Prime Riddick Bowe vs. 1990's Mike Tyson

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Who wins?


Riddick Bowe defeated Holyfield Twice in the 1990's, and I felt that he's one of the most underrated heavyweight champion of all time.

Prime Riddick Bowe had the size advantage, great jab, good power and a solid chin that's why I couldn't see Mike Tyson hurting him in the earlier rounds.

I could see Bowe stopping Mike Tyson in the 9th Round.

I also felt that a Prime Bowe would destroy and school the Klitschko Brothers, and dominate the current Heavyweight Division.

[B]Tale of the Tape
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[B]Riddick Bowe[/B]

[B]Height: [/B]6'5"
[B]Reach: [/B]81"
[B]Record: [/B]43 wins, 1 losses, 1 Draw (33 KO's)

[B]Mike Tyson
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[B]Height:[/B] 5'10"
[B]Reach: [/B]71"
[B]Record: [/B]50 wins, 6 losses, (44 KO's)

Tyson would Knock Him out

IMHO, a prime Riddick Bowe would have beaten any version of Tyson. Mike never showed me the ability to adapt to his opponent or that he could handle adversity. He would have had to do both against a fighter the caliber of Bowe.

I'd take Bowe via late round TKO over any version of Tyson.

[QUOTE=Lebron23Jordan]Tyson would Knock Him out[/QUOTE]

:roll: no. But he probably would've bit Bowe's nipple off, since that's as high as he could reach on Riddick. :roll:

[QUOTE=tastystaci]:roll: no. But he probably would've bit Bowe's nipple off, since that's as high as he could reach on Riddick. :roll:[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is retarded if you were alive for both. Tyson was way more dominating in his prime. Tyson's a legend. Bowe was a champ and not much more than that.

[QUOTE=Smokee]This is retarded if you were alive for both. Tyson was way more dominating in his prime. Tyson's a legend. Bowe was a champ and not much more than that.[/QUOTE]

Your retarded. Tyson beat up on bums, was all hype. Bowe would've MURDERED prime Tyson. Please STFU like you know boxing, because you clearly don't :roll:

[QUOTE=tastystaci]Your retarded. Tyson beat up on bums, was all hype. Bowe would've MURDERED prime Tyson. Please STFU like you know boxing, because you clearly don't :roll:[/QUOTE]


Look lil kid, if you were alive for both and not a blind retard it was obvious Tyson was dominating to the point of being feared like no boxer was. Bowe was a good figher but in their primes Tyson blows him away.

You're either one of them boxing purist ******s that only likes jab and move fighters, or a blind 7 yr old retard.

1990's Mike? You mean the post-prison mike? That old man? lol he couldn't even beat Holyfield, and Holyfield was so washed up at that point, he had to resort to headbutting tactic.

Prime Tyson however, will knock out anyone from any era.

[QUOTE=Smokee]Look lil kid, if you were alive for both and not a blind retard it was obvious Tyson was dominating to the point of being feared like no boxer was. Bowe was a good figher but in their primes Tyson blows him away.

You're either one of them boxing purist ******s that only likes jab and move fighters, or a blind 7 yr old retard.[/QUOTE]

:roll: Great post f*ckstick.

Answer me this genius. Who the f*ck did Tyson ever beat? I know he was completely manhandled by Buster Douglas and Holyfield, but really, who did he ever beat. All he did was smash scared ass bums that Don King put in front of him. When he actually fought a bum who wasn't scared(Buster Douglas) he was exposed. Bowe would not have been scared, he would of pummled Tyson from the outside. I honestly would bet every penny I had if this hypothetical matchup could happen.

[QUOTE=tastystaci]:roll: Great post f*ckstick.

Answer me this genius. Who the f*ck did Tyson ever beat? I know he was completely manhandled by Buster Douglas and Holyfield, but really, who did he ever beat. All he did was smash scared ass bums that Don King put in front of him. When he actually fought a bum who wasn't scared(Buster Douglas) he was exposed. Bowe would not have been scared, he would of pummled Tyson from the outside. I honestly would bet every penny I had if this hypothetical matchup could happen.[/QUOTE]


This isn't even an argument jackass. Any boxing fan will tell you Tyson in his prime is a legend. Bowe was just a champ. You think i'm going to waste my time trying to convince some punk 7 yr old on a bball forum right from wrong? Common sense from stupid?

You're just a dumbass :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Smokee]This isn't even an argument jackass. Any boxing fan will tell you Tyson in his prime is a legend. Bowe was just a champ. You think i'm going to waste my time trying to convince some punk 7 yr old on a bball forum right from wrong? Common sense from stupid?

You're just a dumbass :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Runaway with your tail between your legs you f*ckin clown :roll:

[QUOTE=tastystaci]Runaway with your tail between your legs you f*ckin clown :roll:[/QUOTE]


dude its common sense. All you can talk about is when Tyson was old and washed up. You think his prime was Holyfield or Douglass? Like i said lil boy, you're just as dumb as the Kobe fans comparing him to MJ with this **** :rolleyes:

Is this a joke?

It seems to be that most boxing fans pick against Mike as it seems to make them look more knowledgable. In actual fact it does the complete opposite. Mike in his prime, before prison, was possibly the greatest fighter ever. The guy was one of the best, if not the best techincal, yes technical boxers there has ever been. Furthermore, hitting power, it was off the charts. Though another facet of Mike's that gets underrated is his speed and defense. Mike was incredibly conditioned, to the point where he was always moving in the ring, and always had his head weaving going. Furthermore his punching speed was amazing. There was a report posted on youtube that showed Mike laying out 4 punch combos in under a second. I mean for a heavyweight, that is just damn incredible.

Mike Tyson is, and always will be the most underrated boxer of all time, most likely due to the competition he faced, which is overblown, and due to the character he was off and on the court. Boxing fans refuse to give him credit because of this.

[QUOTE=plowking]Is this a joke?

It seems to be that most boxing fans pick against Mike as it seems to make them look more knowledgable. In actual fact it does the complete opposite. Mike in his prime, before prison, was possibly the greatest fighter ever. The guy was one of the best, if not the best techincal, yes technical boxers there has ever been. Furthermore, hitting power, it was off the charts. Though another facet of Mike's that gets underrated is his speed and defense. Mike was incredibly conditioned, to the point where he was always moving in the ring, and always had his head weaving going. Furthermore his punching speed was amazing. There was a report posted on youtube that showed Mike laying out 4 punch combos in under a second. I mean for a heavyweight, that is just damn incredible.

Mike Tyson is, and always will be the most underrated boxer of all time, most likely due to the competition he faced, which is overblown, and due to the character he was off and on the court. Boxing fans refuse to give him credit because of this.[/QUOTE]


A lot of it is because newer generations have seen him do the crazy stuff like biting, tatooing his face, and still looking big but not having that fire. People don't realize how feared Tyson was in his prime and how much he dominated the sport. He was right there with Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan as some of the most memorable entertainers of the 80's. I wasn't a Michael Jackson fan, but i loved watching MJ play, and Tyson fight back then. That was basically my whole sports world.

[QUOTE=Smokee]A lot of it is because newer generations have seen him do the crazy stuff like biting, tatooing his face, and still looking big but not having that fire. People don't realize how feared Tyson was in his prime and how much he dominated the sport. He was right there with Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan as some of the most memorable [B]entertainers[/B] of the 80's. I wasn't a Michael Jackson fan, but i loved watching MJ play, and Tyson fight back then. That was basically my whole sports world.[/QUOTE]

You said it. He was entertaining. And I grew up during the 80's, I saw plenty of his fights, not just a youtube vid of his knockouts. He was a destroyer of bums, that is until he met Buster Douglas BEFORE prison. Riddick Bowe was 44-1, the ONE loss coming in a decision against Evander Holyfield, who Bowe beat two other times. A guy who completely destroyed Tyson, who was also well out of his prime. Bowe was more of a headcase than Tyson, coming to matches embarrassingly out of shape which is why HE is the one underrated, not Mike Tyson like the other clown Plowking stated.

[QUOTE=tastystaci]You said it. He was entertaining. And I grew up during the 80's, I saw plenty of his fights, not just a youtube vid of his knockouts. He was a destroyer of bums, that is until he met Buster Douglas BEFORE prison. Riddick Bowe was 44-1, the ONE loss coming in a decision against Evander Holyfield, who Bowe beat two other times. A guy who completely destroyed Tyson, who was also well out of his prime. Bowe was more of a headcase than Tyson, coming to matches embarrassingly out of shape which is why HE is the one underrated, not Mike Tyson like the other clown Plowking stated.[/QUOTE]


Why do you keep talking about Buster like he was some good fighter? That **** would've never happened when Tyson was in his prime. That was exactly where he started going downhill.

I saw Bowe fight a lot. He's from DC near where i live but there is no way you could put him on Tyson's level in his prime. Just no f'in way and its a goddamn travesty anyone would even try to reinvent history like that :ohwell:

Don't worry about him Smokee, he will just tell you the sport is rigged just like the NBA, and that every finals is decided by the commisioner of the sport. Forget him, it's only time the conspiracy theories start popping up from his side.

[QUOTE=Smokee]Why do you keep talking about Buster like he was some good fighter? [B]That **** would've never happened when Tyson was in [/B][B]his prime[/B]. That was exactly where he started going downhill.

I saw Bowe fight a lot. He's from DC near where i live but there is no way you could put him on Tyson's level in his prime. Just no f'in way and its a goddamn travesty anyone would even try to reinvent history like that :ohwell:[/QUOTE]

Douglas put Tyson on the canvas on Feb 11, 1990. TYSON WAS 24 YEARS OLD!!! WTF are you talking about??? :roll: You and Plowking should just run away. You are both epic f*ckin failures. Tyson was an overhyped bum, Riddick would've smashed him. Now GTFO.

[QUOTE=tastystaci]Douglas put Tyson on the canvas on Feb 11, 1990. TYSON WAS 24 YEARS OLD!!! WTF are you talking about??? :roll: You and Plowking should just run away. You are both epic f*ckin failures. Tyson was an overhyped bum, Riddick would've smashed him. Now GTFO.[/QUOTE]

Funnily enough it was at the time Tyson's mentor Kevin Rooney had left him. Another coincidence was right after this he completely forgot what he was taught and started going for the one punch K.O. from the very beginning of the fight.

If you knew anything about Tyson or his career you would know that once D'Amato died, and Rooney left him, he was a complete mess. The Tyson with Rooney by his side would have destroyed Bowe, and easily may I add.

[QUOTE=plowking]It seems to be that most boxing fans pick against Mike as it seems to make them look more knowledgable. In actual fact it does the complete opposite. Mike in his prime, before prison, was possibly the [B]most overrated athlete[/B] ever.[/QUOTE]
Fixed your post.

My goodness... Tyson is so overrated by the masses that it makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even muster up the energy to respond to the idiocy in this thread.

Man, some people sure do like putting Tyson up on an invincible pedestal... What do you think about this article?
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/167858-mike-tyson-overrated-overhyped-or-simply-misunderstood[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryV4G4wLdFk[/url]

THIS IS HOW THE FIGHT WOULD END^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryV4G4wLdFk[/url]

THIS IS HOW THE FIGHT WOULD END^^^^^^^^^^^^^[/QUOTE]
Yeah... Because Bowe was exactly like Razor Ruddock... Btw, Tommy Morrison knocked out Ruddock in two rounds a couple of years after Tyson beat him. :oldlol: Real quality win, there.

Vitali Klitschko would put up a better fight against Bowe than a pre/post/whateverthe****ever version of Tyson. Mentally Mike had deteriorated tremendously by the time of his first loss, but he never beat anyone. Looked great against cans? Sure. One of the most destructive of all time? Yeah. But he never beat anybody.

People always hate on the K-brothers because their competition is weak, but Vitali is a damn fine boxer. Would have been a damn fine boxer in any era. Cat's had some real bad luck with injuries and cuts but he's a much better fighter than his brother.

90s Tyson was absolute garbage. Bowe would easily win.

prime riddick bowe would probably knock out 1990's mike tyson but prime mike tyson in the late 80's would stand a great chance against anyone in their prime.

[QUOTE=tastystaci]Douglas put Tyson on the canvas on Feb 11, 1990. TYSON WAS 24 YEARS OLD!!! WTF are you talking about??? :roll: You and Plowking should just run away. You are both epic f*ckin failures. Tyson was an overhyped bum, Riddick would've smashed him. Now GTFO.[/QUOTE]

tyson knocked him out cold the previous round, and douglas got up to an obvious long count by the referee..

so on one corner, you got an overly-motivated douglas whose been training hard and whose mother just passed 2 weeks prior to the fight... and on the other you got a tyson who's been partying, got knocked out by his sparring partner, and doesn't give a fukc about training..

and STILL, tyson knocked him out, and should have won if the referee counted at normal pace...

:rolleyes:

just saying.. and i'm not pretending to be an expert cause i'm not (RBA :rolleyes: ), i'm just stating the facts.. :D

Mike Tyson gets more excuses made for him than any other athlete in the history of sports. If he was so mentally fragile, that he could not handle losing his mentors, then he was not that great in the first place. As for the question, give me Riddick Bowe, who in my opinion never lost to Evander Holyfield.

[QUOTE]As for the question, give me Riddick Bowe, who in my opinion never lost to Evander Holyfield.[/QUOTE]

Bowe knocked his ass out in their 3rd fight. Explain that.

Problem is the 90s weren't his absolute prime. Bowe by decision. He wouldn't commit enough to get him out of there.

[QUOTE=Dasher]Mike Tyson gets more excuses made for him than any other athlete in the history of sports.[/QUOTE]
No doubt...

"Cus died and he was never the same."
"He went to prison and it messed up his head."
"He didn't train hard and he was partying."
"He didn't take his medication."
"He did take his medication."

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

The excuses are never ending.

Here is the truth, for those that want to accept it.

Mike Tyson was a fighter who showed a lot of promise, but never fulfilled his expectations (or even came close). People loved him because he was a great power puncher that was exciting to watch. He was also a mental midget who could never handle adversity and never beat another truly elite fighter of his generation.

People want to hold on to the myth of Tyson because they grew up idolizing him and they believe if they let go of that vicious image, they will be letting go of a piece of their childhood. I grew up watching and loving Mike's style, too, but at some point, you have to think rationally.

His resume is absolutely weak and he was completely dominated by two other great fighters of his generation.

If any other athlete in any other sport received the amount of excuses and free passes that Tyson does, people would laugh it off as some kind of joke. For some reason, otherwise perfectly reasonable people toss these excuses around as some kind of validation for their hero.

Tyson = Most Overrated Athlete Ever

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]No doubt...

"Cus died and he was never the same."
"He went to prison and it messed up his head."
"He didn't train hard and he was partying."
"He didn't take his medication."
"He did take his medication."

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

The excuses are never ending.

Here is the truth, for those that want to accept it.

Mike Tyson was a fighter who showed a lot of promise, but never fulfilled his expectations (or even came close). People loved him because he was a great power puncher that was exciting to watch. He was also a mental midget who could never handle adversity and never beat another truly elite fighter of his generation.

People want to hold on to the myth of Tyson because they grew up idolizing him and they believe if they let go of that vicious image, they will be letting go of a piece of their childhood. I grew up watching and loving Mike's style, too, but at some point, you have to think rationally.

His resume is absolutely weak and he was completely dominated by two other great fighters of his generation.

If any other athlete in any other sport received the amount of excuses and free passes that Tyson does, people would laugh it off as some kind of joke. For some reason, otherwise perfectly reasonable people toss these excuses around as some kind of validation for their hero.

Tyson = Most Overrated Athlete Ever[/QUOTE]

Can you say, "hitting the nail on the head"? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
Tyson = Most Overrated Athlete Ever[/QUOTE]
I think you are right...no other athlete comes to mind...

have you seen all the EA commericials of Tyson knocking out Ali?

they make me shake my head in disgust...

but hey, I guess that is what everyone wants from that game, to be able to play as Tyson...

[QUOTE=~primetime~]but hey, I guess that is what everyone wants from that game, to be able to play as Tyson...[/QUOTE]
...and that is what most people want to believe.

Let me make this point clear... I loved Mike Tyson as a kid. I grew up in the 80s, too. There was a time when I thought that Mike was the greatest fighter I had ever seen. Then, I grew up and realized the truth.

Even as an adult, I openly cheered for Mike both times against Evander and even diluted myself into believing that he had a chance against Lewis (even though, deep down, I knew he was going to get dismantled).

I was as big a Tyson fan as anyone on this board. There came a point, though, where I had to examine why I rooted for this guy and why I was willing to discard the facts of his underwhelming career in favor of embracing the myth.

I wanted to believe that the guy I watched crush everyone through my early introduction to boxing was what I always wanted him to be. I've gone back and watched his early fights since my realization and it is readily apparent just how bad the competition was in the mid-80s.

Tyson always had major flaws and had he been pushed by a fighter the caliber of Bowe or Lewis or Holyfield early in his career, he would have folded like he always did when he faced adversity. Tyson is absolutely no better than the fourth best heavyweight of his own generation (maybe lower) and people are still clinging to this myth that he was the best ever at 19. :no:

Bowe. Too big and strong and too good at using his size/strength in his prime.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]No doubt...

"Cus died and he was never the same."
"He went to prison and it messed up his head."
"He didn't train hard and he was partying."
"He didn't take his medication."
"He did take his medication."

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

The excuses are never ending.

Here is the truth, for those that want to accept it.

Mike Tyson was a fighter who showed a lot of promise, but never fulfilled his expectations (or even came close). People loved him because he was a great power puncher that was exciting to watch. He was also a mental midget who could never handle adversity and never beat another truly elite fighter of his generation.

People want to hold on to the myth of Tyson because they grew up idolizing him and they believe if they let go of that vicious image, they will be letting go of a piece of their childhood. I grew up watching and loving Mike's style, too, but at some point, you have to think rationally.

His resume is absolutely weak and he was completely dominated by two other great fighters of his generation.

If any other athlete in any other sport received the amount of excuses and free passes that Tyson does, people would laugh it off as some kind of joke. For some reason, otherwise perfectly reasonable people toss these excuses around as some kind of validation for their hero.

Tyson = Most Overrated Athlete Ever[/QUOTE]


You're right about Tyson never proving himself against the best.

You're wrong about discrediting Tyson in fights where he was clearly no longer the same fighter. It was visible as day he wasn't the same man when he came up short. You'd actually have to study footage of the man to know the difference between a prime Tyson and one who was past it.

The problems Tyson came against weren't experienced by the other great Heavyweights. Did Dundee die on Ali? No. Don't act like losing arguably the greatest trainer of all time wouldn't have adversely affected Ali's career. That'd just be dumb.

So at the end of the day we guess. Tyson was clearly a great fighter at his best but we don't know how great he was. Hence no one really rates him in the first half of the top 10. I see no problem putting him in the second half however. If not there, he's in the top 15. That's pretty universal among historians. And it's not over rating the man. It's making a safe guess.

[QUOTE=Gundress]You're right about Tyson never proving himself against the best.

You're wrong about discrediting Tyson in fights where he was clearly no longer the same fighter. It was visible as day he wasn't the same man when he came up short. You'd actually have to study footage of the man to know the difference between a prime Tyson and one who was past it.

The problems Tyson came against weren't experienced by the other great Heavyweights. Did Dundee die on Ali? No. Don't act like losing arguably the greatest trainer of all time wouldn't have adversely affected Ali's career. That'd just be dumb.

So at the end of the day we guess. Tyson was clearly a great fighter at his best but we don't know how great he was. Hence no one really rates him in the first half of the top 10. I see no problem putting him in the second half however. If not there, he's in the top 15. That's pretty universal among historians. And it's not over rating the man. It's making a safe guess.[/QUOTE]
:yawn:

I've heard all of the excuses, so save your breath. I've also seen every Tyson fight, including many of his amateur bouts. The funny thing to me is that when he got out of prison, Tyson went back to doing exactly what he had done in the mid-80s to earn his unbeatable reputation... Dominating bums.

He KOed Peter McNeeley, Buster Mathis Jr., Frank Bruno, Bruce Seldon...

One thing about Tyson was that, if he was better than a fighter, he would absolutely dominate them, regardless of whether or not it was a complete bum like McNeeley or a pretty good fighter like Bruno. He made a lot of pretty good fighters look really bad, which is why so many people became so fascinated with him.

After he tore apart Bruno and Seldon, I remember everyone saying that "he is back" and "he is unbeatable." Most people don't remember this (or choose to forget it), but very few people thought Holyfield would make it through a few rounds with Tyson. Mike had his head movement against Seldon and Bruno... He was hitting hard to the head and body... He looked like the same guy that dominated the division in the mid-80s.

The fact is, he was the same guy that dominated the class in the mid-80s. The only problem was, he never had to face a guy like Holyfield. As soon as Evander came out and showed no fear of Tyson and actually began roughing him up with veteran 'dirtiness,' Tyson's flimsy mental capacity shown through and he stopped moving his head and became strictly a head hunter.

Then, after Holyfield absolutely toyed with him and KOed him, Tyson was over-the-hill... At the grand old age of 29... And after everyone had proclaimed that he was 'back' after dominating Bruno and Seldon, two guys who were comparable to the best competition he faced in the 80s.

That was always something that interested me.... Tyson became 'over the hill' when it suited his fans. Sorry... That isn't how it works. He was in great condition and coming off of two of his biggest wins heading into the Holyfield fight. He was far from over the hill... He was in over his head against a guy that was flat-out better than him.... That was the problem, not his age or condition or trainer.

Boxing is a sport that is about more than just who hits hardest and who looks the toughest. When you are going against a fellow great fighter, you have to be able to adapt during the fight and, sometimes, during a round. Tyson never showed any ability to do that. It had nothing to do with Cus and nothing to do with any personal problems he was having outside of the ring.... He was just not an intelligent fighter. He was very strong and showed some pretty good skill at a young age, but when it came to ring smarts, he was pathetic.

Tyson [B]always [/B]lacked what separates the good fighters from the great fighters... He couldn't adapt during the course of a fight and he showed absolutely no ability to control his temper.

These shortcomings won't show against guys like Mitch Blood Green or Tony Tubbs or Frank Bruno... They will against Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.

Now, throw some more excuses at me. The guy is flat-out overrated. There is no way around it.

[QUOTE=Gundress] Hence no one really rates him in the first half of the top 10. I see no problem putting him in the second half however. If not there, he's in the top 15. That's pretty universal among historians. And it's not over rating the man. It's making a safe guess.[/QUOTE]
The Top 10-15 of what, btw? Please tell me you are not talking about pound-for-pound, all-time. Even if you are talking about Top 10-15 heavyweights all-time, that is ridiculous.

He should not be rated in front of Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, or Riddick Bowe... And those are just guys that were in his own f#cking era.

Ya'll are ****ing retarded :rolleyes:

Tyson in his prime would've ****ed Bowe up. Arguably Ali. Yeah i said it. So many retards love to reinvent history but Bowe was nowhere near the level of Tyson in his prime. Tyson WAS boxing back then. A whole era. He even transcended the sport to non boxing fans watching him.

Say what you want about the competition, but i'll bet you they all would've held their own today in the heavyweight division. Its just that Tyson made people look bad because they were scared of him once he built up his rep. It was crazy how feared Tyson was within boxing at one point where boxers would choke from fear of getting hit. Never seen anything like that in boxing.