Derrick Rose or Ricky Rubio?

[Younggrease]

If you have a choice who do you build your franchise around or want to be the big piece of your franchise. Do you want the uber athletic pg with slightly above average court vision. Or do you want the elite court vision and pg instincts in a good very good athletes body?

http://www.draftexpress.com/gallery/RickyRubio/1186748958.jpg

or

http://terrydehereftw.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/derrick_rose.jpg

[Scott Pippen]

:banghead:

[JPR]

Rubio is the next Telfair.

[Interminator]

Rubio is the next Telfair.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tikay00]

rubio is not going to have the same impact as mr. rose. He'll be a wanna be pistol pete version or bargnani.

[brandonislegend]

you have to be kidding me?

[Younggrease]

you have to be kidding me?

how many games of Ricky Rubio have you seen? And if you act like the comparison is unwarranted then why is Rubio the #1 pick in some mock drafts. The only one I read(draftexpress) has him #1 as well. Maybe you should download some games.

[Posterize246]

rose

[JordanL]

Are you serious?

Is this like that time when I was talking about Stockton being a great player and you went off your meds?

[Younggrease]

Are you serious?

Is this like that time when I was talking about Stockton being a great player and you went off your meds?

I actually did my top 50 players before and I have Stockton in the top 30...I dont know what your talking about. Stock is no Isiah but thats a whole another issue.

How many games of Rubio's have seen?

[baseketball4life]

D. Rose

[brandonislegend]

how many games of Ricky Rubio have you seen? And if you act like the comparison is unwarranted then why is Rubio the #1 pick in some mock drafts. The only one I read(draftexpress) has him #1 as well. Maybe you should download some games.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/xwikdx/warf.gif

[GOBB]

D.Rose

[Interminator]

I've joined my man Yunggrease on the Rubio fanbase.

I've seen a lot of his Youtube highlights and in the Olympics I'll finally get to see this kid live but from everything I've seen about him he's supposed to be a "Once in a decade PG prospect"

[Younggrease]

Next year when Rubio comes over, if he is allowed to, remember I tried to tell yall.

Look at the hands and ball handling ability. Just comes natural.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaR_oDZdQFc

Derrick Rose will never see a pick and roll like Ricky Rubio did at the age of 15-17..not a diss most players never will

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gIFun-ygSA&feature=related

[brandonislegend]

I've joined my man Yunggrease on the Rubio fanbase.

I've seen a lot of his Youtube highlights and in the Olympics I'll finally get to see this kid live but from everything I've seen about him he's supposed to be a "Once in a decade PG prospect"


if someone made highlights of my college games, i would make the NBA.

[brandonislegend]

Next year when Rubio comes over, if he is allowed to, remember I tried to tell yall.

Look at the hands and ball handling ability. Just comes natural.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaR_oDZdQFc

Derrick Rose will never see a pick and roll like Ricky Rubio did at the age of 15-17..not a diss most players never will

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gIFun-ygSA&feature=related


did you just post that highlight to benefit him? i could do that in my sleep all he did was go behind the back and layup.

[gonna_make_it]

D.Rose

[Younggrease]

did you just post that highlight to benefit him? i could do that in my sleep all he did was go behind the back and layup.

its the steal, the strong hands and way he reads people's body and executes the proper moves instinctively. Similar to how D-Will handles the rock in that way. I could do that to on my level of talent but to be able to reach in with one hand and grab a clean steal like that is a unique talent. Its a sample of the reason he lead the Euroleague in steals at age 16 while averaging like 20 minutes a game. But im sure you could do that as well

[brandonislegend]

i never said he wasnt good, im just saying thats a bad example.

[Interminator]

if someone made highlights of my college games, i would make the NBA.
What college did you play at?

[Lebron23]

Derrick Rose

[FireMcFailPlease]

Give me Ricky Rubio

[72-10]

I'll believe Rubio is what he's hyped to be when he can do it in the NBA. He clearly has natural ability, but he's dominating against about the equivalent of NCAA Division I defenders, and certainly not NBA sized players.

[Interminator]

I'll believe Rubio is what he's hyped to be when he can do it in the NBA. He clearly has natural ability, but he's dominating against about the equivalent of NCAA Division I defenders, and certainly not NBA sized players.
He is playing against NBA sized defenders.:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[Younggrease]

I'll believe Rubio is what he's hyped to be when he can do it in the NBA. He clearly has natural ability, but he's dominating against about the equivalent of NCAA Division I defenders, and certainly not NBA sized players.

Euroleage is a whole different level then NCAA teams. Kid is doing a lot more then Rose was with an all star team surrounding him against the bummy Conference USA.

[High Potential]

Yeah, Euroleague is way better competition than NCAA. That Florida Gators team with Brewer, Noah and Horford would be one of the bottom teams in the Spanish Liga and probably be relegated after one season.

NCAA division 1 doesn't even compare to Euroleague. Euroleague is filled with men, NCAA is just a bunch of boys compared to them.

[brandonislegend]

He is playing against NBA sized defenders.:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

their NBA sized, but they dont have the same athleticism.

[steve]

So can Rubio shoot or his 38% shooting from the field during League play just an illusion.

[GOBB]

I've joined my man Yunggrease on the Rubio fanbase.

I've seen a lot of his Youtube highlights and in the Olympics I'll finally get to see this kid live but from everything I've seen about him he's supposed to be a "Once in a decade PG prospect

Ever since Chris Paul that is the next thing teams are targetting.

[High Potential]

their NBA sized, but they dont have the same athleticism.
They make up for it by having the knowledge and skill to actually know how to defend properly.

For all we we know Ricky Rubio can be the next Sergio Rodriguez, I don't care, but I do know that the Euroleagues are higher levels of competition than the NCAAs.

[72-10]

He is playing against NBA sized defenders.:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Proof please? The average height of the NBA is 6'6" or so, looking from video I rather doubt that the Euroleague is that close. So every team has several 7 footers?

He's 6'3" - which isn't exactly to his advantage in the NBA.

[Lebron23]

Proof please? The average height of the NBA is 6'7", looking from video I rather doubt that the Euroleague is that close. So every team has several 7 footers?

He's 6'3" - which isn't exactly to his advantage in the NBA.


Rubio is actually listed at 6'2 3/4" ( 1.90 M) in the Euroleague Website,and i think he is one of the most overrated prospect in Europe.

http://www.acb.com/jugador.php?id=BA5

Just because he looks like a younger version of Pete Maravich doesn't mean he is going to be better that Pistol Pete.

I wouldn't overrate this guy unless i have seen him play againts some of the best talent in the NBA.

I noticed 1 person using 2 alternate accounts in this thread, and you know what i am talking about.

[High Potential]

Proof please? The average height of the NBA is 6'6" or so, looking from video I rather doubt that the Euroleague is that close. So every team has several 7 footers?

He's 6'3" - which isn't exactly to his advantage in the NBA.
A 6'3" point guard is big in the NBA.

[72-10]

They make up for it by having the knowledge and skill to actually know how to defend properly.

Judging by the film they're certainly not defending any better than the NBA. The defense is actually rather passive and he certainly isn't commanding double teams.:ohwell:

[statman32]

I have no doubt in my mind that Rubio will become a good NBA player but the obsession Younggrease has for him is sickening. :eek:

[72-10]

A 6'3" point guard is big in the NBA.

It's not big at all but I guess it is average. I'm thinking of him as needing to be more of an offensive scoring threat than just a pure passer in the NBA. By the way, 3.3 assists isn't blowing anyone away. I know he doesn't get the minutes yet, but the point is that he hasn't proven himself.

[High Potential]

It's not big at all but I guess it is average. I'm thinking of him as needing to be more of an offensive scoring threat than just a pure passer in the NBA. By the way, 3.3 assists isn't blowing anyone away. I know he doesn't get the minutes yet, but the point is that he hasn't proven himself.
Kobe Bryant is only about 6'4" and he is a shooting guard. 6'3" is how tall Deron Williams and Baron Davis are, and they are big for point guards.

[Younggrease]

Judging by the film they're certainly not defending any better than the NBA. The defense is actually rather passive and he certainly isn't commanding double teams.:ohwell:

well when your facing a talent like Rubio that happens from time to time. But this is the best league outside the NBA. A league that has had teams come over here and beat NBA teams in exhibitions. A league that put a lot of players on national teams that have beaten Team USA. The defense is definately legit, they understand angles and are on a whole much smarter defenders.

[VeeCee15]

Kobe Bryant is not 6'4

he is ****ing 6'6 if not 6'7

[72-10]

Kobe Bryant is not 6'4

he is ****ing 6'6 if not 6'7

for real, where does this clown get his stats?

[High Potential]

Kobe Bryant is not 6'4

he is ****ing 6'6 if not 6'7
Tracey MacGrady is about 6'6", 6'7" and he stands inches above Kobe in side by side pictures

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fsS3GZ0S76NX/610x.jpg

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/18217-1/Kobe+Bryant+and+Dwyane+Wade+converse.jpg

he's the same height as D-Whistle. Do you think Wade is 6'6" or 6'7"??
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[72-10]

That's called the angle, you idiot. Not to mention that he's leaning in one picture while TMac in on the front of his foot, hence appearing taller than he actually is.

Kobe has stood side by side with Jordan, both with shoes on. He is pretty much the exact same height as Jordan. With shoes on Jordan is a true 6'6".

[High Potential]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WadeandKobe.jpg


Kobe: I am only 6-4 not 6-6 ot 6-7 that NBA Listed me.
Source:http://collegebasketballnews.scout.com/2/115362.html

You lose.

[High Potential]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/1995NBAALLSTARS.jpg

Oh yeah, MJ is only 6'4" too. Notice how Reggie Miller is 2 inches taller than he is. Do you think Reggie Miller is 6'8"? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Penny Hardaway - 6'6
Reggie Miller- 6'6
Michael Jordan- 6'4
Scottie Pippen - 6'7
Grant Hill- 6'7
Terell Brandon - 5'9 3/4

[Younggrease]

\
Just because he looks like a younger version of Pete Maravich doesn't mean he is going to be better that Pistol Pete.

I wouldn't overrate this guy unless i have seen him play againts some of the best talent in the NBA.
.

But people overrate Rose after playing in the Conference USA?

Just because he has light skin and scraggly hair doesnt mean you should compare him to Pete MAravich because they really aren't much alike.

[72-10]

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/__Story_Inserts/graphics/__SPORTS/__N-Z/USA_basketball_team.jpg

How do you explain this, perhaps a much more recent picture?

Oh by the way, did you notice that you can't see the entire lengths of their bodies in the photo you posted?

And apparently a college basketball news source is more reliable than the NBA?:confusedshrug:

[72-10]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/1995NBAALLSTARS.jpg

Oh yeah, MJ is only 6'4" too. Notice how Reggie Miller is 2 inches taller than he is. Do you think Reggie Miller is 6'8"? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Penny Hardaway - 6'6
Reggie Miller- 6'6
Michael Jordan- 6'4
Scottie Pippen - 6'7
Grant Hill- 6'7
Terell Brandon - 5'9 3/4

Nope, I think Jordan is slouching. It's rather obvious, too.

[72-10]

But people overrate Rose after playing in the Conference USA?

Just because he has light skin and scraggly hair doesnt mean you should compare him to Pete MAravich because they really aren't much alike.

Rose is overrated in that sense, but his team went 38-2 on the season, and a lot of that was outside of C-USA.

[High Potential]

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/__Story_Inserts/graphics/__SPORTS/__N-Z/USA_basketball_team.jpg

How do you explain this, perhaps a much more recent picture?

Oh by the way, did you notice that you can't see the entire lengths of their bodies in the photo you posted?

And apparently a college basketball news source is more reliable than the NBA?:confusedshrug:
Carmelo is about 6'6 1/2" so it makes sense Kobe is 2 inches shorter than him.

[High Potential]

Nope, I think Jordan is slouching. It's rather obvious, too.
Those in rose colored glasses see what they want to see.

Sounds like denial to me.

[Younggrease]

Carmelo is about 6'6 1/2" so it makes sense Kobe is 2 inches shorter than him.

thats not true Carmelo is 6"8. I have played him before and his height is legit, the worst I could see in 6"7 1/2.

[72-10]

Carmelo is about 6'6 1/2" so it makes sense Kobe is 2 inches shorter than him.

He's not two inches shorter. Are you just stupid? Melo has cornrows in. If he had a shaved head like Bryant he'd be just a few pieces of paper taller.

[High Potential]

thats not true Carmelo is 6"8. I have played him before and his height is legit, the worst I could see in 6"7 1/2.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KenyonandMELo.jpg
Kenyon Martin is 6-8 3/4 while Carmelo Anthony is 6'6 1/4


:roll: :roll: :roll:
This is fun

[High Potential]

He's not two inches shorter. Are you just stupid? Melo has cornrows in. If he had a shaved head like Bryant he'd be just a few pieces of paper taller.
Denial is just a river in Egypt son.

[72-10]

Denial is just a river in Egypt son.

How dumb are you? There is nothing that does more to make you appear taller than your HAIR does. It's located directly on top of your head. If Melo shaved his head, he'd be maybe 1/2 inch taller than Kobe.

[High Potential]

How dumb are you? There is nothing that does more to make you appear taller than your HAIR does. It's located directly on top of your head. If Melo shaved his head, he'd be maybe 1/2 inch taller than Kobe.
http://s4.tinypic.com/2vsmcgo.jpg

[72-10]

Kobe is a good 2 inches taller than Wade - either way it's all relative.:banana:

[hoopaddict08]

How about if you had to draft Derrick Rose or


Jay Williams (before injury) who would you chose?

http://www.bballone.com/jayw/bulls/images/bulls7_resize.jpg

[steve]

How about if you had to draft Derrick Rose or


Jay Williams (before injury) who would you chose?

http://www.bballone.com/jayw/bulls/images/bulls7_resize.jpg
I wouldn't surprised if Rose had a similar rookie season (of course Del Negro isn't going to jerk his minutes around like Cartwright did with Williams).

[72-10]

I think Rose has more potential than Williams did, and I think he'll be better in his rookie season than Williams was.

[joma11]

That's called the angle, you idiot. Not to mention that he's leaning in one picture while TMac in on the front of his foot, hence appearing taller than he actually is.

Kobe has stood side by side with Jordan, both with shoes on. He is pretty much the exact same height as Jordan. With shoes on Jordan is a true 6'6".
i like the 'idiot' word.
maybe he views by single eye and can't judge the distance.

[allball]

I'll take Rose please. He would average 30 a game in the Euroleague.
Guys who starred in the Euroleague:

Maceo Baston
Trajan Langdon
Anthony Parker
Will Bynum
Sam Clancy

Bench players if they play at all in the NBA.

He's going against statues.

Bring him on.

[FireMcFailPlease]

i think people are overrating roses ability to score just a tad too much

[ljsbb27]

has anybody seen rubio's jumper? its horrible. his form is terrible. what about his strength? non existent. d rose is quicker, stronger, more athletic, and has better leadership. rubio would be a mismatch defensively he would be too weak to guard most players. and he seems to me like he would have alot of turnovers. D Rose anyday over that guy.

[highhopes]

has anybody seen rubio's jumper? its horrible. his form is terrible. what about his strength? non existent. d rose is quicker, stronger, more athletic, and has better leadership. rubio would be a mismatch defensively he would be too weak to guard most players. and he seems to me like he would have alot of turnovers. D Rose anyday over that guy.

His shot needs work, but it's not terrible.

Also, remember that Rubio is only just turning 18 years old and has been playing against top competition since he was a 16 year old. And standing at 6'3=6'4 and 190 or so lbs, he's can definitely hold his own against the stronger defenders. It's not as if though he relies on strength for defense, it's his craftiness and ability to see the pass coming that makes him a good defender.

The main point, however, is that Rubio is 17 and Rose is turning 20. I believe that the years a player most develops is right now for Rubio and I believe he's really going to show what he's made off this coming season.

[ljsbb27]

i believe alot of players would have the ability to post rubio up easily where they would definately have a harder time posting up rose. and ive seen rubio get carried away with his attempts at steals and passes. i think defensively he would take too many chances and gambles in the passing lanes and be beat. and his passes would create alot of turnovers. he would have a hard time against the quickness and strength agaisnt nba point guards and also the length and mobility of nba big men. and most importantly i think rose is a natural born leader that can bring the best out of his teamates where i dont see rubio ever developing that ability. he has skill without a doubt but lets not get carried away. d rose doesnt have many weaknesses all around. where rubio still has to show he can play here and definately has more to work on both on the defensive and offensive end.

[ljsbb27]

and just one more thing: i agree with one of the previous comments about the guys that starred in the league rubio played in. they are at the end of the bench of nba teams at best and majority would never make an nba team. where a lot of players rose has played against and dominated are going to be in the league.

[stevieming]

I rate Rubio, and I honestly think he is going to turn out to be a hell of a point guard as a true assist man, with D.......

Once I watch the olympics, I'll get even a better idea....

I hope China doesn't get killed....they always play so lame against euro competition.

[mrhoopfan]

I watched Rubio's highlights on youtuvbe and the guy looks good; however I also youtubed Sarunas Jasikevicius' highlights and he looked darn near like a European Magic Johnson.......so i'm not sure about the youngster

[mrhoopfan]

I watched Rubio's highlights on youtuvbe and the guy looks good; however I also youtubed Sarunas Jasikevicius' highlights and he looked darn near like a European Magic Johnson.......so i'm not sure about the youngster

[mrhoopfan]

I watched Rubio's highlights on youtuvbe and the guy looks good; however I also youtubed Sarunas Jasikevicius' highlights and he looked darn near like a European Magic Johnson.......so i'm not sure about the youngster

[berraco]

Rubio has tons of potential. He has a lot of strenghts (long arms, good man on man and help defense, amazing handling skills and court vision, and good game knowledge for his age) to be a floor general and some clear weaknesses (athleticism, body strength, and his jump shot is bad). The good thing is that he is 17 and can still learn a lot. And that he is being tested at a professional level and is living to the hype. Next season will be very important for him because he will be THE man on his team, since Rudy Fernandez opted out to come to Portland.
Rose is a different style, he does not look as good as Rubio in the classic point guard sense, but he is obviously a special player, as you all know.
I would take one or the other depending the other players I have and the game style I want to play. I can see more people taking Rose because he looks more suited for NBA (a fantastic player with outstanding athleticism).

[R.I.P.]

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/__Story_Inserts/graphics/__SPORTS/__N-Z/USA_basketball_team.jpg

How do you explain this, perhaps a much more recent picture?

Oh by the way, did you notice that you can't see the entire lengths of their bodies in the photo you posted?

And apparently a college basketball news source is more reliable than the NBA?:confusedshrug:

Oh please. The WTA Tour tennis website asks their female players how much they weight. Do you think that is accurate, because it is "official"? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[R.I.P.]

i believe alot of players would have the ability to post rubio up easily where they would definately have a harder time posting up rose. and ive seen rubio get carried away with his attempts at steals and passes. i think defensively he would take too many chances and gambles in the passing lanes and be beat. and his passes would create alot of turnovers. he would have a hard time against the quickness and strength agaisnt nba point guards and also the length and mobility of nba big men.

Sounds like something people would say about AI.

Btw, how many of the big PGs do still post up? That part of the game is virtually non-existent with the new rules. Now it

[R.I.P.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvnKmfAe-Bg&feature=related

I don

[Bulls2333]

Never seen Rick Rubio play before this thread. Thank you for the introduction. That guy is ridiculous!!!!!!!! And I'm just watching clips. If this guy goes to the NBA in the future, he'll light it up.

[berraco]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Sounds like something people would say about AI.

Btw, how many of the big PGs do still post up? That part of the game is virtually non-existent with the new rules. [B]Now it

[Younggrease]

I'll take Rose please. He would average 30 a game in the Euroleague.
Guys who starred in the Euroleague:

Maceo Baston
Trajan Langdon
Anthony Parker
Will Bynum
Sam Clancy

Bench players if they play at all in the NBA.

He's going against statues.

Bring him on.

Didnt some of these guys starr in the NCAA. The same place Rose played. Its not Rubio's fault he is not old enough to attend college yet. So he decided to play in a supieror league during his teen years

[picc84]

Who's Rubio playing for in the Oly, and when can I see him?

[clipps]

Great question. Who's career was least disappointing out of the 2.

[PeroAntic]

Rose adapted his game after several ACL tears to stay reliable as a scorer. Meanwhile Rubio's career high field goal percentage is 41. after his defence plummeted its no longer a question who is more effective.

[RRR3]

Rose before he got injured was far better. Since Rose got injured I’ll take Rubio though.

[Xiao Yao You]

Probably Ricky as lng as it's a bench role

[PeroAntic]

Rose before he got injured was far better. Since Rose got injured I’ll take Rubio though.

Sure, pick the guy who can't hit the basket from anywhere on the floor, over one of the best rim finishers and midrange shooters in the game in his position. Smart choice.

[Xiao Yao You]

Sure, pick the guy who can't hit the basket from anywhere on the floor, over one of the best rim finishers and midrange shooters in the game in his position. Smart choice.

Ricky can hit from the mid range and the line. Plays with a lot of energy which is nice off the bench

[RRR3]

Sure, pick the guy who can't hit the basket from anywhere on the floor, over one of the best rim finishers and midrange shooters in the game in his position. Smart choice.
Rose has a TS% of 51.4, he ****ing sucks. He’s sucked literally every year since 2012 besides 19 and 20 and now he’s right back to his bricklaying ways.

[PeroAntic]

Rose has a TS% of 51.4, he ****ing sucks. He’s sucked literally every year since 2012 besides 19 and 20 and now he’s right back to his bricklaying ways.

Rubio has a TS of 47 :oldlol: even in a down year in which Rose has switched teams, hes still better. Since you want to take this season as benchmark and not the last two, Rubio has a BPM of -4 :facepalm

last two seasons Rose finished around the rim 65 and 66 percent.

[RRR3]

Rubio has a TS of 47 :oldlol: even in a down year in which Rose has switched teams, hes still better. Since you want to take this season as benchmark and not the last two, Rubio has a BPM of -4 :facepalm

last two seasons Rose finished around the rim 65 and 66 percent.
That doesn’t change the fact that Rubio was better every year from 13 through 18. So in general he’s been better since 2012 like I said.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rose or LaVine should be the question. Two elite superstars

[PeroAntic]

Rose or LaVine should be the question. Two elite superstars

no, Gobert or Hibbert should be the question

[clipps]

Rose or LaVine should be the question. Two elite superstars

Then go start yourself a ****ing thread, shit brain.

[Xiao Yao You]

Then go start yourself a ****ing thread, shit brain.

another stupid thread. Just what ISH needs!

[Manny98]

no, Gobert or Hibbert should be the question
:roll: