Explain to me why Rose didn't deserve the 2011 MVP

Put up 25/8/4 and led his team to the best record in the East. How is that not MVP worthy? If not him, then who? It was debatable as to who the best player on the 2011 Heat even was, and they had an inferior record, so you can't give it to Lebron or Wade. Out west, you had Durant or Dirk maybe? I guess those guys had cases, but neither were quite as good in the regular season as Rose was imo.

I just see a lot of revisionist history from people (mainly Lebron homers). They act like it was a controversial MVP award or something, even though Rose was pretty much the consensus MVP by about March or so.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Put up 25/8/4 and led his team to the best record in the East. How is that not MVP worthy? If not him, then who? It was debatable as to who the best player on the 2011 Heat even was, and they had an inferior record, so you can't give it to Lebron or Wade. Out west, you had Durant or Dirk maybe? I guess those guys had cases, but neither were quite as good in the regular season as Rose was imo.

I just see a lot of revisionist history from people (mainly Lebron homers). They act like it was a controversial MVP award or something, even though Rose was pretty much the consensus MVP by about March or so.[/QUOTE]

That was dwight's mvp...

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Put up 25/8/4 and led his team to the best record in the East. How is that not MVP worthy? If not him, then who? It was debatable as to who the best player on the 2011 Heat even was, and they had an inferior record, so you can't give it to Lebron or Wade. Out west, you had Durant or Dirk maybe? I guess those guys had cases, but neither were quite as good in the regular season as Rose was imo.

I just see a lot of revisionist history from people (mainly Lebron homers). They act like it was a controversial MVP award or something, even though Rose was pretty much the consensus MVP by about March or so.[/QUOTE]
Dwight Howard. 23/14/3 on 60%. Was also the DPOY.

Lebron averaged 27 (+2) / 8 / 7 (+3) on 51% (+7%), while being on the 3rd best team in the league.

All the mentions and you miss the only one who had a case against Rose.

It's not that he didn't deserve it, because his case was pretty good for the MVP...

It's that he wasn't even a top 3 player that year, but he won the MVP because of narrative and his team's record.

The top 7 players in the NBA in 2011:

LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Derrick Rose/Kevin Durant

Because Dwight Howard existed that year and I noticed you conveniently left him out of the OP

lol you're not winning the MVP as the 4 seed in the East.

[QUOTE]They act like it was a controversial MVP award or something, even though Rose was pretty much the consensus MVP by about March or so.[/QUOTE]

It really wasnt close. He got 113 first place votes to the rest of the leagues....8. I think Lebron got 4, Dwight 3, and Kobe 1.

They have won on a 64 win pace with him since 09/10. Without him its I wanna say 45.

But still...its everything but him. Even if they go 33-7 with him in 2012 and turn to the Hawks without him.

That winning cant be traced back to the guy who...the moment he isnt playing...the team with the leagues best record is merely...ok.

[QUOTE=Suguru101]It's not that he didn't deserve it, because his case was pretty good for the MVP...

It's that he wasn't even a top 3 player that year, but he won the MVP because of narrative and his team's record.

The top 7 players in the NBA in 2011:

LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Derrick Rose/Kevin Durant[/QUOTE]


Since 1982-83, every player who has won the award has had a .610 winning percentage team or better, except for the two lockout shortened seasons. Which means, that the award is heavily in favour of a player who leads a team with a great wins column.

Whether you believe Rose to be the best player that year or not, this one determining factor is the reason why the best player on a team with a great wins record has won the MVP.

Rose won the MVP because there was a media wave that portrayed him as an all time great.

He wasn't even top 3 that year in terms of play.

He won it because he was a new young star in the league and he had the best record in the NBA. It was easy for the media to fall in love with him.

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]He won it because he was a new young star in the league and he had the best record in the NBA. It was easy for the media to fall in love with him.[/QUOTE]

I expected something a bit more mature than that.

There was a season in which Lebron had won MVP with the Cavs and I was convinced Chris Paul deserved it, but it came down to the wins column of the team. Same goes for Rose, the last 30 years, it has nearly always gone to the player with a superior team record.

[QUOTE=poido123]Since 1982-83, every player who has won the award has had a .610 winning percentage team or better, except for the two lockout shortened seasons. Which means, that the award is heavily in favour of a player who leads a team with a great wins column.

Whether you believe Rose to be the best player that year or not, this one determining factor is the reason why the best player on a team with a great wins record has won the MVP.[/QUOTE]

Dwight's team winning percentage: .634
Kobe's team winning percentage: .695
Durant's team winning percentage: .671
Dirk's team winning percentage: .695

All better than Rose in 2011.

He won because of narrative, because he wasn't a top 3 player in 2011.

[QUOTE=Suguru101]Dwight's team winning percentage: .634
Kobe's team winning percentage: .695
Durant's team winning percentage: .671
Dirk's team winning percentage: .695

All better than Rose in 2011.

He won because of narrative, because he wasn't a top 3 player in 2011.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't mean Rose doesn't deserve it or meet the criteria for an MVP, Rose had a team percentage over .610 which is what every MVP has had since 83'.

It is arguable that Rose was the best player, what you believe to be different is not FACT.

[QUOTE=poido123]I expected something a bit more mature than that.

There was a season in which Lebron had won MVP with the Cavs and I was convinced Chris Paul deserved it, but it came down to the wins column of the team. Same goes for Rose, the last 20 years, it has nearly always gone to the player with a superior team record.[/QUOTE]

No, it didn't. It came down to LeBron being a better overall player than Chris Paul, which ever year it was.

You can make all the wins and record arguments that you want, the thing is that the MVP should go to the best player in the league if he isn't in a losing team.

That's the reason nobody respects Charles Barkley's 1993 MVP. His team had 5 more wins than the Bulls, but everybody knows that Jordan was the best player in the league and that he should have won it.

LeBron, Dwight, Kobe, Wade and Nowitzki were all better players than Rose in 2011, yet he won because of his record.

That's why he shouldn't have won.