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This guy brings nothing to the table that Utah needed. Fire Kevin O'Conner
Why doesn't EVERYONE hate on the white kid. He was probably taken a little high, but he'll be a SOLID starter in the NBA.
Lol. This thread sucks. Delete it please.
[QUOTE=MK2V1GP]Why doesn't EVERYONE hate on the white kid. He was probably taken a little high, but he'll be a SOLID starter in the NBA.
Lol. This thread sucks. Delete it please.[/QUOTE]
What exactly does he bring that makes him a starter in the NBA in the next two years? He is not a good defender or very good shooter. He has an ok drive and decent rebounder, thats pretty much the entire jazz team at the moment. Unless Utah can get rid of AK or Miles soon he is their 3rd string small forward.....
[QUOTE=MK2V1GP]Why [B]doesn't [/B]EVERYONE hate on the white kid. He was probably taken a little high, but he'll be a SOLID starter in the NBA.
Lol. This thread sucks. Delete it please.[/QUOTE]
they do, and if they dont they should. hes an unathletic WHITE kid who cant shoot worth shit.
on top of that hes a WHITE AMERICAN which means he will suck dick.
just follow the basic rule of thumb
black american kid >>>>>>>>> white american kid
[QUOTE=joshwake]What exactly does he bring that makes him a starter in the NBA in the next two years? He is not a good defender or very good shooter. He has an ok drive and decent rebounder, thats pretty much the entire jazz team at the moment. Unless Utah can get rid of AK or Miles soon he is their 3rd string small forward.....[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAyq_a2kZUw[/url]
You guys are stupid if you think that a white american superstar won't eventually come. You never know playing under a pg like Deron could really help his development and he might just be that player.
Bunch of mothafockin racist mothafockas in here, huh? I never said Hayward would be a star, but to say he'll suck b/c he's white is a joke. Does Lee suck? Hinrich? True, the NBA is mostly black, and I have no problem with that. But to just dismiss him b/c he's American white kid jus shows how retarded you actually are.
And I guarantee he will be a decent NBA player. What is with all the unathletic shit? Did ya'll not watch college basketball, or are you really that racist? He is super athletic for a white kid, and he's athletic period.
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAyq_a2kZUw[/url][/QUOTE]
I honestly don't know if you are trying to debate my argument or help prove it with that "highlight reel". Does anything in there really impress anyone????
It's too early to tell if he'll be worse than Bochardt or Luther Wright.
Either way, worst lottery pick by the Jazz that I can recall.
[QUOTE=MK2V1GP]Bunch of mothafockin racist mothafockas in here, huh? I never said Hayward would be a star, but to say he'll suck b/c he's white is a joke. Does Lee suck? Hinrich? True, the NBA is mostly black, and I have no problem with that. But to just dismiss him b/c he's American white kid jus shows how retarded you actually are.
And I guarantee he will be a decent NBA player. What is with all the unathletic shit? Did ya'll not watch college basketball, or are you really that racist? He is super athletic for a white kid, and he's athletic period.[/QUOTE]
I don't care that he is white, it's that he is unathletic and a poor shooter AND crappy defender. I would have at least been content with Aldrich.
[QUOTE=joshwake]I honestly don't know if you are trying to debate my argument or help prove it with that "highlight reel". Does anything in there really impress anyone????[/QUOTE]
Well since you've obviously never watched him I was hoping to help you seem less ignorant in your post. A highlight reel provides much more evidence then claiming a player will suck because he's white. He clearly has excellent size for his position
It's funny how you guys haven't even taken a look at the player but are just assuming he's bad cause espn didn't claim he's a superstar.
Guess what Espn didn't claim this guy was a superstar either
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln1VDqRZvSg[/url]
^ Bottom line is watch a player before you make an opinion
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Well since you've obviously never watched him I was hoping to help you seem less ignorant in your post. A highlight reel provides much more evidence then claiming a player will suck because he's white. He clearly has excellent size for his position[/QUOTE]
FFS it has nothing to do with the god damn color of his skin. He brings nothing to Utah they dont already have. I watched him enough to know he is a decent rebounder and an ok slasher. Utah is fine in both departments. Utah needs a shooter to spread the floor, no help there. They need a good wing and or defensive presence in teh middle, no help there. You can always use more athletecism, no help there. Shot blocking or defense in general...?? no help...
What does he bring to the team that they need??
[QUOTE=joshwake]it's that he is unathletic and a poor shooter AND crappy defender. I would have at least been content with Aldrich.[/QUOTE]
This. Aldrich at least made sense.
Maybe we can put Memo, Boozer, and Hayward all on the floor at the same time. That'll be some intense defense right there.
I agree that he was probably taken a little high thanks to the Final Four appearance, but he'll be a solid role player for Utah. Why take a good role player so high though? That's what baffles me. But he can defend, board, pass, and knock down some threes too. I hope he does well; I enjoyed watching him play for Butler.
[QUOTE=joshwake]FFS it has nothing to do with the god damn color of his skin. He brings nothing to Utah they dont already have. I watched him enough to know he is a decent rebounder and an ok slasher. Utah is fine in both departments. Utah needs a shooter to spread the floor, no help there. They need a good wing and or defensive presence in teh middle, no help there. You can always use more athletecism, no help there. Shot blocking or defense in general...?? no help...
What does he bring to the team that they need??[/QUOTE]
He brings offensive rebounding. He's a three point shooting threat. He gets to the foul line(30% of his points are from the foul line). He bring excellent size at his position. He's an effective ball handler. And he can be a legit point forward. He's a good passer. And has a high basketball Iq. And he's a good defensive player. He has played both the 3 and the 4 in college. He's a very versatile player. And he's a good slasher
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]He brings offensive rebounding. He's a three point shooting threat. He gets to the foul line(30% of his points are from the foul line). He bring excellent size at his position. He's an effective ball handler. And he can be a legit point forward. He's a good passer. And has a high basketball Iq. And he's a good defensive player[/QUOTE]
His 3 pt shooting is a crap shoot. What did he shoot behind the college 3 last year?? 26%? He is a good rebounder but he wont get many as the 3rd string SF. He brings size but he is not a good defender... so how does that help? SF is one of the most athletic positons, he will just get driven around all day long. Go ahead and look at what he shot behind the COLLEGE 3pt line last year.
I have no problem with this pick at say 18 or so.,,, but at 9!!? there were several better picks Utah could have taken.
[QUOTE=joshwake]His 3 pt shooting is a crap shoot. What did he shoot behind the college 3 last year?? 26%? He is a good rebounder but he wont get many as the 3rd string SF. He brings size but he is not a good defender... so how does that help? SF is one of the most athletic positons, he will just get driven around all day long. Go ahead and look at what he shot behind the COLLEGE 3pt line last year.
I have no problem with this pick at say 18 or so.,,, but at 9!!? there were several better picks Utah could have taken.[/QUOTE]
He was an amazing 3 point shooter but for the second half of the season they forced him to create his 3 point shot off the dribble as opposed to just being a knock down shooter. That's a hard adjustment to make mid season for any young player but he clearly has the ability.
He wasn't a good defender in college?
He spent most of his time defending power forwards whiles his natural position is the 3. But he was still effective because he never gives up on plays he ralerly gives his man lanes to the basket . He also uses his Iq on the defensive end and understand the tendencies of the players he's guarding.
[quote]Unless Utah can get rid of AK or Miles soon he is their 3rd string small forward.....[/quote]
Why couldn't they get rid of them if they wanted? AK is one of the most valuable players in the league with a contract that expires at the end of the season. Miles contract is low for the way he played at the end of the year and he's still very young and continues to show improvement every year. I don't expect them to get rid of either because the Jazz like to stand pat.
[quote]He brings nothing to Utah they dont already have. [/quote]
They have no one other than AK over 6'6" at the 2 or 3 and 2 of them are free agents.
[quote]Aldrich at least made sense.[/quote]
How when they already have Koufos?
Worst pick would have to be Larry Knight I'd think. Never even played in the league. Than you'd have to go with Wright. Walter Palmer, Ortiz, Duren etc. off the top of my head.
whoever between koufos and fesenko complained that the fans' balloons took him out of the game is the worst jazz pick in history.
No comparison between the two. Fessenko is a stiff. Koufos is highly skilled. Too bad his coach isn't.
Terrible. Very bad pick. I'll wait to see him play, but I don't see much upside opportunity here.
[QUOTE=Luigi]Terrible. Very bad pick. I'll wait to see him play, but I don't see much upside opportunity here.[/QUOTE]
Go to the thread in the Jazz team forum
You'll come around when Jerry falls for him.
I love Hayward and can't wait to see him play. I'm a little disappointed he went to Utah though. When I saw the pick I just sorta chuckled but I wasn't sure why I did, lol.
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Go to the thread in the Jazz team forum[/QUOTE]
Sorry man. I would, but I swore off that forum a while back, and I'm sticking to it.
[QUOTE=Luigi]Sorry man. I would, but I swore off that forum a while back, and I'm sticking to it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Wow at people pretending that another great white american will never come.
He brings offensive rebounding. He's a three point shooting threat. He gets to the foul line(30% of his points are from the foul line). He bring excellent size at his position. He's an effective ball handler. And he can be a legit point forward. He's a good passer. And has a high basketball Iq. And he's a good defensive player
He was an amazing 3 point shooter but for the second half of the season they forced him to create his 3 point shot off the dribble as opposed to just being a knock down shooter. That's a hard adjustment to make mid season for any young player but he clearly has the ability.
He wasn't a good defender in college?
He spent most of his time defending power forwards whiles his natural position is the 3. But he was still effective because he never gives up on plays he ralerly gives his man lanes to the basket . He also uses his Iq on the defensive end and understand the tendencies of the players he's guarding.[/QUOTE]
'[QUOTE]I mean give me a 6'9 forward who can handle the ball, can get to the foul line, can shoot the ball, Has a high basketball iq, can rebound, can slash to the rim, can pass and can defend any day of the year.
Couldn't be happier with our pick[/QUOTE]
In Soviet Russia Thread comes to you
He'll be fine. Kid is smart, has tangible skills, and looks like he wants to get better. A reach for him, but he's been proving people wrong all year long. He's faired well against NBA talents like Wes Johnson, or athletic defending teams like Michigan State and Kansas State. Not a terrible pick.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]No comparison between the two. Fessenko is a stiff. Koufos is highly skilled. Too bad his coach isn't.[/QUOTE]
sorry i never learned who was who
The stiff was the one Jerry loved and the talented one was the one in the D-league. LMAO!
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]'
In Soviet Russia Thread comes to you[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Thanks man,:cheers:
I thought it was a weird pick too, but they definitely need a perimeter player (a 2 guard more really) then anything else. I haven't seen the guy play, but I trust in what utah does. I thought them taking maynor was weird, I though taking kirilenko was insane, I thought taking Ostertag was weird, and those guys turn out pretty well. Not saying all picks were perfect, but a lot of these weird picks that kind of come out of no where turn out really well for Utah.
[QUOTE=Luigi]:oldlol: Thanks man,:cheers:[/QUOTE]
lol no problem.
What impresses me the most is that he can get to the foul line so easily 30% of his points are from the foul line
[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]lol no problem.
What impresses me the most is that he can get to the foul line so easily 30% of his points are from the foul line[/QUOTE]
Maybe he's just a good fit.
[QUOTE=drafexpress]I'm sure Hayward's parents are ecstatic with that pick. Seriously, they wouldn't let him go workout for Memphis. Were petrified of LA.
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I like higher octane players, but my Jazz have a style, draft for it, and its pretty effective. You think we'll bring back Korver still?
pissed at the pick but how about a photoshop eh? ill support him and give him a chance but man this is the one dude i did not want.
[quote]they definitely need a perimeter player (a 2 guard more really) then anything else[/quote]
They have Miles, probably Matthews and maybe Korver at the 2 not to mention AK and Price(LOL!). I'd say they needed a 3 more than a 2.
[quote]I thought them taking maynor was weird[/quote]
It was especially when they gave him away after he showed he could play. Probably re-sign Boozer and give this pick away too and it won't matter.
[quote]I though taking Ostertag was weird, and those guys turn out pretty well. [/quote]
Guess we're in the minority on that one. He was no Collins that's for sure. LMAO!
[quote]a lot of these weird picks that kind of come out of no where turn out really well for Utah.[/quote]
Not sure any of those really came out well. Maynor dumped for nothing. AK overpaid. Tag benched in favor of a stiff.
Than you have Almond over Splitter when you already had Miles/Brewer. Ouch! Plenty of weird picks that didn't turn out that's for sure.
[quote]its pretty effective[/quote]
debatable
[quote]You think we'll bring back Korver still?[/quote]
They'll want him back. Hopefully for a lot less money.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]They have Miles, probably Matthews and maybe Korver at the 2 not to mention AK and Price(LOL!). I'd say they needed a 3 more than a 2.
It was especially when they gave him away after he showed he could play. Probably re-sign Boozer and give this pick away too and it won't matter.
Guess we're in the minority on that one. He was no Collins that's for sure. LMAO!
Not sure any of those really came out well. Maynor dumped for nothing. AK overpaid. Tag benched in favor of a stiff.
Than you have Almond over Splitter when you already had Miles/Brewer. Ouch! Plenty of weird picks that didn't turn out that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about how good the player became, not the situation for the team. Ostertage was a guy who gave you lots of rebounds and about 3 blocks in limited minutes before Sloan decided he liked Oden Polynice better (one of the biggest wtf Sloan moments to me) Kirilenko was an allstar, and one of the best defenders in the league. Maynor has been a very good backup in his limited time in the league.
They have Korver, and Mathews, but neither of those players are really starting quality to me. They both have their bonuses, but even compared to brewer, who wasn't that special of a player they're pretty lackluster.
I just hope this means that Utah has some plans for making a trade for a big that can defend. Maybe this means they are planning to unload AKs contract? I dunno. I will give Hayward this, he has a good bball IQ and looks like he will be a good locker room guy, but that wont mean crap if he can't produce on the court. He is a good passer and played pguard in Highschool so I assume they would like him to take some pressure off Dwill when he is doubled in the backcourt or has a bigger defender on him. I just think there were better options at no. 9 and that utah should have at least looked to trade down if they really wanted this guy, because I highly doubt he would have gone in the top 15. I see him on the bench still in 2 years, but hopefully I am wrong. Something needs to start panning out for Utah or I don't think DWill sticks around.
[quote=magnax1]Ostertage was a guy who gave you lots of rebounds and about 3 blocks in limited minutes before Sloan decided he liked Oden Polynice better (one of the biggest wtf Sloan moments to me) [/quote]
He wasn't a great overall rebounder but one of the best offensive rebounders and shot blockers in the league which fit perfect next to Karl. Olden was a lot better than Collins who Tag and Koufos have been benched behind.
[quote]Kirilenko was an allstar, and one of the best defenders in the league.[/quote]
But his contract and injuries and decline have been killers.
[quote] Maynor has been a very good backup in his limited time in the league. [/quote]
But they gave him away when they shouldn't have drafted him in the 1st place.
[quote]They have Korver, and Mathews, but neither of those players are really starting quality to me. They both have their bonuses, but even compared to brewer, who wasn't that special of a player they're pretty lackluster.[/quote]
Agreed except Matthews>>>>>>>>>>>Brewer