Tim Grover thinks traditional weight training needs to come back.
[URL="https://www.basketballnetwork.net/tag/kobe-bryant/"]Kobe[/URL] was in trouble. He was 30 years old, and [URL="https://www.basketballnetwork.net/how-tim-grover-saved-kobes-knees-this-guys-pain-tolerance-was-off-the-charts/"]his knees were done[/URL]. Bryant called [URL="https://www.basketballnetwork.net/tag/michael-jordan/"]Michael Jordan[/URL] and asked for help. MJ’s answer was simple. “Use my guy.” His guy was [URL="https://www.basketballnetwork.net/tag/tim-grover/"]Tim Grover[/URL], and his diagnosis was simple – Kobe’s foundation was broken
[INDENT]“You build a foundation by lifting weights. The fastest, quickest way to get an athlete stronger is through moving metal.”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ Sports[/URL][/INDENT]Every organization in the NBA is constantly trying to get an edge. Like in everyday life, there are trends and fashionable innovations that spread like wildfire. In the race to be first, teams incorporate all sorts of workout principles that aren’t 100% proven. We got to a place where players are doing yoga in rooms full of bees. All that resulted in forgetting fundamentals.
[INDENT]“How can you have a sport now where you have so much more technology, you have so much more resources, less contact – more injuries. It’s mind-boggling to me. It’s because everything is rubber band, everything is resistance, everything is cable. There are teams now in the NBA that don’t even have a weight room!”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ Sports[/URL][/INDENT]Grover’s argument is simple. Moving iron is the single best injury prevention technique. You do a compound movement that can’t be duplicated by any other form of exercise. Sometimes things that have been around since ancient Greece stuck for a reason – and there are studies to prove Grover’s point.
[INDENT]“When you get hit, when you jump, when you land – there’s no pulleys, there’s no cables. Your bodyweight is the metal. You have to learn how to explode with it, and how to land with it, how to stop it.”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ ⚾️[/URL][/INDENT]
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It does have me thinking....
Who are the really injury prone muscle bound guys?
They exist....but relatively speaking....are there fewer?
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Dwight Howard
Blake Griffin
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwyane Wade
Off the top of my head...
Honestly I think players are just far heavier today which results in more injuries. There are, of course, exceptions...
I don't know. There seem to be far too many variable factors to be able to definitively narrow it down to 1 thing, I suppose.
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I’m trying to remember Shaqs major injuries. I remember the ab issue and the deep bone bruise when Jermaine O’Neal kneed him in the thigh. What was the rehab on the clock issue?
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14056494]I’m trying to remember Shaqs major injuries. I remember the ab issue and the deep bone bruise when Jermaine O’Neal kneed him in the thigh. What was the rehab on the clock issue?[/QUOTE]
It was his toe i believe... i remember his feet bothering him all the time.
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blake griffin is probably one of the most jacked guys in the league and he's always hurt. dwight's another good one. then you have lightweights like curry and kyrie always hurt. it's just luck of the draw with regards to body structure and motion mechanics.
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I was thinking toe. I don’t remember if he broke it or just had lingering issues. Some people just have accidents.
Shaq at one point played 79 games, 40 minutes a night, at 330 pounds playing more physical than anyone.
Coaches and trainers now would be appalled. Other than Thibs of course.
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It‘s an interesting point but I‘m not sure its true
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14056512]I was thinking toe. I don’t remember if he broke it or just had lingering issues. Some people just have accidents.
Shaq at one point played 79 games, 40 minutes a night, at 330 pounds playing more physical than anyone.
Coaches and trainers now would be appalled. Other than Thibs of course.[/QUOTE]
I don't recall if he ever broke it or not but I know it was lingering. Watching him in the early 2000s and late 90s I can say he didn't miss many games. But that was of course the era of sitting out = shameful/soft.
Shaq got abused with fouls because of the hack a shaq. We're talking players jumping on him to get him to the freethrow line instead of the and 1.
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Some guys over jack. It's just fundamentals, whatever you do.
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For anyone curious about what exactly he did with Kobe:
It was 2008. Kobe was 30 years old, and still had a lot to achieve in the NBA. If you asked Kobe when he would retire, his answer was “after no.7.” He didn’t contemplate his career in terms of years, Bryant was counting rings and wanted to get one more than Mike. For someone as athletic who never had a serious knee injury, so much knee pain was very problematic.
Grover and Kobe decided to work together, and the first step was to have everyone on the same page. The team trainer, massage therapist, doctor – every person had their point of view and goals (with the ultimate to get most of the credit). That approach had to stop, and there could be only one captain.
[INDENT]“When I came in, I told Kobe. If I’m gonna do this, I have to be the person in charge.”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ Sports[/URL][/INDENT]Kobe agreed. That didn’t mean Grover wanted anyone to get fired, Bryant could continue working with everybody but had to follow his plan and philosophy. With those terms agreed, it was time to diagnose the problem. That’s the least surprising part of this story. Kobe was doing too much. At 30 years old, Bryant already had 13 years of NBA under his belt. Grover’s main goal was to make Kobe understand that he is in a different stage of his career.
[INDENT]“It’s hard to understand that sometimes you have to do less to get more.”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ Sports[/URL][/INDENT]Athleticism implies two things – acceleration and deceleration. Kobe was overworking his acceleration ability (concentric contractions), which shortens the muscles and neglecting his deceleration ability (eccentric contractions), which lengthen the muscles. Because of that, every time he would land, change direction, etc. the muscles couldn’t take the load, so the cartilage and bones did. Thirteen years of that left its toll.
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[INDENT]We totally took the concentric phase out of his training.”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ Sports[/URL][/INDENT]Such a training regiment required a lot of creativity. To boil it down, Grover (and a few others when needed) would lift the weight, and Kobe would only do the negative part of the motion. With time, that would elongate the muscles and relieve the pressure on Kobe’s knees. The process of lengthening your muscles is a lot more painful, and that’s where Mamba came in.
[INDENT]
“One thing you know about Kobe; this guy’s pain tolerance was off the charts.”
Tim Grover, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6ZU-Azttc"]GQ Sports[/URL][/INDENT]
In the next two years, Kobe led the Lakers all the way and won two NBA Finals MVP awards. Grover always points out that someone’s physical training and recovery, the same as the game of basketball, is a team sport. Still, it can’t be denied Kobe played some of his best basketball after he started to work with “MJ’s guy.”
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14056487]It does have me thinking....
Who are the really injury prone muscle bound guys?
They exist....but relatively speaking....are there fewer?[/QUOTE]
Muscle bound like Ben Wallace. Mourning. Malone. David and Nate Robinson. Giannis. Andre igoudala. Lebron. All seem ok good injury wise.
Steve Nash was a surprise for me at the Lakers. He looked in great shape but always seemed injured.
Ac the ironman Green didn't seem a 'workout' junkie?
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And there is no way some teams don't have weight rooms..
Everyone looks buff to me. Starting with the PG.
