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They both were great players, I still believe Julius Erving is better but if Kobe should be getting compared to any legend it would be a guy is right outside the top 10 in Erving.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=ervinju01&y1=1987&p2=bryanko01&y2=2008[/url]
Same PER and virtually the same TS%
Dr. J averaged 3 more boards and shot 5% better from the field, while not being a threat from deep (which Bryant is, though that's not the strength of his game). Symptomatic of Erving being a pure 3. He could have played SG (which is Bryant's primary and best position) because he's just such a great player, but that doesn't mean he was true guard.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Dr. J averaged 3 more boards and shot 5% better from the field, while not being a threat from deep (which Bryant is, though that's not the strength of his game). Symptomatic of Erving being a pure 3. He could have played SG (which is Bryant's primary and best position) because he's just such a great player, but that doesn't mean he was true guard.[/QUOTE]
Like in how good they were and legacy.
Tmacsrockets at it again:oldlol: .
Its not really a bad of a comparison legacy wise at least at this point...
[QUOTE=Younggrease]Its not really a bad of a comparison legacy wise at least at this point...[/QUOTE]
It's not terrible if viewed in those terms but Erving is still ahead.
[QUOTE=Younggrease]Its not really a bad of a comparison legacy wise at least at this point...[/QUOTE]
I suppose if you only view Erving through his NBA days.
OhMyGod can we PLEASE stop comparing Kobe to these inferior players everyday... KOBE=GOAT..... KOBE>MJ>>>>>>>Everyone else........ He's not comparable 2 anyone. PERIOD
[QUOTE=kells333]OhMyGod can we PLEASE stop comparing Kobe to these inferior players everyday... KOBE=GOAT..... KOBE>MJ>>>>>>>Everyone else........ He's not comparable 2 anyone. PERIOD[/QUOTE]
[B]:roll: Kobe Groopies Crying:
[COLOR="Blue"] I Wanna Be Like Mike[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=kells333]OhMyGod can we PLEASE stop comparing Kobe to these inferior players everyday... KOBE=GOAT..... KOBE>MJ>>>>>>>Everyone else........ He's not comparable 2 anyone. PERIOD[/QUOTE]
He hasn't even shown himself better than Pierce. Pierce on a busted knee outplayed him. Billups who wasn't even a star outplayed him in the 2004 finals.
How can Kobe be comparable to Erving, if Vince Carter is so much better than Kobe?
[QUOTE=Jimmy2k8]How can Kobe be comparable to Erving, if Vince Carter is so much better than Kobe?[/QUOTE]
Who ever said that?
[QUOTE=TmacsRockets]They both were great players, I still believe Julius Erving is better but if Kobe should be getting compared to any legend it would be a guy is right outside the top 10 in Erving.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=ervinju01&y1=1987&p2=bryanko01&y2=2008[/url]
Same PER and virtually the same TS%[/QUOTE]
I dont even know why Im bothering to respond...I
You say T-Mac is better than Kobe, so T-Mac is better than Dr J?
Kobe is better than Erving. He's MUCH more skilled, better all-around, and has three times as many rings.
Larry Bird's career "per" is lower than Kobes, despite Kobe coming out of high school 5 years younger than Bird. Does that mean Kobe's better than Bird?
ISHiot:oldlol:
[QUOTE=eliteballer]You say T-Mac is better than Kobe, so T-Mac is better than Dr J?
Kobe is better than Erving. He's MUCH more skilled, better all-around, and has three times as many rings.
Larry Bird's career "per" is lower than Kobes, despite Kobe coming out of high school 5 years younger than Bird. Does that mean Kobe's better than Bird?
ISHiot:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Don't change the theme of the topic this is about Kobe and Dr J.
Anyway Larry Bird has led the league in PER before and he has 2 finals MVP's and 3 league MVP's. He is much better than Kobe.
Your attempts at bias arguments ignoring all reason don't accomplish ANYTHING. Do you not understand that ignoring the truth does not change it or do anything except make you look like an idiot:roll:
[QUOTE=bumpyknucks]I dont even know why Im bothering to respond...I
LOL @ eliteballer talking about "skills" -- typical Kobe fanatic tripe. :oldlol:
All those skills, and all he could do in the Finals is isolate at the top of the key, dribble around, and attack a set defense head on. Zero off the ball movement, zero flashes to weak spots in the zone, zero post ups, zero attacks from the wing, zero transition game, zero offensive putbacks. Same thing every play for 6 games. But yeah, he's tremendously "skilled." And we're supposed to value this skill over stuff like basketball IQ and decision making, which Kobe clearly doesn't have.
[QUOTE=Loki]LOL @ eliteballer talking about "skills" -- typical Kobe fanatic tripe. :oldlol:
All those skills, and all he could do in the Finals is isolate at the top of the key, dribble around, and attack a set defense head on. Zero off the ball movement, zero flashes to weak spots in the zone, zero post ups, zero attacks from the wing, zero transition game, zero offensive putbacks. Same thing every play for 6 games. But yeah, he's tremendously "skilled." [B] And we're supposed to value this skill over stuff like basketball IQ and decision making, which Kobe clearly doesn't have[/B].[/QUOTE]
if you focus so much on what Kobe cant do then way do follow the guy from preseason to the finals not missing a game?
[QUOTE=Younggrease]if you focus so much on what Kobe cant do then way do follow the guy from preseason to the finals not missing a game?[/QUOTE]
Because he's fun to watch, a great player (whom I can't stand), and I watch to see him eventually fail and look bad. :D I watch for the embarrassing head-shakes, jersey-popping, and "he can't hold me" comments to the crowd after he hits one shot out of his last 8. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Loki]LOL @ eliteballer talking about "skills" -- typical Kobe fanatic tripe. :oldlol:
All those skills, and all he could do in the Finals is isolate at the top of the key, dribble around, and attack a set defense head on. Zero off the ball movement, zero flashes to weak spots in the zone, zero post ups, zero attacks from the wing, zero transition game, zero offensive putbacks. Same thing every play for 6 games. But yeah, he's tremendously "skilled." And we're supposed to value this skill over stuff like basketball IQ and decision making, which Kobe clearly doesn't have.[/QUOTE]
Game. Set. Match.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Game. Set. Match.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression Phil was the coach not Kobe? Funny thing is that same offense got us to the finals through 3 tough teams. The reason the triangle stopped working wasnt Kobe it was Lamar being a little girl out there and Pau not being able to consistently create shots.
[QUOTE=KINGK]Kobe=G.O.A.T[/QUOTE]
He is the GOAT of collapsing in the finals.
:rockon:
[QUOTE=Younggrease]I was under the impression Phil was the coach not Kobe? Funny thing is that same offense got us to the finals through 3 tough teams. The reason the triangle stopped working wasnt Kobe it was Lamar being a little girl out there and Pau not being able to consistently create shots.[/QUOTE]how do you type with your head so far up kobe's a*s? seriously it was a total team melt down... from the caoching staff and its rotations to the lousy effort given by the guys on the floor...kobe was as much a part of the collapse as anyone else
[QUOTE=KINGK]Jordan shot horribly and his team still won in spite of his terrible play.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
No one averaged more than him and no one had a higher PER.
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-Worst[/url]
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[B]Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004[/B]
Lakers vs. Pistons -- [B]Bryant's PER 14.2[/B]
With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- he [B]shot 38.1 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22) as Detroit romped in five games.[/B][/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
He had a PER less than what the average starter in the league had.
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oh,yeah.[/QUOTE]
Why are 9-year olds allowed to post here? Shouldn't there be some kind of age requirement?
[QUOTE=gts]how do you type with your head so far up kobe's a*s? seriously it was a total team melt down... from the caoching staff and its rotations to the lousy effort given by the guys on the floor...kobe was as much a part of the collapse as anyone else[/QUOTE]
Kobe was a part of it but not as big as Lamar who was not a threat at all. Any time there is any adversity Lamar dissapears. He might come back and play good when he thinks the team has no chance and the outcome is decided but when its actually needed he shirvels up like my balls in Alaska. Thats why he needs to be replaced. Funny thing is I predicted this exact result the day that Pau got traded to LA, said that it would be great until they hit adversity and then the true colors would show through.
[QUOTE=Younggrease]I was under the impression Phil was the coach not Kobe? Funny thing is that same offense got us to the finals through 3 tough teams. The reason the triangle stopped working wasnt Kobe it was Lamar being a little girl out there and Pau not being able to consistently create shots.[/QUOTE]
Both coaches and players have to display the ability to adjust to the most current series. What "got LA to the finals" didn't matter.
The failure was shared. You can't dump it on Odom's doorstep.
[QUOTE=KINGK]Yeah, he sucked in the 04 Finals. Though I never did understand why peope never give credit to the incredible D the Pistons played. That was one of the greatest defenses in history he played against.:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
As well as in 2000 when he averaged 16 ppg on 36% and in 2001 he was terrible as well. He never once averaged more than 27 ppg in the finals and was always bad in the finals.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Both coaches and players have to display the ability to adjust to the most current series. What "got LA to the finals" didn't matter.
The failure was shared. You can't dump it on Odom's doorstep.[/QUOTE]
They tried to give Pau the rock...he was given at time 5,6,7 dribbles and couldnt score 1 v. 1 on PJ Brown or Leon Powe...granted Pau got his head into the game latter on though. Odom just did nothing but pass up open shots and suck. Maybe it all cant be dumped on Odom but he has a history of this bs and I still stand by the belief that this play defines Odom's career..
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3oE1EktIB8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3oE1EktIB8[/URL]
Wow its obvious this op is not a Kobe fan but yet he creates a thread talking about Kobe and once someone say Kobe is better he will just say "your wrong Erving is better". This clown just want to start another Kobe bashing before he can go on living his daily life, pathetic.
At the same time all this Kobe bashing will just make it all so sweet once the win the title this year and it wont matter if Kobe avg 50 points or 5 points per game as long as WE THE LA LAKERS take home the title.
somebody BAN this clown.
he is bringing down ISH
I think the sane people on ISH should think of a new name to call people like Loki, TMacRockets, etc... Or maybe we should have everyone respond the same way to their posts. :wtf: DUMBASS:banghead: is my suggestion.
[QUOTE=kells333]OhMyGod can we PLEASE stop comparing Kobe to these inferior players everyday... KOBE=GOAT..... KOBE>MJ>>>>>>>Everyone else........ He's not comparable 2 anyone. PERIOD[/QUOTE]
get off kobes 8=====D MJ = GOAT until further notice end of story
[QUOTE=bballog]get off kobes 8=====D MJ = GOAT until further notice end of story[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of Kobe fanboys too.
People like Lokie, TMacRockets = :wtf: DUMBASS:banghead:
Overly-obsessive Kobe fans = 8===D:hammerhead: KB
Lol....I'd like to know that amount of threads that TmacsRockets has posted in his whole entire ISH posting career....I am sure there's alot of them.
In terms of style of play, Kobe and Dr. J are very different.
[QUOTE=Loki]LOL @ eliteballer talking about "skills" -- typical Kobe fanatic tripe. :oldlol:
All those skills, and all he could do in the Finals is isolate at the top of the key, dribble around, and attack a set defense head on. Zero off the ball movement, zero flashes to weak spots in the zone, zero post ups, zero attacks from the wing, zero transition game, zero offensive putbacks. Same thing every play for 6 games. But yeah, he's tremendously "skilled." And we're supposed to value this skill over stuff like basketball IQ and decision making, which Kobe clearly doesn't have.[/QUOTE]
:eek: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=IMMORTAL BRYANT]JULIUS ERVING?
JULIUS ****ING TALENTLESS ERVING? :roll: :roll: :roll:
What a joke. The only player comparable in any way to Kobe is MJ, but Kobe's more athletic and has better handles and a better outside shot.[/QUOTE]
Cosigned......
[QUOTE=bumpyknucks]I dont even know why Im bothering to respond...I