Spain are the World Champs not your NBA teams... god damn yanks are so full of themselves to call the NBA champions "World Champs"
STFU untill you get better than 3rd.
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Spain are the World Champs not your NBA teams... god damn yanks are so full of themselves to call the NBA champions "World Champs"
STFU untill you get better than 3rd.
[QUOTE=Milkman]Spain are the World Champs not your NBA teams... god damn yanks are so full of themselves to call the NBA champions "World Champs"
STFU untill you get better than 3rd.[/QUOTE]
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I take it this thread was spawned by me calling the Heat the world Champs in the post your favorite lineup thread. Well, I have already taken it back and please dont call me a yank, its a Canuck, OK?
[QUOTE=Inspector Rick]I take it this thread was spawned by me calling the Heat the world Champs in the post your favorite lineup thread. Well, I have already taken it back and please dont call me a yank, its a Canuck, OK?[/QUOTE]
It may not be only for you, a lot of people here underrate FIBA basketball and consider the NBA champion to be the best team in the world.
i thought it was stupid even when USA was dominating the world teams.
It can't be a world championship if only one country is competing. OK two but Canada has one team, its ridiculous. At best its the North American Championship.
NBa Champions = World Champions
FiBa Champions= World Champions
Olympics Champions = World Champions
Deal with it. The best players in the world play in the NBA.
[QUOTE]If the best players in the world are playing in the NBA how come Greece, the team that beat USA have no NBA players?[/QUOTE]
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i cant wait for the flood of posts that say "NBA has the best players, they all want to come here because we're the best with the best league"
NBA champs are just the best team in that league not the world.
The title should be changed for NBA teams. Way too arrogant and not justified anymore.
[QUOTE=Heretik32]The title should be changed for NBA teams. Way too arrogant and not justified anymore.[/QUOTE]
exactly
[QUOTE=oldschoolreebok]i cant wait for the flood of posts that say "NBA has the best players, they all want to come here because we're the best with the best league"
NBA champs are just the best team in that league not the world.[/QUOTE]
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[quote=Milkman]If the best players in the world are playing in the NBA how come Greece, the team that beat USA have no NBA players?
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Actually, they do have NBA players. Vassilis Spanolis, the PG who lit up USA for 22pts, will be playing for the Houston Rockets this upcoming season. And I believe some team has the rights to "Baby Shaq".
There is no doubt that the NBA has the best players in the world. The best international players are playing in the NBA. Now just because we have the best players/talent, it doesn't exactly mean we'll have the best TEAM.
[QUOTE=AKADS]NBa Champions = World Champions
FiBa Champions= World Champions
Olympics Champions = World Champions
Deal with it. The best players in the world play in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
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NBA is the premiere basketball league in the world.
The NBA champs are the NBA Basketball World Champions.
They might not be the FIBA World Champions.
If an All-star team of the Euro game got together and played the NBA champions using NBA rules they would be slaughtered. (The opposite scenario would be closer but end up in a Euro win.)
The NBA and FIBA play two entirely different games of basketball.
We just sent an all-star team over last week and lost. You're saying that it was the FIBA rules that did us in? Which rule? No traveling?
[QUOTE=adamcz]We just sent an all-star team over last week and lost. You're saying that it was the FIBA rules that did us in? Which rule? No traveling?[/QUOTE]
I think its because your allowed to play help defense in FIBA, no gimmicks likes illegal defense
NBA and FIBA are two different leagues, no more, no less
FIBA champs are no more world champs than NBA champs are...
like someone already said, NBA is the best league in the world...Any player who can will play in the NBA over those other leagues...
The only illegal defense in the nba is the 3 second violation, right? FIBA doesn't have that? What is the lane for if they don't call 3 seconds?
[QUOTE=adamcz]The only illegal defense in the nba is the 3 second violation, right? FIBA doesn't have that? What is the lane for if they don't call 3 seconds?[/QUOTE]
they obviously call it on offense
and the other rule I dont like in FIBA is that no goaltending rule where you can knock the ball off the cylinder...NBA players instinctively wait for the ball to come off the rim(years of NBA ball will instill that instinct) while FIBA players just go take it....lost boards are costly
Just like world series in baseball. Yarr there be dragons out there.
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]Rasheed1[/B]
FIBA champs are no more world champs than NBA champs are...[/QUOTE]
LOL FIBA champs have World teams competing... you know... teams made up of people from their country...
WORLD teams competing for world championship... Spain Vs Greece NOT Miami Vs Dallas.
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]NBA and FIBA are two different leagues, no more, no less
FIBA champs are no more world champs than NBA champs are...
like someone already said, NBA is the best league in the world...Any player who can will play in the NBA over those other leagues...[/QUOTE]
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"FIBA champs are no more world champs than NBA champs are..."
most retarded post ever
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[QUOTE=adamcz]We just sent an all-star team over last week and lost. You're saying that it was the FIBA rules that did us in? Which rule? No traveling?[/QUOTE]
Smaller key, unlimited zone, shorter 3 point line.
A lot of players who can hit the international 3 would struggle shooting NBA 3's.
The NBA 3 point line also creates a lot more room for players operating in a zone defense.
The 3 second illegal defense rule also stops teams from playing 3 players in the key at all times to stifle moves towards the basket and coupled with the larger key area make a zone defense more difficult to use effectively. You can't just camp your biggest body in the key.
[QUOTE=oldschoolreebok]:roll:
"FIBA champs are no more world champs than NBA champs are..."
most retarded post ever
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Unbelievable!!! The NBA Champs only play teams based in the USA plus 1 team based in Canada. Is that your definition of the world? USA and Canada? lol
If Greece beat Team USA, then I believe FC Barcelona or Tau Ceramica can beat the Heat.
To the person who mentionned the rebounds thing: wow, what a stupid excuse! Why weren't other versions of Team USA affected? What don't we see Dirk, Gasol and all non American players do that all the time (grab rebounds while they're still over the virtual cylinder)? After all, they've been playing like that since they were kids.
And I don't follow baseball, but I believe Team USA also had their ass kicked there. Yet I bet whoever wins the World Series is called World Champion. lol
[SIZE="4"]NBA vs FIBA[/SIZE]
The NBA and FIBA are different alright....the NBA is just watered down BS thats a mere silhouette of what it used to be. All this complaining to refs, all these free throws, all this guard favoritism, all this rigging, all these fines, all these "superstars" who have no fundamentals, all these individuals....not TEAMS.
FIBA is what you call REAL basketball. Let the men play. Basketball is a game of teamwork and contact. Its not a game of touch fouls and constant nagging towards the refs. No player should get such overwhelming superstar treatment. If anything, the FIBA champion is the WORLD champion. The entire world uses its rules and regulations. The competition is comprised of teams...not isolation plays.
FIBA & NBA are two different leauges..
All countries are not represented in the FIBA and the rules are different between the two leauges....
there are teams and players in the NBA who dont get to play against FIBA teams..
If they did, maybe they would be 'world champs'.... its not that hard to understand if you have a brain in your head.....
it just two different leagues.....
[quote]wow, what a stupid excuse! Why weren't other versions of Team USA affected? What don't we see Dirk, Gasol and all non American players do that all the time (grab rebounds while they're still over the virtual cylinder)? After all, they've been playing like that since they were kids.[/quote]
dont be an ass hole.... it wasnt an excuse, it was a rule that I said I didnt like... big difference.. Foreign players who play in the NBA have plenty of time to practice and play under NBA rules clown, maybe that is why they dont have as much trouble adjusting to the rules...
did you ever consider that?
it's true that the heat would decimate any fiba team in a seven game nba finals and might win in the world championships, but fiba teams aren't allowed to compete in the nba playoffs, and nba teams don't compete in fiba tournaments.
[QUOTE]FIBA & NBA are two different leauges..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]it just two different leagues....[/QUOTE]
yes thats right... two different leagues, World League and National league hence the titles 2006 FIBA [B]World Championship[/B] and [B]National [/B] Basketball Association
[QUOTE=dejordan]it's true that the heat would decimate any fiba team in a seven game nba finals and might win in the world championships, but fiba teams aren't allowed to compete in the nba playoffs, and nba teams don't compete in fiba tournaments.[/QUOTE]
so what? only World Championships can produce a World Champion, not the NATIONAL basketball Association
[QUOTE=JSub][SIZE="4"]NBA vs FIBA[/SIZE]
The NBA and FIBA are different alright....the NBA is just watered down BS thats a mere silhouette of what it used to be. All this complaining to refs, all these free throws, all this guard favoritism, all this rigging, all these fines, all these "superstars" who have no fundamentals, all these individuals....not TEAMS.
FIBA is what you call REAL basketball. Let the men play. Basketball is a game of teamwork and contact. Its not a game of touch fouls and constant nagging towards the refs. No player should get such overwhelming superstar treatment. If anything, the FIBA champion is the WORLD champion. The entire world uses its rules and regulations. The competition is comprised of teams...not isolation plays.[/QUOTE]
FIBA! where you can set moving screens, man to man perimeter defense is illegal, and you have to flop like a fish to get a call! wait... that's what the nba is turning into!
[QUOTE=Semiprocappa]Smaller key, unlimited zone, shorter 3 point line.
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While I agree that bigs have limited efficiency with a smaller key, how can a shorter 3 pt line and zones can be considered valid reasons for NBA players to be less effective in the way basketball is played everywhere in world but in the US??
A professional guard should be able to hit an open shot from 6.25m. The skills went so downhill that it's a surprise to see an NBA player constantly hit a mid-range jumper...If you can shoot, zones won't affect you that much. If the team hits 2 or 3 shots in a row, watch the zone disapear.
NBA players are professional basketball players. They should be able to hit mid range jumpers! On the Dream Team, even the centers were hitting jumpers. They did it because they couldn't operate in the paint the same way as in the NBA. It wasn't athletism that won that medal in 1992, it was smart playing from players who possesed all the fundamentals, which certainly isn't the case of this generation.
Don't get me wrong, LeBron, Melo, Wade etc. are skilled players, but even when they try, their lack of fundamental skills is exposed. Basic shooting is required, refs won't give you all that superstar treatment, you won't be able to travel, won't be able to carry etc. Just play basketball.
[QUOTE=Milkman]so what? only World Championships can produce a World Champion, not the NATIONAL basketball Association[/QUOTE
uh huh. and? i'm not calling the heat world champs. i'm just making the statement that spain would get crushed by the heat if they played but since they didn't spain is the world champs. nice knee jerk reaction though.
im saying "so what" because that doesnt have anything to do with this thread. way to read the first post though.
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]FIBA & NBA are two different leauges..
dont be an ass hole.... it wasnt an excuse, it was a rule that I said I didnt like... big difference.. Foreign players who play in the NBA have plenty of time to practice and play under NBA rules clown, maybe that is why they dont have as much trouble adjusting to the rules...
did you ever consider that?[/QUOTE]
Yeah...I don't remember Dirk, AK47 etc. doing that in their rookie years. You know, after they left Europse after having played there all their lives. How long did THEY have to adjust? What, 2 months in the summer?? lol. Well, tell NBA players to do that too then. Next thing you know you'll start saying they were bothered because they couldn't take 3 steps to the basket and you didn't like it.
I agree. NBA champions should be called just that, NBA champions and nothing more.
[QUOTE=Diamonds]:applause:
Unbelievable!!! The NBA Champs only play teams based in the USA plus 1 team based in Canada. Is that your definition of the world? USA and Canada? lol
If Greece beat Team USA, then I believe FC Barcelona or Tau Ceramica can beat the Heat.
To the person who mentionned the rebounds thing: wow, what a stupid excuse! Why weren't other versions of Team USA affected? What don't we see Dirk, Gasol and all non American players do that all the time (grab rebounds while they're still over the virtual cylinder)? After all, they've been playing like that since they were kids.
And I don't follow baseball, but I believe Team USA also had their ass kicked there. Yet I bet whoever wins the World Series is called World Champion. lol[/QUOTE]
i'll start w/baseball.
baseball is DEFINITELY more of an international game. just keep in mind that baseball has been around for almost 100 years. back in the day baseball was as american as it could be.
but if you fast forward to 2006, w/so many international players from asia...japan and korea, all the central american countries, naturally cuba, baseball is a worldwide league. so sure, you can say for the last 30 years baseball has changed and IF the mbl wants to rethink 'WORLD SERIES' when there's been this century long precident...
as for the nba...
for the most part, this was an AMERICAN league. naturally there's the competitive part of the league and the business side of the league. the league wanting to diversify the league wanted to get international players into it.
it's pretty obvious that the best of the best of the world plays in the nba. why? because what translates beyond borders is an nba contract.
the rest of the world has the advantange of staying in their respective leagues around the world. they'll play longer w/their respective teams longer since i doubt the international players are worrying about whether their 'star players' are going sign a mult-year, multi-million dollar contracts unless of course they think they're good enough and enter the draft...the NBA draft.
funny thing is the players that go overseas AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH to play in the nba.
the international players MUST BE GOOD ENOUGH to come and play in the nba.
note the difference.
if the international fans want to be happy that that fiba beat out our usa team. you have a right to be happy about it.
you put together a better TEAM. that's the bottomline the world recognizes.
but if you really believe the best is from spain...
but but but but....NBA players can dunk better do sick crossovers!!!
[QUOTE=Diamonds]Yeah...I don't remember Dirk, AK47 etc. doing that in their rookie years. You know, after they left Europse after having played there all their lives. How long did THEY have to adjust? What, 2 months in the summer?? lol. Well, tell NBA players to do that too then. Next thing you know you'll start saying they were bothered because they couldn't take 3 steps to the basket and you didn't like it.[/QUOTE]
the only way to make this a valid argument is for a whole team of fiba stars with little to no experience playing nba basketball to create a new team to play in the nba with no more than a month to prepare. and for the record wasn't jasikevisius supposed to be the best player in europe the year before last? why couldn't he hold down a starting spot in the nba. i seem to remember a broken down dominique wilkins winning an mvp when he played fiba ball... of course dominique is old school and we're ragging on current nba standards, so maybe that's not a fair comparison. anyway this is a dumb argument, and i'm going to drop it. the original poster is right. nba champ does not equal word champ.