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[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html"]Florida's Covid Cases (7-day average) Have Declined 79% From Peak about 6 weeks ago.[/URL]
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Why did cases begin to surge right after 50% of adults in Florida became fully vaccinated on June 7th?
How did Florida bring the cases down 79% from their peak about 6 weeks ago?
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14447123][URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html"]Florida's Covid Cases (7-day average) Have Declined 79% From Peak about 6 weeks ago.[/URL]
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Why did cases begin to surge right after 50% of adults in Florida became fully vaccinated on June 7th?
How did Florida bring the cases down 79% from their peak about 6 weeks ago?[/QUOTE]
Great questions and graphic.
Extra question - what will this look like in the northern hemisphere during winter?
[QUOTE=oldtimer28;14447164]Great questions and graphic.
Extra question - what will this look like in the northern hemisphere during winter?[/QUOTE]
great question.
News flash, the Delta variant is very different from the original alpha. Ever heard of Delta? Bueller?
With the original alpha variant vaccinated people had a far less viral load than unvaccinated people. Once our vax rates went up then the mask rules and social distancing guidelines were relaxed.
Then the Delta variant hit over the summer. With Delta a vaccinated person has the same viral load as an unvaccinated person. Hence, vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
This caught people by surprise. Delta hit just as social distancing guidelines were eased leading to a huge spike in cases. Once people realized what was going on with Delta people became more vigilant with social distancing. Same thing happened in Isreal.
New information leads to new guidelines. Of course you clowns aren't interested in the hearing the truth. You want to pull up old quotes and play gotcha so you can pretend you have a clue.
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14447123][URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html"]Florida's Covid Cases (7-day average) Have Declined 79% From Peak about 6 weeks ago.[/URL]
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Why did cases begin to surge right after 50% of adults in Florida became fully vaccinated on June 7th?
How did Florida bring the cases down 79% from their peak about 6 weeks ago?[/QUOTE]
Good question. I actually do believe the vaccine works as far as hospitalizations and deaths so it's surprising to see this stat. Only thing i can maybe see causing this that supports that vaccines work is that there's maybe a lag in there system when it comes to reporting cases. That's a guess and a reach though. Also maybe around that time florida loosened restrictions and had no face masks and social distancing? I don't know if that's case just playing devils advocate and wondering if there could be another factor that caused that spike. If not that's pretty crazy man. Isreal has seen a similar trend but there was other factors like getting rid of masks and social distancing that could of attributed some to the spike in cases. I don't think that factor is as significant as others like tontoz does but it definitely would be a variable that has to be accounted for although this may to be the case in florida.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14447223]News flash, the Delta variant is very different from the original alpha. Ever heard of Delta? Bueller?
With the original alpha variant vaccinated people had a far less viral load than unvaccinated people. Once our vax rates went up then the mask rules and social distancing guidelines were relaxed.
Then the Delta variant hit over the summer. With Delta a vaccinated person has the same viral load as an unvaccinated person. Hence, vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
This caught people by surprise. Delta hit just as social distancing guidelines were eased leading to a huge spike in cases. Once people realized what was going on with Delta people became more vigilant with social distancing. Same thing happened in Isreal.
New information leads to new guidelines. Of course you clowns aren't interested in the hearing the truth. You want to pull up old quotes and play gotcha so you can pretend you have a clue.[/QUOTE]
I thought Florida dropped all their mask mandates and covid restrictions measures back in September 2020, before the vaccines were even rolled out.
What new guideline did Florida adopt after the Delta variant hit?
[QUOTE=tontoz;14447223]News flash, the Delta variant is very different from the original alpha. Ever heard of Delta? Bueller?
With the original alpha variant vaccinated people had a far less viral load than unvaccinated people. Once our vax rates went up then the mask rules and social distancing guidelines were relaxed.
Then the Delta variant hit over the summer. With Delta a vaccinated person has the same viral load as an unvaccinated person. Hence, vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
This caught people by surprise. Delta hit just as social distancing guidelines were eased leading to a huge spike in cases. Once people realized what was going on with Delta people became more vigilant with social distancing. Same thing happened in Isreal.
New information leads to new guidelines. Of course you clowns aren't interested in the hearing the truth. You want to pull up old quotes and play gotcha so you can pretend you have a clue.[/QUOTE]
See this is what tontoz and the cdc and fauci do. They come out and say all this b.s about the delta when it first came out even when they had no evidence if it was true or not. All i heard when delta first came out was the vaccines are just as effective for delta and the vaccines are more important then ever with delta because it's stronger and spreads faster. They said this shit even though they had no idea if it was true. Now when it turns out it was a load of shit they hide behind their incompetence by saying the virus and information changed.
Don't listen to this guy. Like fauci he's either a liar or at the very least irresponsible with his words. They intentionally or ignorantly unintentionally spread misinformation just like some antivaxers who they judge so harshly. They're hypocrites and are just as much part of the problem as some antivaxers.
[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21;14447229]I thought Florida dropped all their mask mandates and covid restrictions measures back in September 2020, before the vaccines were even rolled out.
What new guideline did Florida adopt after the Delta variant hit?[/QUOTE]
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[B]As of May 3, 2021, Gov. Ron DeSantis lifted any and all mask and face covering ordinances still in effect[/B].
That came months after the Governor put an order in place blocking enforcement of masks. [B]Businesses such as theme parks can still request face coverings be used or require masks to gain entry.[/B] But in the state of Florida, no government requires the use of masks, and a new law in place July 1 severely limits the ability of governments to take further action in future emergencies. T
he potential still exists for legal challenges to the law or the Governor’s action.
In the past, President Joe Biden hinted at a national mandate for masks when he took office on Jan. 20, but ultimately just encouraged use of masks as a patriotic duty. A significant number of Florida jurisdictions at various points since March 1, 2020, when the coronavirus first surfaced in the state, required masks in public and at designated businesses.
Even after DeSantis moved Florida to Phase Three of a state reopening, which he originally said would preempt any fines and punishments attached to local rules, [B]many mask ordinances were implemented and stood up to court challenges.[/B] Many jurisdictions continue to have fine ordinances on the books even though the penalties are not being levied and cannot be collected.
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[url]https://floridapolitics.com/archives/342364-beyond-the-veil-what-face-mask-requirements-are-in-place-in-florida/[/url]
Your timeline is a little off.
The new guideliness weren't from Florida they were from the CDC.
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WASHINGTON (NewsNation Now/WFLA) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says fully-vaccinated Americans who live in areas with “substantial and high” transmission should wear masks in indoor public spaces in the wake of rising COVID-19 cases.
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said they had reviewed new data in recent days that showed fully-vaccinated individuals could spread the delta variant more easily than previous versions of COVID-19.
“This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations,” she said on a conference call with reporters.
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[url]https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/all-florida-counties-should-mask-up-indoors-new-cdc-guidance-says/[/url]
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14447230]See this is what tontoz and the cdc and fauci do. They come out and say all this b.s about the delta when it first came out even when they had no evidence if it was true or not. All i heard when delta first came out was the vaccines are just as effective for delta and the vaccines are more important then ever with delta because it's stronger and spreads faster. They said this shit even though they had no idea if it was true. Now when it turns out it was a load of shit they hide behind their incompetence by saying the virus and information changed.
Don't listen to this guy. Like fauci he's either a liar or at the very least irresponsible with his words. They intentionally or ignorantly unintentionally spread misinformation just like some antivaxers who they judge so harshly. They're hypocrites and are just as much part of the problem as some antivaxers.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you post some quotes where i, or anyone else, said what you claim we said? You can't.
Your inability to understand basic English isn't my problem.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14447233][url]https://floridapolitics.com/archives/342364-beyond-the-veil-what-face-mask-requirements-are-in-place-in-florida/[/url]
Your timeline is a little off.
The new guideliness weren't from Florida they were from the CDC.
[url]https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/all-florida-counties-should-mask-up-indoors-new-cdc-guidance-says/[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't think my timeline was off according to this article:
September 25th, 2020
[QUOTE] Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis says he is lifting all restrictions on businesses statewide that were imposed to control the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19. Most significantly, that means restaurants and bars in the state can now operate at full capacity.
Up to now, restaurants and bars in Florida could serve customers indoors at 50% of legal occupancy. DeSantis said his new executive order lifts that restriction statewide, though local governments can keep additional limits in place if they're justified for health or economic reasons.
"Every business has the right to operate," DeSantis said. "Some of the locals can do reasonable regulations. But you can't just say no."
DeSantis also said his order would stop cities and counties from fining people for not wearing mandated face coverings. He said fines and other penalties imposed so far would be suspended. [/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/25/916969969/floridas-governor-lifts-all-covid-19-restrictions-on-businesses-statewide[/url]
But even if there was even more Covid restrictions dropped in May 2021 during the middle of the delta wave i don't understand how that could be an explanation for the 79% drop from peak numbers. Shouldn't it be the opposite? Florida clearly didn' t give a shit about those CDC guidelines so what's the explanation here?
Move to Florida if you want to be free. Stay in Liberal strongholds if you want to be a slave.
[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21;14447241]I don't think my timeline was off according to this article:
September 25th, 2020
[url]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/25/916969969/floridas-governor-lifts-all-covid-19-restrictions-on-businesses-statewide[/url]
But even if there was even more Covid restrictions dropped in May 2021 during the middle of the delta wave i don't understand how that could be an explanation for the 79% drop from peak numbers. Shouldn't it be the opposite? Florida clearly didn' t give a shit about those CDC guidelines so what's the explanation here?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that is an old article not to mention that it ignores all the local guidelines that were in place which counties can change at random times.
An example from the article i posted earlier.
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Charlotte County
County Commissioners on July 28 voted to direct all residents to wear masks in public places throughout the unincorporated county where social distancing is not possible, Fox 4 reports. The resolution came weeks after the county shot down a prior mask mandate.
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The CDC guidelines hit in late July. Remember that a person can have Covid and symptoms typically won't show up until 10-14 days later if they show up at all.
just because Desantis doesn't care about CDC guidelines doesn't mean the rest of the state is ignoring them.
Florida health officials have reported a 60% rise in COVID-19 cases, and hospitals are reporting that [B]95% of COVID-19 patients are not fully vaccinated.[/B]
[url]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-covid-19-surges-among-unvaccinated-in-florida-contrary-to-baseless-claims/[/url]
It's Delta infecting the unvaccinated although I am sure you won't accept that as reality.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14447235]Why don't you post some quotes where i, or anyone else, said what you claim we said? You can't.
Your inability to understand basic English isn't my problem.[/QUOTE]
You want me to find a qoute where fauci, the media and the cdc spread misinformation? No problem here you go that'san easy one they do it all the time. It will be harder to find yours because we had alot of back and forth and i can't recall exactly where you said it but i'll find it and post yours after. Here is fauci, the cdc director and the media either lying straight up being misleading to the point where they're spreading misinformation.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5507400001[/url]. Go to the second and third answer from fauci where he says it's important to surround children in schools with people who are vaccinated to keep them safe. This is an example of something fauci does all the time. He dosn't come straight out and lie and say the vaccines reduce the spread but he says something like this that heavily suggests hat the vaccines will stop or reduce the spread. I could find dozens of lines like this from fauci he does it all the time.
Here's one from the cdc director. [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFJXp1IeKk[/url] she does the same thing as fauci. She's spreading misinformation by making people think vaccinated people won't spread the virus. This is no different than lying. She also has done this dozens of time.
Here is one of good ol cnn spreading misinformation which they do often and well. [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbCljunhCk[/url] this is funny because it shows how fauci can flip flop depending on the question and the interviewer. When it's his lapdogs at cnn he's usual more bold with spreading misinformation. When it's a interviewer that asks better questions he's more careful in how he does it.
It's this misinformation that has lead the media, doctors and people like you to spread these lies. It's funny because pro vaccinated are always saying "listen to you doctors" but peoples doctors aren't doing the studies. They have no idea when it comes to the spread of the virus. They're taking notes from fauci and the cdc who have clearly been lying or at the very least been wrong.
Did you actually think i couldn't find this shit? Fauci, the cdc and especially the mefia do it alot:facepalm
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14447261]You want me to find a qoute where fauci, the media and the cdc spread misinformation? No problem here you go that'san easy one they do it all the time. It will be harder to find yours because we had alot of back and forth and i can't recall exactly where you said it but i'll find it and post yours after. Here is fauci, the cdc director and the media either lying straight up being misleading to the point where they're spreading misinformation.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5507400001[/url]. Go to the second and third answer from fauci where he says it's important to surround children in schools with people who are vaccinated to keep them safe. This is an example of something fauci does all the time. He dosn't come straight out and lie and say the vaccines reduce the spread but he says something like this that heavily suggests hat the vaccines will stop or reduce the spread. I could find dozens of lines like this from fauci he does it all the time.
Here's one from the cdc director. [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFJXp1IeKk[/url] she does the same thing as fauci. She's spreading misinformation by making people think vaccinated people won't spread the virus. This is no different than lying. She also has done this dozens of time.
Here is one of good ol cnn spreading misinformation which they do often and well. [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbCljunhCk[/url] this is funny because it shows how fauci can flip flop depending on the question and the interviewer. When it's his lapdogs at cnn he's usual more bold with spreading misinformation. When it's a interviewer that asks better questions he's more careful in how he does it.
It's this misinformation that has lead the media, doctors and people like you to spread these lies. It's funny because pro vaccinated are always saying "listen to you doctors" but peoples doctors aren't doing the studies. They have no idea when it comes to the spread of the virus. They're taking notes from fauci and the cdc who have clearly been lying or at the very least been wrong.
Did you actually think i couldn't find this shit? Fauci, the cdc and especially the mefia do it alot:facepalm[/QUOTE]
First one with Fauci, where exactly does he say that vaccinated people can't spread Delta? I must have missed it. Surrounding them with vaccinated people will protect them from getting Alpha. In that same answer he also said this.
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but getting everybody to wear a mask, you're going to get pushback from that. Hence the anti-mask mandates that you're seeing in certain states. My feeling is that I would rather have a child be a little bit uncomfortable with a mask on and be healthy, than a comfortable child without a mask in an (intensive care unit).
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2nd vid she says that the CDC isn't recommending that vaccinated people wear masks near the end of the video. Obviously that is a problem with the Delta variant since we know vaccinated people can easily spread the virus. The video was from July 15. The CDC pivoted not long after that. I don't know the exact day that their testing found out that the viral load for Delta was so high. The interview i found with Fauci where he talked about this was July 30.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci Talks [B]About 'Alarming' New Data [/B]On Breakthrough Infections
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Emphasis on NEW
[url]https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1022909501/dr-anthony-fauci-talks-about-alarming-new-data-on-breakthrough-infections[/url]
CNN eh i really dont pay much attention to them. However in the vid Fauci specifically says masks should be mandatory for schools so obviously he doesn't think vaccines alone are the solution.
He also said he didn't really hear DeSantis that well. However we have to keep in mind there are two variants. Transmission is much lower with the Alpha variant among vaccinated people. Not so with Delta. I didnt hear him specifically mention one or the other. His comments would be correct for Alpha, not for Delta.
Obviously the vaccine is effective at protecting from severe outcomes on both.
If they said (after July 30) that the vaccine helps prevent transmission of Delta then that would be clear misinformation. July 30 is the earliest date i can find where they talked about how easily Delta can be transmitted by vaxed people.