Coach Thibbs: "When Jordan was playing..."

[url]http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/steve_aschburner/10/28/the-international-influence-mainbar/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a[/url]

A great article on the evolution of the "city game" into the world's game and the impact of internationals on the NBA.

I saw this interesting quote that could shed light on some of the debate on rules changes we were having here on ISH a couple months back..

""When Jordan was playing," Chicago coach Tom Thibodeau said, "if he was isolated at 12 feet or at the elbow, you had to keep your 'big' on the weak side. There was no way you could get him across the lane. Now that you can bring your big over to the strong side, elbow isolations become jump-shot plays. And there's usually four shooters on the floor, at a minimum, and some teams have five."

Feel free to disagree with one of the NBA's best defensive minds.

3ball is about to spam:oldlol:

Jordan Stans incoming

somewhere an alarm is going off in dondadda's basement

Damnnnnn I didn't know this!!!! No way is MJ the goat anymore
#lbj4lyfeeeee

[QUOTE=Dr.J4ever][url]http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/steve_aschburner/10/28/the-international-influence-mainbar/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a[/url]

A great article on the evolution of the "city game" into the world's game and the impact of internationals on the NBA.

I saw this interesting quote that could shed light on some of the debate on rules changes we were having here on ISH a couple months back..

""When Jordan was playing," Chicago coach Tom Thibodeau said, "if he was isolated at 12 feet or at the elbow, you had to keep your 'big' on the weak side. There was no way you could get him across the lane. Now that you can bring your big over to the strong side, elbow isolations become jump-shot plays. And there's usually four shooters on the floor, at a minimum, and some teams have five."

Feel free to disagree with one of the NBA's best defensive minds.[/QUOTE]

Wow didn't know that, i was overrating Jordan from the start, he should be outside top 20 because he's playing with this kinds of rule.

[QUOTE=The Immortal]

INB4 chest to chest.[/QUOTE]


:oldlol:

Makes sense.

Hand checking vs Zone rules have always been a give or take dynamic

Well i guess this drops him out of the top10 then

[QUOTE=The Immortal]3ball >>>>> Thibs on basketball. Nothing to see here.


INB4 chest to chest.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

It's an absolute fact that it's more difficult to score in today's NBA than it was back in the 90s.

All the rule changes from 2005 on were nothing more than to counter balance defensive systems like the aforementioned. It's all evened out now.

What's new? Rules change the game, there have been TONS of rules changes since MJ retired and the game is clearly not the same. Doesn't mean he couldn't play today. He would play different, that's for sure. But he would still dominate the game. Afterall, it was his mind/character/skills what made him who he is.

[url=http://grantland.com/features/packing-paint-nba-defensive-strategy-forcing-coaches-rethink-their-offense/]http://grantland.com/features/packing-paint-nba-defensive-strategy-forcing-coaches-rethink-their-offense/[/url]

“[b][i]A lot of the defensive strategies you see now are a natural evolution from rule changes[/i],” says Houston GM Daryl Morey[/b], in reference to the league’s decision a decade ago to abandon illegal defense rules and essentially allow zone defenses..

the new defensive strategies result from the rule changes, so the new defensive strategies only ensure that it remains equally hard to score under the new rules as it was under the old rules

One coach giving his opinion on one specific type of play is not thread-worthy.

What today's defenses gain in one area, they lose in another area - this has always been the league's intention with any rule change they've made over the years... The league would never change the rules so that one side (the offense or the defense) has a sudden big advantage over the other.

[i]This is why league-wide offensive rating (points-per-possession) remains stable over time, which PROVES that it is no harder to score today than it was 30 years ago[/i].

Teams score the same points-per-possession today as they did 30 years ago, because as the defense gains an advantage in one area (being able to play quasi-zones), they lose something in another area (having to play those zones while not entering the paint for more than 3 seconds and not being able to hand-check/be physical anymore).

So today's defensive strategies only ensure that the environment under the new rules where the defense has to guard more 3-pointers, stay out of the paint, and be less physical, [i]remains just as hard to score in[/i] as the old environment where the defense only had to guard 2-pointers, COULD camp in the paint and could be much more physical.

If anyone disagrees with this, answer me one question: if it's harder to score, why has league-wide offensive rating remained stable over the years and the same as it was 30 years ago?

like, people don't understand that the reason the Spurs offense is so bomb and role players look like all-stars, is because the Spurs are the best itl at stretching and bending the NBA's rules better than anyone else.

they exploit the defensive 3 seconds rule and take advantage of the defense having to abide by this rule, better than any other team.