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Wall/Beal
Wall/Beal
damn shame Bron Bron wasn't born in DC lol
*KD2016*
Wall/Beal and it's not close
Beal and Wall but DeRozan/Lowry over them
Wall & Beal because they actually play defense.
Wall & Beal and it isn't even close.
[QUOTE=hawksdogsbraves]Wall/Beal and it's not close[/QUOTE]
Silliness. :oldlol:
Not sure if this really warrants two threads at the top of the forum, though.
fix that.....wall/beal vs kyrie/waiters/lebron/love
[QUOTE=Cold soul]Wall & Beal and it isn't even close.[/QUOTE]
This.
Wall alone is a better defender than Irving and Waiters combined. Plus, I can't see JR Smith Part Duex being considered among the leagues elite back court duos.
Give me Klay/Curry, Lowry/Ross, Bleds/Dragic, Paul/JJ and Holiday/EJ over them tho
[QUOTE=bluechox2]fix that.....wall/beal vs kyrie/waiters/lebron/love[/QUOTE]
I thought the Wizards had one of the better fitting lineups in the whole league last year. Not the most talent, but a really nice mix of playmakers, shooters and versatile bigs.
Wall-Beal-Ariza-Gortat-Nene
That Gortat-Nene combination gave us fits every time we played them.
[QUOTE=qrich]This.
Wall alone is a better defender than Irving and Waiters combined.[/QUOTE]
Kyrie looked pretty damn good defensively in FIBA play. We'll see if that carries over. There's no reason he can't be a capable defender.
As for Waiters, he was arguably the team's best man defender on the perimeter last season. For a guy in his second year, he's progressing nicely on that end.
And, Kyrie has averaged 22 points on 50% from the field with 6 assists against Wall's supposed supreme defense over his career when they've matched up head-to-head. Wall has put up 20 on 42% shooting, while playing over 6 more minutes per game. Nice assist numbers, though... also much better shooters, fwiw.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=irvinky01&p2=walljo01[/url]
I've never gotten the vibe that Wall's defense has given Kyrie any issues. People automatically assume that athletic/long guys are these lockdown defenders. Wall is a pretty good defensive PG... nothing all that special.
And Kyrie turned it over over 3 times a game, much more in less time, while, Wall averaged a steal per giveaway. Wall also averaged 4 more dimes, with less giveaways. As far as FIBA goes, Wall would have terrorized opposition guards, not just been good.
Wall also has won 4 of the match-ups.
I think Kyrie will be better than Wall this year, but Wall was better than Kyrie last season.
Dion has much better PG skills and can break down defenses.
Beal is a better shooter and rebounder.
They are both really close but everyone loves to dump on Cleveland so "Beal is clearly better" :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=qrich]And Kyrie turned it over over 3 times a game, much more in less time, while, Wall averaged a steal per giveaway. Wall also averaged 4 more dimes, with less giveaways.
Wall also has won 4 of the match-ups.[/QUOTE]
Wall also had the better team around him. Also keep in mind that these numbers (including the W-L record), includes a game where Kyrie played under 10 minutes before getting injured. If you exclude that game, the series is actually 3-2.
Kyrie has shot almost 48% [I][B]from three [/B][/I]playing against Wall.
We're talking 50/48/94 splits. Wall's at 42/33/83. That's a little more of a disparity than 2.8 turnovers in 37 minutes as compared to 3.2 turnovers in 31 minutes.