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The best power forward prospects in the latest drafts. They met once in college, Beasley's Kansas State defeated Griffin's Oklahoma 84-82 on a Beasley's winning layup with 2 seconds left. Both played well, Beasley had 32 points, 11 boards and Griffin had 27 points,14 boards.
1) Who do you think will have a better rookie season?
2) Who do you think will have a better career?
Griffin for both. He is not as skilled as Beasley, but he makes up for it with work ethic and athletecism.
1. Griffin
2. Beasley
[QUOTE]1) Who do you think will have a better rookie season?[/QUOTE]
Griffen. Simply because he'll get the playing time. Beasley got about 24 minutes per game I believe, but was more efficient during the season as a scorer per 48 minutes than Rose or Mayo.
[QUOTE]2) Who do you think will have a better career?[/QUOTE]
Beasley. He wasn't drafted by the Clippers and he wasn't number one, no pressure.
I have Griffen on this. I don't know why I think it is due to his athletecism.
Beasley for the career. Blake wishes he had his offensive skillset.
Rookie season? Might be a tie if he goes to the Clippers. Gotta wonder how much action he will get to be productive.
I like Griffin better though I think Beasley may be more talented overall. Beasley seems unaggressive a lot of times while Griffin is just a freight train at all times.
I think Griffin. Just something about the way he plays. He has the killer instinct that Beasley currently lacks.
[QUOTE=Nanners]Griffin for both. He is not as skilled as Beasley, but he makes up for it with work ethic and athletecism.[/QUOTE]
I am Full Clip and I approve of this meassage.
Rookie season Griffin will have the edge. But I think he is overrated and probably wont end up as good as Beasley once its all said and done.
[QUOTE=wang4three]I like Griffin better though I think Beasley may be more talented overall. Beasley seems unaggressive a lot of times while Griffin is just a freight train at all times.[/QUOTE]
Yeah i couldnt think of how to describe them but it seems Beasley coasts, goes thru the motions whereas Griffin is all energy, agressive. Something like a Shane Battier. Not comparing games (cuz posters on here are idiots and will take go left field). But Shane is intense, real active. Thats what i get from Blake which is why I think he'll do better on the glass.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Yeah i couldnt think of how to describe them but it seems Beasley coasts, goes thru the motions whereas Griffin is all energy, agressive. Something like a Shane Battier. Not comparing games (cuz posters on here are idiots and will take go left field). But Shane is intense, real active. [B]Thats what i get from Blake which is why I think he'll do better on the glass[/B].[/QUOTE]
Plus he's bigger and more explosive. His attitude will also carry him far, he seems like somebody who will always try to improve and give it his all.
Rookie season might be Griffin simply because of playing time. Beasley will be the better player over his career.
Lacking killer instinct? Funny how he has a game winner last season and was placed in the line up at the end of the game during the end of the season.
How much playing time is Griffin going to get? Randolph, Camby, Kaman, Thornton. Who knows how LAC go about clearing room. He might not get no more time than Beasley did in Miami. We'll see how the roster unfolds tho.
I think Beasley will have the better career, he's a perimeter oriented 3/4 but he can score in a variety of ways and he plays next to a superstar like Dwyane Wade who can draws attention away from Beasley allowing him to excel as a #2 option.
Griffin on the other hand will be playing for a bad team where he will be the #1 option,but he relies solely on his athleticism and if he suffers a serious knee injury he may not be anywhere near the player he once was similar to McDyess who he is compared to.
Griffin will be the first option at LAC?
Gordon, Randolph, Thorton... ?
[QUOTE=plowking]Griffin will be the first option at LAC?
Gordon, Randolph, Thorton... ?[/QUOTE]
Thats assuming they trade Randolph because no matter what team Randolph is on he has to be the 1st option.
There is no way they bring the #1 pick off of the bench, espescially on such a horrible team like the Clippers looking to sell tickets & generate interest for this season.
In the last 20 years name a #1 pick who was successful coming off of the bench in his rookie year?
Kwame?
Bargnani?
Oden?
You just dont do that, if hes the #1 pick you give him the chance to become a factor as a starter for your team.
one more reason to make fun of my name..
Can someone point out what Griffin does better on the court compared to Beasley? The only thing I have noticed is rebounding.
Griffin is scary :(
[QUOTE=plowking]Can someone point out what Griffin does better on the court compared to Beasley? The only thing I have noticed is rebounding.[/QUOTE]
Better court vision, he could pass out of a double team
Plays with more intensity
Runs the court better
Finishes stronger around the basket
Rebounds better(actual boxing out technique)
Blocks more shots
You should have watched Blake Griffin this season, he played like a man amongst boys while facing very good competition which is why hes going #1 no matter what.
[QUOTE=Interminator]Better court vision, he could pass out of a double team
Plays with more intensity
Runs the court better
Finishes stronger around the basket
Rebounds better(actual boxing out technique)
Blocks more shots
You should have watched Blake Griffin this season, he played like a man amongst boys while facing very good competition which is why hes going #1 no matter what.[/QUOTE]
Very good?
Last time I checked, NBA>NCAA...
[QUOTE=Interminator]Better court vision, he could pass out of a double team
Plays with more intensity
Runs the court better
Finishes stronger around the basket
Rebounds better(actual boxing out technique)
Blocks more shots
You should have watched Blake Griffin this season, he played like a man amongst boys while facing very good competition which is why hes going #1 no matter what.[/QUOTE]
The same was said about Beasley dominating his competition, and the question was will it be able to translate to the NBA.
Furthermore, Beasley runs the court far better then Blake. I've watched Blake and he often positions himself far to low on a break, and can't really run one as well as Beasley.
Both are shocking passers.
More intesity? Who cares about that, all that matters is final product. See KG and Duncan for example.
Beasley averaged more blocks in college, as well as steals.
Beasley finished at a higher percentage around the rim I believe (I will try to find the link that said so).
So once again, it has basically come down to Griffin being a better rebounder and that's it.
All Griffin did in college was overpower college kids with his power and athletism. He wont get away with half the shyt he did in college. You're not gonna bully anyone for buckets.
[QUOTE=plowking]The same was said about Beasley dominating his competition, and the question was will it be able to translate to the NBA.
Furthermore, Beasley runs the court far better then Blake. I've watched Blake and he often positions himself far to low on a break, and can't really run one as well as Beasley.
Both are shocking passers.
More intesity? Who cares about that, all that matters is final product. See KG and Duncan for example.
Beasley averaged more blocks in college, as well as steals.
Beasley finished at a higher percentage around the rim I believe (I will try to find the link that said so).
So once again, it has basically come down to Griffin being a better rebounder and that's it.[/QUOTE]
Your love for Michael Beasley is impregnable, its like you are his agent.
Beasley does not run the court well for a SF/PF, thats not even arguable unless through total bias/ignorance for the truth.
blakes attitude, intensity, aggression, hustle, attention to detail, etc. whatever you wanna call it is so far beyond beasley's its not even a comparison and then combined with the fact that he's a full 2 inches bigger than Beasley, I dont see how anyone would take Beasley to start a team right now ahead of Griffin.
If Beasley had brains and actually showed some interest in playing? Sure, maybe it'd be debatable. But he hasn't, so its not.
brian griffin
Griffin will have the better rookie season and career. He's a legit power forward, he'll be given more playing time to develop and he's much more athletic.
I've watched 40+ Miami games this season. Beasley is disappointing, and I think his overall long-term impact is very much limited by his physique. He's not big enough or strong enough to be a power forward, particularly on the defensive end, but also offensively it leads to him getting bullied around and forces him to take weak shots.
Then people suggest he could be a small forward - but again, he's not athletic or fast enough to cope defensively (although offensively, depending on who guards him, he might find it easier).
I think Blake has the body that will enable him to develop into a better long-term prospect - he just needs to work hard on his ability to make best use of his athletic talent.
^Bingo. The key difference is that Griffin has legit power forward size. Beasley is a tweener and will need to develop a better J to play the 3.
[QUOTE=JohnnySic]^Bingo. The key difference is that Griffin has legit power forward size. Beasley is a tweener and will [B]need to develop a better J[/B] to play the 3.[/QUOTE]
Proof you don't watch Beasley at all. His smooth jumper is one of the best things he's got going for him, it's money!
[QUOTE]Proof you don't watch Beasley at all. His smooth jumper is one of the best things he's got going for him, it's money![/QUOTE]
Yeah but if he's gonna be a full time 3 that's another level of skill required when teams will be guarding him outside more closely.
[QUOTE=JohnnySic]^Bingo. The key difference is that Griffin has legit power forward size. [B]Beasley is a tweener and will need to develop a better J to play the 3.[/B][/QUOTE]
So...shooting 41% from three, 46% on jumpshots and 47% overall isn't good enough since that's what his averages for the season are?
[QUOTE=JohnnySic]Yeah but if he's gonna be a full time 3 that's another level of skill required when teams will be guarding him outside more closely.[/QUOTE]
He's the 2nd option on the team and when wade goes off he's the main option. He already gets a decent amount of attention, he usually just uses his first step to generate some room and hits a smooth jumper. Honestly don't comment if you don't watch him play.
[QUOTE=Meticode]So...shooting 41% from three, 46% on jumpshots and 47% overall isn't good enough since that's what his averages for the season are?[/QUOTE]
He will need to shoot 94% off midrange jumpshots if he wants to be effective at the 3. :rolleyes: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=plowking]He will need to shoot 94% off midrange jumpshots if he wants to be effective at the 3. :rolleyes: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:oldlol: at the lack of respect for Blake Griffin in this thread...
Blake Griffin is the most polished post player to come out of college since Tim Duncan.. nevermind the fact that he has Lebron James athleticism..
Beasley is nice.. but I doubt he ever even reaches a Melo-type level. Griffin is gonna be chasing rings by his 3rd year.
[QUOTE=GOBB]All Griffin did in college was overpower college kids with his power and athletism. He wont get away with half the shyt he did in college. You're not gonna bully anyone for buckets.[/QUOTE]
I remember people saying the same thing about Lebron James when he dominated HS.. even Jordan said "Lets see what he does in the NBA"..
Howd that turn out, Gobbie? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=unbreakable]I remember people saying the same thing about Lebron James when he dominated HS.. even Jordan said "Lets see what he does in the NBA"..
Howd that turn out, Gobbie? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
But then again Lebron plays at the 3, where he still had the massive size advantage against NBA 3s. Griffin probably won't have an advantage anywhere close to what Lebron has.
So people are saying next year Griffin will already be a better player then Beasley?
It's a fair comparison. Both the same age, and play the same position. We'll see who does better.
And I'm baffled at how these statements came about proclaiming Griffin a good defender. lol