The 2011-2014 Heat don't seem stacked anymore

At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.

2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)

Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.

Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.

Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps

Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez

I heard today's lakers were so stacked they couldn't even win their first preseason game without kong. :ohwell:

Such a nice legacy lebron has added to the nba

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14837208]At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.

2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)

Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.

Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.

Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps

Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez[/QUOTE]

ehh, i believe you are forgetting a certain guy named Ray Allen.....!!

Lebron
D-Wade
Bosh
Allen
Andersen

An absolute STACKED and tough team.... who would destroy ANY team in the 2023-24 season!

They weren't ever to the level the narrative painted them at. 2011 was the big 3 and not much else. 2012 on Dwade wasn't the same 2011 Wade anymore, which wasn't even the same as 2010 Wade if we're being completely honest. In response the supporting cast got better. 2013 was a great team imo that could compete with all time greats. 2014 was a run down tired veteran team that was maybe the worst season as a team. They didn't have the personnel to run Spoelstra's defensive strategy anymore by 2014. I always felt the shock reputatuon of the team up outlived its reality by a bit. Even caused every roster following for Lebron to be called a super team when they weren't lol.

2011 Heat

Lebron 26 years old
Wade 29 years old
Bosh 26 years old

2023 Bucks

Dame 33 years old
Middleton 32 years old
Giannis 29 years old


And it's funny because you'll say Mike Bibby was ancient... he was younger than current Dame in 2011. And the same exact age as Kris Middleton. Big Z is ancient... he's the same exact age as Brook Lopez right now.

Your whole argument is just extremely biased and not based in reality. The Heat were massive +175 title odds favorites starting in 2011 with 2 MVP talents in their primes. Bucks are +600 right now. Celtics are more prime but still +450.

It's not even close...

[QUOTE=tpols;14837460]2011 Heat

Lebron 26 years old
Wade 29 years old
Bosh 26 years old

2023 Bucks

Dame 33 years old
Middleton 32 years old
Giannis 29 years old


And it's funny because you'll say Mike Bibby was ancient... he was younger than current Dame in 2011. And the same exact age as Kris Middleton. Big Z is ancient... he's the same exact age as Brook Lopez right now.

Your whole argument is just extremely biased and not based in reality. The Heat were massive +175 title odds favorites starting in 2011 with 2 MVP talents in their primes. Bucks are +600 right now. Celtics are more prime but still +450.

It's not even close...[/QUOTE]

If you watched the games you'd know clearly they weren't seen as ancient because of their age as much as their abilities to contribute by that point. It's no secret that guys last longer now than that time frame and even more so than guys the decades before. Most guys were toast alot younger than its happened for our current generation.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14837463]If you watched the games you'd know clearly they weren't seen as ancient because of their age as much as their abilities to contribute by that point. It's no secret that guys last longer now than that time frame and even more so than guys the decades before. Most guys were toast alot younger than its happened for our current generation.[/QUOTE]

The Heats core and bench players as a whole were much younger than the Bucks.

And they featured 2/3 of the best players in the league on one team. These examples don't come remotely close to that and it's reflected in the odds.

There's not even really a solid example today of a pair like Wade and LeBron teaming up since after Jokic you could name like 5 or 6 guys to claim the number 2 spot.

In 2010 it was Lebron Kobe Wade clear cut and no room for debate. So the collusion between the two was totally unprecedented.

[QUOTE=tpols;14837460]2011 Heat

Lebron 26 years old
Wade 29 years old
Bosh 26 years old

2023 Bucks

[B]Dame 33 years old
Middleton 32 years old
Giannis 29 years old[/B]


And it's funny because you'll say Mike Bibby was ancient... he was younger than current Dame in 2011. And the same exact age as Kris Middleton. Big Z is ancient... he's the same exact age as Brook Lopez right now.

Your whole argument is just extremely biased and not based in reality. The Heat were massive +175 title odds favorites starting in 2011 with 2 MVP talents in their primes. Bucks are +600 right now. Celtics are more prime but still +450.

It's not even close...[/QUOTE]


Thats nothing nowadays.

[QUOTE=tpols;14837466]The Heats core and bench players as a whole were much younger than the Bucks.

And they featured 2/3 of the best players in the league on one team. These examples don't come remotely close to that and it's reflected in the odds.

There's not even really a solid example today of a pair like Wade and LeBron teaming up since after Jokic you could name like 5 or 6 guys to claim the number 2 spot.

In 2010 it was Lebron Kobe Wade clear cut and no room for debate. So the collusion between the two was totally unprecedented.[/QUOTE]

The point that is clearly whooshing way over your head is this was 10 years ago, this era has different longevity period. 33 was one foot in the grave in 2013 for 98.7% of players' usefulness. Sure some guys could still hang on to roster spots for a variety of reasons, but ask yourself how many were able to play a prominent, important role. Not many.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14837498]The point that is clearly whooshing way over your head is this was 10 years ago, this era has different longevity period. 33 was one foot in the grave in 2013 for 98.7% of players' usefulness. Sure some guys could still hang on to roster spots for a variety of reasons, but ask yourself how many were able to play a prominent, important role. Not many.[/QUOTE]

Tons of players today have fallen off in their early 30s. Kawhi and Paul George can barely string 2 games together. AD gets hurt all the time and he's only 30. Middleton has been banged up and out at that age. Klay too. Kyrie and Durant out here missing whole seasons in their early 30s. Theres countless examples.

There's nothing about today that changed from 12 years ago from an injury perspective. We aren't talking true old school basketball going from today to a decade ago. Nothing changed but the spacing. The rules aren't different. We aren't comparing today to 90s prison ball.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14837208]At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.

2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)

Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.

Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.

Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps

Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez[/QUOTE]

They never were stacked historically speaking.

Compare that 2011 lineup with the 86 Celtics or 87 Lakers or 2017 Warriors.

They were a top 3 team.

[QUOTE]


Lebron 26 years old
Wade 29 years old
Bosh 26 years old

2023 Bucks

Dame 33 years old
Middleton 32 years old
Giannis 29 years old


And it's funny because you'll say Mike Bibby was ancient... he was younger than current Dame in 2011. And the same exact age as Kris Middleton. Big Z is ancient... he's the same exact age as Brook Lopez right now.

[/QUOTE]

people on here have been saying the big three Celtics don’t count as team hopping in their prime for 10 years on here when the youngest of them was younger than Kyrie is now, and the oldest was younger than Dame was entering [B]last [/B]season.


obviously, people are only as old as they have to be for the argument of the moment.

you're saying the amount of potential pay cut those teams had taken as a whole had consistently fallen under the radar no matter who you ask

if players knew what it takes to win a championship ring automatically qualifies the team as stacked, that's a lot of bad blood between players and owners

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14837208]At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.

2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)

Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.

Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.

Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps

Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez[/QUOTE]

That's because there are more stacked teams, so there's a little more balance. The Heat then were by far the most stacked team in the league.

And LOL at the usual low IQ suspects crying about LeShrivel needing more help. :roll: I guess two all stars and another poised-to-be all star isn't enough.

:lebronamazed: