Will Smith is one villain role away from going down as a top 5 actor ALL TIME

[Dizzle-2k7]

He's done it all.. rap, hit sitcom, comedies, thrillers, suspense, heros... all he needs is that "denzel in training day" role and he goes down top 5 actor all time... up there with John Wayne, Marlon Brando, Tom Hanks, etc.

And he's still very young.. imagine how many more great movies this cat can pump out before all is said and done.

:bowdown: Will Smith :bowdown:

[Skywalker]

:applause:

Will Smith is the man.

[embersyc]

WTF. Every Will Smith movie sucks.

[Jackass18]

Is this a joke?

Brando has been brilliant in more than 1 film.

[ConanRulesNBC]

I'm a huge fan of Will Smith's but there is no way he's a top 5 best actor of all time... not even close to being in the top 10.

[Dasher]

Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role? No thanks. Will Smith is not top 5 either.
On the Water Front, Streetcar, Godfather, The Last Tango in Paris, I could go on. Brando is easily top 5 dead or alive. Will would have to get 4 straight academy nods before he could think about getting on the Brando level.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Actually, I mean it's cool if he's in your top five favorite actors. I don't think there is a "greatest actor" or "greatest movie" it just comes down to different tastes.

My personal top five favorite actors...

1.) Robert De Niro
2.) Jack Nicholson
3.) Tom Hanks
4.) Kevin Spacey
5.) Clint Eastwood

[sixerfan82]

top 5 based on what, films overhyped?

first lets NOT count i am legend, the book is 10x what the movie WANTED to be

lets forget that i,robot existed because it's a walking advertisement

and while we're at it, hancock isn't a hero, he's an alcoholic. Is anyone's alcoholic relative a hero or a zero to you and your family?

BUT to be fair, i WILL give him Enemy of the State and Hitch as some of his better works, I actually believed his character in those films, ID4 is a stretch for me

will smith will never play a villain, he's got too much "kid" left in him to do it

now matt damon isn't top 5 either, but he could play a villain.

[High Potential]

Actors greater than Will Smith
Marlon Brandon
Laurence Olivier
Harrison Ford
Al Pacino
Robert Deniro
Matt Damon
Edward Norton
Christian Bale
Tom Hanks
Gary Oldman
Steve McQueen
Anthony Hopkins
Charlie Chaplin
Peter Sellers
John Malkovich
Jeremy Irons
Meryl Streep
Johnny Depp
Michael Caine
Tom Cruise
Nicholas Cage
Daniel Day Lewis


All actors who will be remembered as better than Will Smith.

Will Smith compares more to Arnold Schwartzennegar, he is not so much an actor as he is naturally charismatic.

[Fatal9]

Will Smith has yet to make ONE great movie.


Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role? No thanks.
are you serious :oldlol:

[High Potential]

Also Will Smith could never be a good villain because the audience would always root for him over whoever the hero is. If they turned him into a bad guy who raped and killed babies or something, to force the audience to hate him, no one would buy it. Will Smith will never be an effective villain.

[mmsupra]

Arnold ..get down now!!

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

top 5 in no order

Jonah Hill
Seth Rogen
Will Ferrell
Owen Wilson
Homer Simpson

[High Potential]

Meh. I don't like Brando 'cause he was a pompous ass. Thought he was too good for the movie industry and decided to demand large amounts of money. That's the reason I don't respect him.

And has anyone even seen more than 5-7 Marlon Brando movies? There are some of you guys around here, but I bet a lot of you are just basing his acting career on Godfather.

Hell, look at this sh!t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja-IkMXRZNE&feature=related

It's all opinion, but I don't consider Marlo top 5. Top 10 maybe...
Why did you post a video by a crazy Brokeback Mountain fan claiming Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal as the top 2 actors of all time?

Also how can you fault Brando for asking for a ton of money to star in movies? Harrison Ford and Will smith do the exact same thing!!!

[Jackass18]

Here's a list of 100 actors better than Will Smith:

Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
Toshir

[Skywalker]

Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
[B]Toshir

[AppleNader]

Bold = who the F is that

Half those guys I do recognize seem liek a joke compared to Will Smith
How the hell have you never heard of guys like Marlon Brando and Gregory Peck

[SCY]

I like Smith but this is completely ridiculous to even suggest. The guy hasn't even been in a great movie yet.

[rezznor]

Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role? No thanks. Will Smith is not top 5 either.
:oldlol:

[rezznor]

[QUOTE=Skywalker]Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
[B]Toshir

[Good Old Willy]

Actors greater than Will Smith
Marlon Brandon
Laurence Olivier
Harrison Ford
Al Pacino
Robert Deniro
Matt Damon
Edward Norton
Christian Bale
Tom Hanks
Gary Oldman
Steve McQueen
Anthony Hopkins
Charlie Chaplin
Peter Sellers
John Malkovich
Jeremy Irons
Meryl Streep
Johnny Depp
Michael Caine
Tom Cruise
Nicholas Cage
Daniel Day Lewis


All actors who will be remembered as better than Will Smith.

Will Smith compares more to Arnold Schwartzennegar, he is not so much an actor as he is naturally charismatic.


Ok, Ok there are A LOT of great actors. But no way Will Smith is like Schwarz!

Smith has a breadth of talent like few other actors today.
Nicholas Cage - plays the SAME guy in every movie. Terribel actor
Al Pacino - play (almost) the SAME guy in every movie

WS was EXCELLENT in "Ali", "Six degrees of Separation" nevermind all the action and comedy flicks. He totally reinvented himself after Fresh Prince.

[Hawker]

Matt Damon is GOAT just b/c of Bourne.

[Good Old Willy]

...

Ouch. Not knowing all of the greats.

:rolleyes: That's bad....



I like Smith but this is completely ridiculous to even suggest. The guy hasn't even been in a great movie yet.

You should get out more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith#Filmography

[v-unit]

How is Hancock doing? Movie seems like the biggest pile of **** ever created. **** has no plot really. Everyone is freaking out about it, probebly because it's just Will Smith, but if that's the case, then he could possibly be one of the top 5 actors.

He will never be able to play a villian role though. NEVER

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

v-u7nit...hankcock is thje best selling movie out rite now. i seen it and loved it.

[Do The Shimi!]

will smith is definatly top 5 hottest actors out right now!

http://healthyhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/will-smith-new-school1.jpg

[playtetris]

are we being politically correct and grouping females as "actors", too? because if we are, there's no way will is even sniffing the top 100 :lol

i like the dude, he has charisma, but he is not a top notch actor. decent, serviceable, maybe even some noteworthy performances, but he is not at the top of the pile

[SCY]

You should get out more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith#Filmography

Which one of those is supposed to be great? I'll admit I haven't seen 6 Degrees or Enemy of the State, which are supposed to be good....but I really doubt they're great.

[DeuceWallaces]

[quote=Skywalker]Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
[B]Toshir

[Hotlantadude81]

John Wayne sucked as an actor and Will Smith on his best day is just above average.

[Hotlantadude81]

[QUOTE=Skywalker]Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
[B]Toshir

[Hotlantadude81]

Which one of those is supposed to be great? I'll admit I haven't seen 6 Degrees or Enemy of the State, which are supposed to be good....but I really doubt they're great.


Anytime you bring up Will Smith and his lack of great movies you will have people list that Six Degrees movie as if it's some sort of masterpiece or something. Seriously.

[Gundress]

I would hardly consider him among Marlon Brando and Tom Hanks. The man makes summer blockbusters, not award winning films. Brando has done A Streetcar Named Desire, On the Waterfront, The Godfather, and Apocalypse Now. Smith has done Pursuit of Happyness, Ali, and summer movies like Men In Black, I, Robot, and I am Legend. I like him and think he's a good actor, but the guy hasn't exactly been in roles that justify him as being up there with the best of all time.

I believe Will Smith would make a good villian. But they'd probably worry about losing potential dollars.

[Hotlantadude81]

I would hardly consider him among Marlon Brando and Tom Hanks. The man makes summer blockbusters, not award winning films. Brando has done A Streetcar Named Desire, On the Waterfront, The Godfather, and Apocalypse Now. Smith has done Pursuit of Happyness, Ali, and summer movies like Men In Black, I, Robot, and I am Legend. I like him and think he's a good actor, but the guy hasn't exactly been in roles that justify him as being up there with the best of all time.

I believe Will Smith would make a good villian. But they'd probably worry about losing potential dollars.


I don't know... His character seems so safe and P*ssy like. I can easily see Will Smith as being somebody that can't fight in real life. That makes it harder for me to even buy him as an action star.

[dawsey6]

[QUOTE=Jackass18]Here's a list of 100 actors better than Will Smith:

Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
Toshir

[embersyc]

Top five in recent times imo:

Edward Norton
Johnny Depp
Brad Pitt
Christian Bale
Samuel L Jackson

You could probably add Kevin Spacey to that list as Sixth Man.

[gts]

looking at that list.. there have been and still is alot of really good actors out there.. you kinda forget until you see a list like that and theres still some missing

[FOYE4MVP]

Al Pacino
Marlon Brando
Andy Garcia
James Caan
Robert Duvall

top 5 actors of all time


/thread

[gts]

Al Pacino
Marlon Brando
Andy Garcia
James Caan
Robert Duvall

top 5 actors of all time


/threadnot bashing your opinion by all means so please don't take it as such, but this thread really shows the age of some posters and or the movies they watch...

lol the godfather is obviously your favorite move, mine too

there's alot and i mean alot of actors that came before those on your list you only have one actor who was active in the 50's in brando, the rest all came into prominence in the 70's so your missing about 50 years of cinema history there...lol

[High Potential]

not bashing your opinion by all means so please don't take it as such, but this thread really shows the age of some posters and or the movies they watch...

lol the godfather is obviously your favorite move, mine too

there's alot and i mean alot of actors that came before those on your list you only have one actor who was active in the 50's in brando, the rest all came into prominence in the 70's so your missing about 50 years of cinema history there...lol
Toshiro Mifune!!!
Omar Sharif!

Western actors are not the only actors in the world!

Sean Connery
Kevin Spacey
Marlon Brando
Gary Oldman
Meryl Streep

Will Smith will never be a better actor than any of the 7 people I listed. He is naturally charismatic. Charisma does not equal acting chops.

[XxNeXuSxX]

Fonda (big), Brando, Stewart, Wells, Chaplin

[Kumo]

Can we stop quoting that huge list?! Honestly....

I think Will is a quality actor...top 5? Probably not. Top 30? Most likely.
He couldn't play a villain though..thats like putting Will Ferrel (exxageration) in a bad guy spot. Noone would buy it.

[catzhernandez]

I was just having this conversation the other night, Will Smith is the biggest movie star in America right now. Hands down.

:bowdown:

Good thread. :applause:

But top 5 all time? I'm not so sure....

[High Potential]

Can we stop quoting that huge list?! Honestly....

I think Will is a quality actor...top 5? Probably not. Top 30? Most likely.
He couldn't play a villain though..thats like putting Will Ferrel (exxageration) in a bad guy spot. Noone would buy it.
Ever seen Zoolander?
http://www.movievillains.com/images/mugatu.jpg

[catzhernandez]

Ever seen Zoolander?
http://www.movievillains.com/images/mugatu.jpg
:roll::roll:

[Kumo]

Ever seen Zoolander?
http://www.movievillains.com/images/mugatu.jpg

Yep, I buy that :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

Actors greater than Will Smith
Marlon Brandon
Laurence Olivier
Harrison Ford
Al Pacino
Robert Deniro
Matt Damon
Edward Norton
Christian Bale
Tom Hanks
Gary Oldman
Steve McQueen
Anthony Hopkins
Charlie Chaplin
Peter Sellers
John Malkovich
Jeremy Irons
Meryl Streep
Johnny Depp
Michael Caine
Tom Cruise
Nicholas Cage
Daniel Day Lewis


All actors who will be remembered as better than Will Smith.

Will Smith compares more to Arnold Schwartzennegar, he is not so much an actor as he is naturally charismatic.
Daniel Day-Lewis should be at the top. He is the greatest actor... ever. Thinking that a guy like Will Smith would be even mentioned in the same thread as Day-Lewis is a joke.

Daniel Day-Lewis drinks every other actor's milk shake.
No homo.. it is a line from There Will Be Blood.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Oh god. Like the kiddies saying Wayne is one of the best rappers of all-time.

[CAAIDN]

The Pursuit of Happyness.Nuff said

[Killer_Instinct]

Will Smith is the Kobe of acting. Great, but for some unknown reason, regardless that he continues to accomplish amazing feats, he still supposedly sucks. Amazing.

[chains5000]

Top 5 ALL TIME?
You haven't seen many films...

[catzhernandez]

Oh god. Like the kiddies saying Wayne is one of the best rappers of all-time.
He's good....

[MarloStanfield]

[QUOTE=Skywalker]Edward Norton
Harrison Ford
Charlie Chaplin
[B]Toshir

[ALBballer]

Robert DeNiro
Leonardo DiCaprio
Marlon Brando
Edward Norton
Kevin Spacey

That would be my top 5 (in no particular order.)

[johndeeregreen]

It's all opinion, but I don't consider Marlo top 5. Top 10 maybe...
I really don't think anybody that's seen 5-7 of his movies would say that. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but your earlier comment plus this one really makes it seem like you aren't really familiar with Brando's work at all.

[Jackass18]

I think Will is a quality actor...top 5? Probably not. Top 30? Most likely.

Explain to me how Will Smith would be in the top 30. He's not even close.

[Hotlantadude81]

On another note, Beyonce is rapidly becoming one of the best actresses of all time. Meryl Streep lookout!

[InspiredLebowski]

Hey look, it's Will Smith playing....Will Smith! The guy's alright, and certainly massively evolved as an actor, but jesus harry christ, c'mon.

[DeuceWallaces]

On another note, Beyonce is rapidly becoming one of the best actresses of all time. Meryl Streep lookout!

She single handily ruined Austin Powers 3.

[Dizzle-2k7]

yall are trippin on Will Smith.. how quickly you forget this dude did ALI.. theres no doubt he could play a wickedass villain if the right script comes along.

i am legend is a classic.. dont compare it to the book because books are always hard to match. all his movies are blockbusters, but once he catches that training day or no country for oldmen type of role he's gonna go down as a legend. just wait and remember this thread.

[Gundress]

Wait a min....I almost forget that Will Smith was the bad guy in 6 Degrees of Separation

[EricForman]

Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role? No thanks. Will Smith is not top 5 either.


LOL at this guy. I hope you're under 20 because that's just ridiculous.

Acting is very tough to narrow down to five, in fact based on different opinions it's IMPOSSIBLE narrow down to an official five best.

But let's just say Brando would get more votes for "five best actors ever" than all but maybe 3 people on earth.

[Jackass18]

yall are trippin on Will Smith.. how quickly you forget this dude did ALI.. theres no doubt he could play a wickedass villain if the right script comes along.

i am legend is a classic.. dont compare it to the book because books are always hard to match. all his movies are blockbusters, but once he catches that training day or no country for oldmen type of role he's gonna go down as a legend. just wait and remember this thread.

It's nice that you feel he's one of the best, but don't expect many others to buy into that BS, as well.

[High Potential]

Stop contradicting yourself mayne. It's not good for the heart.

Edit: I don't understand why it's such a travesty that I don't like Marlon Brando. I am 19, and I've seen his films. I don't like him and he is not top 5. If he never played in Godfather, would you still regard him as high? NO. Because some of you are homers that like that movie so much, you overrate him. How many other movies of his have you seen? Not that many I believe.
It doesn't matter if you don't like him, but how can you not see his talent?

I mean, look at it like basketball, it's ok if you don't like Jordan, but it's hard to understand that you don't see how he is one of the most talented men to play the game ever.

[RedBlackAttack]

GOAT = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTH2TilmmAk

[johndeeregreen]

I am 19, and I've seen his films.
I don't believe you. If you'd seen Brando in more than "The Godfather," you wouldn't have said "based on one role." I'm really not trying to be a jerk, and if you don't like Brando that's fine, but let's end this facade right now with you admitting you haven't seen him in more than one or two films. Nobody who's seen Brando in his other stuff would have said that. They just wouldn't.

[Roy Munson]

GOAT = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTH2TilmmAk

Don't forget about this one. My favorite scene ever. Best soundtrack as well.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5SoeDAPj6gg

[johndeeregreen]

Julius Caesar (my favorite movie of his)
The Wild One
On The Waterfront
Sayonara (an obvious one for me)
Godfather
The Freshman

Now let's see some of the Marlon Brando homers name the movies they saw.
I would have to say "A Streetcar Named Desire" and "Apocalypse Now" are absolute MUST sees, for starters, even if I think he gets self-absorbed in "Apocalypse." I wouldn't call myself a homer though. I'm just still confused why you'd say "based on one role." And if you don't think him in "Waterfront" is the stuff legends are made of, then I hate you.

[brandonislegend]

Denzel Washington is the jordan

Will smith is to nick van exel

[sixerfan82]

Denzel Washington is the jordan

Will smith is to nick van exel

i believe this man just ended the thread

[Jackass18]

Now let's see some of the Marlon Brando homers name the movies they saw.

I haven't seen a lot, but I'll list them:

The Godfather
On The Waterfront
Apocalypse Now
The Wild One
The Score
The Appaloosa
Superman
The Freshman
The Island of Dr. Moreau

[RidonKs]

Nicholas Cage - plays the SAME guy in every movie. Terribel actor
See, I don't even really like Cage all that much, but you just can't deny his talent. Adaptation (might be my favourite movie of all time), Leaving Las Vegas, The Weatherman, etc, he's been in a bunch of really fantastic roles, roles that don't just show him doing a solid/noteworthy job, but really transforming the movie into something great. I'm convinced there are only a very small handful of actors who could've done what he did with Adaptation. His only problem is his inexplicable inability to turn down the garbage. Because for every one of the aforementioned films that he makes, we get a National Treasure, or a Ghost Rider, or god knows what else. He can be a tremendous actor, but he's in so many ****ty big budget summer blockbusters that people seem to forget.


And oh jeez, and how can I forget his greatest performance of all time?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPO/505183~Wicker-Man-Posters.jpg

GOAT. And no, as much as you all want it to be, that isn't sarcasm.


And just to chime in, this reply:

Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role? No thanks. Will Smith is not top 5 either.
Doesn't sound like you consider him top 10 at all. And every reply after it just sounds like a backtrack. But that's just what it sounds like.

[JayGuevara]

Here's a list of 100 actors better than Will Smith:

Ray Liotta

Roy Scheider


Ray Liotta? Really? Everytime I think of Ray Liotta I think of Operation Dumbo Drop and Wild Hogs. (With the exception of Goodfellas)

And upon first glance I thought that "Roy Scheider" said Rob Schneider and I began concocting a plan to be able to stab you through the internet.

[paperstreet]

Actors greater than Will Smith
Marlon Brandon
Laurence Olivier
Harrison Ford
Al Pacino
Robert Deniro
Matt Damon
Edward Norton
Christian Bale
Tom Hanks
Gary Oldman
Steve McQueen
Anthony Hopkins
Charlie Chaplin
Peter Sellers
John Malkovich
Jeremy Irons
Meryl Streep
Johnny Depp
Michael Caine
Tom Cruise
Nicholas Cage
Daniel Day Lewis


All actors who will be remembered as better than Will Smith..

According to wikipedia. "He is the only actor in history to have eight consecutive films gross over $100 million in the domestic box office." He is a popular guy, but of all time? I don't know. He seems to play a version of himself in alot of movies. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I'm not sure about top 5 all time. Smith is a great popcorn movie actor, but his roles in serious acting roles may hurt his rep in the long run.

I'm pretty young, so I don't know Brando and Olivier other than a few roles. So I'll hold off on those two. Their reputation suggests they are some of the GOATs.
Harrison Ford- Sure he's Han Solo and Indiana Jones. He was also Jack Ryan in a few flicks. I'll say he's the career equivalent to Will Smith. He hasn't radically changed all perceptions about him as an actor some of the list has. EDGE: even


Al Pacino - He's got Scarface and the Godfather. Both more serious acting roles than Smith. Edge: Pacino.

Deniro- For sure. Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull. All better than Smith has so far. Edge: Deniro

Matt Damon - He's played a number of roles perfectly. In Good Will Hunting, the talented mr ripley, the bourne movies, and hell, even Dogma, he's got smith beat easily. Edge: Damon.

Norton - Fight Club, the Illusionist. Red Dragon. All good films. But going down all time as better than Smith? I don't think so. He's never had the box office appeal to carry a film as well as Smith. He may be a better actor per say, but I think Smith has him beat in terms of box office appeal. Edge: Smith

Bale - Has had a few flops, but Batman Begins, THe Machinist, The Prestige, and American Psycho makes Bale the clearly better actor with Box office appeal yet to come. Edge easily: Bale

Tom Hanks - Defintely. Philadelphia and Forrest Gump trump anything in Smith's repitoire. Edge: Hanks.

That's five as is. Denzel is better too. top 5 all time? I don't think so. Until he can take a step back, and take on some real, well recieved, dramatic roles I think Smith can never be considered one of the Best of all time. Again, I really like the guy, and Enemy of the State was awesome, but he needs to reinvent himself in a role like Bale did for Batman, De Niro in Raging Bull, Hanks in Gump, or Damon in Ripley. All these guys have the great pedigree, as well as the box office sales to match. Smith needs a scene stealing role, like Denzel ****ting on Ethan Hawk in Training Day. It seems like he is always the unquestioned star, rather than sharing with a challenge of a costar.

Top 5 all time? Simply put, nope.

[LJJ]

If he never played in Godfather, would you still regard him as high? NO. Because some of you are homers that like that movie so much, you overrate him. How many other movies of his have you seen? Not that many I believe.
Yes, cause I've seen Apocalypse Now and On The Waterfront.

It's true that Brando, while having starred in a huge number of movies, only played in maybe 7 movies worth watching.

But he still played four roles that rightfully belong in any "greatest acting" discussion. That's impressive, and puts Brando in the upper-upper echelon of actors.

[Jackass18]

Ray Liotta? Really? Everytime I think of Ray Liotta I think of Operation Dumbo Drop and Wild Hogs. (With the exception of Goodfellas)

I don't remember ODD and a friend told me to stay away from Wild Hogs, so I don't know if I'll ever watch that. When I think of Liotta I think of Goodfellas, Field of Dreams and Narc.

[Jackass18]

Harrison Ford- Sure he's Han Solo and Indiana Jones. He was also Jack Ryan in a few flicks. I'll say he's the career equivalent to Will Smith. He hasn't radically changed all perceptions about him as an actor some of the list has. EDGE: even

Even? Are you serious? Ford >>> Smith.


Norton - Fight Club, the Illusionist. Red Dragon. All good films. But going down all time as better than Smith? I don't think so. He's never had the box office appeal to carry a film as well as Smith. He may be a better actor per say, but I think Smith has him beat in terms of box office appeal. Edge: Smith

Who gives a sh!t about box office appeal? Norton is one of the best current actors. Norton >>>>> Smith.

[kenuffff]

this thread is hilarious. marlon brando is not top 5! who is orson welles? thats hilarious im sorry if you don't know who orson welles was you shouldn't even comment on a movie thread peroid.

[Skywalker]

GOAT = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTH2TilmmAk

WTF was that.

[Roy Munson]

WTF was that.

Some of the best acting you'll ever see.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Bale - Has had a few flops, but Batman Begins, THe Machinist, The Prestige, and American Psycho makes Bale the clearly better actor with Box office appeal yet to come. Edge easily: Bale

People forget that he was the main character of possibly one of the greatest war movies ever.

EMPIRE of the SUN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02BBtN-P0lc&feature=related

(also Rescue Dawn kicked @ss)

[mongePR(kb24)]

According to wikipedia. "He is the only actor in history to have eight consecutive films gross over $100 million in the domestic box office." He is a popular guy, but of all time? I don't know. He seems to play a version of himself in alot of movies. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I'm not sure about top 5 all time. Smith is a great popcorn movie actor, but his roles in serious acting roles may hurt his rep in the long run.

I'm pretty young, so I don't know Brando and Olivier other than a few roles. So I'll hold off on those two. Their reputation suggests they are some of the GOATs.
Harrison Ford- Sure he's Han Solo and Indiana Jones. He was also Jack Ryan in a few flicks. I'll say he's the career equivalent to Will Smith. He hasn't radically changed all perceptions about him as an actor some of the list has. EDGE: even


Al Pacino - He's got Scarface and the Godfather. Both more serious acting roles than Smith. Edge: Pacino.

Deniro- For sure. Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull. All better than Smith has so far. Edge: Deniro

Matt Damon - He's played a number of roles perfectly. In Good Will Hunting, the talented mr ripley, the bourne movies, and hell, even Dogma, he's got smith beat easily. Edge: Damon.

Norton - Fight Club, the Illusionist. Red Dragon. All good films. But going down all time as better than Smith? I don't think so. He's never had the box office appeal to carry a film as well as Smith. He may be a better actor per say, but I think Smith has him beat in terms of box office appeal. Edge: Smith

Bale - Has had a few flops, but Batman Begins, THe Machinist, The Prestige, and American Psycho makes Bale the clearly better actor with Box office appeal yet to come. Edge easily: Bale

Tom Hanks - Defintely. Philadelphia and Forrest Gump trump anything in Smith's repitoire. Edge: Hanks.

That's five as is. Denzel is better too. top 5 all time? I don't think so. Until he can take a step back, and take on some real, well recieved, dramatic roles I think Smith can never be considered one of the Best of all time. Again, I really like the guy, and Enemy of the State was awesome, but he needs to reinvent himself in a role like Bale did for Batman, De Niro in Raging Bull, Hanks in Gump, or Damon in Ripley. All these guys have the great pedigree, as well as the box office sales to match. Smith needs a scene stealing role, like Denzel ****ting on Ethan Hawk in Training Day. It seems like he is always the unquestioned star, rather than sharing with a challenge of a costar.

Top 5 all time? Simply put, nope.
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[/END_THREAD]

[~LA's fine$t~]

Not even close.

Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, Daniel Day Lewis, Marlon Brando and Jimmy Stewart are probably my top 5 actors of all time.

My list changes a lot...but those 5 are always at the top of the list.

[RedBlackAttack]

Al Pacino - He's got Scarface and the Godfather. Both more serious acting roles than Smith. Edge: Pacino.

Deniro- For sure. Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull. All better than Smith has so far. Edge: Deniro

Matt Damon - He's played a number of roles perfectly. In Good Will Hunting, the talented mr ripley, the bourne movies, and hell, even Dogma, he's got smith beat easily. Edge: Damon.

Norton - Fight Club, the Illusionist. Red Dragon. All good films. But going down all time as better than Smith? I don't think so. He's never had the box office appeal to carry a film as well as Smith. He may be a better actor per say, but I think Smith has him beat in terms of box office appeal. Edge: Smith

Bale - Has had a few flops, but Batman Begins, THe Machinist, The Prestige, and American Psycho makes Bale the clearly better actor with Box office appeal yet to come. Edge easily: Bale

Tom Hanks - Defintely. Philadelphia and Forrest Gump trump anything in Smith's repitoire. Edge: Hanks.

That's five as is. Denzel is better too.
I agree with your post, but you need to check out some Daniel Day-Lewis.

I'd recommend There Will Be Blood, My Left Foot, The Last of the Mohicans, Gangs of New York, or In the Name of the Father, but the guy has never failed to give an epic performance in every film that he has ever been in.

I took several film classes throughout college and like to think of myself as a film aficionado...

I consider Day-Lewis to be the best actor of this generation and probably the best actor to ever live.

Daniel Day-Lewis = Michael Jordan

[-primetime-]

I don't see many people listing Depp...


i would love to see Will Smith try and pull off "Captain Jack Sparrow" :rolleyes:



seriously though, Depp has pulled off some of the most amazing characters I have ever seen....he is very talented to say the least...and has amazing range

[Dasher]

Comedic acting seems to be getting underrated in this threat. Tom Hanks>Day Lewis because of his advanced comedic AND dramatic chops.

[RedBlackAttack]

Comedic acting seems to be getting underrated in this threat. Tom Hanks>Day Lewis because of his advanced comedic AND dramatic chops.
No way.

Tom Hanks = Patrick Ewing
Daniel Day-Lewis = Michael Jordan

I don't even put Hanks on his level. You won't see any turds like The Terminal or The Ladykillers on Day-Lewis' resume.

[Dasher]

Tom Hanks=MJ

Lady Killersetc= Washington Wizards, Bobcats

[RedBlackAttack]

Tom Hanks=MJ

Lady Killersetc= Washington Wizards, Bobcats
:oldlol:

If The Ladykillers was the Wizards/Bobcats, what was You've Got Mail? That must have been his Birmingham Barons moment, right? :oldlol:

How about Turner and Hooch?

The fact of the matter is, there are a lot of turds on Hanks' resume... way too many to be on Day-Lewis' level. Like I said... the man has never failed to give an epic performance.

[Quickness]

one of my favorite actors, although I am surprised about how high rated he is.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Tom Hanks is an exceptionally well rounded actor, and I will always say Brad Pitt is about as underrated as they come.

He has starred in so many great movies I've lost count, and has delivered in every single one of them.

I will always consider Don Cheadle a better actor then Denzel, and HE IS.

[RedBlackAttack]

Tom Hanks is an exceptionally well rounded actor, and I will always say Brad Pitt is about as underrated as they come.

He has starred in so many great movies I've lost count, and has delivered in every single one of them.

I will always consider Don Cheadle a better actor then Denzel, and HE IS.
Don't get me wrong... I think Tom Hanks is a terrific actor. His work in Castaway was particularly astounding. He has some great characters and phenomenal movies under his belt.

I just wouldn't put him up against Day-Lewis.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Don't get me wrong... I think Tom Hanks is a terrific actor. His work in Castaway was particularly astounding. He has some great characters and phenomenal movies under his belt.

I just wouldn't put him up against Day-Lewis.

Me either, but who can compete against THAT?
Only Pacino and De Niro (IMO) are on the same level as Daniel Day-Lewis.
I personally didn't like Gangs of New York THAT much, but because of DDL it's one of my all-time favorite. And I believe out of the young actors, DiCaprio is heads and shoulders above anyone. He is climbing the ladder rather fast, just too many epic performances from him. Titanic (had me crying near the end), The Departed, Gangs of NY, Catch Me If You Can, Basketball Diaries, Blood Diamond...all great movies mainly because of his performance.

J.Phoenix and C.Bale are two actors people shoudn't sleep on, by the end of their days they just might be two actors I'd put on that prestige level.

[imjustlikemusiq]

The greats of this newer generation are Clooney, Downey Jr., Washington, Dicaprio, and Damon.

Honorable mention to Norton, Bale, and Crowe.

[imjustlikemusiq]

Ah, I slept on Day-Lewis and Depp. Man, making these lists is really impossible. Will Smith isn't up there, though, he is a very good actor, but more of a summer blockbuster type-guy (except in six degrees of seperation). His acting chops, though, don't compare with a lot of the guys I listed.

[Hotlantadude81]

The greats of this newer generation are Clooney, Downey Jr., Washington, Dicaprio, and Damon.

Honorable mention to Norton, Bale, and Crowe.

Denzel is overrated. Has been for years.

[imjustlikemusiq]

Denzel is overrated. Has been for years.
He delivers the same role a lot, but he has had some real gems. Malcolm X is probably one of the great films of all time and a lot of that is because of Washington's performance, IMO. Also, can't forget about his role in The Hurricane, GREAT GREAT movie.

[Hotlantadude81]

He delivers the same role a lot, but he has had some real gems. Malcolm X is probably one of the great films of all time and a lot of that is because of Washington's performance, IMO. Also, can't forget about his role in The Hurricane, GREAT GREAT movie.

I was meaning his performances more of this decade than anything. He's not a weakness really... Just, not great. I own: Remember the Titans, Out of Time, Inside Man, Training Day, American Gangster, Deja Vu, Malcolm X and The Bone Collector and I find them all entertaining with the exception of Deja Vu, but I just can't consider him a great actor right now.

Malcolm X
Training Day
Inside Man
Out of Time
Remember the Titans
American Gangster
The Bone Collector
Deja Vu

I'd rather those that I own in that order.

[rezznor]

Don't forget about this one. My favorite scene ever. Best soundtrack as well.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5SoeDAPj6gg
i love that whole chase sequence, and the music was perfect. just saw it again last week too.

[imjustlikemusiq]

My favorite Daniel Day Lewis movie = The Boxer

[Emile]

Will did such a great job playing Ali. He's just a natural. I disagree with those saying he can't act and gets by on his charisma. He is very charismatic but also a great actor. Claiming top 5 is likely pushing it but I enjoy most his movies. Just an incredible all around entertainer, he's done it all. Just has it.

[SCY]

No way.

Tom Hanks = Patrick Ewing
Daniel Day-Lewis = Michael Jordan

I don't even put Hanks on his level. You won't see any turds like The Terminal or The Ladykillers on Day-Lewis' resume.

How is that a fair comparison when Hanks has done so many more movies? Don't throw out the he "only takes good projects" card, because it just ain't true. The only great actor who's never done a bad movie is John Cazale and that's only because, unfortunately, he died young.

I'm admittedly bashing movies I haven't seen, but what would you call Stars & Bars or Eversmile, New Jersey? I'd be very surprised if those were decent films. I have seen The Crucible, and it was mediocre at best (though DDL gave a good performance).

[Randy]

Ali is one of the worst movies I've ever heard people refer to as good or even great. I couldn't even finish that piece of garbage.

Skywalker:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/diyablo/epic-failure08.jpg

[unbreakable]

:pimp:

[The Magic Man]

I was meaning his performances more of this decade than anything. He's not a weakness really... Just, not great. I own: Remember the Titans, Out of Time, Inside Man, Training Day, American Gangster, Deja Vu, Malcolm X and The Bone Collector and I find them all entertaining with the exception of Deja Vu, but I just can't consider him a great actor right now.

Malcolm X
Training Day
Inside Man
Out of Time
Remember the Titans
American Gangster
The Bone Collector
Deja Vu

I'd rather those that I own in that order.


Okay. I'm loving the tone of this thread. No one is really arguing too much. Not a lot of name calling. It's really good convo right now. But I have to be honest. I want to stomp on your testicles and eat your children after that post. Are you kidding me? Malcolm X and Training Day alone showed how great of an actor he is. Cry Freedom? Dude wasn't the star but he did his thing. Hurricane? F*ckin Glory?!! Mississippi Masala! Hell, he got busy in He Got Game, showing his range. I'm a grown a$$ man and John Q damn near made a niqqa drop a tear (notice I said damn near). You got Anwone Fisher. Carbon Copy was my sh*t. Not really an indication of his skills, but the concept, companied with the time frame, was gold. You sh*tting on Pelican brief too? Man, Denzel may not be top 5 but he has to be recognized for his skill. Also, how was Deja Vu not entertaining? Say, you didn't get it, but don't say it wasn't entertaining.

BTW, no Poitier love?

[i seen hippos]

To this day I don't understand how Skywalker didn't know who actors such as Spencer Tracy and Gregory Peck were.

That's like a basketball fan not knowing who Charles Barkley is.

[pete's montreux]

I can't believe I never participated in this thread. :oldlol:

Lots of posters in here ripe for the taking.

[andgar923]

Wow..... what a retarded thread.

This is like saying:

"CarrotTop is one good joke away from being the GOAT"

Seriously.... WOW

[JayGuevara]

Okay so I gotta ask this though. For those of you lauding Brando and citing Apocalypse Now as a reason, would you care to explain that to me? Personally I did not find his performance to be that gripping in that movie. I basically saw a weird fat bald guy sitting in the shadows for the majority of his time on screen. And if I recall correctly, I had to keep turning up the TV when he spoke. Now I'm aware that most of those characteristics were not meant to be as such, and apparently were a direct result of Brando not preparing for the role at all. But personally, to me, the weird fat bald guy in the shadows pales in comparison to Kurtz in Heart Of Darkness.

I also would say that Dennis Hopper added much more to Apocalypse Now than Marlon Brando did.

P.S. - Has anyone mentioned Hopper among the upper tier? I always thought he was criminally underrated. His performance in Waterworld was easily the best part of the movie, though that's really not saying much. :oldlol:

[Raps4Life]

This sort of reminds me of the thread that states that Lebron is one championship away from being the GOAT. It sounds like it's been made by someone who has only watched movies in the last 10 years. Even then, Will Smith, who I do enjoy, is still not in the top 10 actors of the last decade.

Just because you only watch Lebron or Will Smith, doesn't mean he's the best.

[ukplayer4]

hmmm, i see what you mean but atleast lebron is a very good basketball player.

[Raps4Life]

hmmm, i see what you mean but atleast lebron is a very good basketball player.

And Will Smith is a very good actor. We can't discount the past because we haven't seen them.

[vapid]

These kind of threads are why I read ISH so often. :oldlol:

[ukplayer4]

And Will Smith is a very good actor. We can't discount the past because we haven't seen them.



no he isnt. lebron is the best player in the league right now, will smith is a big star but a middle of the road actor, he is more like the nate robinson of the movie world.

[PistolPete]

First role that still comes to mind when I think of Smith is the Fresh Prince.

[twolvesfan]

kevin spacey, ed norton, christian bale, Scarlett Johansson > *

[DonDadda59]

I'm one pushup away from going down as a top 5 bodybuilder ALL TIME.

[big baller]

Which one of those is supposed to be great? I'll admit I haven't seen 6 Degrees or Enemy of the State, which are supposed to be good....but I really doubt they're great.


both men in blacks, both bad boys, Ali, and Hitch were all great...never seen i robot (maybe have but forgot) or pursuit of happiness, they might be up their too.

But no he is not top 5 all time. Of my favorites, he is top 5, but thats MY favorites. Everyone has diff tastes.

[dnyk1337]

LOL@ my Brando comment. It got everyone riled up.

[Smokee]

Will Smith just needs 1 gangster movie, 1 WW2 movie, and probably a serious drug/alcoholic movie and he could be top 20.

[johndeeregreen]

LOL@ my Brando comment. It got everyone riled up.
Well, to be fair, it was pretty ****ing stupid.

[johndeeregreen]

Okay so I gotta ask this though. For those of you lauding Brando and citing Apocalypse Now as a reason, would you care to explain that to me? Personally I did not find his performance to be that gripping in that movie. I basically saw a weird fat bald guy sitting in the shadows for the majority of his time on screen. And if I recall correctly, I had to keep turning up the TV when he spoke. Now I'm aware that most of those characteristics were not meant to be as such, and apparently were a direct result of Brando not preparing for the role at all. But personally, to me, the weird fat bald guy in the shadows pales in comparison to Kurtz in Heart Of Darkness.

P.S. - Has anyone mentioned Hopper among the upper tier? I always thought he was criminally underrated. His performance in Waterworld was easily the best part of the movie, though that's really not saying much. :oldlol:
Apocalypse Now shouldn't be in the conversation with Brando's truly great roles. Personally I think the scenes with him dragged on far beyond necessity. Most people probably reference AN because it's the most recent film they've seen Brando in.

[KeylessEntry]

Will Smith is one more album away from top 5 greatest rapper of all time too.

[dnyk1337]

Well, to be fair, it was pretty ****ing stupid.

Not really. The guy is Dwight overrated.

[johndeeregreen]

[


Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role?

Just plain stupid, and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't have deleted that post.:oldlol:

[JayGuevara]

Apocalypse Now shouldn't be in the conversation with Brando's truly great roles. Personally I think the scenes with him dragged on far beyond necessity. Most people probably reference AN because it's the most recent film they've seen Brando in.

Yes. I can't really describe his performance, but I know for a fact that he sure as **** wasn't Kurtz from Heart Of Darkness. His final words may have been "The horror, the horror", but that's where the similarities end. Granted, I don't think the script could really call for him to be that Kurtz so much, but I think he could have done a lot more with that role.

In discussing Brando though, we should also all pay homage to the masterpiece that was The Island Of Dr. Moreau. An epic performance by Brando, Val Kilmer, and Ron Perlman as "The Sayer Of The Law"

[dnyk1337]

[


Just plain stupid, and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't have deleted that post.:oldlol:

I didn't delete it. Plus why would I delete it if I was quoted over 5 times?:confusedshrug:

[BankShot]

top 5 based on what, films overhyped?

first lets NOT count i am legend, the book is 10x what the movie WANTED to be


If we're going to judge actors/roles and movies on if they're better or equal to the book they originated from, all movies from books would be absolutely terrible. When has anyone seen a movie when they didn't think "the book was better"

:confusedshrug:

[JayGuevara]

If we're going to judge actors/roles and movies on if they're better or equal to the book they originated from, all movies from books would be absolutely terrible. When has anyone seen a movie when they didn't think "the book was better"

:confusedshrug:

Congo. Because it didn't have Tim Curry.

[DonDadda59]

Will has obvious box office appeal, he's inherited Tom Cruise's throne as the biggest movie star on the planet. But to say he's a top 5 actor working RIGHT NOW is crazy, but all time? :wtf:

I can name at least 50 actors working right now who outclass him in terms of talent, versatility, and on screen work. Hell I'll even narrow it down, he's not even the best Black actor working now.

Forest Whitaker, Denzel Washington, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Idris Elba (give him some time)> Will Smith.

I'm even tempted to put Terrence Howard, Jamie Foxx, Laurence (or Larry, w/e you prefer) Fishburne, and Cuba Gooding Jr in the mix, that's how grossly overrated the Fresh Prince has become...

But 1 movie as a villain makes him top 5 in general?

[Fatal9]

Alec Guinness is the most underrated great actor ever. His performances in every single David Lean movie are wonderful and some of the most memorable in my mind. Lean had said that he'd never seen an actor exercise as much concentration as Guinness would in a role. Sadly though, he has been attached to those garbage star wars movies (which I'm glad to see, he hated as well).

My favorite performance:

http://estb.msn.com/i/94/B4C51B695ABCF15C88DEAE345FDFA.jpg

[ukplayer4]

yep, guiness should make everyones list, that includes dead actors.

[Lebron23]

I think Will Smith is an underrated actor. I think he deserved the Oscar, when he played the role of Ali.

And He was really good on the Pursuit of Happyness.

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

he's done it all but make a Good movie

most his **** is decent at best.

"im kinda wack, like hancock movie"
SEAN P!!!

[johndeeregreen]

I didn't delete it. Plus why would I delete it if I was quoted over 5 times?:confusedshrug:
The first place it appears is in Dasher's post quoting you, not in an actual post by you. If you didn't delete it, umm...where is it?

Regardless of whether or not you canned it (that really isn't important), saying Brando was getting hyped because of one role was just not intelligent. There's no other way about it.

[Jackass18]

Most people probably reference AN because it's the most recent film they've seen Brando in.

Most people haven't seen The Score? It has 3 amazing actors in it.


Congo. Because it didn't have Tim Curry.

Congo is one of the worst movies ever made.

[dnyk1337]

The first place it appears is in Dasher's post quoting you, not in an actual post by you. If you didn't delete it, umm...where is it?

Regardless of whether or not you canned it (that really isn't important), saying Brando was getting hyped because of one role was just not intelligent. There's no other way about it.

I didn't but maybe the forces that see over us did maybe. Or I did, and forgot. Either way, I'll rewrite it here...

Uhh... Marlon Brando is top 5? Based on one role? You wish!

[ukplayer4]

I think Will Smith is an underrated actor. I think he deserved the Oscar, when he played the role of Ali.





wtf? better than russell crowe in beautiful mind, better than sean penn in i am sam, better than denzel in training day?


think again.

[halffttime]

top 5? i love the fresh prince, don't get me wrong, but he couldn't crack top 25 on his best performance.. just saying..

[Dizzle-2k7]

Yep.

[Knuck the Ficks]

Yep.
Brando
DeNiro
Pacino
Jack Nicholson
Clint Eastwood
F*ck out of here




Will Smith is definitely the most bankable star of the past 15 years. His movies generate a ridiculous amount of cash. But that doesn't make him a top 5 actor of all time.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Brando
DeNiro
Pacino
Jack Nicholson
Clint Eastwood
F*ck out of here
.


Compare those guys to Smith at his age and it aint close... now factor in that Smith has a good 30 years left of acting? :bowdown:

[Knuck the Ficks]

Compare those guys to Smith at his age and it aint close... now factor in that Smith has a good 30 years left of acting? :bowdown:
Will Smith is 40 years old.

By the time Robert Deniro was 40 he had made:

The King of Comedy
Raging Bull
The Deer Hunter
Taxi Driver
The Godfather: Part II

Name one Will Smith film that comes close to any of these.

[goldenryan]

Will Smith is 40 years old.

By the time Robert Deniro was 40 he had made:

The King of Comedy
Raging Bull
The Deer Hunter
Taxi Driver
The Godfather: Part II

Name one Will Smith film that comes close to any of these.

this.

:lol that this thread was even made

[Randy]

Steve McQueen, Humphrey Bogart, Charlie Chaplin, Gene Hackman, Tommy Lee Jones, Dustin Hoffman.

And this is just male actors.

[Eldrunko247]

So is Duane "The Rock" Johsnon

[goldenryan]

i actually consider will smith one of the worst popular actors. if you disagree with me let me point out that smith has at lease starred in 12 films that i consider less enjoyable to watch than Ed Wood's "Plan 9 From Outer Space" which is ranked by many as the worst film of all times.

[andgar923]

Will Smith aint even a top 5 actor today, let alone all time.
Will Smith aint even a top 5 'black' actor today, let alone all time.

I do think he's one of the most charismatic actors we've ever seen, but that's just all he is,a charismatic likable person.

And Ali wasn't good, but his 'imitation' was decent.... to bad his 'portrayal' of Ali wasn't.

[BankShot]

I would consider myself a pretty big Will Smith fan... especially his work in sci-fi-oriented film (Independence Day, I Robot, I am Legend, Hancock... heck even MIB), but to put him the top-5 of all time discussion is a stretch to say the least. Don't get me wrong, I agree that one good villain role would do wonders for his legacy.

He's definitely one of the most identifiable and iconic actors/stars of his generation, but to be 40 and put in the discussion with your Brandos, Pacinos, Nicholsons, etc.... is taking the conversation too far.

[pete's montreux]

Like someone else said, Will Smith isn't even a top five black actor.

[triangleoffense]

Anyone who seriously think smith is even in the top 10 needs to watch more movies. Top10 of black actors maybe, but most black actors are pretty 1 dimensional actors. 100 bucks says the OP is black

[thejumpa]

Will Smith is the ****. I don't know about top 10 actors of all time though. That's a pretty serious title. I do know one thing, he will go down as both a legendary actor AND Hip Hop artist. Not only has nobody done that, but I'm not sure if we will ever see it again.

[Jackass18]

I hope you're joking.

[andgar923]

Will Smith is the ****. I don't know about top 10 actors of all time though. That's a pretty serious title. I do know one thing, he will go down as both a legendary actor AND Hip Hop artist. Not only has nobody done that, but I'm not sure if we will ever see it again.

Uh....

Mos Def
Queen Latifah
2Pac
Ice Cube

The best thing Will ever did was Fresh Prince of Bel Air, because that's where his true talents really shined. He's never been better than in that show.

[DonDadda59]

Anyone who seriously think smith is even in the top 10 needs to watch more movies. Top10 of black actors maybe, but most black actors are pretty 1 dimensional actors. 100 bucks says the OP is black

:wtf:

[BankShot]

Uh....

Mos Def
Queen Latifah
2Pac
Ice Cube

The best thing Will ever did was Fresh Prince of Bel Air, because that's where his true talents really shined. He's never been better than in that show.

IMO Mos Def was the only one listed that has shown true potential and talent as an actor

[Randy]

Anyone who seriously think smith is even in the top 10 needs to watch more movies. Top10 of black actors maybe, but most black actors are pretty 1 dimensional actors. 100 bucks says the OP is black

That's called type casting.

[goldenryan]

IMO Mos Def was the only one listed that has shown true potential and talent as an actor

i liked him as chuck berry in cadillac records.

[andgar923]

IMO Mos Def was the only one listed that has shown true potential and talent as an actor

Queen Latifah I believe was nominated for a few awards, and was hailed by critics and deservedly so.

2Pac before his death was doing a solid job as an actor.

Ice Cube has been good to great in a few movies, and has natural comedic timing. I can honestly see him in a role that will be better anything Will has done up to date.... hell.... he already has.

[thejumpa]

Uh....

Mos Def
Queen Latifah
2Pac
Ice Cube

The best thing Will ever did was Fresh Prince of Bel Air, because that's where his true talents really shined. He's never been better than in that show.

Obviously, I know about those others. I haven't checked the numbers recently, but I don't see any of those people pulling in the consistent numbers Will Smith is. Not saying which one is better and which movies were good/bad....because I know they have talent.

That being said, I'm pretty sure none of those people can ask for $20M a film.....be acknowledged as an elite A-list actor and a legend in Hip Hop. I'm just sayin....

[DonDadda59]

^More examples of people confusing commercial appeal and success with talent :rolleyes:

[OneMoreSucka]

It's ridiculous to put those rappers in the same breath as Will Smith as far as acting skills go. All of those listed above are terrible, terrible actors and it shows in each role the play.

But on the flip side, it's ridiculous to put Will Smith in the same breath as those guys as far as rapping/musical skills. Don't try to tell me "gettin jiggy wit it" was a masterpiece just because it was successful.

[thejumpa]

^More examples of people confusing commercial appeal and success with talent :rolleyes:

You can read into it however you want. Will Smith has commercial appeal, success, AND talent.....so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm just calling it like it is.

[DonDadda59]

You can read into it however you want. Will Smith has commercial appeal, success, AND talent.....so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm just calling it like it is.

Didn't mean to say he has no talent, just saying it's stupid to make it seem that someone is more capable than another because of commercial success. If that were the criteria, then MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice are 'top 5 GOAT' rappers :oldlol:

Like I've already said in this outdated thread, he's not top 5 all time, not top 5 right now, not top 5 black actor ever or working today. Don't care how much his movies make.

[Jackass18]

Calling him legendary in either category isn't calling it how it is. That's simply a whole lot of exaggeration.

[thejumpa]

Didn't mean to say he has no talent, just saying it's stupid to make it seem that someone is more capable than another because of commercial success. If that were the criteria, then MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice are 'top 5 GOAT' rappers :oldlol:

Like I've already said in this outdated thread, he's not top 5 all time, not top 5 right now, not top 5 black actor ever or working today. Don't care how much his movies make.

It has nothing to do with who is capable and who is not. Mos Def is a good actor and so is Ice Cube. Will Smith is also a good actor. A lot of people think that because he has so much success, he can't be a good actor.

Vanilla Ice and Will Smith are two different situations. No **** Vanilla Ice isn't anything GOAT worthy. He's a one hit wonder who we never heard from again. Will Smith did it big in music AND in acting. Nothing close to being a one hit wonder or a flash in the pan. Don't act like you can't see that....

[OneMoreSucka]

Success =/= talent.

Talent =/= success.

[DonDadda59]

It has nothing to do with who is capable and who is not. Mos Def is a good actor and so is Ice Cube. Will Smith is also a good actor. A lot of people think that because he has so much success, he can't be a good actor.

You're missing the point completely here. I haven't seen this thread in a few months but I don't remember many people saying Will is a bad actor or he's untalented, just that he's no where near the best or 'top 5 GOAT' or some other ignorant bullsh*t.


Vanilla Ice and Will Smith are two different situations. No **** Vanilla Ice isn't anything GOAT worthy. He's a one hit wonder who we never heard from again. Will Smith did it big in music AND in acting. Nothing close to being a one hit wonder or a flash in the pan. Don't act like you can't see that....

Yeah, I was using your 'money and commercial success=better than X actor/rapper' theorem. You intimated that Will's commercial success puts him ahead of other performers Andgar mentioned and I countered with the fact that the Ice Man and Hammer both have top 5-10 selling albums all time, so by your reasoning and standards, they're 'GOAT' candidates... which is complete bullsh*t, but I was just trying to show you how misguided your reasoning was.

[DonDadda59]

Success =/= talent.

Talent =/= success.

This :applause:

Simplicity is sometimes the best policy, perfectly put.

[ukplayer4]

You can read into it however you want. Will Smith has commercial appeal, success, AND talent.....so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm just calling it like it is.



you dont understand the difference between being comercially successful at something and actually having ability?

this is infact what alot of the problem is with hiphop these days, thankfully there are still competent people involved in film making so it will never suffer the same death.




I don't know about top 10 actors of all time though. That's a pretty serious title.

you couldnt find 1 person on this planet whos view is respected in the film world who would put will smith in the top 10 actors of all time. top 100,000,000??? ......................maybe.



I do know one thing, he will go down as both a legendary actor AND Hip Hop artist


he has achieved neither. you here by forfit the right to an opinion. for the love of god, what kind of a pathetic pop dominated world where artistic appreciation is so low(even in the most accessible of art forms- film and hip hop) that will ****ing smith is considered an alltime great, is it that we live in these days?

retorical question....you are just worthless.

[thejumpa]

You're missing the point completely here. I haven't seen this thread in a few months but I don't remember many people saying Will is a bad actor or he's untalented, just that he's no where near the best or 'top 5 GOAT' or some other ignorant bullsh*t.



Yeah, I was using your 'money and commercial success=better than X actor/rapper' theorem. You intimated that Will's commercial success puts him ahead of other performers Andgar mentioned and I countered with the fact that the Ice Man and Hammer both have top 5-10 selling albums all time, so by your reasoning and standards, they're 'GOAT' candidates... which is complete bullsh*t, but I was just trying to show you how misguided your reasoning was.

All I said was that Will Smith will go down as both a legendary actor and legendary Hip Hop artist. First grammy....pioneer in Hip Hop with Jazzy Jeff. Always been a solid rapper and had the respect without a bull**** message. Never sold out. You wanna include anybody else....ok. Now we have to go to movies and the success he has had vs anybody else. I'll admit, I kinda forgot about Queen Latifah though. We can talk about music all day but she isn't the better actor, IMO anyway, and hasn't had the same success. Correct me if I'm wrong...

[1987_Lakers]

All I said was that Will Smith will go down as both a legendary actor and legendary Hip Hop artist. First grammy....pioneer in Hip Hop with Jazzy Jeff. Always been a solid rapper and had the respect without a bull**** message. Never sold out. You wanna include anybody else....ok. Now we have to go to movies and the success he has had vs anybody else. I'll admit, I kinda forgot about Queen Latifah though. We can talk about music all day but she isn't the better actor, IMO anyway, and hasn't had the same success. Correct me if I'm wrong...

:roll:

What a ridiculous statement.

[thejumpa]

:roll:

What a ridiculous statement.

You're right. He is legendary in nothing and won't be remembered as legendary in anything when it's all said and done. You are right and the rest who think otherwise don't know what they're talking about. You win.

[1987_Lakers]

You're right. He is legendary in nothing and won't be remembered as legendary in anything when it's all said and done. You are right and the rest who think otherwise don't know what they're talking about. You win.

Thank you.

[thejumpa]

Thank you.

No problem.

:cheers:

[ukplayer4]

You're right. He is legendary in nothing and won't be remembered as legendary in anything when it's all said and done. You are right and the rest who think otherwise don't know what they're talking about. You win.





im glad we had this chat.

[thejumpa]

im glad we had this chat.

Since when was I chatting with you?

[ukplayer4]

Since when was I chatting with you?



son, when i speak, you listen.

[beasted86]

Talented? no way.
Top 5 what? Biggest? argueable...

Smith charges 20 mil a movie and atleast draws moderate to good critical acclaim. I can't say the same for a prime Jim Carey or Tom Cruise. He knows how to pick his roles well.

[SCY]

What film of Will Smith's will be remembered even 20 years from now? Seems like it would be a must for such a legendary actor to have at least one movie with staying power. It'll be interesting to see how popular he stays as he ages, is he still going to be an action star throwing out "Aw hell no's" at 50?

[beasted86]

What film of Will Smith's will be remembered even 20 years from now? Seems like it would be a must for such a legendary actor to have at least one movie with staying power. It'll be interesting to see how popular he stays as he ages, is he still going to be an action star throwing out "Aw hell no's" at 50?
Ali is up there.

Maybe not a G.O.A.T movie, but definitely received more critical acclaim, and is heralded as a better portrayal of Ali than Denzel did Malcom X... whic did have decent staying power in the past ? 15 years?

[1987_Lakers]

Ali is up there.

Maybe not a G.O.A.T movie, but definitely received more critical acclaim, and is heralded as a better portrayal of Ali than Denzel did Malcom X... whic did have decent staying power in the past ? 15 years?

Ali Sucked. And I'm a huge Michael Mann fan.

[beasted86]

Ali Sucked. And I'm a huge Michael Mann fan.
Honestly, I thought it was just mediocre also... I didn't see why that movie won all those awards...

But the truth is it is still both a huge critical hit, and public blockbuster hit. It has staying power.

[WhiteMosɘs]

both men in blacks, both bad boys, Ali, and Hitch were all great...never seen i robot (maybe have but forgot) or pursuit of happiness, they might be up their too.

But no he is not top 5 all time. Of my favorites, he is top 5, but thats MY favorites. Everyone has diff tastes.


Joke?

[SCY]

Ali only has a 67% on rottentomatoes, and on its opening weekend came behind Jimmy Nuetron: Boy Genius which was in its 2nd week. Smith and Voight were nominated for Oscars, but it didn't win anything (other than some Black Reel awards :oldlol:) The Rookie beat it out for an ESPY. It had decent success, but it's pretty much already forgotten.

[Jackass18]

Honestly, I thought it was just mediocre also... I didn't see why that movie won all those awards...

But the truth is it is still both a huge critical hit, and public blockbuster hit. It has staying power.

What awards did Ali win? Huge critical hit? It's at 67% at Rottentomatoes. I kinda like Will as an actor, but to call anything he's done "legendary" is pretty ridiculous.

[DonDadda59]

Ali is up there.

Maybe not a G.O.A.T movie, but definitely received more critical acclaim, and is heralded as a better portrayal of Ali than Denzel did Malcom X... whic did have decent staying power in the past ? 15 years?

By whom? :wtf:

Whoever heralded Smith's Ali as being better than Denzel as Malcolm either never saw Malcolm X or has a very serious drug problem. Denzel not getting that oscar is one of the biggest robberies ever, his win in Training Day is viewed by many as just a make up for that hoodwinking.

[OneMoreSucka]

I had no idea there were so many Will Smith lovers on here :roll:

Talk about overrating...

[ukplayer4]

Smith charges 20 mil a movie and atleast draws moderate to good critical acclaim.




this is a significant reason why he is not a great actor, actors do not make films, it is the directors medium. great actors work for nothing in order to be in good films and good film makers laugh in the face of "actors" that want 20 million a film. thats the entire budget for most good films. can you imagine the soderbergs, aronofskys, paul thomas andersons of the world even considering casting will smith at 20 million dollars?


btw ali won nothing in terms of awards, i have no idea where you got the idea it did.

[phoenix18]

Just so I can have some peace, who are the 5 best actors of all time. I ask this because people here are always dismissing. many people who I thought would be up there

[andgar923]

The best work Will ever did was on Fresh Prince.

He can be an above avg actor from time to time, but even that varies in the same FILM. There's scenes within that same film where he has some good moments, and then 2 scenes later he's just meh.

Point being.... he's not a great actor!

And its easy to tell that he's 'trying' to act..... you can't 'try' to act, that's just non-sense.

I love when people confuse a serious scene or a crying scene with great acting, because they are completely unrelated.

[pete's montreux]

Just so I can have some peace, who are the 5 best actors of all time. I ask this because people here are always dismissing. many people who I thought would be up there

there's no set list of the best, personal opinion

i have my personal five which is:

[01] Robert De Niro
[02] Jack Nicholson
[03] Al Pacino
[04] Clint Eastwood
[05] Gene Hackman

[phoenix18]

there's no set list of the best, personal opinion

i have my personal five which is:

[01] Robert De Niro
[02] Jack Nicholson
[03] Al Pacino
[04] Clint Eastwood
[05] Gene Hackman

I love Clint, but what makes him such a great actor? Everytime I see him, he is in the same type of role with the same look on his face. I know he is great, but I didnt think he was top five. Maybe top ten.

[thejumpa]

What awards did Ali win? Huge critical hit? It's at 67% at Rottentomatoes. I kinda like Will as an actor, but to call anything he's done "legendary" is pretty ridiculous.


He is the only actor in history to have eight consecutive films gross over $100 million in the domestic box office as well as being the only actor to have eight consecutive films open at #1 on the domestic box office as a Lead Actor.[3]

What do you call that? A fluke? Whether you like his music not, his acting or not, you can't deny his talent and continued success. Didn't even mention the millions he has sold solo or in a group. Is winning the first Rap Grammy ever a fluke too?

This has nothing to do with any of that GOAT BS....I'm just giving respect where respect is due.

[pete's montreux]

I love Clint, but what makes him such a great actor? Everytime I see him, he is in the same type of role with the same look on his face. I know he is great, but I didnt think he was top five. Maybe top ten.

List the Clint movies you've seen.

[phoenix18]

List the Clint movies you've seen.
:oldlol: My stomach hurts. You are so serious about this arent you?

[andgar923]

there's no set list of the best, personal opinion

i have my personal five which is:

[01] Robert De Niro
[02] Jack Nicholson
[03] Al Pacino
[04] Clint Eastwood
[05] Gene Hackman

Never really cared for Clint either.

[pete's montreux]

:oldlol: My stomach hurts. You are so serious about this arent you?

Um, ok? I'm just trying to gauge what you've seen of him.

[phoenix18]

Um, ok? I'm just trying to gauge what you've seen of him.
Oh. My bad.
Dirty Harry
The Good, the Bad...........
Fistfull of Dollars
For a few dollars more
Hang em high
Two Mules for Sister Sara
Unforgiven

That's pretty much it.

[pete's montreux]

What did you think about Unforgiven?

[phoenix18]

What did you think about Unforgiven?
To be honest, I have to rewatch that one. Its been a while *cough* probably about five years *cough* since I have seen it. I thought it was western onto itself and wasnt stereotypical at all. Great movie.

[pete's montreux]

Definitely re-watch it. It's my all time favorite film.

[DonDadda59]

Yeah, Clint's a much better director than actor.

As for a top 5 list, would take too long to adequately come up with a solid list. But just a few names that deserve mention:

Robert Deniro
Al Pacino
Marlon Brando
Robert Duvall
Daniel Day Lewis
Gary Oldman
Denzel Washington
Jack Nicholson
Paul Newman
Gene Hackman
Dustin Hoffman
William Hurt
Alec Guiness
Russell Crowe
Philip Seymour Hoffman

I could go on and on here...

[phoenix18]

Definitely re-watch it. It's my all time favorite film.
My all-time favorite is Ronin. That movie had everything for me. Espionage,backstabbing, car chase, car chase. Seriously, the car chases were great. Love that movie.

[pete's montreux]

My all-time favorite is Ronin. That movie had everything for me. Espionage,backstabbing, car chase, car chase. Seriously, the car chases were great. Love that movie.

So you like car chases?

Look up a movie called "The Driver", released in 1978. All time GOAT car chase scene, much better than Bullet. Also, watch Vanishing Point if you like car chases.

[branslowski]

Robert De Niro is BY FAR....THe G.O.A.T Actor...

Watching the guy has you glued to the screen...Something about his personallity that just pulls you in...I mean, he fits the character he is playing perfectly...

[ukplayer4]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
He is the only actor in history to have eight consecutive films gross over $100 million in the domestic box office as well as being the only actor to have eight consecutive films open at #1 on the domestic box office as a Lead Actor.[3]

What do you call that? A fluke? Whether you like his music not, his acting or not, you can't deny his talent and continued success. Didn't even mention the millions he has sold solo or in a group. Is winning the first Rap Grammy ever a fluke too?

This has nothing to do with any of that GOAT BS....I'm just giving respect where respect is due.





with every post you disgrace yourself even further, you honestly feel there is some kind of corelation between will smiths acting ability and the gross of his films at the box office? you need serious proffesional help, among these masterpieces im sure are the likes of hitch, wild wild west, shark tale, bad boys, independance day....these are all utter ****ing garbage, very badly acted garbage at that. if you are older than 4 you should just do yourself a favor and kill yourself cause you are a massive waste of sperm.

[ukplayer4]

Robert De Niro is BY FAR....THe G.O.A.T Actor...

Watching the guy has you glued to the screen...Something about his personallity that just pulls you in...I mean, he fits the character he is playing perfectly...





er, no. what you mean is he is your favorite actor.

[1987_Lakers]

Robert De Niro is BY FAR....THe G.O.A.T Actor...

Watching the guy has you glued to the screen...Something about his personallity that just pulls you in...I mean, he fits the character he is playing perfectly...

Marlon Brando is the GOAT actor.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/97/90697-004-F13094C1.jpg
His performance in On the Waterfront is the greatest in cinema history.

[phoenix18]

So you like car chases?

Look up a movie called "The Driver", released in 1978. All time GOAT car chase scene, much better than Bullet. Also, watch Vanishing Point if you like car chases.
The Driver..... is that the one with that blonde white guy driving around in that red pickup truck? If so, I have seen it, but not all of it.

[pete's montreux]

The Driver..... is that the one with that blonde white guy driving around in that red pickup truck? If so, I have seen it, but not all of it.

That's the one.

[phoenix18]

That's the one.
I am going to rewatch it. It had a good car chase with the pickup and the Firebird.

[thejumpa]

with every post you disgrace yourself even further, you honestly feel there is some kind of corelation between will smiths acting ability and the gross of his films at the box office? you need serious proffesional help, among these masterpieces im sure are the likes of hitch, wild wild west, shark tale, bad boys, independance day....these are all utter ****ing garbage, very badly acted garbage at that. if you are older than 4 you should just do yourself a favor and kill yourself cause you are a massive waste of sperm.

Bro, no one is talking to you about this matter. Go spew your nonsense somewhere else.

[DonDadda59]

Robert De Niro is BY FAR....THe G.O.A.T Actor...

Watching the guy has you glued to the screen...Something about his personallity that just pulls you in...I mean, he fits the character he is playing perfectly...

He definitely has a case, but by far... that might be pushing it.

I will tell you this though, don't know if anyone has ever had a better 10 year stretch than he did from about '73-'83 or '84: Mean Streets, Bang the Drum Slowly, Godfather II, Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Once Upon a Time in America, King of Comedy... just a mean streak of all time great movies and performances there.

I always thought Daniel Day Lewis might be more talented but he just doesn't have the record Rob has. And for the record I think him portraying Jake La Motta in Raging Bull is the best performance ever.

[Jackass18]

What do you call that? A fluke?

A fluke? No, I just call it what it is - he's a box office draw.


Is winning the first Rap Grammy ever a fluke too?

I don't give a sh!t about Grammys. Winning a Grammy makes someone legendary?


This has nothing to do with any of that GOAT BS....I'm just giving respect where respect is due.

Respect? You're going way, way beyond that.

[Skyscraper]

top 5 based on what, films overhyped?

first lets NOT count i am legend, the book is 10x what the movie WANTED to be

lets forget that i,robot existed because it's a walking advertisement

and while we're at it, hancock isn't a hero, he's an alcoholic. Is anyone's alcoholic relative a hero or a zero to you and your family?

BUT to be fair, i WILL give him Enemy of the State and Hitch as some of his better works, I actually believed his character in those films, ID4 is a stretch for me

will smith will never play a villain, he's got too much "kid" left in him to do it

now matt damon isn't top 5 either, but he could play a villain.


He did. The Talented Mr Ripley... quite the homosexual villain

[branslowski]

He definitely has a case, but by far... that might be pushing it.

I will tell you this though, don't know if anyone has ever had a better 10 year stretch than he did from about '73-'83 or '84: Mean Streets, Bang the Drum Slowly, Godfather II, Deer Hunter, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Once Upon a Time in America, King of Comedy... just a mean streak of all time great movies and performances there.

I always thought Daniel Day Lewis might be more talented but he just doesn't have the record Rob has. And for the record I think him portraying Jake La Motta in Raging Bull is the best performance ever.

:cheers:

His roles in GF-pt 2...and Taxi Driver are my personal favorite, but if not all, most of his movies are great...

An underrated (not that much underrated) film that I really loved was "The Fan"...

Also, who played the Best Vito Corleone?...Marlon Brando or De Niro?...Most probably would say Marlon because he's the face of a GOD FATHER...But, I personally like De Niro...

[DonDadda59]

Never saw the fan, might check it out. But as far as underrated performances by Deniro, Cape Fear is up there- perfect mix of charisma and homicidal mania and the accent was gold :oldlol:

And I just look at the Vito Corleone situation as the same exact character just at different ages. Deniro did a great job of mimicking Brando's speech, voice, physical mannerisms, etc to the point that it was just a younger version of Brando/Corleone which is why he deservedly won the Oscar (as did Brando). So I don't look at it like a competition, both are legendary.

[Butters]

I like pretty much every will smith movie to ever come out.

From men in black to wild wild west to I am legend to some of the serious roles he's done.Having said that,he will never be top 10 all time on any best actor list.

[branslowski]

I like pretty much every will smith movie to ever come out.

From men in black to wild wild west to I am legend to some of the serious roles he's done.Having said that,he will never be top 10 all time on any best actor list.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That sh!t was beyond Garbage...

But I agree...Will should be high on ppl's list...

I mean...Bad Boy 1,2...Independence day...Enemy of State....MIB...Ali...I-Robot..exc...He has epic classics...

[ukplayer4]

an often forgotten all time great deniro performance= awakenings.

[Knuck the Ficks]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That sh!t was beyond Garbage...

But I agree...Will should be high on ppl's list...

I mean...Bad Boy 1,2...Independence day...Enemy of State....MIB...Ali...I-Robot..exc...He has epic classics...
One of the worst movies made this decade. Please don't call it a classic.

I can't think of any movie I've seen that has had a lower quality/budget ratio (Note I haven't seen the Transformers films)

[Randy]

this is a significant reason why he is not a great actor, actors do not make films, it is the directors medium. great actors work for nothing in order to be in good films and good film makers laugh in the face of "actors" that want 20 million a film. thats the entire budget for most good films. can you imagine the soderbergs, aronofskys, paul thomas andersons of the world even considering casting will smith at 20 million dollars?


btw ali won nothing in terms of awards, i have no idea where you got the idea it did.

Utter crap.

Aronofsky is rather meh as well, the Wrestler lifted him from being a one hit wonder in my eyes at least. PTA is completely pretentious and self reflexive. He has some great ones like Boogie Nights, TWBB, and Punch Drunk Love, but also some real clunkers like Magnolia and Hard Eight. I can't deny he's talented (sometimes) though.

[1987_Lakers]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That sh!t was beyond Garbage...

But I agree...Will should be high on ppl's list...

I mean...Bad Boy 1,2...Independence day...Enemy of State....MIB...Ali...I-Robot..exc...He has epic classics...

Please GTFO!

[iggy>]

how could you be a sixers/lakers fan :no: IMPOSSIBLE!

[thejumpa]

A fluke? No, I just call it what it is - he's a box office draw.

yeah. no big deal. 8 straight and 10+ at $100M+. It's never been done...simply unheard of, but, no biggie.




I don't give a sh!t about Grammys. Winning a Grammy makes someone legendary?

No, winning a Grammy doesn't make you legendary. I believe when you measure a mans status in music or film, his accolades have to be mentioned. But that's not what I'm talking about. They won the FIRST EVER. They, as a group, helped usher rap into the mainstream. They made their own lane and stuck to it...delivering a string of classics. When he went solo, he did it with no curse words, and still delivered a positive message, and never had to switch it up to sell records. Sold a ton of records too. Contrary to popular belief, he never sold out either and has maintained to be a good role model for a lot of young people.


I was really young when he first came out....so what I'm saying is from what I've seen, and what I have learned from others. I'm giving respect where respect is due...not saying his goat of anything. A pioneer? legendary? Yup.

[Jackass18]

yeah. no big deal. 8 straight and 10+ at $100M+. It's never been done...simply unheard of, but, no biggie.

You're right, we should erect monuments and statues in his honor since he's been able consistently draw the mindless masses to his movies. We live in a day and age where total crap like Charlie's Angels and its sequel raked in over 100 million, and an embarrassment of a movie, Planet of the Apes, nearly hit 200 million. It's a sad state of affairs. All 3 movies that Kevin James had a big role in took in over 120 million, so I guess he's well on his way to legendary status...


I believe when you measure a mans status in music or film, his accolades have to be mentioned. But that's not what I'm talking about. They won the FIRST EVER.

Here's a good quote about the Grammys: "I think the Grammys are nothing more than some gigantic promotional machine for the music industry. They cater to a low intellect and they feed the masses. They don't honor the arts or the artist for what he created. It's the music business celebrating itself. That's basically what it's all about."


When he went solo, he did it with no curse words, and still delivered a positive message, and never had to switch it up to sell records.

You're praising him for making more and more generic music and not using bad words? What the f*ck is that kind of sh!t?


Sold a ton of records too.

So did those terrible boy bands.


I was really young when he first came out....so what I'm saying is from what I've seen, and what I have learned from others. I'm giving respect where respect is due...not saying his goat of anything. A pioneer? legendary? Yup.

There's nothing legendary about it. The best thing he ever did, as already mentioned, was The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. None of his movies are legendary or anywhere close, not even I Am Legend. None of his music is legendary, though "Gettin' Jiggy wit It" is close to being legendarily bad. Somehow that song won a Grammy, and you want me to take the Grammys seriously? **** that. Summertime was a good song, though.

[ukplayer4]

Utter crap.

Aronofsky is rather meh as well, the Wrestler lifted him from being a one hit wonder in my eyes at least. PTA is completely pretentious and self reflexive. He has some great ones like Boogie Nights, TWBB, and Punch Drunk Love, but also some real clunkers like Magnolia and Hard Eight. I can't deny he's talented (sometimes) though.



whatever your bias hatred of the great modern film makers(and you do have bias towards older films in general) makes no difference, they are considered among the very best current young directors in the world. for the purposses of my point opinion is meaningless. high level, artistic minded film makers like the three i listed would not cast will smith. end of story.

[thejumpa]

There's nothing legendary about it. The best thing he ever did, as already mentioned, was The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. None of his movies are legendary or anywhere close, not even I Am Legend. None of his music is legendary, though "Gettin' Jiggy wit It" is close to being legendarily bad. Somehow that song won a Grammy, and you want me to take the Grammys seriously? **** that. Summertime was a good song, though.

I don't know what to tell you, man. He is widely accepted as a pioneer and a legend in Hip Hop. It is what it is...

[flipogb]

how about top 5 male movie star ?

seems like it would make sense to separate someone who has a lot of skills to someone that people like and make tons of money from every movie

im a big fan myself but I agree he is not that great of an "actor" but I like every movie hes in.

[pete's montreux]

how about top 5 male movie star ?

seems like it would make sense to separate someone who has a lot of skills to someone that people like and make tons of money from every movie

im a big fan myself but I agree he is not that great of an "actor" but I like every movie hes in.

Not even close.

[Randy]

whatever your bias hatred of the great modern film makers(and you do have bias towards older films in general) makes no difference, they are considered among the very best current young directors in the world. for the purposses of my point opinion is meaningless. high level, artistic minded film makers like the three i listed would not cast will smith. end of story.

Soderbergh works with Damon and Clooney all the time :ohwell: I really, really, dislike Soderbergh though.

However, I have no doubt that Aronofsky and PTA could get a truly GREAT performance out of Will Smith. Will Smith has the ability to give some truly powerful performances but he routinely picks the ''easy" roles in movies that he knows will generate tons of money for the production companies and studios, and thus, generating tons of $$$ for himself as well.

While I didn't really enjoy with Pursuit of Happyness or I Am Legend, he was pretty damn good in both of them, I Am Legend in particular IMO. I thought he was great, despite the occasional mandatory WillSmithism. I actually re-watched the alternate cut of I Am Legend and was even more impressed bu his performance the second time (much better ending too, but the zombie vampires were still cartoons unfortunately). Will Smith has the ability to be very, very good but it's up to him to choose those vehicles to get him there.

[Jackass18]

He is widely accepted as a pioneer and a legend in Hip Hop. It is what it is...

Since when? If that were true, then the word "legend" is meaningless.

[andgar923]

I don't know what to tell you, man. He is widely accepted as a pioneer and a legend in Hip Hop. It is what it is...

WTF?

I've NEVER in my life heard anybody mention Will Smith amongst the greatest rappers or legends EVER!

That's not a knock on Will, that's just the TRUTH.

What's next, Jethro Tull is the greatest heavy metal band ever?

[sirkeelma]

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[thejumpa]

WTF?

I've NEVER in my life heard anybody mention Will Smith amongst the greatest rappers or legends EVER!

That's not a knock on Will, that's just the TRUTH.

What's next, Jethro Tull is the greatest heavy metal band ever?

Nah.....you got it wrong. I'm not saying that Will Smith is a top 20 rapper. I'm not saying this guy is some super lyrical MC. He isn't. But he is a pioneer. Like I said earlier, along with Jazzy Jeff, they helped push Hip Hop to the mainstream. They had their lane, stayed in it, stayed true, and had all kinds of success. First Rap Grammy EVER. If yall think of the Grammys as nothing...fine...but I don't.

I highly doubt you have never heard anybody say he is a pioneer or a legend.

http://purestyledc.com/dj-jazzy-jeff-hip-hop-icon-or-over-hyped-sidekick/

That article is about Jeff but it touches on them as a group and Will solo.

[juju151111]

Anyone who seriously think smith is even in the top 10 needs to watch more movies. Top10 of black actors maybe, but most black actors are pretty 1 dimensional actors. 100 bucks says the OP is black
:wtf: :wtf: is this a joke?

[halffttime]

i like will smith, but there's something about his acting that doesn't seem natural. i dunno if that's actually what i think, or i just can't take him seriously enough cause he was the fresh prince and sh!t.. but IMO, he doesn't have natural acting skills like marlon brando and johnny depp.

[halffttime]

Nah.....you got it wrong. I'm not saying that Will Smith is a top 20 rapper. I'm not saying this guy is some super lyrical MC. He isn't. But he is a pioneer. Like I said earlier, along with Jazzy Jeff, they helped push Hip Hop to the mainstream. They had their lane, stayed in it, stayed true, and had all kinds of success. First Rap Grammy EVER. If yall think of the Grammys as nothing...fine...but I don't.

I highly doubt you have never heard anybody say he is a pioneer or a legend.

http://purestyledc.com/dj-jazzy-jeff-hip-hop-icon-or-over-hyped-sidekick/

That article is about Jeff but it touches on them as a group and Will solo.
if you wanna rank rappers by their impact, then yea, will smith has a chance.. but if you're gonna rank it by how good they were actually are, not even brah.. and everyone knows rakim ghostwrote for him

[thejumpa]

if you wanna rank rappers by their impact, then yea, will smith has a chance.. but if you're gonna rank it by how good they were actually are, not even brah.. and everyone knows rakim ghostwrote for him

Eh, I'll be the first to say that lyrically he isn't doin it. It's not like I was out there dancing to "Gettin Jiggy Wit It" :oldlol: . That being said, I'm not going to ignore what he has done for Hip Hop. That's all I'm trying to say..

But, I don't think anybody out there could disagree with me saying he is a pioneer. Legend is a term that many feel is too strong, but, the two go hand in hand for me.

[hayden695]

Just finished watching Seven Pounds. Good movie.

[flipogb]

Not even close.

did you stop after the first part, read the whole post dumb ****

and its and idea for a different category, not my opinion, im just telling him to change his statement and its more arguable

post like yours are stupid, give a reason or just dont post

[nbastatus]

He is my favorite black actor. :banana: :banana:
Dude is awesome! and I love his movie called Pursue to Happyness!

[imdaman99]

I used to love Will Smith. Than I found out he became a Scientolo-*********. I got no more love for him. I'm no longer watching his movies on opening night anymore. No more scientologists!!!

[jbot]

i think he's a bit overrated.

[jbot]

He is my favorite black actor. :banana: :banana:
Dude is awesome! and I love his movie called Pursue to Happyness!
are u foreign or what?

[Quata]

Will smith is a great actor, havent disliked a movie he has been in, but having said that he is not an alltime great, although he does stir some full on emotions in people that alot of actors cant come close to evoking.
Seven Pounds- almost cried
I am legend- watery eyes when he had to kill his dog
Pursuit of happiness- **** tugs heartstrings hardout.

a movie no one has mentioned yet was leggend of bagger vance which i enjoyed thoroughly, plays a quirky mentor role to matt damon.

My favourite current 5 actors and movie:
Daniel Day-Lewis (Last of the Mohicans or there will be blood)
Johnny Depp (Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas)
Leonardo DiCaprio (Blood Diamond)
Robert Downey Junior (Kisskiss Bangbang)
Russell Crowe (Gladiator)

[Eldrunko247]

Will smith is a great actor, havent disliked a movie he has been in, but having said that he is not an alltime great, although he does stir some full on emotions in people that alot of actors cant come close to evoking.
Seven Pounds- almost cried
I am legend- watery eyes when he had to kill his dog
Pursuit of happiness- **** tugs heartstrings hardout.

a movie no one has mentioned yet was leggend of bagger vance which i enjoyed thoroughly, plays a quirky mentor role to matt damon.

My favourite current 5 actors and movie:
Daniel Day-Lewis (Last of the Mohicans or there will be blood)
Johnny Depp (Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas)
Leonardo DiCaprio (Blood Diamond)
Robert Downey Junior (Kisskiss Bangbang)
Russell Crowe (Gladiator)
Nice list. I'd like to add Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington to that list.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Also Will Smith could never be a good villain because the audience would always root for him over whoever the hero is. If they turned him into a bad guy who raped and killed babies or something, to force the audience to hate him, no one would buy it. Will Smith will never be an effective villain.



Isnt that what happend with Denzel?

He was the bad guy in Training day and American Gangster


Both movies, I'm pretty sure ppl rooted for the villain. Both movies were great.

[OneMoreSucka]

Isnt that what happend with Denzel?

He was the bad guy in Training day and American Gangster


Both movies, I'm pretty sure ppl rooted for the villain. Both movies were great.
Denzel's got that street hunger :pimp:



Oh and he's actually a good actor that can portray multiple roles, unlike big willie style.