Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

Seems like there are only 2 camps out there

The ones who think Covid lethality isn't very serious and the need for a vaccine is ridiculous

And the ones who think Covid is extremely serious and the vaccine is helping a lot and needs to be implemented everywhere

Anyone else like me in the middle? I think Covid is super serious. I have a formerly healthy, thin, athletic cousin who's been in the hospital for 2 weeks with Covid. He's only 28 years old. At the same time I don't think this vaccine is doing shit. Take a look at the numbers

US now has more than four times as many cases of COVID and twice as many in hospital as this time last year with deaths up 80% despite 62% of population having at least one shot. With most of the population having the vaccine and even more people are dying, how is this vaccine helping exactly? :confusedshrug:

If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431118]Seems like there are only 2 camps out there

The ones who think Covid lethality isn't very serious and the need for a vaccine is ridiculous

And the ones who think Covid is extremely serious and the vaccine is helping a lot and needs to be implemented everywhere

Anyone else like me in the middle? I think Covid is super serious. I have a formerly healthy, thin, athletic cousin who's been in the hospital for 2 weeks with Covid. He's only 28 years old. At the same time I don't think this vaccine is doing shit. Take a look at the numbers

US now has more than four times as many cases of COVID and twice as many in hospital as this time last year with deaths up 80% despite 62% of population having at least one shot. With most of the population having the vaccine and even more people are dying, how is this vaccine helping exactly? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

They have to keep pumping up the numbers to try and force people to get the vaccine. If they report low numbers it will deincentive-ize the remain 40+% people to get it. The whole goal of this exercise is to put EVERYBODY on the leash. That's why they're combining with the private sector to mandate or you lose your job and can't even go to a restaurant.

So when you say the vaccine isn't working, you're right because its all a scam. They will report new variants in perpetuity and require non stop booster shots to combat them. Any injury or death will be attributed to the next new "variant".

When you look at places like Austrialia this is VERY scary. Were witnessing pure tyranny unfold.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431119]If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad[/QUOTE]

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Right because one guy who is known to abuse drugs and alcohol actually means something.

[QUOTE].Delta Air Lines (DAL), for example, recently announced that it will begin implementing a $200 monthly surcharge for all unvaccinated employees beginning Nov. 1.

"[SIZE=5]The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person," [/SIZE]CEO Ed Bastian wrote in a memo. "This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company. In recent weeks since the rise of the B.1.617.2 variant,[SIZE=5] all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID were not fully vaccinated[/SIZE] ." [/QUOTE]

[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url]

[QUOTE]. [B]Texas anti-mask ‘Freedom Defender’ dies of COVID at age 30[/B]

Jessica Wallace said her husband got sick in late July, but “was so hard-headed.”

“He didn’t want to see a doctor, because he didn’t want to be part of the statistics with COVID tests,” she said.

He then tried unproven ivermectin — a livestock dewormer that has been denounced by the FDA — high doses of vitamin C, zinc aspirin and an inhaler, the Standard-Times reported. [/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2021/08/texas-anti-mask-freedom-defender-dies-of-covid-at-age-30.html[/url]

[QUOTE]. [B]At my hospital, over 95% of COVID-19 patients share one thing in common: They’re unvaccinated[/B].

As an emergency medicine and critical care doctor at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle, I’ve lost count of the number of COVID-19 surges since the U.S. pandemic began in Seattle in February 2020. But this one feels different. [B]The patients are younger. They have fewer preexisting medical conditions. And at my hospital, over 95% of these hospitalized patients share one common feature: They’re unvaccinated. [/B][/QUOTE]

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/hospital-over-95-covid-19-122253397.html[/url]

[QUOTE]. Group of South Florida doctors stage walkout in protest of unvaccinated COVID patients

[B]A group of around 75 South Florida doctors staged a walkout on Monday to protest the number of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients flooding their hospital in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, MSNBC's Morning Joe reports.[/B]

The frustrated doctors want people to "[B]ignore the nonsense and the absurdities that you're hearing people say at public meetings and recognize the value of what a vaccine will do,"[/B] said Kerry Sanders, reporting on the ground in Florida. [/QUOTE]


[url]https://news.yahoo.com/group-south-florida-doctors-stage-153410458.html[/url]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431127]Right because one guy who is known to abuse drugs and alcohol actually means something.



[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url][/QUOTE]
What has that got to do with the fact that he's been hospitalized for Covid despite being double vaccinated :confusedshrug:

I thought vaccines were supposed to give immunity

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431136]What has that got to do with the fact that he's been hospitalized for Covid despite being double vaccinated :confusedshrug:

I thought vaccines were supposed to give immunity[/QUOTE]


Immunity? Jesus you are an idiot.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431139]Immunity? Jesus you are an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Vaccine definition

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide [B]immunity[/B] against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431119]If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad[/QUOTE]

Things have been opening up and people moving around since March and April when a much lower percentage of people where vaccinated, yet more people are dying now than then.

You are just as ignorant as the people in this thread who are claiming the virus isn't as dangerous. Y'alls answers are proving the point of my thread topic. We apparently must feel the need to buy into one camp or the other.

I'm sorry, whether these vaccines are useless against the new varients or they never worked to begin with the facts are indisputable. Just as many or more people are dying now with the vaccine than before without it.

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431143]Things have been opening up and people moving around since March and April when a much lower percentage of people where vaccinated, yet more people are dying now than then.

You are just as ignorant as the people in this thread who are claiming the virus isn't as dangerous. Y'alls answers are proving the point of my thread topic. We apparently must feel the need to buy into one camp or the other.

I'm sorry, whether these vaccines are useless against the new varients or they never worked to begin with the facts are indisputable. Just as many or more people are dying now with the vaccine than before without it.[/QUOTE]


The facts are that over 95% of the people dying aren't vaccinated. Your cousin obviously wasn't and neither are you. You are just making stuff up to rationalize your stupid decisions.

Just a few weeks ago I could go out to eat or to the gym without a mask. Right now schools are open. They weren't last year. But somehow in your twisted brain that doesn't have an effect on the COVID numbers.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431141]Vaccine definition

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide [B]immunity[/B] against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.[/QUOTE]


Wow you obviously live in a bubble or are just really dumb.

The drug makers have never claimed the vaccines give full immunity. What they have claimed, and what has proven to be true, is that severe illness and death are far less likely if you are vaccinated. It is also less likely that you will transmit the disease to someone else.

Just go to any hospital and ask them if they think the vaccine is working. Or just continue to wallow in ignorance.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431151]Wow you obviously live in a bubble or are just really dumb.

The drug makers have never claimed the vaccines give full immunity. What they have claimed, and what has proven to be true, is that severe illness and death are far less likely if you are vaccinated. It is also less likely that you will transmit the disease to someone else.

Just go to any hospital and ask them if they think the vaccine is working. Or just continue to wallow in ignorance.[/QUOTE]
A vaccine that doesn't work according to the actual scientific definition of what a vaccine actually is

lol :lol

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431156]A vaccine that doesn't work according to the actual scientific definition of what a vaccine actually is

lol :lol[/QUOTE]

You can't make a vaccine that gives full immunity for a virus that mutates. It simply isn't possible.

When people get a flu shot they aren't immune from the flu because the flu has so many variants.

The Delta variant didn't even exist this time last year so how could the vaccine provide immunity from it?

:facepalm