I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley
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I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley
He hasn't played one regular season game yet...it seems a bit early to write off his career. Maybe give until game three before you ship him off the D-league for the next ten years.
They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.
[QUOTE=Maniuchi]I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley[/QUOTE]
Hard to play well when no one on the team can make a shot outside of Gooden. Hughes has already played 30 minutes. No PG is going to play well alongside garbage like that. And for some inexplicable reason Del Negro had Hinrich start, who went through his typical 'fast start then go into a shell and start playing scared' mode.
This team is ****. Paxson definitely has to go. But I'm not seeing anything out of Rose that would make me think that he's playing bad.
Nobody coach + bad team = tough environment for any rookie to play well in. Especially a rookie PG.
[QUOTE=Mr_Basketball#1]They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]
Won't happen unless Paxson is fired. He has made the situation almost impossible for any player to succeed in. Rose is going to have to tough it out and hope someone can come in and fix the mess.
[QUOTE=Mr_Basketball#1]They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]
You HOPE he's going to be. To act as though it is a certainty is foolish. Especially considering the skills Derrick Rose lacks.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]You HOPE he's going to be. To act as though it is a certainty is foolish. Especially considering the skills Derrick Rose lacks.[/QUOTE]
yeah maybe that was a little premature of me to say, but I just feel with the skills he possesses such as his speed and explosiveness, that he will be a top 5 point guard in this league.
Honestly I was never that impressed with him in college. He has an awkward style of play and can't shoot. Hopefully he'll become an all-star though because the fans of Chicago deserve it.
What's top 5 PG going to mean in the coming years after Nash and Kidd are retired. You have CP3 and Deron at the top, and then who is Rose beating out? Devin Harris? Baron Davis?
Derrick Rose could be very good but it was just a dumb choice for Chicago unless they are going to go after a PF or Center in the coming drafts. I think they will be in the lottery next year.
just tuned in... he looks pretty good. awfully dependent on his raw athleticism and speed but he knows how to pass it at least. the bulls will be better off this year if they were a run and gun team. it seems to fit Rose's style better and Chicago's style better too since they dont have a lot of depth at big man size. When Drew Gooden is your only dependable big man scorer, its gonna be whack.
[QUOTE=Mr_Basketball#1]yeah maybe that was a little premature of me to say, but I just feel with the skills he possesses such as his speed and explosiveness, that he will be a top 5 point guard in this league.[/QUOTE]
those are skills, those are athletic attributes
[QUOTE=DuMa]just tuned in... he looks pretty good. awfully dependent on his raw athleticism and speed but he knows how to pass it at least. the bulls will be better off this year if they were a run and gun team. it seems to fit Rose's style better and Chicago's style better too since they dont have a lot of depth at big man size. When Drew Gooden is your only dependable big man scorer, its gonna be whack.[/QUOTE]
The coaching is awful. I have no clue of what they're trying to do with him. And outside of the Knicks there isn't a worst composition of talent in the NBA. A complete cluster**** of a roster. Even a videogame would have a hard time making it look good.
It's like the post-MJ Krause years have returned. Looks like I'll be watching more college games to see who the Bulls might take high in the draft. Maybe Paxson will bring in someone that can make shots. For once.
Derrick Rose is a player. the very first point guards I ever watched were Nate Archibald and Walt Frazier so I've seen a few. This man is a finisher ala Rod Strickland or Baron Davis but with more dynamic athletic ability and a strong passion for the game. I think it's more likely he will be successful than not. he won't be the greatest of jumpshooters but he does have a lot of potential in his mid-range game and he can put go into the chest of much bigger players and finish. I like his chances.
[QUOTE=Mr_Basketball#1]yeah maybe that was a little premature of me to say, but I just feel with the skills he possesses such as his speed and explosiveness, that he will be a top 5 point guard in this league.[/QUOTE]
Speed and explosiveness are physical skills. Physical skills are important but they alone do not guarantee top 5 status. You need refined technical and tactical skills to go along with the physical. Rose at this point does not have the tech and tact skill to go with his athleticism.
At this point looking at Rose as a player and looking at the Bulls current coaching staff I'm skeptical he'll reach the heights many hoped. Unless Vinny Del Negro teaches the pick-n-roll better than he played it Rose is going to fall short of his full potential.
KO King, have you posted which rookies you are impressed with at this point? Because I sense you are not really Rose or Beasley fan, so I am wondering who you do like in the 08 draft class.
Have you discussed in "my views on the game?"
[QUOTE=Maniuchi]I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley[/QUOTE]
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Based off a few preseason games? He played well towards the end of the game, and had a sick layup.
Rose is a project. They drafted him off potential. You didn't know this? His situation is entirely more pressure packed than anyone else in the draft. He's expected to be the best player on the team from the word go, be a young rookie PG leading a team, and developing in the pressure cooker of his hometown. And a big market with alot of expectations. Don't expect this dude to be ROY caliber even if he plays well.
He has alot to learn, he's gonna be a project for the next 2-3 years. But he has the HIGHEST potential of anyone in the draft.
Rose is already the best player on the team based on the few games that I've seen.(maybe Gordon changes that) His athleticism is a huge reason for that, and I don't see why that should be held against him when players like Howard/LeBron started off just as raw.
It just really stinks that he has to succeed in a poisonous situation. Everything about this team is terrible. Confusion everywhere. Coach has no clue. Guys that shouldn't be playing big minutes are. Young players looking like they haven't improved one bit since they were drafted. High paid vets folding under even the slightest bit of pressure.
And Paxson hasn't made a single move except to hire a first-timer head coach, draft a rookie PG, and let the Gordon situation play out to the absolute worst case scenario. Just a horrific job by management. This team is not winning 30 games at this rate.
Give him time to develop. He is playing on a team with arguably the worst talent of anyone in the NBA. Plus he is playing against the hardest competition he has ever faced. In college he played against maybe 1 or 2 NBA quality players a night now he has to play against an entire team of them. PGs have the longest adjustment period from college to NBA so give him a while to adjust before dismissing him as a bust.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]What's top 5 PG going to mean in the coming years after Nash and Kidd are retired. [B]You have CP3 and Deron at the top, and then who is Rose beating out?[/B] Devin Harris? Baron Davis?
Derrick Rose could be very good but it was just a dumb choice for Chicago unless they are going to go after a PF or Center in the coming drafts. I think they will be in the lottery next year.[/QUOTE]
Tony Parker or Gilbert Arenas? Then add Devin Harris, Baron Davis, Mo Williams. You project that over what 2-3 years, you probably have some good company for Derrick Rose to be keeping.
But this is all subjective, so who knows.
Who saw that mid air adjustment reverse layup by Rose? That was freakin nasty. Was Jordan like.
His finishing ability around the rim for a PG is insane.
who saw that reverse, omg that was so freaking sick
Wow, way too early for this. Chill out. Rose will take time. You don't just jump into the NBA at point guard and do great right off the bat. Even guys like Chris Paul went through growing pains.
Same goes for Steve Nash. Same goes for Chauncey Billups.
[QUOTE=Mr_Basketball#1]They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]
eh, 2-3 years seems soon... maybe 4-5?
His game has holes in it, but it normally takes point guards a while to get it, it will be a few years beore he should be written off not a few preseason games, or even this year. Look at the progress Mie Conley seems to be making over in Memphis right now. I know CP3 has everybody spoiled, but normally developing takes a while.
D-Rose will be just fine. He has all the support he needs from his family and the Bulls org.
He will be so much better once he goes through his rookie year. Bet on it.
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how did he make that seriously
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Speed and explosiveness are physical skills. Physical skills are important but they alone do not guarantee top 5 status. You need refined technical and tactical skills to go along with the physical. Rose at this point does not have the tech and tact skill to go with his athleticism.
At this point looking at Rose as a player and looking at the Bulls current coaching staff I'm skeptical he'll reach the heights many hoped. Unless Vinny Del Negro teaches the pick-n-roll better than he played it Rose is going to fall short of his full potential.[/QUOTE]
Did I just read someone say that speed and explosiveness are SKILLS? Hahaha... just when I thought this place couldn't get any dumber. Oh well.
Derrick Rose & Gooden for Lafrenz, Outlaw & Steve Blake
[QUOTE=Figlo]Derrick Rose & Gooden for Lafrenz, Outlaw & Steve Blake[/QUOTE]
Pease be joking. This new wave of Blazer fans are starting to get annoying.
[QUOTE=Vendetta]Did I just read someone say that speed and explosiveness are SKILLS? Hahaha... just when I thought this place couldn't get any dumber. Oh well.[/QUOTE]
He said [I]physical [/I]skills, what's wrong with that?
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]What's top 5 PG going to mean in the coming years after Nash and Kidd are retired. You have CP3 and Deron at the top, and then who is Rose beating out? Devin Harris? Baron Davis?
Derrick Rose could be very good but it was just a dumb choice for Chicago unless they are going to go after a PF or Center in the coming drafts. I think they will be in the lottery next year.[/QUOTE]
after billups, kidd, and nash are gone/have declined other pgs will step up. players i see with a SHOT of being top 5 pgs are:
chris paul
deron williams
derek rose
tony parker
rajon rando
russell westbrook
ricky rubio
brandon jennings
jrue holiday
john wall
patrick mills
a lot of these guys aren't in the league yet so of course i don't know yet, but to call rose a bust already is absurd. he hasn't even played 1 game yet. this year he could struggle, but look at steve nash's numbers in his first few years- he wasn't a double figure scorer until his 5th season in the nba. 1st year point guards tend not to make a HUGE impact with the exception of a few (magic, isiah, paul)
The Bulls are becoming the guard version of the Hawks SF problem. Everyone was making fun of the Hawks taking so many SFs and the Bulls are doing the same thing with guards. Good or bad, they need to decide who is going to be their back court and move the others.
All this hate started from a guy who said he was watching the bulls game and Rose "couldn't do anything" yet he dropped 9 pts and 7 assists on 4-7 shooting off the bench?
[QUOTE=Phenith]The Bulls are becoming the [B]guard version of the Hawks SF problem[/B]. Everyone was making fun of the Hawks taking so many SFs and the Bulls are doing the same thing with guards. Good or bad, they need to decide who is going to be their back court and move the others.[/QUOTE]
Or the guard version of the Detroit Lions wide receiver problem.. I think they drafted WRs in like 12 drafts in a row heh. THAT paid off!
[QUOTE=VanillaThunder]Or the guard version of the Detroit Lions wide receiver problem.. I think they drafted WRs in like 12 drafts in a row heh. THAT paid off![/QUOTE]
Well they just traded Williams for more picks. That team will be stacked with the best WRs in the league. Which means another 3-13 season.
Yes lets let one preseason game predict his whole NBA career. :rolleyes:
everybody has bad games, geez. u can't write this kid off so soon but there's bound to be haters towards a high draft pick that's not playing a perfect game every day. :rolleyes:
I swear people never learn. It is a preseason game, that's it, lets wait a year before we call anyone a bust. Not after 1 preseason game......
Seriously are some of you that dumb? Like the OP said, it's a f...................ing preseason game.