't mean for anybody but in order to achieve anything in America outside of working minimum wage jobs you have to and this includes professional sports,you see profession.

Of course everyone would want to make millions out of high school but this isn't comparable to anything most of us "average" people were offered.


Thats crazy, he was penalized for actually studying for a test and improving. So in the face of that he made a plan B for himself, and in the midst of ESPN and everybody in his circle waiting for his test scores to come back he seems to have caved in to the pressure and decided to go ahead with that plan so he wouldn't be shamed if he failed. Would you really want to be knows as not being smart enough to play D1 ball. Neither would I, so with that said how can you be mad at him for that?
He was penalized because of all the athletes,& people in general who cheated on their tests just to get out of HS.Your grade jumping high between your 1st and 2nd test is a cause for concern so all he had to do was to take it again to see what he puts up the next time.

Even if he was ruled as not being smart enough there have been plenty players who are dumb as bricks and if he cares what a few overweight losers on message boards say about his intelligence then **** him,he could've gone to a NAIA school or a Prep School or Community College.






I honestly think the people to blame is the NBA. Up until 2 years ago a kid in this situation had the option to make himself eligible for the draft, but the NBA took that away from them because too many GMs couldn't scout and were making bad decisions on draft picks. Well looking at the 2 recent drafts I still see the same mistakes being repeated, so obviously that wasn't the players fault.

Now with the new rules not only can he not go to the NBA, but from what I understand he can't even go to the D League. Whats the point of even have a Develepemental League if kids fresh out of high school who can't/don't want to go to college can't go their and learn NBA style ball while playing in the states. The D-League would be an ideal spot for kids in this situation, allowing them to play with adults with more experience than them but without the culture shock. David Stern needs to fix this, but he won't, he's too busy kissing up to the NCAA and trying to expand his partnership with them to acutally fix the problems his rules have created.
What has been proven wrong with the last 2 Drafts that hasnt been proven by the last 50 or so NBA Drafts?
Some teams get lucky and some teams don't.:confusedshrug:

Brandon Jennings can go to the NBDL that has been proven.The only problems with going to the NBDL for a lot of HS players is because they will become targets for the veterans who are busting their ass to get back in the NBA and there are plenty of those in the NBDL.Another reason why going to the NBDL isn't a good idea is due to the unguranteed contract,NBDL players don't make a lot of money and their contracts aren't guranteed so if a player gets hurt or struggles he will be cut.
There isn't much exposure in the NBDL either compared to college basketball,is making $75,000 playing in front of 20 fans in Idaho better than playing in front of 15,000 fans and your name being mentioned all over television?:confusedshrug:

[Interminator]

Not like they want book smarts... They only see one thing, and that is $$$. If they're not interested in education, why go? Brandon is the future. He will be to European ball after college like what Kemp was to high school players.

This experience will change him for the better. This guy is going to join the NBA with a lot of hunger and incredible skills compared to college players.
You're full of ****.:wtf:

Brandon is not that dominate of a player and the players in Europe are polished veterans in the European Game.

Take Brandon's dick out of your ear.

[boozehound]

Test results werent back yet. He would have been able to go to UofA if he passed where he would have got tons of pub.
well, maybe he already knew he didnt do well enough. you said they were mailed july 5th and here it is the 9th so maybe he does know.

[Lebron23]

You're full of ****.:wtf:

Brandon is not that dominate of a player and the players in Europe are polished veterans in the European Game.

Take Brandon's dick out of your ear.


You also said that Deandre Jordan is a top 5 picks in the 2008 NBA Draft. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[lilojmayo]

Jennings because of Jennings Talent i dont think it will hurt him but anything is possible ask OJ Mayo who will be a mega star OJ will the Consensus #1 from 7th-12grade then when one player had a better run than him in the NCAA Tournament Derrick Rose he gets #1 pick so think about Jennings but it doesnt Matter Jennings is a 6'1 MegaStar

[statman32]

These comment and comments like it just make you seem like salty college fans
Yes. Salty Arizona fan who was looking forward to him play at Point Guard U. It was all a overreaction though. He would have made Arizona better and I dont think its a better business decision long term but it will be interesting to see how he does overseas.

Boozehound: They pushed back the date when the results were going to be released. It was probably red flagged again automatically b/c of what happened the 2nd time. It will be interesting to see if he got a high enough score to go to UofA though.

[Lebron23]

You really want to defend my statement with bringing up some **** from December you LBJ dickriding loser.


I am just saying that think before you posts because Jennings is ranked as one of the best player in his draft class.

and the Europeans might be a polished Basketball players, but you also forget that the 2008 Euroleague Final 4 MVP is an American. Yeah, Trajan Langdon won the Final 4 MVP after scoring 21 points as the CSKA Moscow beat Maccabi Tel Aviv 91-77 in the Championship Game.

Brandon Jennings have a higher ceiling than Trajan Langdon, and i can see him learning from his veteran teammates in the Euroleague.

Stop being an @sshole, and please don't insult genchiba.

[Interminator]

I am just saying that think before you posts because Jennings is ranked as one of the best player in his draft class.

and the Europeans might be a polished Basketball players, but you also forgot that the 2004 Euroleague Final 4 MVP is an American. Yeah, Trajan Langdon won the Final 4 MVP after scoring 21 points as the CSKA Moscow beat Maccabi Tel Aviv 91-77 in the Championship Game.

Brandon Jennings have a higher ceiling than Trajan Langdon, and i can see him learning from his veteran teammates in the Euroleague.

Stop being an @sshole, and please don't insult genchiba.
What type of logic is that?

Ceiling and talent are 2 different things and by you bringing up that DeAndre Jordan thread that is a clear example because Jordan was ranked around the top 5 on most Mock Drafts up until the end of the season then he gets drafted at #35.:confusedshrug:
That's because he can't do anything but run and dunk compared to Lopez,& Hibbert who actually can do more.

Because Jennings has a higher ceiling than Langdon doesn't mean he is or will be better than Langdon,Langdon did 4 years of college,played 3 years in the NBA,and has played 5 or 6 years in Europe because he was intelligent enough basketballwise to understand the game and to adapt to his role.

If Jennings really wanted to set himself up better for a career in the NBA he should've gone to college for 4 years and gained crucial basketball knowledge,worked on his game,and then be ready for the NBA.

But that's in a dream world because he probably wouldn't have been able to stay academically eligible after 1 season,and he seems too lazy to work on his game & grades compared to his want to earn money.

Anybody who believes that going to college is somehow not as good as making money out of HS please do everyone here a favor and actually talk with the countless soldiers who are coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq without any education past HS but have earned more money than their counterparts in college.Sadly the money earned will only be short term compared to what an advanced education gives you in the longterm.

[Interminator]

On some real talk there are too many young people with Jennings' mentality and I know plenty who've come from poverty and the only thing they think about when they think about the future is being rich yet they don't know the proper way to get rich outside of what they see everyone else do.

These young people with the same aspirations and dreams for becoming rich are the same young people who take up space in the cemetaries and the Prisons.Being rich is overvalued and it's the only word that is almost ever used compared to what the real important thing and that is to be wealthy.

What is Brandon Jennings' purpose in life if he couldn't play basketball anymore?

[Lebron23]

Brandon isn't going to pursue a degree in College after he got drafted in the NBA. The only thing that he will do is concentrate in improving his overall game, and learn how to spend his money in a right way instead of wasting his $$$ in some useless things.

Education is important for guys, who aren't going to make it in the NBA because they aren't going to get some contract from NBA team Owners. and nobody will give them some endorsement, when they are working in their office 24/7.

By the way that is his own personal decisions, and we shouldn't judge him because maybe he knows that it's the right thing to do knowing that he failed academically in HS.

He is a very talented prospect, and i am sure he can dominate in Europe, and maybe gain some recognition as the first 18 yrs.old American to make an impact in the Euroleague.

After one year of International experience he will return in the states, and Jennings is going to be a top 5 picks in the 2009 NBA Draft.

[boozehound]

Boozehound: They pushed back the date when the results were going to be released. It was probably red flagged again automatically b/c of what happened the 2nd time. It will be interesting to see if he got a high enough score to go to UofA though.
gottcha. thanks stat

[BlazersDozen]

I was wondering when the Hell a guy would do this. I think it's a no brainer! You go overseas and play in a league thats tougher than the NCAA. You don't have to "pretend" that you want to be in college and you're making money instead of struggling and eating rice and noodles for a year.

Sure he won't get hype for most American fans so nobody will know who he is until a couple months before the draft, but this won't effect his stock in the draft at all. Danilo Gallinari just got draft 6th overall and he was playing in Europe. Scouts cover all their bases and know this kid already from High School and the McDonald's High School All-American Game.

[Interminator]

Brandon isn't going to pursue a degree in College after he got drafted in the NBA. The only thing that he will do is concentrate in improving his overall game, and learn how to spend his money in a right way instead of wasting his $$$ in some useless things.
You really hope that guys like him learn how to spend their money but very few times it happens,he likes money and has "young money" tattoeed on his back.Im sure he's going to spend a lot of his money before he actually gets it which is what gets a lot of athletes who spend it before they get it and the interest rate on their debts get them until its paid for after years and with advice from family members or agents he's going to put a lot of it into stocks and watch as it fluctuates.
There's no gurantee he'll become a star and theres no gurantee he's going to get a huge sneaker deal.



Education is important for guys, who aren't going to make it in the NBA because they aren't going to get some contract from NBA team Owners. and nobody will give them some endorsement, when they are working in their office 24/7.

By the way that is his own personal decisions, and we shouldn't judge him because maybe he knows that it's the right thing to do knowing that he failed academically in HS.
Education should be important for any player no matter how good they are.


He is a very talented prospect, and i am sure he can dominate in the Europe, and maybe gain some recognition as the first 18 yrs.old American to make an impact in the Euroleague.
If he goes to a top level Euroleague team and does that it will ruin the Euroleagues reputation throughout Europe and in America just like it would if the opposite happened like a top European prospect like Nicolas Batum came to the NBA and dominated.:confusedshrug:

[Interminator]

I was wondering when the Hell a guy would do this. I think it's a no brainer! You go overseas and play in a league thats tougher than the NCAA. You don't have to "pretend" that you want to be in college and you're making money instead of struggling and eating rice and noodles for a year.

Sure he won't get hype for most American fans so nobody will know who he is until a couple months before the draft, but this won't effect his stock in the draft at all. Danilo Gallinari just got draft 6th overall and he was playing in Europe. Scouts cover all their bases and know this kid already from High School and the McDonald's High School All-American Game.
You seriously believe that Benetton Treviso had scouts scouting Brandon Jennings in HS?
:roll::roll::roll:

[C.L.W. "DatDude"]

Lebron23 dick rides every player that receives a little hype.. I bet he spends countless hours on youtube watching there vids of them killing hs kids comparing them to Jordan and Iverson...LMAO! :oldlol:

[BlazersDozen]

You seriously believe that Benetton Treviso had scouts scouting Brandon Jennings in HS?
:roll::roll::roll:

I was talking about NBA scouts :applause:


:banghead: :hammerhead: :milton:

[Interminator]

I was talking about NBA scouts :applause:


:banghead: :hammerhead: :milton:
True.

They scouted him and realized he can't play effectively in a structured offense.

[statman32]

True.

They scouted him and realized he can't play effectively in a structured offense.
O rly? Link?

[wang4three]

These comment and comments like it just make you seem like salty college fans who want to save their game so bad you wish harm on an 18 year old kid.

At what point did I wish harm? At what point did I wish him negatively? Did you even read what I wrote? Did you even consider it's authenticity? Your comment seems like a guy who likes to generalize and stereotype people. Have you seen Brandon Jennings play? He's very talented but his style is not the type of play you get away with in Europe. It's very urban and very off the cuff. It's not structured. If anything I'm acknowledging that Europe is much harder and more difficult than College. If you want me to spell it for you any further cause you lack the comprehension skills to infer something that simplistic, then I'll gladly help.

It's simple. In college he'll be on national television for NBA teams (LOCATED IN NORTH AMERICA) to see on a regular basis against cats far worse than him and more likely than not make him appear better and ready for the NBA. Alternatively, playing in Europe where they have a distinct style (that's proven to be very different than the US per the Olympics/Fiba) in which he'll have to adjust. He's not guarantee to start every game like he is in the US. He's not gauranteed to have a coach that'll give him the green light.


Thats crazy to me, anybody whose gone to college knows its not meant for everybody,
Never said it was. Not once have I endorsed the 19 year old age limit. If a kid wants to go pro, let him. If a team wants to bank their hopes on a high school kid (which has a very low success rate), let them do it. I've always, always said that these rules protect the NBA more than help college. Basically Stern was tired of seeing players being drafted on potential and it took away the excitement of having a rookie class when rarely any of them are ready to contribute. It hurts colleges because they're just shooting for one and done players so they can get national recognition in the short term and not focusing on what college does---building and developing young people.

That's what I've said from day 1. That's what I fight for. That's what I believe. College isn't for everyone. I've said that more times than you've talked out of your ass and make dumb generalizations.


and almost all of us if given the chancefor somebody with the chance to make millions our of high school instead of going to college and making those same millions later most of us would have taken the first option. This kid didn't immediately he wanted to go to Europe, he failed the test the 1st time but on his seond time he passed but it was marked b/c the difference in his score was so high people thought he must have cheated.

Thats crazy, he was penalized for actually studying for a test and improving. So in the face of that he made a plan B for himself, and in the midst of ESPN and everybody in his circle waiting for his test scores to come back he seems to have caved in to the pressure and decided to go ahead with that plan so he wouldn't be shamed if he failed. Would you really want to be knows as not being smart enough to play D1 ball. Neither would I, so with that said how can you be mad at him for that?

Keep rambling, buddy. Nothing you are implicating has to do what whatever I wrote about. You generalizing me as an " angry college fan." I ain't mad. I ain't frustrated. I'm just pointing out the realities he's facing.


I honestly think the people to blame is the NBA.

Why do we have to blame anyone? Why do we have to point fingers? He's fully conscious of what he's doing and he's making his decisions. He's acting his best interest as the NBA is acting in theirs. If they don't coincide, then you have to resolve. That's what's happening. It's not anyone's fault. They're doing what's best for their respective entity. It's not the NBA's priority to protect anything but their business. Just like it's not Brandon Jennings' priority to protect anyone but himself.


David Stern needs to fix this, but he won't, he's too busy kissing up to the NCAA and trying to expand his partnership with them to acutally fix the problems his rules have created.

1. There's no way to accommodate everything and everyone. Anyone who's been in the real world long enough that it's not possible. Anyone who's been in the real world long enough knows that there will be exceptions and be slips of people that are being done improperly. Maybe Jennings is ready for the NBA. Odds are, he's not. As evident of Gerald Green. As evident of Ndudi Ebi. As evident of James Lang. I can go on if you want. David Stern acted in what he felt was to protect his business. He couldn't give a DAMN about the NCAA. That's just an easy "feel-good" thing guys like you and assorted college fans feel is happening. That's a Captain Obvious type of remark and you actually bought into it. The truth, UNDERLYING truth, is that the David Stern is helping the NBA. He's protecting it. He's not pro-actively helping college basketball.

2. I love college ball. I don't love the NCAA. It has holes and practices that are shady and improper, in my opinion. But to think this i19 year rule is helping college ball is wrong. It's making the college ball a circus. It creates unfair disparities and promotes the wrong thing. It does the idea of college as an institution of development of the human character wrong. Now colleges within itself has it's own business element--but I speak of college as an idea. This doesn't help. For you to sit there and try to convincingly speak on it is irresponsible of a man who "supposedly" attended college.

[Interminator]

O rly? Link?
I'm being sarcastic.:oldlol: :oldlol: :applause:

[Valliant13]

What I find really intriguing what happens when a NBA ready at 17/18, Lebron like talent comes down the pipe, plays 2 years in Europe, then gets offered 12 million a year to play for the Euro team of his choice, instead of the rookie scale to play on the worst team in the league? With the weakness of the American dollar that cash divide is even huger: you could be looking at getting four times the amount, and being a free agent right off the bat.

The CBA really handicaps the NBA if Europe decides to start poaching top young talent.

[Lebron23]

Lebron23 dick rides every player that receives a little hype.. I bet he spends countless hours on youtube watching there vids of them killing hs kids comparing them to Jordan and Iverson...LMAO! :oldlol:


I bet you spends some quality time sucking my dick, when i am sleeping in your mom's room, and thanks for giving me the license to ride your mom every night.

Hello Mr.Basketball#1


YOU FAILED

[Interminator]

What I find really intriguing what happens when a NBA ready at 17/18, Lebron like talent comes down the pipe, plays 2 years in Europe, then gets offered 12 million a year to play for the Euro team of his choice, instead of the rookie scale to play on the worst team in the league? With the weakness of the American dollar that cash divide is even huger: you could be looking at getting four times the amount, and being a free agent right off the bat.

The CBA really handicaps the NBA if Europe decides to start poaching top young talent.
Why would Europe pach young American talent?

It would ruin the level of play in their league,and Americans arent really liked overseas.:confusedshrug:

[qwerty]

I bet you spends some quality time sucking my dick, when i am sleeping in your mom's room, and thanks for giving me the license to ride your mom every night.

Hello Mr.Basketball#1


YOU FAILED


:oldlol: vicious

[lacasner]

Lmfao at all the retards who think prospects like these guys should go to college to get an "Education". Haha, these dudes probably show up for 1 class a day and all the rest of the professors are bribed to pass him so they can play. David stern missed this one little loophole with his new role to help a struggling ncaa(the player they hype the most is tyler hansbrough haha), and once other players realize this option of playing in europe, Stern will just rewrite the rules once more.

[C.L.W. "DatDude"]

I bet you spends some quality time sucking my dick, when i am sleeping in your mom's room, and thanks for giving me the license to ride your mom every night.

Hello Mr.Basketball#1


YOU FAILED
WRONG AGAIN

[artificial]

I think many people are overlooking the significance of this.

Top ranked HS players going to EUrope was a very predictable consequence of the NBA -year out of HS- rule. Now that it is going on, how Jennings does in Europe will be a reference to many other top HS players that consider Europe in the future.

If Jennings has a successful season in Europe and brings accolades to establish himself as a top draft pick next year, more HS players will probably follow his route in the future.

However, if he rots in the bench, struggles against top euro competition and happens to lower his draft stock, then it's predictable that people will look at his case and think "uh oh, college sounds like the only option".

This will be a very interesting case to follow.

[2LeTTeRS]

At what point did I wish harm? At what point did I wish him negatively? Did you even read what I wrote? Did you even consider it's authenticity? Your comment seems like a guy who likes to generalize and stereotype people. Have you seen Brandon Jennings play? He's very talented but his style is not the type of play you get away with in Europe. It's very urban and very off the cuff. It's not structured. If anything I'm acknowledging that Europe is much harder and more difficult than College. If you want me to spell it for you any further cause you lack the comprehension skills to infer something that simplistic, then I'll gladly help.

It's simple. In college he'll be on national television for NBA teams (LOCATED IN NORTH AMERICA) to see on a regular basis against cats far worse than him and more likely than not make him appear better and ready for the NBA. Alternatively, playing in Europe where they have a distinct style (that's proven to be very different than the US per the Olympics/Fiba) in which he'll have to adjust. He's not guarantee to start every game like he is in the US. He's not gauranteed to have a coach that'll give him the green light.


Never said it was. Not once have I endorsed the 19 year old age limit. If a kid wants to go pro, let him. If a team wants to bank their hopes on a high school kid (which has a very low success rate), let them do it. I've always, always said that these rules protect the NBA more than help college. Basically Stern was tired of seeing players being drafted on potential and it took away the excitement of having a rookie class when rarely any of them are ready to contribute. It hurts colleges because they're just shooting for one and done players so they can get national recognition in the short term and not focusing on what college does---building and developing young people.

That's what I've said from day 1. That's what I fight for. That's what I believe. College isn't for everyone. I've said that more times than you've talked out of your ass and make dumb generalizations.



Keep rambling, buddy. Nothing you are implicating has to do what whatever I wrote about. You generalizing me as an " angry college fan." I ain't mad. I ain't frustrated. I'm just pointing out the realities he's facing.



Why do we have to blame anyone? Why do we have to point fingers? He's fully conscious of what he's doing and he's making his decisions. He's acting his best interest as the NBA is acting in theirs. If they don't coincide, then you have to resolve. That's what's happening. It's not anyone's fault. They're doing what's best for their respective entity. It's not the NBA's priority to protect anything but their business. Just like it's not Brandon Jennings' priority to protect anyone but himself.



1. There's no way to accommodate everything and everyone. Anyone who's been in the real world long enough that it's not possible. Anyone who's been in the real world long enough knows that there will be exceptions and be slips of people that are being done improperly. Maybe Jennings is ready for the NBA. Odds are, he's not. As evident of Gerald Green. As evident of Ndudi Ebi. As evident of James Lang. I can go on if you want. David Stern acted in what he felt was to protect his business. He couldn't give a DAMN about the NCAA. That's just an easy "feel-good" thing guys like you and assorted college fans feel is happening. That's a Captain Obvious type of remark and you actually bought into it. The truth, UNDERLYING truth, is that the David Stern is helping the NBA. He's protecting it. He's not pro-actively helping college basketball.

2. I love college ball. I don't love the NCAA. It has holes and practices that are shady and improper, in my opinion. But to think this i19 year rule is helping college ball is wrong. It's making the college ball a circus. It creates unfair disparities and promotes the wrong thing. It does the idea of college as an institution of development of the human character wrong. Now colleges within itself has it's own business element--but I speak of college as an idea. This doesn't help. For you to sit there and try to convincingly speak on it is irresponsible of a man who "supposedly" attended college.

First off you're post isn't the only one I quoted. I took a few just to show the general view of the board on this issue and to show the other side of the coin. Not sure why you're coming at me with personal attacks because I didn't attack you or the other posters there personally. I feel the NBA is doing a disservice to these kids with the age limit and used this example to show why. From you're post it seems you agree, but for some reason took exception to some of my comments. My bad for that, but you're being a little oversensitive.

Now I disagree that he'll be on a bench in Europe. No team is going to invest in him for 1 season unless they think they can get immediate results. I expect to see him starting from day one. I think he'll be more talented than most of the other players he's going against in Europe (which is why he's the NBA prospect and their not), but he won't have the mental game a lot of the wily vets out there will have. We'll see if his talent/athleticism is enough to make up for that.

[Dasher]

LMAO

this will never happen... do you get an education in europe? didn't think so
Yes he can get schooling. Teams often pay for their prospect's education. A hype machine of his caliber would more than likely get free room and board as well as a whip. The guap will be tax free as well.

[Valliant13]

Why would Europe pach young American talent?

It would ruin the level of play in their league,and Americans arent really liked overseas.:confusedshrug:


They already poach old washed up talent. Hell Parker was Euroleauge MVP, and hugely popular there...and he was a scrub stateside when he went over.

And I'm talking about a Lebron/Shaq type talent, that will be dominate right off the bat. Euro fans, like North American fans, want to see the best players possible. Additionally if the Euroleauge can start snagging top American players (including top NCAA guys) they could begin making inroads into the North American T.V. Markets.

[Lebron23]

WRONG AGAIN

Dude, you are Mr.Basketball#1 because you're the only guy that depended him, when he got exposed in the Celtics Game Thread.

I respected you as a poster in this site, and their is no reason to back stabbed me in the main NBA Forum.

I am really disappointed right now, and I didn't know that you're the son of Judas Iscariot.

:( :( :(

[Interminator]

They already poach old washed up talent. Hell Parker was Euroleauge MVP, and hugely popular there...and he was a scrub stateside when he went over.

And I'm talking about a Lebron/Shaq type talent, that will be dominate right off the bat. Euro fans, like North American fans, want to see the best players possible. Additionally if the Euroleauge can start snagging top American players (including top NCAA guys) they could begin making inroads into the North American T.V. Markets.
Never.

[Interminator]

Dude, you are Mr.Basketball#1 because you're the only guy that depended him, when he got exposed in the Celtics Game Thread.

I respected you as a poster in this site, and their is no reason to back stabbed me in the main NBA Forum.

I am really disappointed right now, and I didn't know that you're the son of Judas Iscariot.

:( :( :(
You can't be serious.

[Valliant13]

Never.

Time will tell. Who would have thought the U.S. would be getting punked in international competition 12 years ago. I agree the the T.V. share is unlikely at best, though. The poaching of top young players...five year at most before the NBA starts changing rules to combat it (either the age limited, or the rookie scale).

[Lebron23]

You can't be serious.

Mr. Basketball#1 said that CLW Dude is Poseidon, but i remember that Jeff IP Banned Poseidon last month after the Los Angeles Lakers lost in the NBA Finals.

[2LeTTeRS]

Dude, you are Mr.Basketball#1 because you're the only guy that depended him, when he got exposed in the Celtics Game Thread.

I respected you as a poster in this site, and their is no reason to back stabbed me in the main NBA Forum.

I am really disappointed right now, and I didn't know that you're the son of Judas Iscariot.

:( :( :(

You take ISH a little too seriously.

[Interminator]

Time will tell. Who would have thought the U.S. would be getting punked in international competition 12 years ago. I agree the the T.V. share is unlikely at best, though. The poaching of top young players...five year at most before the NBA starts changing rules to combat it (either the age limited, or the rookie scale).
Seriously it would be a shame,but you can't suggest a lot of the other players are as stupid and immature as Jennings.

Chris Webber was offered like $10 Million to play in Europe at the tail end of his career and he declined.

In 09/10 if Starbury is true to his word he'll become the 1st NBA star to leave the NBA and head to Europe in a long time.

[statman32]

I bet you spends some quality time sucking my dick, when i am sleeping in your mom's room, and thanks for giving me the license to ride your mom every night.

Hello Mr.Basketball#1


YOU FAILED
Ahh shiiit! :lol

[Mr_Basketball#1]

:lol: shiiittty...but wrong

[BullRaps]

Everyone hates on the NBA for having that one year rule for high school kids. They complain that the NBA is preventing them from getting paid. I think that is totally short sight. Just take a look at Kevin Durant. So what if he could go straight from high school to the NBA and become a first pick? So he gets his first round pick check a year earlier but would he have gotten his tens of millions from Nike for his shoe endorsement? I am pretty sure that he wouldn't have gotten that money. The exposure he got from being on TV that one year he was in college earned him a hell of a lot of money. Smart player can make more money from endorsement than they do in the NBA contract. Just think about all the top players. They make just as much in with their endorsement than they do in their contracts. Jordan became filthy rich because of his endorsement with Nike.

Now getting back to Jennings. He might be a good player. Might play a little bit in Europe. He might even be a top draft pick in the 2009 draft. But he'll be invisible in the US for a year. The next time his name will be mention will be next year during the draft. Would any of the big endorsers, namely the big shoe companies, paid him top dollar when he's not an household name in the states? I highly doubt it.

Kids these days are just so short sighted. You should go get your money but do the math. The little money you get this next year will not compensate for the money you lose in endorsements.

[jamal99]

Smart guy... He will play for money and with better competition.
Who knows maybe he will get big money here in Europe and stay playing here...

[Dasher]

Everyone hates on the NBA for having that one year rule for high school kids. They complain that the NBA is preventing them from getting paid. I think that is totally short sight. Just take a look at Kevin Durant. So what if he could go straight from high school to the NBA and become a first pick? So he gets his first round pick check a year earlier but would he have gotten his tens of millions from Nike for his shoe endorsement? I am pretty sure that he wouldn't have gotten that money. The exposure he got from being on TV that one year he was in college earned him a hell of a lot of money. Smart player can make more money from endorsement than they do in the NBA contract. Just think about all the top players. They make just as much in with their endorsement than they do in their contracts. Jordan became filthy rich because of his endorsement with Nike.

Now getting back to Jennings. He might be a good player. Might play a little bit in Europe. He might even be a top draft pick in the 2009 draft. But he'll be invisible in the US for a year. The next time his name will be mention will be next year during the draft. Would any of the big endorsers, namely the big shoe companies, paid him top dollar when he's not an household name in the states? I highly doubt it.

Kids these days are just so short sighted. You should go get your money but do the math. The little money you get this next year will not compensate for the money you lose in endorsements.


You think Sonny Vaccaro or whomever his handlers are don't have this mapped out? I could see a reality TV show, a couple of ESPN features, a website that tracks his exploits, a Slam Magazine Diary/Blog, and if Arizona has an awful season his name will be brought up. He will also be opening himself up to European edorsements, and that fade is money.

[BullRaps]

You think Sonny Vaccaro or whomever his handlers are don't have this mapped out? I could see a reality TV show, a couple of ESPN features, a website that tracks his exploits, a Slam Magazine Diary/Blog, and if Arizona has an awful season his name will be brought up. He will also be opening himself up to European edorsements, and that fade is money.

Why would any European company give him a big endorsement deal when he's probably only play there for 1 year and he's not even a star? He may get a feature in ESPN but it's nothing like being in the highlight every week. A little feature is nothing like having your name mention in every sportscenter and all the college basketball shows they have.

[Dasher]

Why would any European company give him a big endorsement deal when he's probably only play there for 1 year and he's not even a star? He may get a feature in ESPN but it's nothing like being in the highlight every week. A little feature is nothing like having your name mention in every sportscenter and all the college basketball shows they have.
He will get deals. He has the backing of Sonny Vaccaro and he is doing something that Sonny has wanted to do for a long time. In American basketball Sonny is probably only second to David Stern when it comes to stroke.

He will more than likely have his own show, and that is much greater than a Sportscenter highlight will ever be.

This is the first time the BEST High school player in the US made the jump to Europe. This is unprecedented, and he should get endorsements. Carlos Williams got deals when he went to Europe and I know he is drawing a blank for you right now.

[BullRaps]

He will get deals. He has the backing of Sonny Vaccaro and he is doing something that Sonny has wanted to do for a long time. In American basketball Sonny is probably only second to David Stern when it comes to stroke.

He will more than likely have his own show, and that is much greater than a Sportscenter highlight will ever be.

This is the first time the BEST High school player in the US made the jump to Europe. This is unprecedented, and he should get endorsements. Carlos Williams got deals when he went to Europe and I know he is drawing a blank for you right now.

Hey I wish the kid luck man. I hope it works out for him. He might get his own show but what would be the premise for the show? All I hear about european teams is how they have 2-a-day practices and how they drill you. I'm not sure about the entertainment value such a reality show would have. Anyways, I do wish the kid the best and I'm hoping he's not getting the wrong advice. All I know is that the past 2 years of college basketball have propelled a couple of freshmens into household names and made him quite a bit of money.

[jamal99]

Hey I wish the kid luck man. I hope it works out for him. He might get his own show but what would be the premise for the show? All I hear about european teams is how they have 2-a-day practices and how they drill you. I'm not sure about the entertainment value such a reality show would have. Anyways, I do wish the kid the best and I'm hoping he's not getting the wrong advice. All I know is that the past 2 years of college basketball have propelled a couple of freshmens into household names and made him quite a bit of money.

Too much or not enough??

[Dasher]

Hey I wish the kid luck man. I hope it works out for him. He might get his own show but what would be the premise for the show? All I hear about european teams is how they have 2-a-day practices and how they drill you. I'm not sure about the entertainment value such a reality show would have. Anyways, I do wish the kid the best and I'm hoping he's not getting the wrong advice. All I know is that the past 2 years of college basketball have propelled a couple of freshmens into household names and made him quite a bit of money.

In this instance Brandon is just choosing who he would rather have exploit him and his talents for a couple of years, the NCAA and Arizona, or himself and his family.

His acclimation to a foreign enviroment is a great premise for a show. The Euro players don't play as many games or minutes. They have time to go to school, Andrea Bargnani's team paid for his college education, there are alternative ways to create buzz. I fail to see how getting superior instruction will harm his draft value. At the moment he is a better PG than Derrick Rose, who spent a year and college and still can't effectively run a pick and roll.

For all it supposed great PGs Arizona has yet to produce a PG that has been in the upper tier of PGs for more than a couple of years.
Mike Bibby was never an All Star.

Damon Stoudamire won the ROY and then did not improve much in Portland.

Jason Terry was never able to adequately run an offense.

Jason Gardner is no where to be found.

Gilbert Arenas is the biggest star, but he is not a floor general.

[chains5000]

I just hope my home team signs him :)

[wang4three]

First off you're post isn't the only one I quoted.

But you took the time to generalize me with others. I figure I might as well return the favor.


I took a few just to show the general view of the board on this issue and to show the other side of the coin. Not sure why you're coming at me with personal attacks because I didn't attack you or the other posters there personally.

You don't call someone "salty" and then say "I didn't attack you". You were looking for a fight.


I feel the NBA is doing a disservice to these kids with the age limit and used this example to show why.

"Disservice"? At what point does it matter? If that's the case I think it's a disservice that veterans are forced into retirement because they're old. They want to play but NBA teams are prohibiting them. The NBA is protecting themselves. Why is that hard to understand? You're calling this guy a "kid" and expect a business like the NBA to understand. That's the problem.


From you're post it seems you agree, but for some reason took exception to some of my comments. My bad for that, but you're being a little oversensitive.

If I am, I am. I don't really care nor does it invalidate my opinions in any way. I just find it hypocritical that you're criticizing the NBA for making a general rule that applies to all people and then generalizing me into a slew of other posters.


Now I disagree that he'll be on a bench in Europe. No team is going to invest in him for 1 season unless they think they can get immediate results.

I've yet to see him get a 1 year offer from a European team. It's not going to be as easy as you think. If he does it'll be for a very minimal amount in which he's not given the same freedoms as he would've gotten from Arizona. Probably less than what Dee Brown is making over in Turkey because they know he's not going to stay. European league develops players since they were kids. I just don't see how they'll be receptive to a one and done player.


I expect to see him starting from day one. I think he'll be more talented than most of the other players he's going against in Europe (which is why he's the NBA prospect and their not),

But it's a league of men, not of developing adults. Mentally he has to get over being overseas. He also has to get use to their play, the language, the lifestyle. Like you said, he's a kid. It'll be very easy to not play your best when you consider how overwhelming it might be. It's not a plug and play video game, it's life. If people get homesick from going to even a local college, imagine that when they're overseas.

If he succeeds, power to him, he's proven to be ready for anything basketball has to throw at him. It would mean to me that not only he was ready for the league but he would've been a great star in college and blown away the competition that most likely wouldn't be as good as abroad.

But to anyone arguing at this point in time that overseas is a better decision than college is not thinking fully. Even though it's money NOW, there will be a forgone opportunity cost of more money + fame had he blown up big in college. It might even cost him a lottery spot. How many Euros vs. college kids go lottery every year? Statistics are not with him, even if GMs consider him a special case.

[2LeTTeRS]

But you took the time to generalize me with others. I figure I might as well return the favor.

You don't call someone "salty" and then say "I didn't attack you". You were looking for a fight.

Honestly this part it doesn't matter one way or another to me.


"Disservice"? At what point does it matter? If that's the case I think it's a disservice that veterans are forced into retirement because they're old. They want to play but NBA teams are prohibiting them. The NBA is protecting themselves. Why is that hard to understand? You're calling this guy a "kid" and expect a business like the NBA to understand. That's the problem.

Yea a "disservice." High school kids have prospered in this league. Amare Stoudemire and LeBron James were ROYs out of high school, other stars straight out of high shcool were Kobe, KG, Shawn Kemp, Moses Malone, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith, Rashard Lewis, etc. These playres prove they belong. The problem isn't the players its faulty GMing. My point was that even now with the new rule we're still seeing project players being drafted more off upside than productivity and GMs are making bad decisions now just as much as they were when picking high shcoolers. I figure you could put 2 and 2 together and figure that out yourself but I guess not.


If I am, I am. I don't really care nor does it invalidate my opinions in any way. I just find it hypocritical that you're criticizing the NBA for making a general rule that applies to all people and then generalizing me into a slew of other posters.

Actually it does and I really couldn't give a **** less if you feel offended by being lumped in with other posters. You're post fit so I used it. You're own thoughts of supposedly being a college fan come off as more hypocritical than anything I've said.


I've yet to see him get a 1 year offer from a European team. It's not going to be as easy as you think. If he does it'll be for a very minimal amount in which he's not given the same freedoms as he would've gotten from Arizona. Probably less than what Dee Brown is making over in Turkey because they know he's not going to stay. European league develops players since they were kids. I just don't see how they'll be receptive to a one and done player.

Of course you haven't seen any offers he just made if official that he's going to Europe to play. The rest of this paragraph is garbage, who cares about if he makes more than Dee Brown? He's going to play for a year and he'll make more than he woudl have in Arizona.


But it's a league of men, not of developing adults. Mentally he has to get over being overseas. He also has to get use to their play, the language, the lifestyle. Like you said, he's a kid. It'll be very easy to not play your best when you consider how overwhelming it might be. It's not a plug and play video game, it's life. If people get homesick from going to even a local college, imagine that when they're overseas.

If he succeeds, power to him, he's proven to be ready for anything basketball has to throw at him. It would mean to me that not only he was ready for the league but he would've been a great star in college and blown away the competition that most likely wouldn't be as good as abroad.

But to anyone arguing at this point in time that overseas is a better decision than college is not thinking fully. Even though it's money NOW, there will be a forgone opportunity cost of more money + fame had he blown up big in college. It might even cost him a lottery spot. How many Euros vs. college kids go lottery every year? Statistics are not with him, even if GMs consider him a special case

And this again comes off as you being salty. Fewer Euroes than college kids go in the lottery because by and large the vast majority of 18-21 year old basketball players with a shot at going to the NBA are playing college ball. Jennings is starting a new trend that hasn't been explored before so you're #s are moot. And if you really think being exploited by a college who collects millions of dollars off you're back while you don't get a dime but an "education" that most these players will never use.

College ball fans are a trip.

[Valliant13]

Seriously it would be a shame,but you can't suggest a lot of the other players are as stupid and immature as Jennings.

Chris Webber was offered like $10 Million to play in Europe at the tail end of his career and he declined.

In 09/10 if Starbury is true to his word he'll become the 1st NBA star to leave the NBA and head to Europe in a long time.

It would be a shame, since I personally enjoy being able to see the best player play each other. Having the best players in the world split between two or more leagues would really hurt the prestige of both.

I think at moment there is not a real awareness of the level of play and quality of life overseas, among NBA players. imo it would only take a few kids to go over, make a ton of money, and enjoy themselves, for the flood gate to open. That first big precedent hasn't hit yet though, and there is degree of American Xenophobia working on the NBA's side, but soon or later money will start talking.

[Valliant13]

In this instance Brandon is just choosing who he would rather have exploit him and his talents for a couple of years, the NCAA and Arizona, or himself and his family.

His acclimation to a foreign enviroment is a great premise for a show. The Euro players don't play as many games or minutes. They have time to go to school, Andrea Bargnani's team paid for his college education, there are alternative ways to create buzz. I fail to see how getting superior instruction will harm his draft value. At the moment he is a better PG than Derrick Rose, who spent a year and college and still can't effectively run a pick and roll.

For all it supposed great PGs Arizona has yet to produce a PG that has been in the upper tier of PGs for more than a couple of years.
Mike Bibby was never an All Star.

Damon Stoudamire won the ROY and then did not improve much in Portland.

Jason Terry was never able to adequately run an offense.

Jason Gardner is no where to be found.

Gilbert Arenas is the biggest star, but he is not a floor general.

Some very good points here.

[wang4three]

Yea a "disservice." High school kids have prospered in this league. Amare Stoudemire and LeBron James were ROYs out of high school, other stars straight out of high shcool were Kobe, KG, Shawn Kemp, Moses Malone, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith, Rashard Lewis, etc. These playres prove they belong.

Then there's Gerald Green. James Lang. Ndudi Ebi. Sebastian Telfair. DeShawn Stevenson. Kwame Brown. Robert Swift. Diop. Darius Miles. Jonathan Bender. Leon Smith. The guys did absolutely nothing for the team that drafted them. Stephen Jackson too. He had to bounce around the world before he actually made it in the NBA. For every person that is "ready" there were plenty that clearly weren't.

Guys who entered the draft and didn't even get drafted and screwed themselves from playing college ball. Remember Lenny Cooke? Who's "disservice" is that to? 56 High school players entered the 2004 draft. 56. And only 8 of them got drafted. That's less than 15% of the high school pool. Maybe some of them got to college, but a lot of them probably did something stupid like hire/talk to an agent and became ineligible to play college ball. Now who are you "disservicing"? Since they don't have faces nor are they really trackable so do you ignore them? You want to overlook them because you have a VERY VERY small percentage of kids that do well? Or are you just going to point your finger again-but this time at the NCAA?

Anyone who falls enough basketball knows that there is a very SMALL percentage of kids ready for the NBA out of highschool. The percentage is so small that it's not enough to convince anyone that they should take into consideration. Honestly, it's marginal. There's a high visibility to the successful ones because it's a great story to tell, but by no means is that the norm. Because of that the NBA needs to protect themselves. As a side benefit, it also helps the kids too. Brandon Roy thought about going pro after high school but went to college and stayed for 4 years and proved to be spectacular.


The problem isn't the players its faulty GMing.

Exactly. That's why the NBA is protecting themselves from idiot GM which happens to be a lot of.


My point was that even now with the new rule we're still seeing project players being drafted more off upside than productivity and GMs are making bad decisions now just as much as they were when picking high shcoolers.

It's really a lot less now than it was. In the 2004 draft, it was ridiculous. You see far less of it now in the lottery realm.


I figure you could put 2 and 2 together and figure that out yourself but I guess not.

Figure what out? You can't police how teams will pick but you can somewhat police who they can pick. That's what the NBA did. I'm not saying it's right nor is it how I will do it, but for anyone to think that it's not good for the NBA's best interest is fooling themselves. Picking a handful of exceptions over the year when 48 kids went in ONE year went undrafted is just being blind. In short, there is no way to stop a team from drafting based on talent but there are ways of making it less possible by shortening the pool. It's the most logical way of doing it.



Actually it does and I really couldn't give a **** less if you feel offended by being lumped in with other posters. You're post fit so I used it. You're own thoughts of supposedly being a college fan come off as more hypocritical than anything I've said.


Hypocritical how? That at no point did I support the 19 year old limit you accused me of supporting? That at no point did I wish harm on Brandon Jennings? That at no point did I seem salty? My post did not fit any of your criterion. You didn't even read it. You just know I'm a college fan (denoted by my avatar and previous post) and assumed I was anti-BJ going overseas b/c it hurt the college game. BJ isn't a Durant. He isn't an Oden. He isn't a Beasley. He isn't a Rose. He isn't even Eric Gordon. Whether he goes to college or not wouldn't change the outlook of college basketball. I'm thinking of the perspective of how this will effect him-regardless of thinking of the realm of college basketball.


Of course you haven't seen any offers he just made if official that he's going to Europe to play. The rest of this paragraph is garbage, who cares about if he makes more than Dee Brown?

Because the more he's paid directly links to how much a team cares about him. It's just like the NBA. If you have a low salary (outside of the initial rookie contract), most likely it's cause you're filling a roster spot and being a practice guy.

Like I said, the European system develops kids since they are pre-teenagers. Go read Dirk's biography. He was bread for basketball. The philosophy there is to develop players and train them. That's their custom. How they react to a guy who just wants to stay one year then leave is yet to be seen. Like I've said SEVERAL times--the competition there is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the NCAA. Just cause he's a great hs player in the states doesn't automatically mean he can walk into any Euro club and start there. No way. That's a slap in the face of professionals over there. I doubt any starting PG losing his spot to an 18 year old American boy will be happy nor his teammates. But that's all theoretical.

Bottom line. Competition there is tougher. The athletes there more developed mentally and physically. Where he would've transcended in the NCAA is not guaranteed overseas like it most likely would've been in the NCAA. If he blows it next year he may never make the NBA.


He's going to play for a year and he'll make more than he woudl have in Arizona.

This is such a short-sided view. He's forgoing the opportunity cost of playing in the NCAA and getting national recognition that could propellhim into the lottery. You really are going to argue with me that it's easier to make the lottery playing overseas?


And this again comes off as you being salty. Fewer Euroes than college kids go in the lottery because by and large the vast majority of 18-21 year old basketball players with a shot at going to the NBA are playing college ball.

And you know this how? You watch a lot of Euro ball to quantify? Or do you just assume like you've been doing? You say that because you have VISIBILITY to the 18-21 year old players here. That's why you think that. That's why everyone on this damn board thinks and rightfully so because that's what we are fed on our day-to-day. We have no visibility to the rising stars there till draft time comes. There are probably handful of kids being overlooked every year who can play in the NBA for college stars...b/c the best way to get into the NBA is to go to a NCAA school in America that gets wide television distribution. You peak the interests of NBA fans/GMs. You get people on your side and overall while you're theoretically not making any money in college, your pay day is greater post Freshman year than overseas then entering the draft.


Jennings is starting a new trend that hasn't been explored before so you're #s are moot.
A trend would be a lot of people doing it. So far it's just BJ and his results aren't proven so I don't see many people jumping on this bus. Most of next years top players in HS are committed to US colleges.... So BJ is standing alone right now. No trend has started yet.


And if you really think being exploited by a college who collects millions of dollars off you're back while you don't get a dime but an "education" that most these players will never use.

This is the exact dramaticism that makes you wildly ignorant. Throwing out words like "exploit." Majority of colleges LOSE money off of college sports. So few make money. Just like so few high school players make it in the NBA. But you only want to look at the exceptions and try to make an argument. No statistic in the world backs up your argument.

If these athletes don't want to use their education then that's on them. That's not on the school. Hey, what is college for? It's for an education. It's not a vocational training ground. So if the best a college can offer is "only" an education then don't go. Not only an education but free food, a place to live, and whatever other assorted amenity there is the school can give them. Whatever the package, most likely it's better than a full academic scholarship... Don't you find parity there? A person who's going to an academic institution because of his great academics is probably being treating worse than a guy going for sports?

Give me a break man. Like I said, every statistic you want to pull favors in my side. Look at the % of success to failures of HS players entering the draft. Look at the % of colleges that actually make money off their sports clubs. Look at the % of college athletes that go pro. All of them are so marginally small that you shouldn't be surprised of the reality we live in. But if you want to continue to live in this funnel world of special exceptions go ahead, but fortunately the real world doesn't act on a case to case basis like that. Nothing would get done.


College ball fans are a trip.


This isn't abut me being a college fan. This is again your ignorance and inability to communicate succinctly that results you to this.

[Younggrease]

Whatever the package, most likely it's better than a full academic scholarship

thats a lie..A basketball scholarship is a job. The mandatory running and meeting etc. are serious work and hard to maintain if your going to keep a high gpa. Its more then possible but a lot harder then just keeping a high gpa and being on a academic scholarship.

[brandonislegend]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/kevin_armstrong/05/23/brandon.jennings/p1_jennings.jpg

Wow :sleeping

Jennings is the most explosive scorer in HS, and he is going to be a taller version of Allen Iverson.

Averages: 35.5 ppg

Brandon Jennings Highlights

Brandon Jennings 63 points: Breaks Oak Hill Record.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBNUPjKi8XA&fmt=18

Brandon Jennings Goes Off for 46 Points/12 Assists/7 Steals ( One of the best HS performance of all time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gOVtT7nkPo&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw&fmt=18

2008 Jordan Classic

Video Highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpqtynQOAM&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWX0ufGTHtE&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hk7ktKRT-U&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQBwt-S9ymE&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bJiWbVn_9k&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lugMQekuGpk&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeeoFwv-Ctg&feature=related&fmt=18

Awards and Recognition

2005 Press Telegram Freshmen Player of the Year

Named the Most Valuable Player of the 2006 Les Schwab Invitational Tournament

Co-MVP of the 2006 Elite 24 Hoops Classic

Co-MVP of the 2007 Elite 24 Hoops Classic

2007 Las Vegas Easter Classic Most Valuable Player

2007 NBAPS Top 100 High School Camp Best Playmaker

2007 The Goazcats.com Showdown Most Valuable Player

2008 Naismith Male Player of the year

2007-08 Gatorade Player of the year Virginia

2008 Parade Magazine Player of the Year

2008 EA SPORTS National Player of the Year

2007-08 MaxPreps National Player of the Year

2008 Jordan Brand Classic Most Valuable Player for the East

No.1 rated Senior by ESPN (2008)
No.1 rated Senior by Van Coleman Hoopmaster (2008)
No.1 rated Senior by Clark Franics Hoopscoop (2007 and 2008)
No.1 rated senior by Dave Telep Scout.com 2008


good post.

[Hammertime]

Hmmm...let me see. You're 18, and you have a choice between a year in Tuscon and a year in Paris or Barcelona. Gee whiz, even without the money that comes with the second option, you'd have to be retarded to wanna drive through Tuscon, let alone live there.

[Younggrease]

Hmmm...let me see. You're 18, and you have a choice between a year in Tuscon and a year in Paris or Barcelona. Gee whiz, even without the money that comes with the second option, you'd have to be retarded to wanna drive through Tuscon, let alone live there.

thank you...Id take that over college an day. The most fun I had in college was during study abroad. Imagine a whole year of that with basketball. The only thing he would miss is the groupies but he should be able to get some in Europe too.

[ZHAKIDD532]

I don't see anything wrong with this other then the fact that college basketball has a problem. If more guys decide to follow in his footsteps, in 5 years they won't have many stars left...

Play against better competition, get paid...not bad for him. No point in pretending to be a student...

As long as he goes somewhere that will take him for a year and definitely give him playing time, it's a good move.

If I were him I'd go find where Ricky Rubio was playing and sign with a rival team, go up against him as much as possible. Get everyone's attention...

[thenextgreatbigman]

I think this ends up great for everyone. It will put euro ball on ESPN and help make it popular here in the US. And it will happen even if brandon fails.

The kid is stupid and it's not like he would go to class. Let him go somewhere on his own where he won't be able to act like a thug. That get money **** won't work in europe.

As much as i love college basketball i wouldn't really be mad if more guys did this because in the end it's good for basketball.

[Younggrease]

I think this ends up great for everyone. It will put euro ball on ESPN and help make it popular here in the US. And it will happen even if brandon fails.

The kid is stupid and it's not like he would go to class. Let him go somewhere on his own where he won't be able to act like a thug. That get money **** won't work in europe.

As much as i love college basketball i wouldn't really be mad if more guys did this because in the end it's good for basketball.

Its not like you learn anything useful in first year college courses. He would learn a lot more about himself in Europe then in college. College is a crock, its just a weeding out process unless you take the few majors that actually give you transferable skils.

[High Potential]

Hmmm...let me see. You're 18, and you have a choice between a year in Tuscon and a year in Paris or Barcelona. Gee whiz, even without the money that comes with the second option, you'd have to be retarded to wanna drive through Tuscon, let alone live there.
Cosign

Tempe, probably the best city I went to in Arizona, is also not a place I would want to live for any period of time, and the ASU chicks are overrated like no other.

[DCMC]

Wow, a lot of hate on the few pages I read

Let the lil ***** make some money & hopefully he becomes a better player with this move

[statman32]

Cosign

Tempe, probably the best city I went to in Arizona, is also not a place I would want to live for any period of time, and the ASU chicks are overrated like no other.
:roll:

You just like being wrong dont you?

[statman32]

For all it supposed great PGs Arizona has yet to produce a PG that has been in the upper tier of PGs for more than a couple of years.
Mike Bibby was never an All Star.

Damon Stoudamire won the ROY and then did not improve much in Portland.

Jason Terry was never able to adequately run an offense.

Jason Gardner is no where to be found.

Gilbert Arenas is the biggest star, but he is not a floor general.
:no:

How bout you name some other programs that have produced as many pgs as consistently as UofA?

[High Potential]

:no:

How bout you name some other programs that have produced as many pgs as consistently as UofA?
UCLA

Baron Davis, Russel Westbrook, Jordan Farmar, Darren Collison, Earl Watson, and soon Jru Holliday, not to mention the euro-stud Toby Bailey.

[statman32]

UCLA

Baron Davis, Russel Westbrook, Jordan Farmar, Darren Collison, Earl Watson, and soon Jru Holliday, not to mention the euro-stud Toby Bailey.
:roll:
Darren Collison is still in college
Jru Holliday has yet to even play in college
Toby Bailey is nowhere near a point guard
Russel Westbrook hasnt even played 1 minute in the NBA

So Baron Davis/Jordan Farmer/Earl Watson vs Gilbert Arenas/Mike Bibby/Jason Terry/Damon Stoudemire?

:roll: :roll:

[brandonislegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWX0ufGTHtE&fmt=18

lmao @ 1:05

[Lebron23]

good post.


Brandon Jennings = Brandonislegend :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[konex]

I hope he does well and this stupid rule gets abolished. If these GMs don't think a high-school kid will pan out, DON'T DRAFT HIM!

[High Potential]

:roll:
Darren Collison is still in college
Jru Holliday has yet to even play in college
Toby Bailey is nowhere near a point guard
Russel Westbrook hasnt even played 1 minute in the NBA

So Baron Davis/Jordan Farmer/Earl Watson vs Gilbert Arenas/Mike Bibby/Jason Terry/Damon Stoudemire?

:roll: :roll:
Baron Davis is better than any of the Arizona guys, Farmar is and up and coming young guy on a contender team and Earl Watson has had a pretty successful NBA career. Being that Westbrook was the #4 pick in the draft, Darren Collison is one of the top PGs in his class and Jru Holliday is the #2 ranked recruit in the country, I am guessing it is safe to say that out of those 3 atleast 1 will be a stud. UCLA>>>Arizona

It's funny how you say Toby Bailey isn't a point guard too, obviously you weren't watching him lead UCLA to their last championship AS THE STARTING POINT GUARD. :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

And yes, Watson and Farmar are better point guards than Jason Terry and Gilbert Arenas, who are point guards in name only. I would rather have Watson or Farmar running my offense as a distributor and playmaker than either of those two. Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire are the best true PGs Zona has to offer. And yes, Baron Davis is much better than Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire.

[brandonislegend]

Baron Davis is better than any of the Arizona guys, Farmar is and up and coming young guy on a contender team and Earl Watson has had a pretty successful NBA career. Being that Westbrook was the #4 pick in the draft, Darren Collison is one of the top PGs in his class and Jru Holliday is the #2 ranked recruit in the country, I am guessing it is safe to say that out of those 3 atleast 1 will be a stud. UCLA>>>Arizona

It's funny how you say Toby Bailey isn't a point guard too, obviously you weren't watching him lead UCLA to their last championship AS THE STARTING POINT GUARD. :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

And yes, Watson and Farmar are better point guards than Jason Terry and Gilbert Arenas, who are point guards in name only. I would rather have Watson or Farmar running my offense as a distributor and playmaker than either of those two. Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire are the best true PGs Zona has to offer. And yes, Baron Davis is much better than Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire.

:wtf: :confusedshrug:

[chains5000]

:wtf: :confusedshrug:
Exactly.
He'd start 123986 threads if the Lakers somehow got Arenas:oldlol:

[brandonislegend]

btw, i would take bayless over farmar anyday, as a laker fan, even though he hasnt played a single minute in the NBA.

[berraco]

Is there any hint about where he could be headed to?

[chains5000]

Is there any hint about where he could be headed to?
Iurbentia Bilbao, of the ACB league.
I wish

[berraco]

Iurbentia Bilbao, of the ACB league.
I wish

I was expecting that :roll: You have Huertas, don't need another starting PG :-)

[High Potential]

Exactly.
He'd start 123986 threads if the Lakers somehow got Arenas:oldlol:
No I wouldn't. We don't need another chucker shooting guard.

[chains5000]

I was expecting that :roll: You have Huertas, don't need another starting PG :-)
He's just been signed by Joventut:(

[R.I.P.]

He's just been signed by Joventut:(

So he is replacing Rudy? Ah that should be easy. :oldlol:

If he is a good student of the game with a good work ethic, he

[chains5000]

So he is replacing Rudy? Ah that should be easy. :oldlol:
Huertas, not Jennings.
There's a rumor they're trading him to TAU though.

[brandonislegend]

yes, let him fall to the lakers :D

[R.I.P.]

Huertas, not Jennings.
There's a rumor they're trading him to TAU though.

Still a very good team.

[R.I.P.]

Huertas, not Jennings.
There's a rumor they're trading him to TAU though.

So Huertas has been signed by Joventut not Jennings?

[chains5000]

So Huertas has been signed by Joventut not Jennings?
Exactly.

[R.I.P.]

Exactly.

You are confusing me. :roll:

[chains5000]

You are confusing me. :roll:
Huertas to Joventut, which are rumored to trade him to TAU.:D

[berraco]

Huertas to Joventut, which are rumored to trade him to TAU.:D

Oh, I thought he would stay. Bad luck for you guys, he was fantastic last season. You will find a good replacement, I would love to see Jennings there (or at least playing in Spain, which is the second best league to go after NBA), and I probably would go to see him live in Madrid :-)

[chains5000]

Oh, I thought he would stay. Bad luck for you guys, he was fantastic last season. You will find a good replacement, I would love to see Jennings there (or at least playing in Spain, which is the second best league to go after NBA), and I probably would go to see him live in Madrid :-)
He was too good for us...

[Dasher]

:no:

How bout you name some other programs that have produced as many pgs as consistently as UofA?
Georgia Tech. Mark Price, Kenny Anderson, Jarret Jack, Stephon Marbury and Javaris Crittendon.

[High Potential]

Georgia Tech. Mark Price, Kenny Anderson, Jarret Jack, Stephon Marbury and Javaris Crittendon.

UCLA still.

Baron Davis, Jordan Farmar, Russel Westbrook, Jru Holiday, Darren Collison, Earl Watson> Them

[Dasher]

UCLA still.

Baron Davis, Jordan Farmar, Russel Westbrook, Jru Holiday, Darren Collison, Earl Watson> Them
No, Mark Price future HOF. Baron is not gonna get in. Russel Westbrook is not a PG. Earl Watson is a journeyman. Darren Collison is too small to D up on the NBA level, and Jrue Holiday will be a SG on the next level.

Baron is Steph with better pub.

[Efunk7]

Baron Davis is better than any of the Arizona guys, Farmar is and up and coming young guy on a contender team and Earl Watson has had a pretty successful NBA career. Being that Westbrook was the #4 pick in the draft, Darren Collison is one of the top PGs in his class and Jru Holliday is the #2 ranked recruit in the country, I am guessing it is safe to say that out of those 3 atleast 1 will be a stud. UCLA>>>Arizona

It's funny how you say Toby Bailey isn't a point guard too, obviously you weren't watching him lead UCLA to their last championship AS THE STARTING POINT GUARD. :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

And yes, Watson and Farmar are better point guards than Jason Terry and Gilbert Arenas, who are point guards in name only. I would rather have Watson or Farmar running my offense as a distributor and playmaker than either of those two. Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire are the best true PGs Zona has to offer. And yes, Baron Davis is much better than Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire.

please ban this dumba$s...

[statman32]

Baron Davis is better than any of the Arizona guys, Farmar is and up and coming young guy on a contender team and Earl Watson has had a pretty successful NBA career. Being that Westbrook was the #4 pick in the draft, Darren Collison is one of the top PGs in his class and Jru Holliday is the #2 ranked recruit in the country, I am guessing it is safe to say that out of those 3 atleast 1 will be a stud. UCLA>>>Arizona

It's funny how you say Toby Bailey isn't a point guard too, obviously you weren't watching him lead UCLA to their last championship AS THE STARTING POINT GUARD. :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

And yes, Watson and Farmar are better point guards than Jason Terry and Gilbert Arenas, who are point guards in name only. I would rather have Watson or Farmar running my offense as a distributor and playmaker than either of those two. Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire are the best true PGs Zona has to offer. And yes, Baron Davis is much better than Mike Bibby and Damon Stoudamire.
:roll:

If Toby Bailey was the starting point guard on that team, what was Tyus Edney?

Mike Bibby has also had a better career than Baron Davis. Farmer and Watson dont come close to Arenas and Terry and 99% of the world would take them as there point guards over Watson/Farmer and I havent even mentioned Damon Stoudemire yet who had a pretty good career.

[statman32]

Georgia Tech. Mark Price, Kenny Anderson, Jarret Jack, Stephon Marbury and Javaris Crittendon.
2 of those guys arent even in the league anymore and two of them have been at best role players in the NBA so far.

It's still a decent list but no way is it better than Arizonas point guards who are still in the league.

[Koop1]

Smart move as long as he doesn't sell his rights for more than 1 year.
truth