Cuban: "Over 5 players asked for trade if Avery returned."

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[url]http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/093008dnspomavsbriefs.19d9897.html[/url]

[quote]By DAVID MOORE / The Dallas Morning News

Mark Cuban said multiple players told him they wanted to be traded if Avery Johnson returned as coach this season.

The Mavericks owner revealed the gravity of the rift between Johnson and his players at Monday's media day when asked how he came to the conclusion that he needed to fire Johnson.
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[QUOTE][B]When asked if more than five players requested a trade, Cuban said yes. More than seven?

"Close," Cuban said.[/B][/QUOTE]

Wow. I had no idea it had gotten that bad. Thats one of the first times i've heard of something like that. I know Denver had that coup in the 90's against their coach, and Spree expressed his displeasure with the coach in his own....breathtaking way, but over 5 players outright demanding trades if the coach is still there? Especially when everyone thought so highly of Avery last year.

Wow. It is hard to know what to say abou this. Are they looking for a blame source outside of themselves, or are they justified in wanting him gone?

Time to guess who the 5 or 6 were.

Coach RC is in the same mold as Avery in terms of methods and gameplan. . so if they think they got rid little napoleon and brought in democracy, there in for a rude shock.

If half your team wants out, you know it's bad. AJ definitely has a Napoleon complex.

Are we supposed to believe Cuban ?
Or is it a protect your a$$ comment ?
I believe there is some truth to it , because I would not doubt there is at least one player or more on every team that doesn't like their coach.

im pretty sure one of the players was indeed Devin Harris

idk if this is true or not but really this is just low on cubans part. I mean the guy (avery) coaches this team for 3-4 years, bassicaly makes them a contender and puts his heart into the team and now you've bassically assured him of never getting another job as a head coach.(maybeeee in the future, but not for a while) I mean you can at least shut your mouth because honestly it wasn't all his fault and now your just pointing fingers.

that is bad... wonder if they tanked late last season on purpose to get him fired.

[QUOTE=Darius07]idk if this is true or not but really this is just low on cubans part. I mean the guy (avery) coaches this team for 3-4 years, bassicaly makes them a contender and puts his heart into the team and now you've bassically assured him of never getting another job as a head coach.(maybeeee in the future, but not for a while) I mean you can at least shut your mouth because honestly it wasn't all his fault and now your just pointing fingers.[/QUOTE]


Don Nelson really set up that Dallas team as far as their playing style. You knew it was just a matter of time before they became contenders. When AJ and Donnie faced each other in the playoffs, look who come out on top.

Dirk

Josh

Kidd

Diop

Devin

George

[QUOTE=Luigi]
Time to guess who the 5 or 6 were.[/QUOTE]

He said more than 5, and "close" to 7, so it is more like 6 or 8.

Avery seems like a real nazi, get in line coach, almost disrespectful. The shot in the nuts to Josh Howard see all the players they're scared when he runs up to them

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU[/URL]

[QUOTE=kumquat]Avery seems like a real nazi, get in line coach, almost disrespectful. The shot in the nuts to Josh Howard see all the players they're scared when he runs up to them

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU[/URL][/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: he probably requested a trade right after that:oldlol:

[QUOTE=kumquat]Avery seems like a real nazi, get in line coach, almost disrespectful. The shot in the nuts to Josh Howard see all the players they're scared when he runs up to them

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU[/URL][/QUOTE]


Little Man is sick in the head. :oldlol:

isn't it funny how a guy can win COY and end up being hated shortly afterward? seems to happen alot.

[QUOTE=Myth]He said more than 5, and "close" to 7, so it is more like 6 or 8.[/QUOTE]

Technically, I think you're right. I figured that since they were working their way upward, and Cuban said yes to 5, that he woudl say yes to 7 if there were enough. However, 8 is close to 7.

[QUOTE=jbot]isn't it funny how a guy can win COY and end up being hated shortly afterward? seems to happen alot.[/QUOTE]


In Avery's case, the team was set up for him. He took over Don Nelson's system and couldn't keep it going.

Sounds like they're a bunch of *******, and it won't get any better with Carlisle; they're in for a shock with him.

i'm suprise so much player so disrespect to their coach,from Flip and now Avery
BTW Mark Cuban is easily the worst owner i have ever seen,he involved **** that he shouldn't involved all the time,and his temper,he is just flat out stupid

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Sounds like they're a bunch of *******, and it won't get any better with Carlisle; they're in for a shock with him.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

This is how sick the NBA has evolved to. Players have guarantee contracts regardless how schitti they perform on court. And if they are not happy with anything, they simply can blackmail the team and demand to be traded.

[QUOTE=kumquat]Avery seems like a real nazi, get in line coach, almost disrespectful. The shot in the nuts to Josh Howard see all the players they're scared when he runs up to them

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUHIfOicCbU[/URL][/QUOTE]

That's hilarious. It looks like he does it on purpose too. :roll:

F uck Cuban. F uck Dirk. F uck Kidd and JHo. F uck the Mavs and this whole damn city!

[QUOTE=miles berg]F uck Cuban. F uck Dirk. F uck Kidd and JHo. F uck the Mavs and this whole damn city![/QUOTE]
calm down man,that's nothing we can do,right??:lol

[QUOTE=TakitoEspanoza]Dirk

Josh

Kidd

Diop

Devin

George[/QUOTE]

Dirk didn't ask for a trade :no:

[QUOTE=White Chocolate]Don Nelson really set up that Dallas team as far as their playing style. [/quote]

No he didn't. When Don was the coach they were nothing but a run and gun style team w/o any defense. When Avery got there, they became more of a traditional half court team with much improved defense.


[quote]When AJ and Donnie faced each other in the playoffs, look who come out on top.[/QUOTE]

That really had nothing to do Don knowing Dallas. Check the previous records between Dallas and the Warriors even before Donny became coach of the Warriors. Warriors in recent years prior to Don had already been "owning" Dallas everytime they played.

in terms of yelling the f--k outta their players, i don't see much difference between avery johnson ang greg popovich, except one won championships and looks old and grey, so he gets more respect. avery basically got his demeanor from pop; it wasn't from don nelson. guess if you go with the military approach, you better have the resume to command it. avery was barely a few years older than some of his other players.

[url]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711~1981~356~3224~3032~181~609~881&teams=29~6~6~6~6~4~4~4&te=&cash=29:4[/url]

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

r.i.p. avery johnson.

maybe it's not in a youthful coach's side to command respect and gain a young team's trust. the guys who asked for a trade, whoever those were, apparently were more important to cuban's little pretty franchise - while avery's services became quickly forgotten and expendable. cuban is the al davis of the nba. win win win now. that's not how it works fella. it takes years of cohesiveness, a mastery of the system, etc. you just don't disrupt that after a disappointing year. quit firing coaches, don't invest much in players. keep it going and play ball. nellie showed you that a couple years back. yeah, the coach you gave the axe to for avery. cuban, you are just a fan in the stands. stay there and stop being a distraction to your team's goals and be celebrity for your ice cream shop. let the coaches do their thing. you lost nellie. you lost avery. now you dig in you pockets and came up with a lint of a coach. square one buddy, that is where you will be next year with this knee jerk solution.

[QUOTE=FashionIssues]r.i.p. avery johnson.

maybe it's not in a youthful coach's side to command respect and gain a young team's trust. the guys who asked for a trade, whoever those were, apparently were more important to cuban's little pretty franchise - while avery's services became quickly forgotten and expendable. cuban is the al davis of the nba. win win win now. that's not how it works fella. it takes years of cohesiveness, a mastery of the system, etc. you just don't disrupt that after a disappointing year. quit firing coaches, don't invest much in players. keep it going and play ball. [B]nellie showed you that a couple years back. yeah, the coach you gave the axe to for avery[/B]. cuban, you are just a fan in the stands. stay there and stop being a distraction to your team's goals and be celebrity for your ice cream shop. let the coaches do their thing. you lost nellie. you lost avery. now you dig in you pockets and came up with a lint of a coach. square one buddy, that is where you will be next year with this knee jerk solution.[/QUOTE]


actually nelson elected to step down and hand the position over to avery and was planning to retire i believe, before the golden state offer came along

One of the players might have been Dirk, whining and crying that Avery was asking him to *gasp* rebound, and not back down and shoot fadeaways over Tony Parker. The nerve of Avery!

[QUOTE=High Potential]One of the players might have been Dirk, whining and crying that Avery was asking him to *gasp* rebound, and not back down and shoot fadeaways over Tony Parker. The nerve of Avery![/QUOTE]

No. Dirk is loyale.

Besides that, did you know that Dirk is the 3rd best playoffs defensive rebounder since defensive rebounds are counted?

[QUOTE=Silverbullit]No. Dirk is loyale.

Besides that, did you know that Dirk is the 3rd best playoffs defensive rebounder since defensive rebounds are counted?[/QUOTE]
Did you know he's also the number one seven footer when it comes to getting 15 foot fadeaways over 6'0" players in league history?

[QUOTE=Silverbullit]No. Dirk is loyale.

Besides that, did you know that Dirk is the 3rd best playoffs defensive rebounder since defensive rebounds are counted?[/QUOTE]
But he's a soft white Euro!
[COLOR="White"]Seriously, what does he have to do so people recognize his talent?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=High Potential]Did you know he's also the number one seven footer when it comes to getting 15 foot fadeaways over 6'0" players in league history?[/QUOTE]

If he hits his shots (and he does) I don't have a problem with that.

but when you're like a damn foot taller than your defender, it is your baskeball duty to go in and bust his ass, not fade away from him. that should be a friggin commandment set in stone.

[QUOTE=DCL]but when you're like a damn foot taller than your defender, it is your baskeball duty to go in and bust his ass, not fade away from him. that should be a friggin commandment set in stone.[/QUOTE]

Why?

[QUOTE=coles_brandon][url]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711~1981~356~3224~3032~181~609~881&teams=29~6~6~6~6~4~4~4&te=&cash=29:4[/url]

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:[/QUOTE]



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none of those players are worth trading dirk.. you a bulls fan? If I recall correctly Cuban didnt want to trade Dirk for Kobe, now you think the pupu platter of crap listed above is gonna get it done?

[QUOTE=TakitoEspanoza]that is bad... wonder if they tanked late last season on purpose to get him fired.[/QUOTE]

not a chance. that's ridiculous

[QUOTE=DCL]but when you're like a damn foot taller than your defender, it is your baskeball duty to go in and bust his ass, not fade away from him. that should be a friggin commandment set in stone.[/QUOTE]


Dirk is defended by players 1 foot smaller on the perimeter, if at all. Have you ever tried to back someone down from the 3-point line, or even FT-line? It's impossible. You'd have a case if he was constantly guarded by smaller players in the post and he'd retreat. That's not the case.