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Yes. Kobe know how to play defense
Simple answer fo a simple question: No.
[QUOTE=King Kong]simple question[/QUOTE]
No
How old are you?
oh boy...
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]Yes. Kobe know how to play defense[/QUOTE]
Shaq came second in DPOY one year...
To answer the question, Prime Shaq>Prime Kobe.
[QUOTE=plowking]Shaq came second in DPOY one year...[/QUOTE]
So did Lebron... :lol
umm another thread overrating Kobe, who only had 1 final MVP in 7 NBA finals appearances...
[QUOTE=plowking]Shaq came second in DPOY one year...
To answer the question, Prime Shaq>Prime Kobe.[/QUOTE]
And still has ZERO all first team defenses
hmmmm
[QUOTE=Batz]So did Lebron... :lol[/QUOTE]
Shaq's was actually deserved...
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]And still has ZERO all first team defenses
hmmmm[/QUOTE]
So you think Kobe is more of a defensive deterrence and force than Shaq?
Can pigs fly?
[QUOTE=plowking]So you think Kobe is more of a defensive deterrence and force than Shaq?[/QUOTE]
Are you really trying to compare Kobe Defense to Shaqs?
Thats just blasphemy
Haha, Shaq owned the paint on D. If you wanted to come in their you had a toll to pay
Kobe buzzes around the perimeter and guards the weakest guy for most of the game
There is a big difference between being all defensive at C than at G. Especial in Shaqs day
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]Are you really trying to compare Kobe Defense to Shaqs?
Thats just blasphemy[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
Do you know how many people thought twice about driving into the lane because Shaq was in there protecting it?
[QUOTE=plowking]:oldlol:
Do you know how many people thought twice about driving into the lane because Shaq was in there protecting it?[/QUOTE]
Tony Parker will never be the same..
[IMG]http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff322/yinwest/kobe.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=plowking]:oldlol:
Do you know how many people thought twice about driving into the lane because Shaq was in there protecting it?[/QUOTE]
Stop. The man was far from a Dwight Howard on Defense.
No.... Shaq by miles. Somebody shut this thread down.
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]Stop. The man was far from a Dwight Howard on Defense.[/QUOTE]
Dwight is a great help defender and his positioning is better. Shaq was a better man defender and much more physical. I'd prefer prime Shaq over Dwight, if you wanted to come into the lane, he'd make you pay the price.
Serious questions:
how old are you?
how long have you been following ball?
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]Stop. The man was far from a Dwight Howard on Defense.[/QUOTE]
Um 30 points, 14 rebounds, 3.0 blocks, 7'2 and 300+ pounds disagrees with you
im not saying he is or isnt. I thought with all the Kobe vs greats talk since, Kobe is approaching his 5th ring that it was a fair question.
[QUOTE=King Kong]im not saying he is or isnt. I thought with all the Kobe vs greats talk since, Kobe is approaching his 5th ring that it was a fair question.[/QUOTE]
Shaq has 3 NBA Finals MVP. He's the most dominant NBA Finals performer since Prime Michael Jordan.
[QUOTE=spree43]Um 30 points, 14 rebounds, 3.0 blocks, 7'2 and 300+ pounds disagrees with you[/QUOTE]
Wow people on ish are so stupid.
Yeah Shaq got 30 points on defense
Facepalm
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]umm another thread overrating Kobe, [B]who only had 1 final MVP in 7 NBA finals appearances[/B]...[/QUOTE]
Wow, way to spin the truth there. Nice touch already counting this one as a loss, too.
And no, Kobe's prime is not better than Shaq's prime, however it will be longer. I mean he's just now coming off arguably his best playoff series and you can hardly see any decline in his game. So he'll have spent many more years as an elite, top 5 player than Shaq, but Shaq will still have the better peak.
I don't think you understand how much Shaq impacted the game defensively.
No wait... you do, but you just don't want to admit Shaq's better than Kobe.
[B]Prime Shaq NBA Finals Stats[/B]
[B]2000 NBA Finals[/B]
38.0 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.67 bpg .611 FG%
[B]2001 NBA Finals
[/B]
33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 3.40 bpg, .573 FG%
[B]2002 NBA Finals[/B]
36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.75 bpg, .595 FG%
[B]23 yrs.old Shaq vs. Prime Hakeem Olajuwon[/B]
[B]1995 NBA Finals[/B]
28.0 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 2.50 bpg, .595 FG%
[B]
Shaq vs. Detroit Pistons[/B]
[B]2004 NBA Finals[/B]
26.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 1.6 apg, 0.60 bpg, .631 FG%
Jeff needs to lock this thread. You are an idiot, dumb @$$, N*thugger, or mentally retarded if you think Prime Kobe is better than Prime Shaq.
[QUOTE=Freshprince619]Wow people on ish are so stupid.
Yeah Shaq got 30 points on defense
Facepalm[/QUOTE]
Trust me I'm not the dumb one here
If you really think Kobe has a bigger impact on the game than prime shaq defensively then you should not post on the topic. It's not an opinion thing, it just fact
wow shaq has some awesome finals stats... against eastern conference centers...
empty stats... people forget how easily shaq gets into foul trouble.
[QUOTE=Maneva]So he'll have spent many more years as an elite, top 5 player than Shaq, but Shaq will still have the better peak.[/QUOTE]
Shaq was a top 5 player from 1994-2005(12 seasons). Kobe has been top 5 from 2001-2010(10 seasons) and it's debatable whether Kobe was top 5 in 2002, 2004 and 2005.
In fact, in 2005, Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, Wade, Dirk, T-Mac and Nash all had better seasons off the top of my head.
In 2002, Shaq and Duncan were top 2 and it's certainly debatable whether Kobe was better than C-Webb, Kidd, T-Mac and Garnett to name a few.
In 2004, his inefficient shooting, health problems and disastrous finals make it debatable. The top 3 were Garnett, Duncan and Shaq. McGrady won the scoring title by a wide margin and Jermaine O'Neal led the Pacers to 60 wins and was top 3 in MVP voting. But I'll definitely give Kobe the nod over Jermaine out of respect.
If you wanted to really analyze it, 2001 was also debatable. Shaq and Duncan were 1 and 2, Iverson had a great year, C-Webb averaged 27/11/4 with 1.7 bpg and 1.3 spg and led Sacramento and KG was, KG. Vince also went off, carried the Raptors, torched a great defensive 76er team, had a 50 point playoff game. But, to be fair, because of Kobe's playoff run, where he was IMO, the 2nd best player to only Shaq, I'd give him top 5. And his defense gives him a strong argument over Vince and AI.
[QUOTE=john_d]wow shaq has some awesome finals stats... against eastern conference centers...
empty stats... people forget how easily shaq gets into foul trouble.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, empty stats vs the 2001 DPOY(and 4-time winner) Dikembe Mutombo, or the 4-time DPOY Ben Wallace in 2004 or the 2-time DPOY Hakeem Olajuwon in 1995. Hell, even Dale Davis was an all-star in 2000 when he guarded Shaq(with numerous double and triple teams).
And Shaq's minutes per game in the finals. 45 mpg in the 1995 finals, 45.5 mpg in the 2000 finals, 45 mpg in the 2001 finals, 41.5 mpg in the 2002 finals and 42.6 mpg.
Yeah, he was really bothered by foul trouble. :rolleyes:
F*ck this thread.
OFC prime shaq is better than prime Kobe.
Why so much arguing tho
Shaq was pretty good defensively. Phil Jackson wanted Shaq to be good defensively like when he was younger when he first started to coach the Lakers. Shaq didn't disappoint. He clog up the paint very good. No easy baskets. He could guard centers and PFs in the paint, he was pretty good back in the day.
And yeah, I think Shaq was more valuable than Kobe in his prime. Shaq was one of those rarities centers that you hardly see.
[QUOTE=Andrei89]OFC prime shaq is better than prime Kobe.
Why so much arguing tho[/QUOTE]
Too much hate on Prime Shaq. How I wish that he had never played with the Los Angeles Lakers.
I am sure Shaq could win an NBA title while playing in a Jordan Less Eastern Conference.
I find the Laker fan hate on Shaq hilarious.
Do you realize Kobe wouldn't be considered anywhere near the player he is without Shaq? Though you'd be hard pressed to argue the other way around.
[QUOTE=King Kong]simple question[/QUOTE]
No
Without question. Shaq can only dunk while Kobe has an entire repertoire of skill.
[SIZE="1"][COLOR="White"][SIZE="1"]My best Kobe stan impersonation ... was I good?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE]
Is prime Kobe better than prime Shaq? Hell no. But that doesn't change the fact that when it's all said and done, Kobe will go down as not only a greater Laker but a greater player than Shaq.
Seriously, how old are you? If you are trying to be funny, it's not working at all.