Why do people insult Wilt Chamberlain and say he was stiff?

[Scott Pippen]

I see many people trashing 1960s and also legend Wilt Chamberlain by saying he is unathletic big stiff who score many points by playing against YMCA scrub.:confusedshrug:

Here is picture and evidence of Chamberlain superior athletics and strength

http://i36.tinypic.com/2m4cfeq.jpg
high jumper in high school


http://i37.tinypic.com/avqycn.jpg
play defense vs young prime kareem


http://www.explorepahistory.com/images/tn_ExplorePAHistory-a0l1i1-a_349.JPG
look at elevation on simple drop step finger roll:bowdown:


http://i37.tinypic.com/eajout.jpg
for idiots that say he is never double or triple teamed


now for Chamberlain dunks

http://hometown.aol.com/wolfman204/images/chamberlain%20dunks%20-%20reduced.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/119ovbq.jpg
dunk for globetrotters


http://i33.tinypic.com/bjiyyb.jpg
posterize 3 players Jordan style






Many of Wilt teammates said he did not want to be remembered as dominant force just because of his size, so he use many moves like fall away shot, finger roll, and hook shots. They say his 100 pt game was mostly fade away shots


also here is kblaze mix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAaaWpt3qDc


and here is additional thread about Wilt strength and domination

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97337




so please do not insult great 60s legends like Wilt Chamberlain:applause:

[inclinerator]

please his 50 inch vert his head should be over the rim on every play

[Mamba]

greg oden - wilt chamberlain just looking at them, they play the same defend the same and look mother****ing 90 years old.

[gts]

wilt was so good even his own team gaurded him just to give the others guys a hand... and where is that one guy going? "yo dude the plays over here"

http://i33.tinypic.com/bjiyyb.jpg

[ShawnieMac06]

Unfortunately, some people are very ****in ignorant and have no sense of history...just sad.

[TmacsRockets]

Look how short those guys are

[1987_Lakers]

Unfortunately, some people are very ****in ignorant and have no sense of history...just sad.

:applause:

[Psileas]

Unfortunately, some people are very ****in ignorant and have no sense of history...just sad.

In a high-level board most of these posters would have been banned or ignored by just about anyone. Is it a surprise that Wilt is more respected in forums when the average poster age ishigher than 18?
Look at the average kid's comment:


Just look at all those midgets grabbing at his ankles. What a joke.

Astonishing. I had better reasoning at the age of 4.


Look how short those guys are

Yeah, I mean, Kareem was just 7-2, Pettit-Lovelette (in that triple-team pic) were 6-9 barefoot. Midgets I'm telling ya! :oldlol:

[PainDog]

Wilt was perhaps the most athletic big man in the sports history.

Really, I dont understand at all the lack of respect for the older players.

I doubt most the players in the league today would agree with most of the hate against these guys....

[PainDog]

:roll: :roll:

I think The Diesel would have something to say about that.

I said athletic not strongest.

Shaq is of course more powerful than Wilt.

However, Wilt could jump higher, run faster, had an overall greater athleticism.

[VeeCee15]

*** this BS

Go look up some wilt chamberlain videos.

He plays like a stiff.

He is not as athletic as Dwight Howard or Shaq.

[PainDog]

In this video you can see Wilt running a fast break and throwing a behind the back pass with incredible grace and effectiveness...something I have never seen Shaq even come close to doing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Z4en6i9MM

Here is another mix HL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfpGWfhDU&feature=related

[Psileas]

In this video you can see Wilt running a fast break and throwing a behind the back pass with incredible grace and effectiveness...something I have never seen Shaq even come close to doing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Z4en6i9MM

Here is another mix HL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfp...eature=related

And these are just some random highlights, given that only a tiny part of Wilt's games are directly available even for documentary makers.
Hopefully that alleged digitalization of the whole archive of the NBA will have ended by 2012, giving us the chance to enjoy gems we've never seen. :rockon:



*** this BS

Maybe because it exposes your ignorance. I understand. :oldlol:


Go look up some wilt chamberlain videos.

He plays like a stiff.

He is not as athletic as Dwight Howard or Shaq.


How old are you again? When did you learn who Wilt even was? I guess before Youtube you didn't know any pre-80's player's name, right? GTFO with this drivel. We have eyes too, you know...And, unlike you, some of us have actually cared to watch these videos (which, I repeat, show just a very small sample of his dominance) and study/learn/know about him.

Typical play of Wilt at HS (1:36-2:00):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Tb45UaiQI

What a stiff, eh, Mr. Ignorant? :oldlol:

[Psileas]

Here are some random facts/stats from a person who actually knows what he's talking about and saw Wilt play:

http://actionpcsports.yuku.com/topic/1561/t/Wilt-vs-Wilt.html?page=2

[OutOfPlace]

In this video you can see Wilt running a fast break and throwing a behind the back pass with incredible grace and effectiveness...something I have never seen Shaq even come close to doing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Z4en6i9MM

Here is another mix HL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfpGWfhDU&feature=related

Call me when you find evidence of Wilt dunking through triple teams or getting his above rim level.

[2LeTTeRS]

Call me when you find evidence of Wilt dunking through triple teams or getting his above rim level.

So to you athleticism is only about dunking? Damn this kid is slow. What about quickness, footwork in the post, quickness, you get all that from Wilt but you're complaining because you don't see him dunking in an era when dunking wasn't even looked at is it is now? Wow kid you're dumb. Just stop posting here, you'll make ISH a better place.

[OutOfPlace]

So to you athleticism is only about dunking? Damn this kid is slow. What about quickness, footwork in the post, quickness, you get all that from Wilt but you're complaining because you don't see him dunking in an era when dunking wasn't even looked at is it is now? Wow kid you're dumb. Just stop posting here, you'll make ISH a better place.

LOL.

Have you actually seen Shaq in action? Dude is far more coordinated than Wilt, which is especially evident in his post footwork and even his breakdancing which is pretty uncanny for a guy of that size. His ability to run the floor is second to none for a big man despite the bulk he carries. He also displays MUCH more fluidity than Wilt did even in his best days.

BTW kid, you mentioned "quickness" twice. You are really grasping for straws here sucka. :roll:

[Psileas]

So to you athleticism is only about dunking? Damn this kid is slow. What about quickness, footwork in the post, quickness, you get all that from Wilt but you're complaining because you don't see him dunking in an era when dunking wasn't even looked at is it is now? Wow kid you're dumb. Just stop posting here, you'll make ISH a better place.

Wilt may have dunked on triple teams anyway. Let's not forget, once again, that there's very limited footage from his career. For example, there's not a single second from his 100-point game. If there was similar, in quantity and quality, footage for Shaq (or any player in history), I assure you he wouldn't be anywhere close to admired as much as he does by younger generations.

[OutOfPlace]

Wilt may have dunked on triple teams anyway. Let's not forget, once again, that there's very limited footage from his career. For example, there's not a single second from his 100-point game. If there was similar, in quantity and quality, footage for Shaq (or any player in history), I assure you he wouldn't be anywhere close to admired as much as he does by younger generations.

Wilt had to stretch to the max just to get the ball over the hoop. Dunking over triple teams? :roll: The guy could barely dunk in the open court.

[Scott Pippen]

Wilt had to stretch to the max just to get the ball over the hoop. Dunking over triple teams? :roll: The guy could barely dunk in the open court.

disagree:no::banghead:

[2LeTTeRS]

LOL.

Have you actually seen Shaq in action? Dude is far more coordinated than Wilt, which is especially evident in his post footwork and even his breakdancing which is pretty uncanny for a guy of that size. His ability to run the floor is second to none for a big man despite the bulk he carries. He also displays MUCH more fluidity than Wilt did even in his best days.

The fact that you only are mentioning one man in NBA history as being a better athlete than Wilt 40 years after his prime shows me you're the one grasping for straws. Wilt and Shaq is about as close as is gets when comparing athletic freaks, and I'm not going to choose whose more athletic but you're lying to yourself if you think Shaq is more athletic just because "you've seen him dunk on 3 guys."

In the history of the game the only 6'10+ big men who neared Wilts level of athleticism are Larry Nance, David Robinson, Shawn Kemp, O'Neal, Amare, and Dwight Howard. Thats what 6 guys? So please tell me, how being on the same level with the elite athletes in NBA history makes someone "a stiff"?


BTW kid, you mentioned "quickness" twice. You are really grasping for straws here sucka. :roll:

Judging from you're responses, you're the kid. Give it up join Lakerground or some other bs basketball site, you're not wanted here.

[RainierBeachPoet]

I see many people trashing 1960s and also legend Wilt Chamberlain by saying he is unathletic big stiff who score many points by playing against YMCA scrub.:confusedshrug:



my immediate thought to the question is:

they had never seen him

just ask some older guys who had seen in the 60s and they will tell you how physically awesome and how extremely athletic wilt was

anyone answering in the contrary is just plain ignorant

[Psileas]

Wilt had to stretch to the max just to get the ball over the hoop. Dunking over triple teams? The guy could barely dunk in the open court.

Once again, you're either a troll or just stupid and ignorant beyond description (I hope you're a troll, because I don't want to imagine ISH attracts that stupid people nowadays). Actually, the only reason I respond to this is because "Scott Pippen" hasn't put you into ignore mode yet and I saw your quote.

Wilt close to the age of 35, getting his head close to rim level (1:49):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tt13a6b_uA

"He needed to stretch to the max just to dunk". :roll: What a load of garbage are our eyes exposed to.

[mjbulls23]

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/alexgray23/NikeTalk/smh.gif at the way Wilt is being disrespected by some in this thread.

[OutOfPlace]

The fact that you only are mentioning one man in NBA history as being a better athlete than Wilt 40 years after his prime shows me you're the one grasping for straws. Wilt and Shaq is about as close as is gets when comparing athletic freaks, and I'm not going to choose whose more athletic but you're lying to yourself if you think Shaq is more athletic just because "you've seen him dunk on 3 guys."

I can name plenty of guys with far superior athleticism to whatever Wilt has shown. See below.


In the history of the game the only 6'10+ big men who neared Wilts level of athleticism are Larry Nance, David Robinson, Shawn Kemp, O'Neal, Amare, and Dwight Howard. Thats what 6 guys? So please tell me, how being on the same level with the elite athletes in NBA history makes someone "a stiff"?


Yeah, Nance, Robinson, Kemp, O'Neal, Amare, Howard... then Darryl Dawkins, Samuel Dalembert, Tom Chambers, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Jonathan Bender, Jeff Foster, BJ Mullens (come 2009), Andrew Bynum... the list goes on.

There is NO video evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of athletic ability that allows Samuel Dalembert to dribble full court and dunk from the free throw line in game. There is NO evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of coordination required for KG-like footwork in the post etc etc.


Judging from you're responses, you're the kid. Give it up join Lakerground or some other bs basketball site, you're not wanted here.

:sleeping

[2LeTTeRS]

I can name plenty of guys with far superior athleticism to whatever Wilt has shown. See below.



Yeah, Nance, Robinson, Kemp, O'Neal, Amare, Howard... then Darryl Dawkins, Samuel Dalembert, Tom Chambers, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Jonathan Bender, Jeff Foster, BJ Mullens (come 2009), Andrew Bynum... the list goes on.

There is NO video evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of athletic ability that allows Samuel Dalembert to dribble full court and dunk from the free throw line in game. There is NO evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of coordination required for KG-like footwork in the post etc etc.



:sleeping

I'm not going on all day arguing with you, you're obviously either (a) a troll, or (b) a gimmick account that only exists to bash the 60s like Bulls.

[OutOfPlace]

I'm not going on all day arguing with you, you're obviously either (a) a troll, or (b) a gimmick account that only exists to bash the 60s like Bulls.

In other words, you surrender? :roll:

[Cookie Monster]

In other words, you surrender? :roll:

In other words your a muppet.

[VeeCee15]

All video evidence suggests that Wilt Chamberlain is pretty stiff.
Video evidence is the best evidence.

In the videos, he is not exceedingly fast, coordinated nor does he possess
an insane vertical. Nor is he supremely buff ala a lot of the players today.

So basically, if he was here today given his innate athletic ability...I am sure he will be a good player but he wouldn't be the monster that is shaq.

[Psileas]

All video evidence suggests that Wilt Chamberlain is pretty stiff.
Video evidence is the best evidence.

In the videos, he is not exceedingly fast, coordinated nor does he possess
an insane vertical. Nor is he supremely buff ala a lot of the players today.

So basically, if he was here today given his innate athletic ability...I am sure he will be a good player but he wouldn't be the monster that is shaq.

And yet, I showed you a video of a past prime Wilt (closing to 35), clearly slower than before 1970 and during a typical playoff game, possess a great vertical jump (1:49), reflexes (5:40-5:42) a combination of these two (3:49, 5:28), not to mention fundamental values like great passing (2:58, 4:26), finger roll shooting (8:00), turnaround shooting (8:09) and obviously rebounding. Finally, you must be crazy if you don't think that a 7-1 player as presented in 6:35 or 8:58 isn't really buffed.

Just a past prime video from a single game was enough to blow the "stiff" fairy tails to smithereens. And yes, that's evidence. So instead of trying to come back with a 1-liner calling Wilt a stiff, I challenge you to comment on these plays, find any video from any game of any 34-35 year old center who (according to you) was NOT a stiff and justify why he wasn't. Go on.

[Scott Pippen]

I can name plenty of guys with far superior athleticism to whatever Wilt has shown. See below.



Yeah, Nance, Robinson, Kemp, O'Neal, Amare, Howard... then Darryl Dawkins, Samuel Dalembert, Tom Chambers, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Jonathan Bender, Jeff Foster, BJ Mullens (come 2009), Andrew Bynum... the list goes on.

There is NO video evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of athletic ability that allows Samuel Dalembert to dribble full court and dunk from the free throw line in game. There is NO evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of coordination required for KG-like footwork in the post etc etc.



:sleeping

:banghead:

[Jimmy2k8]

Outofplace mentioned that he owned "Full season" tapes of players in the
60's.

If you have these full season tapes of players in the 60's, then why don't you post em on youtube?

[Roy Munson]

There is NO video evidence of Wilt displaying the kind of athletic ability that allows Samuel Dalembert to dribble full court and dunk from the free throw line in game.


:sleeping

You do realize that since Wilt was such a terrible free throw shooter he would take one step and jump from the foul line and dunk it instead of shooting it before they decided it was against the rules, don't you?

I have two questions for you. Are you eleven years old? Do you have a dad that watches basketball or have a dad at all? I know most of the posters here that have respect for the history of the game probably learned about these guys from their dad, or the male father figure in their life.

And another thing. If these guys were such terrible, stiff, and unathletic players, why do the current players in the league have such great respect and admiration for the older guys? Why are they their heroes? Why aren't they spewing ignorant garbage about the older guys like you are?

I'm really looking forward to your answers.

[Loki]

How can anyone think that a guy who was 7'1" and a high jump star at the collegiate level (jumped 6'8" iirc, using an outdated method; would be at least 6'10"+ using the jumping method they use nowadays) could not dunk? :oldlol:

Imagine Wilt with today's training where they focus on developing the leg muscles specifically used for jumping and explosiveness? Wow. How many 7'+ players today could be competitive in the high jump and clear that height?

[CavaliersFTW]

35 year old man... would still be the most alien athletic freak in the league today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nyjiJVzxdA

[riseagainst]

because he banged 20k women in his lifetime. He literally banged 1 different woman every 28 hours (since when he was an infant). This doesn't include all the other times he banged the same woman. Tell me he wasn't stiff all the time.

[Psileas]

Lots of people can only see greatness when they live it...and even then, they often ignore it/downplay it because it serves them that way.

When you see a player from another era, who's so obviously skilled it's very easy to at least pass the eye test, yet you continue to pretend you saw a stiff, that says a lot about either your objectivity or/and your judging abilities in general.