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Michael Jordan Anti-clutch Log
We all know MJ is one of the clutchest players of all time. But what I am really interested in is to recall/note some of his anti-clutch moments, because you never really hear about them.
I'll start with some, feel free to continue. There are tons of incidents but I haven't really looked or tried to remember that hard. Just listing some for now that I remember.
Lets begin:
[B]Oct 27, 1984 vs. Bucks[/B], Jordan misses potential game tying jumper at the end of regulation. Bucks rebound his miss and time expires. Bulls lose 108-106.
[B]Dec 14, 1984 vs. Nets[/B], Jordan misses potential game tying jumper with 28 seconds left. Nets go on to win 111-109.
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Nov 6, 1986 vs. Pistons[/B] - Jordan misses 2 FTs in the last three minutes of the game, and commits two costly turnovers. As a result, Bulls lose a close game to the Pistons.
[B]Nov 26, 1986 vs. Denver[/B] - Jordan goes 0-4 on the last 1:30. Bulls lose a close one as Denver wins 109-107.
[B]Dec 5, 1986 vs. Phoenix[/B] - Jordan has two shot attempts to send the game to overtime or win it outright, but fails to do so. He misses a shot with 1 second left as the Suns win 114-112.
[B]Dec 31, 1986 vs. Warriors[/B] - Jordan misses a long game tying three point attempt at the buzzer.
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Mar 26, 1987 vs. Nets[/B]: Jordan misses 2 consecutive FTs near with one minute left (as the Nets are up 107-103) and misses a potential game tying jumper at the buzzer. Bulls lose 109-107.
[b]Game 4 vs. Cavs in 1989:[/B] In the game before "the shot", Jordan missed a last second shot in overtime and missed a crucial freethrow near the end of the game as well.
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Nov 3, 1990 vs. Bullets[/B]: With 35 seconds left, Jordan misses a short jumper. Then on the ensuing possession he gets his layup blocked at the basket by Horace Grant's brother (who played for the Bullets). Bulls lose 103-102.
[B]Nov 21 vs. Suns, 1990[/B]: Misses his last 5 shots in the fourth. Suns end up winning at the buzzer, 109-107.
[B]Jan 23, 1991 vs. Nets:[/B] Jordan goes 1-4, and misses three crucial shots as Bulls lose to the Nets 99-95.
[B]March 26, 1991 vs. Nets: [/B]misses two clutch free throws with a minute left, and the last shot. Bulls lose 109-107 as a result.
[B]1991 NBA finals, Game 1:[/B] Jordan goes 0-2 in the last 30 seconds. Bulls had the lead with 30 seconds left, but Perkins would take advantage of Jordan's missed shots as Lakers won game 1.
[B]March 2, 1992: [/B]Jordan fouls Jeff Malone on the last play of the game and then gets ejected as he can't control his emotions. Jazz win the game due to the freethrows as a result.
[B]June 10, 1992 vs. Blazers (finals): [/B]Jordan goes scoreless for the last 10 minutes of the fourth quarter! Blazers tie the series 2-2 after winning a close game.
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Dec 17 1991 vs. Lakers:[/B] Bulls trying to come back in the 4th quarter, however Jordan made 0 shots in the fourth quarter and missed his last 10 shots. The most notable miss is him blowing a dunk on an open fast break that would have cut the Laker lead to 6. This and Jordan's poor fourth quarter performance ruined any chance of a comeback.
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Game 1 vs. Knicks 1993: [/B]Jordan goes just 2 for his last 12 shot. Knicks pull away as Jordan was a no show in the second half, and was scoreless for several key stretches in the second half.
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Mar 11, 1993 vs. Heat: [/B]Jordan misses his last 4 shots and misses a simple floater with 2 seconds left which would have tied the game. Bulls lose 97-95.
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1993 ECF vs. Knicks (game 6):[/B] Goes 0-7 in fourth quarter (Pippen bails Bulls out with clutch shots though).
[B]Game 1 of 1995 series vs. Magic:[/B] Jordan's nightmare minute.
[B]Game 4 vs. Jazz (1997):[/B] Jordan goes 1-3 in the closing minutes, and turns the ball over on a crucial possession as Stockton took the ball away from him. On the next play, Jordan would miss again on and as a result, the Jazz seal the game.
[B]1998 ECF vs. Pacers, Game 3:[/B] Jordan misses crucial FT and the last shot to eliminate any chance of comeback. He would just hit one shot in the last 7 minutes of the game.
[B]1998 ECF vs. Pacers, Game 4:[/B] Jordan misses game winning three pointer despite getting a clean look.
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Oct 30, 2001 vs. Knicks: [/B]Misses potential game tying three pointer with 18 seconds left and commits two costly turnovers before this shot. Wizards lose 93-91.
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Apr 12 vs. Hawks, 2003:[/B] misses potential gamewinner at buzzer. Wizards lose 101-100.
What's the point of this thread? Well, one to see that Jordan was human and did fail time and time again in crunchtime (he didn't have the scrutiny of the internet that players now do), and two, it's just interesting and almost bizzare seeing Jordan fail at the end of games (the idea most people seem to have is Jordan probably suceeded like 80% of the time...). I think his fans will find these incidents interesting as well (I know I do!). Again, no one is debating the clutchness of Michael, it's impossible to given his record.
I think we can list hundreds on incidents, I'll keep updating. There are a lot I haven't listed yet but will soon.
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It happens to the best of them. He's still the most clutch player ever.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]It happens to the best of them. He's still the most clutch player ever.[/QUOTE]
Yup, which is why it's so interesting to see. When some posters here are going to see Jordan went scoreless in the last 10 minutes of a finals game, they are going to be shocked. I've noticed a lot of players lately (like Lebron, Wade, Kobe etc) get a lot of hate for not performing in the clutch, but you'll see as this thread progresses, even the greatest clutch performer failed tons of times in clutch moments.
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he admits it himself on a famous commercial. so why act like this is something new or you uncovered some new secret? quite sad.
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What are the Jordan fans of this board huffing and puffing about? No one is denying his clutchness. Are you not interested to see some of the incidents that aren't showcased in his latest DVD? :confusedshrug:
Like Duma said, Jordan even talks about this in his commercial. What this thread is doing is just getting a bit more specific.
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Maybe if we all just report his first post someone will finally ban him?
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]What are the Jordan fans of this board huffing and puffing about? No one is denying his clutchness. Are you not interested to see some of the incidents that aren't showcased in his latest DVD? :confusedshrug:
Like Duma said, Jordan even talks about this in his commercial. What this thread is doing is just getting a bit more specific.[/QUOTE]
Oh, of course. [I]That's[/I] what this thread is doing? :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=Cyclone112]Maybe if we all just report his first post someone will finally ban him?[/QUOTE]
I say we have fun with this one. No need for snitching, unlike somebody's favorite player is known to do from time to time.
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[QUOTE=Fatal9][B]Jan 23, 1991 vs. Nets:[/B] Jordan goes 1-4, and misses three crucial shots as Bulls lose to the Nets 99-95.
[B]March 26, 1991 vs. Nets: [/B]misses two clutch free throws with a minute left, and the last shot. Bulls lose 109-107 as a result.
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:oldlol: Who could forget the all-mighty Nets of the 90's.
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Hundreds? HAHAHAA. No one has said the guy is perfect. They've said he's the most clutch and significantly more clutch then some of the guy's he's compared to (Kobe, Lebron, etc.), which is completely true. And lol @ you actually looking for incidents. And missing a shot is not being "not clutch". And the Pacers game 4 was not a great look. It was under a second left, he had to double-pump the shot, and he was a few feet behind the 3-point line. And you say you don't have an agenda?
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Why does everyone want to ban fatal? You guys seem to be way to demanding on here, first you ban rocketgreatness who didn't seem to terrible and now you want to ban this guy? Maybe I just haven't seen the two post enough, but oh well. :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]This is the basketball equivalent of exploring the dark side of the moon (I make this reference to celebrate the moon landing btw). This sort of compelling research is something you ban posters over? Right....:oldlol:
And I can almost guarantee you, there will be a 100+ incidents by the time this thread is over. Looks like the Jordan fans aren't going to contribute so I have to do this all on my own.[/QUOTE]
Do what all on your own? Do you not think that people know Jordan failed in the clutch sometimes :confusedshrug:
You should just be banned for being a fu[B]ck[/B]ing idiot :applause:
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Why does everyone want to ban fatal? You guys seem to be way to demanding on here, first you ban rocketgreatness who didn't seem to terrible and now you want to ban this guy? Maybe I just haven't seen the two post enough, but oh well. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I don't want him banned, I have a strict no snitching policy. Besides, the dude is hilarious. He STILL thinks he's fooling people after he's been so badly exposed on this site over and over again. He's a laughing stock. But since he brought this on himself...
[QUOTE=Fatal9]I've noticed a lot of players lately (like [B]Lebron[/B], Wade, Kobe etc) get a lot of hate for not performing in the clutch[/QUOTE]
Now who is hating on players like Lebron for not being clutch? Hmmmmm...
From the thread 'The Shot' (Lebron's game winner against ORL):
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Lebron ISN'T clutch though. He made one shot. He was horrible in the fourth, going 1-5 and 3 turnovers. There's a reason the Magic took the lead near the end. He was quiet in the fourth last game too, just let the Magic take over and steal a game.
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]You do realize Lebron's play in the fourth quarter was the reason Orlando took the lead in the first place, right? He then made one of the worst defended catch-and-shoot jumpers I've ever seen in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Interesting.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]I don't want him banned, I have a strict no snitching policy. Besides, the dude is hilarious. He STILL thinks he's fooling people after he's been so badly exposed on this site over and over again. He's a laughing stock. But since he brought this on himself...
Interesting.[/QUOTE]
Is fatal some sort of Anti Jordan, anti Lebron or Pro Pippen Fanatic (judging by his avatar)?
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Jesus Christ, not this again.
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[QUOTE=HisJoeness]:oldlol: Who could forget the all-mighty Nets of the 90's.[/QUOTE]
pETROO!!!
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Is fatal some sort of Anti Jordan, anti Lebron or Pro Pippen Fanatic (judging by his avatar)?[/QUOTE]
Nope he is a fake MJ fan. He pretends to like Mj to come off has non bias, but bashes him 98% of the time. He runs from threads he getting owned and exposed in. Thats pretty much Fatal bio.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Is fatal some sort of Anti Jordan, anti Lebron or Pro Pippen Fanatic (judging by his avatar)?[/QUOTE]
He's a big Jordan and Bird fan, and he appreciates Scottie Pippen. Depending on the time of day and what he ate, he's either a Lebron, Brandon Roy, or DWade fan.
He's indifferent to Kobe Bryant.
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[QUOTE=juju151111]Nope he is a fake MJ fan. He pretends to like Mj to come off has non bias, but bashes him 98% of the time. He runs from threads he getting owned and exposed in. Thats pretty much Fatal bio.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm, thats pretty original for a troll, I'd have to give him his props for not just being a Kobe nutt hugger, or Lebron hatter. Though its still annoying.
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Jordan had anti clutch moments, but a lot of those games you listed came in series where he came through in the clutch more then he didn't come through. In the 89 series, we all know what he did so no point going there. In the 93 series, he scored 17 straight points in the 3rd/4th quarter of game 5 with the Bulls struggling to score and matched Ewing shot for shot and assisted on the game winner. In game 4 which was a close game for the most part, he scored 27 in the second half and 9 in the 4th. In the 97 series against Utah (one of his most clutchest series), he hit two game winners (game 1 and 5), assisted on a game winner in game 6, and averaged over 10 ppg in the 4th quarters of those games. In game 1 of the 98 series against Indy, with the Bulls struggling to score in the first half, he had 20 + points in the second half (Pippen played clutch D as well) to put the game away. In game 2, he again scored 20+ in the second half in a extremely close game including three straight baskets in the final two minutes of the game to put the game away after Indy tied it from a Reggie Miller three pointer. In game 6 of that series, he scored ten points in the last quarter in a close game but Travis Best came through in the clutch as well. In game 7 of that series, he locked down Reggie Miller to 0 field goals in the 4th quarter after Reggie was torching Harper in the first three quarters (Harp played great D on Reggie for most of that series though), pulled down a clutch offensive rebound of a missed ree throw, and bunch of other little things (clutch assist to Longley, and 1 dunk in the 4th quarter, winning a jump ball against a taller player, and getting to the line). In the 92 series against Portland, he scored 10-12 points in the 4th quarter of game 6 of that series to close it out, holds Drexler to 1-6 shooting in his last 6 shots in game 3 of that series, and hits some clutch baskets in the 4th quarter of that game 3 as well.
I have to re-visit that 95 series and the other games you listed were regular season games. Most of those games came in series where MJ came through in the clutch more often then he didn't.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Is fatal some sort of Anti Jordan, anti Lebron or Pro Pippen Fanatic (judging by his avatar)?[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are at least 20 threads that he has started all done to directly or indirectly bash Jordan. He used to constantly build up Kobe but has since taken a break and focused solely on bashing MJ. That 20 thread estimate isn't even including the numerous other threads he jumps in to start bashing MJ usually threads created by Roundball_Rock. If this was any other forum that actually has moderators in place with proper power he would have been banned ages ago.
He of course bashes LBJ any chance he gets because of his obsession with Kobe. MJ is out of the league so he can spout off any nonsense he wants but LBJ is playing at the same time so he has to bash him to ensure Kobe isn't looked at as inferior. As far as Pippen goes he constantly tries to overrate him thus attempting to take away from Jordan's accomplishments. He also states on numerous occasions that Jordan is the luckiest player of all time.
This is what we think of Fatal9: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138337[/url]
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BTW, expect no one to update on your "list".
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yup, MJ blew it many many times. But that is to be expected.
as for "clutchness", I would take Bird over MJ.
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[QUOTE=Cyclone112]Yes, there are at least 20 threads that he has started all done to directly or indirectly bash Jordan. He used to constantly build up Kobe but has since taken a break and focused solely on bashing MJ. That 20 thread estimate isn't even including the numerous other threads he jumps in to start bashing MJ usually threads created by Roundball_Rock. If this was any other forum that actually has moderators in place with proper power he would have been banned ages ago.
He of course bashes LBJ any chance he gets because of his obsession with Kobe. MJ is out of the league so he can spout off any nonsense he wants but LBJ is playing at the same time so he has to bash him to ensure Kobe isn't looked at as inferior. As far as Pippen goes he constantly tries to overrate him thus attempting to take away from Jordan's accomplishments. He also states on numerous occasions that Jordan is the luckiest player of all time.
This is what we think of Fatal9: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138337[/url][/QUOTE]
Holy crap! Cantstop has been banned! What a happy day! I just noticed its said it by his avatar on your Fatal9 apreciation thread.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Hmmmm, thats pretty original for a troll, I'd have to give him his props for not just being a Kobe nutt hugger, or Lebron hatter. Though its still annoying.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, i tell him that all the time. He one of the best trolls because he has some decent posters actually thinking he likes MJ. He made one pro MJ thread ever.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Holy crap! Cantstop has been banned! What a happy day! I just noticed its said it by his avatar on your Fatal9 apreciation thread.[/QUOTE]
LOL, about time. I wonder what made them finally ban him. God that kid was annoying.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]He's a big Jordan and Bird fan, and he appreciates Scottie Pippen. Depending on the time of day and what he ate, he's either a Lebron, Brandon Roy, or DWade fan.
He's indifferent to Kobe Bryant.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
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Can my groupies please stop posting useless things that have nothing to do with the thread. Yea, I hate Jordan so much I think he is the clutchest player ever. Give me a break...
I personally think it's pretty interesting seeing Jordan not come through in the clutch for once, just because of the image he has. Most posters here seem to have been fed only his clutch stories/moments so I don't expect them to contribute.
:oldlol: at this repeated notion I'm a hardcore KB fan. Sometimes I purposely post pro-Kobe posts because I find that idea hilarious and I can see it annoys some posters here. Do I like him and think he is probably the most entertaining player in the league right now? Yes. Do I think he is a hack, a choker, who has a horrible shot selection? Also yes. I remember Laker fans accusing me of being a Laker/Kobe hater earlier on, now I'm apparently running his fan club :oldlol:.
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]Can my groupies please stop posting useless things that have nothing to do with the thread. Yea, I hate Jordan so much I think he is the clutchest player ever. Give me a break...
I personally think it's pretty interesting seeing Jordan not come through in the clutch for once, just because of the image he has. Most posters here seem to have been fed only his clutch stories/moments so I don't expect them to contribute.
:oldlol: at this repeated notion I'm a hardcore KB fan. Sometimes I purposely post pro-Kobe posts because I find that idea hilarious and I can see it annoys some posters here. Do I like him and think he is probably the most entertaining player in the league right now? Yes. Do I think he is a hack, a choker, who has a horrible shot selection? Also yes. I remember Laker fans accusing me of being a Laker/Kobe hater earlier on, now I'm apparently running his fan club :oldlol:.[/QUOTE]
No one buys this and as long as you post here, people are going to derail your threads unless you stop being a jerkoff. Either accept it don't, but quit coming in here with the "Will you Jordan Jockers stop poisoning my threads" stuff. Are you too stupid to see that it keeps happening to you, and no matter how many times you ask people not too, they're not listening?
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]Can my groupies please stop posting useless things that have nothing to do with the thread. Yea, I hate Jordan so much I think he is the clutchest player ever. Give me a break...
I personally think it's pretty interesting seeing Jordan not come through in the clutch for once, just because of the image he has. Most posters here seem to have been fed only his clutch stories/moments so I don't expect them to contribute.
:oldlol: at this repeated notion I'm a hardcore KB fan. Sometimes I purposely post pro-Kobe posts because I find that idea hilarious and I can see it annoys some posters here. Do I like him and think he is probably the most entertaining player in the league right now? Yes. Do I think he is a hack, a choker, who has a horrible shot selection? Also yes. I remember Laker fans accusing me of being a Laker/Kobe hater earlier on, now I'm apparently running his fan club :oldlol:.[/QUOTE]
Fatal how much time do you have to get exposed to get a hint. Nobody believes your crap.
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1) CantStop is temp banned. His name will be unbanned in two days
2) CantStop will never leave
3) LOL @ my groupies celebrating for no reason.
Fatal9 prodiving the ether in this thread.
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[quote=HisJoeness]:oldlol: Who could forget the all-mighty Nets of the 90's.[/quote]Those Derrick Coleman, Drazen, Kenny Anderson Nets had the chance to be something really special.
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[QUOTE=guy]Hundreds? HAHAHAA. [B]No one has said the guy is perfect. [/B]They've said he's the most clutch and significantly more clutch then some of the guy's he's compared to (Kobe, Lebron, etc.), which is completely true. And lol @ you actually looking for incidents. And missing a shot is not being "not clutch". And the Pacers game 4 was not a great look. It was under a second left, he had to double-pump the shot, and he was a few feet behind the 3-point line. And you say you don't have an agenda?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97818&page=2[/url]
There are actually alot of people who did surprisingly.
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Remember in the non-zone, isolation era when Jordan shot 3 airballs in the clutch against a weak Utah team? Oh wait :oldlol:
And clutchest isn't a word, just an FYI.
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Jordan fans mean business eh :oldlol:. Hilarious stuff. He's a basketball player, not your dad. Cataloging stories that you never hear about is interesting to me, instead of the boring thread where someone posts a clip of Jordan hitting a clutch shot (that everyone has seen a million times) and the predictable Jordan fans of ISH gather around for an e-circle jerk.
Funny thing is no one is calling Jordan unclutch or even anything along those lines. I'm just trying to gather/record some thing I have yet to see on the internet (a good list of moments where he didn't deliver).
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The list for Kobe would be at least 15 times longer.