Anybody have some numbers? Would be appreciated.
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Anybody have some numbers? Would be appreciated.
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I don't have precise numbers for every season but he was drafted at 195 lbs as per DraftExpress. In his peak years from '87 to '93 before his first retirement he was about 200 lbs. For baseball he had to gain a bit more strength especially in the upper body so during the second threepeat he was visibly heavier. This was actually a blessing in disguise because as he lost his quickness and athleticism he could now rely more on his added strength to dominate in the post. He was probably around 210 lbs from '96-'98.
[QUOTE=dankok8]I don't have precise numbers for every season but he was drafted at 195 lbs as per DraftExpress. In his peak years from '87 to '93 before his first retirement he was about 200 lbs. For baseball he had to gain a bit more strength especially in the upper body so during the second threepeat he was visibly heavier. This was actually a blessing in disguise because as he lost his quickness and athleticism he could now rely more on his added strength to dominate in the post. He was probably around 210 lbs from '96-'98.[/QUOTE]
I found this:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261350[/url]
Cavs said:
[QUOTE]Playing Weight:
195 - rookie
198 - early-career
205 - 1st 3peat
216 - 2nd 3peat
223 - Washington Wizards[/QUOTE]
BTW, do you (or does anyone else) have any clue how accurate these numbers are:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2928348&postcount=7[/url]
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A few of these I haven't seen elsewhere before.
I know his early championship years when he finally started weight training he gained almost 5 pounds of muscle every season from '90 to '93. He went from 198 to 203 to 208 to 210 in 1993. He was around 210 in '95 when he came back, went up to 218 in '96, then dropped weight for the '97 season. Got back down to 208 - 210 for the next few seasons. When he came back for the Wizards, he had to lose a lot of weight. The broken rib injury from Artest in pick up games set him back and he played around like 220 - 225 during those seasons.
190 193 193 195 198 200 201 203 201 204 205 216 218
[QUOTE=fpliii]I found this:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261350[/url]
Cavs said:
BTW, do you (or does anyone else) have any clue how accurate these numbers are:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2928348&postcount=7[/url]
?
A few of these I haven't seen elsewhere before.[/QUOTE]
Add too that a 218 figure from his 2nd three-peat, so 216-218 was how he played after he added gym mass, something he did not have prior to about 1990 because the 'it will ruin your shooting touch' myth was still lingering around the league, but Jordan tried it and liked the results in the 90's.
His other measurements:
6-4 and 7/8ths height without shoes (1992 Olympics)
6-11 and 1/4" wingspan (Old SI graphic)
Also 9 and 1/2 OR 9 and 3/4 inch hand length depending on the source but what would really be telling which I have no sources for yet, would be his hand spread. Some players with long hands don't have broad hands, but he had both. His hands were huge.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Add too that a 218 figure from his 2nd three-peat, so 216-218 was how he played after he added gym mass, something he did not have prior to about 1990 because the 'it will ruin your shooting touch' myth was still lingering around the league, but Jordan tried it and liked the results in the 90's.
His other measurements:
6-4 and 7/8ths height without shoes (1992 Olympics)
6-11 and 1/4" wingspan (Old SI graphic)
Also 9 and 1/2 OR 9 and 3/4 inch hand length depending on the source but what would really be telling which I have no sources for yet, would be his hand spread. Some players with long hands don't have broad hands, but he had both. His hands were huge.[/QUOTE]
Nice, thanks.
BTW do you know if the numbers in the link I posted are accurate? The guy was banned, so I'm not sure if he was a troll.
[QUOTE=fpliii]Nice, thanks.
BTW do you know if the numbers in the link I posted are accurate? The guy was banned, so I'm not sure if he was a troll.[/QUOTE]
Some of those numbers seem plausible, but not all of them so I would take them with a grain of salt. Some of those players played so long ago that I doubt they ever even went through a process to take their standing and maximum reach but who knows. He never posted his source so that doesn't help either.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Some of those numbers seem plausible, but not all of them so I would take them with a grain of salt. Some of those players played so long ago that I doubt they ever even went through a process to take their standing and maximum reach but who knows. He never posted his source so that doesn't help either.[/QUOTE]
Which seem plausible?
[QUOTE]Kobe Bryant 8'10", 12'0", 38 in.
Shaq 9'8", 12'4", 32 in.
Vince Carter 8'11", 12'6", 43 in.
Malone 9'2", 11'6", 28 in.
Steve Francis 8'5", 11'9", 40 in.
Antonio McDyess 9'2", 12'3", 37 in.
Lamar Odom 9'1", 11'9", 32 in.
Older Jumps
Michael Jordan 8'10", 12'5", 43 in.
Dominique Wilkins 9'0", 12'6", 42 in.
Nance 9'4", 12'8", 40 in.
Dr. J 8'11", 12'4", 41 in.
Ralph Sampson 9'11", 12'11", 36 in.
Spud Webb 7'4", 11'2", 46 in.
Stansbury 8'8", 12'2", 42 in.
Woolridge 9'1", 12'3", 38 in.
Kemp 9'3", 12'7", 40 in.
Magic Johnson 9'1", 11'7", 30 in.
Daryl Dawkins 9'4", 12'2", 34 in.
Larry Bird 9'1", 11'5", 28 in.
Kevin McHale 9'5", 11'8", 27 in.
Dee Brown 8'2", 11'10", 44 in.
Harold Miner 8'5", 12'1", 44 in.
Pack 8'3", 11'7", 40 in.
Hakeem Olajuwon 9'6", 12'6", 36 in.
Thompson 8'6", 12'0", 42 in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=fpliii]Which seem plausible?[/QUOTE]
I will just give one example
Kobe cited with 8'10 reach
Jordan cited with 8'10 reach
The fact that these two numbers are the same is plausible, as both are virtually the same height (6-4 and 7/8ths vs 6-4 and 3/4) with virtually the same wingspan (6-11 and 1/4 vs 6-11). Also, I have read that Kobe could touch 24 inches above the rim as his max reach from a separate source. That is congruent with the max reach number cited. So, some of the numbers seem plausible, I'm not going to break down the plausibility of every number though I only deal with cite-able measurements and I am not certain of any of these. Some as I said seemed plausible however all them are questionable. Who measured these guys? When? Why were they measured? Does that mean more players from back then were measured in the same manner? Why isn't this data accepted by say, draftexpress which has been adding vintage measurements lately? Too many questions need answered before I will validate the plausibility of any of those figures with my opinion.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]I will just give one example
Kobe cited with 8'10 reach
Jordan cited with 8'10 reach
The fact that these two numbers are the same is plausible, as both are virtually the same height (6-4 and 7/8ths vs 6-4 and 3/4) with virtually the same wingspan (6-11 and 1/4 vs 6-11). Also, I have read that Kobe could touch 24 inches above the rim as his max reach from a separate source. That is congruent with the max reach number cited. So, some of the numbers seem plausible, I'm not going to break down the plausibility of every number though I only deal with cite-able measurements and I am not certain of any of these. Some as I said seemed plausible however all them are questionable. Who measured these guys? When? Why were they measured? Does that mean more players from back then were measured in the same manner? Why isn't this data accepted by say, draftexpress which has been adding vintage measurements lately? Too many questions need answered.[/QUOTE]
Okay, thanks.
Just wondering, do you have any data on Hakeem and David Thompson? I was looking for those two in particular when I found that post.
[QUOTE=fpliii]Okay, thanks.
Just wondering, do you have any data on Hakeem and David Thompson? I was looking for those two in particular when I found that post.[/QUOTE]
No data on either of them, no wingspan data, nothing. Hakeem I might be able to obtain weight data on but I've searched for measurement data from him in the past and have been unsuccessful. I've deduced he is between 6-9 and 6-10 w/o shoes though. No real measurement though.
Surprised if he only gained 10 pounds from rookie to first title. He was a twig his first year.
In the 1992 off-season he said 213-214 lbs was the heaviest he ever was to that point.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViiOHgnQm4w&t=29m40s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViiOHgnQm4w&t=29m40s[/URL]
[I][B]June 06, 1992[/B]
Early Wednesday morning, Michael Jordan went through his regular game-day routine. After awaking, and before leaving for practice, Jordan went to the weight room for a workout.
"I lift every day," Jordan said."Before games, it's all upper body, just to maintain the weight that I worked hard in the offseason to gain."
About 12 hours or so before the tipoff of Game 1 of the NBA Finals, Jordan set a personal record by bench-pressing 265 pounds. Then he went to the gym, and began working on his outside shot.
"I go over and shoot and get the rhythm," Jordan said. He got it. Wednesday night, Jordan continued his personal record-setting day by making a career-high six three-point shots, which tied an NBA Finals record.
When you're the best player in the world, that's how you maintain your status. Much is made of Jordan's so-called "natural" talent and his "God-given" gifts. There is no doubt that he is blessed with divine abilities. But he leaves nothing to chance. How many out there figured that Jordan was furiously pumping weights on the day that the championship series began?
"He's really dedicated himself to picking up a couple of pounds and getting stronger," teammate Horace Grant said. "Michael is definitely stronger than he's ever been. He's bigger, and it seems like he's a little faster, if that's possible."[/I]
MJ gained weight pretty quickly once he hit the weights. He had to weight train because he was getting mauled by Laimbeer, Rodman, Ewing, and Oakley.