Exposing the Fallacies of Science/Atheist-ism & Proving Intelligent Design!

The first life form to evolve from earth is "Cell", the building blocks of life. It would take about 40,000 of your red blood cells to fill this letter O. A cell is alive-as alive as you are. It "breathes," takes in food, & gets rid of wastes. It also grows & reproduces (creates its own kind).

In time, it dies. An optical microscope can magnify a cell up to 2,000 times. An electron microscope can magnify a cell by 1 million times. An ant magnified 200,000 times would be more than 21/2 miles (4 kilometers) long. But even with such tremendous magnification, the detailed structure of some cell parts still cannot be seen.

Is it possible that a detailed and complex form happened by chance with-out an intelligent cause? Maybe there's a chance that computers could be formed by a series of hurricane, lightning and earthquake by chance. Perhaps the lightning struck some rocks in place which caused it to melt & created wirings, then the wind placed it in location where in trillions of years earthquakes shook it & the design may possibly turn into a laptop computer!

But this won’t happen in a single step, but through random chance, the processor was made first, then the speakers, the keyboard, monitor and so forth, all by chance. No one dares to question the laws of physics (LOL). Is this possible? NO!

This analogy is IMPOSSIBLE, there’s no "chance" natural resources contain the necessary tools to create a detailed and complex laptop computer (soldering iron, laser beams, mechanical precision, proper timing &position, etc.) This requires intelligent cause. Though impossible, that analogy can be mentally visualized, unlike the claim that series of earthquakes, hurricane, sunlight, and lightning can gather atoms and molecules together, and then form it into mitochondria, ribosome, cytoplasm, nucleus, and thousands of the cell’s parts all at once then bring it to life.

For many years of observation and study, biochemists can only limitedly identify and label what’s contained in a cell. but they have never successfully created one. Considering all the technologies modern science has to offer (electron microscope, etc.) they can even split an atom into half! Yet even then NOT ONE scientist are able to successfully create a single cell, NONE! If this was the case, why then do atheist claim that series of earthquake, wind, & lightning created life forms by accident "chance" when scientist with far better technology than wind & sunlight can't?

To use "natural physics" as an explanation for the atom to transform into a cell is not only unscientific, but also impossible! The cell is so tiny that as observed & studied, earthquake & lightning is incapable of creating it. Many biochemists testified, "The cell is as complex as the city of San Francisco ".

It's impossible to form a tiny part of the cell such as the complex nucleus, or mitochondria, or any of cell’s parts alone out of gathering atoms, how much more impossible it is to create the whole body of cell all at once! For the whole entire body go hand in hand. It is like putting a human body parts together & bring it to life: putting a cell together is even far more impossible because of its tiny size. The impossible of the impossible.

I don’t care how many millions of years lightning, earthquake and wind has. Fact is natural resources cannot gather the atoms/inert compounds, molecules together & shape it to become a cell membrane, cytoplasm, nucleus, mitochondria, etc. & thousands of other parts to form a cell, the wind cant do it, earthquake cant, neither lightning (too strong) for a cell is extremely defenseless delicate life form.

I don’t care how many millions of years quantum physics, hurricane, or lightning have, FACT is no life form & creatures in this known universe can exist & function with one eye & no brain behind it, or one leg without muscles to move it. Fact is it’s all or nothing!

Don’t try to compare organisms to automobiles, car parts can wait before creating the rest of the parts, did u actually think there’s a brain lying around waiting for the rest of the parts to develop? Your strange you know that, u watch too much cartoon network! I don’t care how tiny or huge life form is (ostrich egg, cell, insects, etc) or how much time quantum physics, quantum mechanics, lightning, & wind have, the fact is the whole parts of the living organism must appear all at once or it will never survive! Impossible, no "chance" at all.

This is your "belief/theory", the brain luckily appeared (nucleus), then the eyes luckily appeared, then the nose luckily appeared, etc. thousands of parts appeared all at once by luck (magic)! Super impossible! Any life form survive & grew in size because of their digestive system, liver, throat, intestines, acid, rectum, brain, muscles, etc. And to you, the complex, tiny & delicate, mitochondria, cell membrane, cytoplasm, nucleus, ribosome, etc. thousands parts of cell's body working together all appeared AT ONCE BY ACCIDENT thanks to earthquake, wind & fire. Super extra miraculously incredibly impossible!!

Another especially strong evidence of God is the so-called anthropic principle, according to which the universe seems to have been specially designed from the beginning for human life to evolve. If the temperature of the primal fireball that resulted from the big bang some fifteen to twenty billion yrs ago, which was the beginning of our universe, had been a trillionth of a degree colder or hotter, the carbon molecule that is the foundation of all organic life could never have developed.

The number of possible universes is trillions of trillions: only one of them could support human life: this one. Sounds suspiciously like a plot. If the cosmic rays had bombarded the primordial slime at a slightly different angle or time or intensity, the hemoglobin molecule, necessary for all warm-blooded animals, could never have evolved. The chance of this molecule's evolving is one in a zillions zillion. Add together each of the chances & u have something far more impossible than a laptop computer formed by series of hurricane, lightning, and earthquake.

Fact is not one scientist with all the modern technology are able to successfully create a living cell, or any life form in the lab out of "atoms/particles", what made u think lightning, sunlight, earthquake accidentally did it? Not a chance. Just as there’s no "chance" a detailed laptop computer can be formed by earthquake, sunlight, wind, & lightning in a trillion years, no living cell can b formed the same way, this HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF, NEVER HAVE AND NEVER EVER WILL. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.the impossible of the impossible.

Kobe is all da proof I need

You're dumb and their is no god for 2 reasons

1. You're dumb

2. Their is no god

[QUOTE=Rosie Cheeks]You're dumb and their is no god for 2 reasons

1. You're dumb

2. Their is no god[/QUOTE]


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Nice nick and nice avatar.

My goodness there is so much fail in that plagiarized post. I was going to address that paragraph by paragraph, but I think I'll just ask 2 things for now- 1) Where is that article from and when was it written 2) If God is responsible for creation, why is cell replication even necessary? Why don't people/animals/etc pop out of thin air fully formed by God's divine intervention? God made Adam out dust, Eve out of baby back ribs, but from then on he decided to leave it to replication/reproduction for life to occur?

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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]My goodness there is so much fail in that plagiarized post. I was going to address that paragraph by paragraph, but I think I'll just ask 2 things for now- 1) Where is that article from and when was it written 2) If God is responsible for creation, why is cell replication even necessary? Why don't people/animals/etc pop out of thin air fully formed by God's divine intervention? God made Adam out dust, Eve out of baby back ribs, but from then on he decided to leave it to replication/reproduction for life to occur?[/QUOTE]

i wouldn't even waste my time. the whole thing is just a copy paste job.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]My goodness there is so much fail in that plagiarized post. I was going to address that paragraph by paragraph, but I think I'll just ask 2 things for now- 1) Where is that article from and when was it written 2) If God is responsible for creation, why is cell replication even necessary? Why don't people/animals/etc pop out of thin air fully formed by God's divine intervention? God made Adam out dust, Eve out of baby back ribs, but from then on he decided to leave it to replication/reproduction for life to occur?[/QUOTE]

I don't believe in god....But some will say the only reason he didn't continue to create life is because he wanted beings to fend for themselves, make their own decisions, evolve as a race of their own doing.

[QUOTE=miller-time]i wouldn't even waste my time. the whole thing is just a copy paste job.[/QUOTE]
Just like DonDadda copies and pastes too.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]My goodness there is so much fail in that plagiarized post. I was going to address that paragraph by paragraph, but I think I'll just ask 2 things for now- 1) Where is that article from and when was it written[B] 2) If God is responsible for creation, why is cell replication even necessary? Why don't people/animals/etc pop out of thin air fully formed by God's divine intervention? God made Adam out dust, Eve out of baby back ribs, but from then on he decided to leave it to replication/reproduction for life to occur?[/B][/QUOTE]
Really? This is the dumbest argument against creation I've seen in a long time.

[QUOTE=shlver]Really? This is the dumbest argument against creation I've seen in a long time.[/QUOTE]

It's not an argument. It's a question.

Care to give your two cents?

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]It's not an argument. It's a question.

Care to give your two cents?[/QUOTE]
There are a bunch of scientific approaches to breaking down his plagiarized argument, but all of those questions can be simply answered with "yes" or "I don't know." You really didn't do anything but ask the question similar to "Why do math in your head, when you have a calculator?"

[QUOTE=shlver]There are a bunch of scientific approaches to breaking down his plagiarized argument, but all of those questions can be simply answered with "yes" or "I don't know." You really didn't do anything but ask the question similar to "Why do math in your head, when you have a calculator?"[/QUOTE]

Ok. That's nice.

But what's your take on the question?

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Ok. That's nice.

But what's your take on the question?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]If God is responsible for creation, why is cell replication even necessary? Why don't people/animals/etc pop out of thin air fully formed by God's divine intervention? God made Adam out dust, Eve out of baby back ribs, but from then on he decided to leave it to replication/reproduction for life to occur?[/QUOTE]
I don't know to the first question, but if we assume God is responsible for creation we have to assume he had a purpose in designing it that way. They don't have to pop out of thin air, because God has provided us/animals/etc. with the necessary hardware? That makes sense. The last one can be answered simply yes.

[QUOTE=shlver]I don't know to the first question, but if we assume God is responsible for creation we have to assume he had a purpose in designing it that way. They don't have to pop out of thin air, because God has provided us/animals/etc. with the necessary hardware? That makes sense. The last one can be answered simply yes.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

So if we assume (like the article's author) that God is the architect of the cell and he programmed it to self replicate and carry out other functions, but outside/natural forces don't have an effect... then how do you explain an occurrence like this?

A genetic deformity:

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Or victims of Agent Orange:

[IMG]http://www.kianh.org.uk/pictures/Anh%20and%20Trang.jpg[/IMG]

Examples of deformity caused by genetic mutation or natural/outside forces say what exactly about God's perfect divinely hand-crafted, pre-programmed creation? In your opinion.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Thank you.

So if we assume (like the article's author) that God is the architect of the cell and he programmed it to self replicate and carry out other functions, but outside/natural forces don't have an effect... then how do you explain an occurrence like this?

A genetic deformity:



Or victims of Agent Orange:



Examples of deformity caused by genetic mutation or natural/outside forces say what exactly about God's perfect divinely hand-crafted, pre-programmed creation? In your opinion.[/QUOTE]
Who said it was perfect?

[QUOTE=shlver]Who said it was perfect?[/QUOTE]

Fine :rolleyes:

Take out the word perfect, then answer the question.

[url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101008-science-space-saturn-titan-haze-life-amino-acids-bases/[/url]

[B]Saturn's Largest Moon Has Ingredients for Life?[/B]

[QUOTE]The chemical "letters" used to write the basic code for life on Earth might exist on Saturn's largest moon, according to new research presented Thursday.

The findings suggest the building blocks of life on Earth may have originated in the air, not only in primordial "soup" on land.

Based on lab experiments, scientists concluded it's possible the thick atmospheric haze on Titan contains the five so-called nucleotide bases used in DNA and RNA, as well as some simple amino acids

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Fine :rolleyes:

Take out the word perfect, then answer the question.[/QUOTE]
If the machinery to replicate cells is not perfect, then it's bound to make mistakes. This should be obvious.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic][url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101008-science-space-saturn-titan-haze-life-amino-acids-bases/[/url]

[B]Saturn's Largest Moon Has Ingredients for Life?[/B][/QUOTE]

Now [I]that's[/I] how you copy & paste.

You can add Gliese 581g to the list. Which is why I was wondering when this article was written.

Plus the whole science not being able to create cells is somewhat outdated since a self-replicating synthetic genome was made at the Venter Institute.

So yeah... back to the future prophesy gimmick.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Now [I]that's[/I] how you copy & paste.

You can add Gliese 581g to the list. Which is why I was wondering when this article was written.

[B]Plus the whole science not being able to create cells is somewhat outdated since a self-replicating synthetic genome was made at the Venter Institute.[/B]

So yeah... back to the future prophesy gimmick.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[QUOTE=shlver]If the machinery to replicate cells is not perfect, then it's bound to make mistakes. This should be obvious.[/QUOTE]

Well it's obvious to me. I'm just wondering why certain people think that natural forces can't affect 'God's machinery' when we see it happening all the time. And if nature/outside forces can alter/change cell coding and force mutation... why should anyone believe that God created the machine in the first place? It's obvious that if he did program the cell, it's a flawed system (made by a flawed being?) that is CLEARLY affected by nature.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Now [I]that's[/I] how you copy & paste.

You can add Gliese 581g to the list. Which is why I was wondering when this article was written.

Plus the whole science not being able to create cells is somewhat outdated since a self-replicating synthetic genome was made at the Venter Institute.

So yeah... back to the future prophesy gimmick.[/QUOTE]


You don't even have to go that far away. I think it is likely that we will find some form of life in our own solar system one day (not including earth).

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Well it's obvious to me. I'm just wondering why certain people think that natural forces can't affect 'God's machinery' when we see it happening all the time. And if nature/outside forces can alter/change cell coding and force mutation... why should anyone believe that God created the machine in the first place? It's obvious that if he did program the cell, it's a flawed system (made by a flawed being?) that is CLEARLY affected by nature.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say that it can't be affected by nature/outside forces? Explain how it's a flawed system and it is faulty logic to think that perfect beings can only make perfect things.

[QUOTE=shlver]:facepalm Do you have any idea what you're talking about?[/QUOTE]

You remember this, right?

[QUOTE][B][U]U.S. scientists create first 'synthetic life'[/U][/B]

U.S. researchers have created the world's first "synthetic life," a strain of bacteria created with man-made DNA.

"This is the first self-replicating cell we've had on the planet whose parent is a computer," team leader Craig Venter of the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Md., told USA TODAY's Dan Vergano. Venter has been a leader in human genome mapping as well as synthetic biology.

The breakthrough is "a defining moment in the history of biology and biotechnology," Mark Bedau, a philosopher at Reed College and editor of the journal Artificial Life, toldScience magazine.

The sci-fi strain of the blue bacteria, which are not infectious, is in a freezer and headed to a museum.

Regarding the broader implications of the research, the Venter Institute writes, "Throughout the course of this work, the team contemplated, discussed, and engaged in outside review of the ethical and societal implications of their work.

[URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/05/us-scientists-create-first-synthetic-life/1"]http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/05/us-scientists-create-first-synthetic-life/1[/URL][/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]Where did I say that it can't be affected by nature/outside forces? Explain how it's a flawed system and it is faulty logic to think that perfect beings can only make perfect things.[/QUOTE]

I was addressing the OP's article and the assertion that nature/natural forces do not affect the basic cell/DNA/etc. Disease, mutation, etc makes it a flawed system, especially one that was crafted by a divine being. What is your definition of perfection? Especially considering we are supposedly made in his image, Elephantiasis and all.

Chaos theory, look into it.

[QUOTE=shlver]If the machinery to replicate cells is not perfect, then it's bound to make mistakes. This should be obvious.[/QUOTE]

Is God proud of his shoddy work?

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]You remember this, right?






I was addressing the OP's article and the assertion that nature/natural forces do not affect the basic cell/DNA/etc. Disease, mutation, etc makes it a flawed system, especially one that was crafted by a divine being. What is your definition of perfection? Especially considering we are supposedly made in his image, Elephantiasis and all.[/QUOTE]
They didn't create a cell though They constructed a genome from scratch and inserted it into an [B]EXISTING[/B] bacterial cell... So they created working DNA, not a cell in its entirety.

Where in the article does it assert that? Reread the article again please.
Man created in God's image does not assert man is perfect. God resides in spirit and does not have a physical body, so our physical bodies and imperfections do not reflect God. I see two meanings in the phrase "created in God's image": God is living, and we reflect that because we are living and God has free will, and we have free will and we have the ability to choose.

[QUOTE=Jackass18]Is God proud of his shoddy work?[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's not shoddy at all. It's an extraordinarily accurate system.

Why would a perfect being make a world that is so imperfect?

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Why would a perfect being make a world that is so imperfect?[/QUOTE]
I don't know God's motives.

[QUOTE=shlver]They didn't create a cell though(Created mitochondria, ribosomes, ER, Rough ER, etc) They constructed a genome from scratch and inserted it into an [B]EXISTING[/B] bacterial cell... So they created working DNA, not a cell in its entirety.

Where in the article does it assert that? Reread the article again please.
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I know that, which is why I said 'somewhat' originally. But humans being able to program self-replicating DNA sequences via a computer and implanting them into other cells is a HUGE step towards creating life/cells.

[QUOTE]Man created in God's image does not assert man is perfect. God resides in spirit and does not have a physical body, so our physical bodies and imperfections do not reflect God. I see two meanings in the phrase "created in God's image": God is living, and we reflect that because we are living and God has free will, and we have free will and we have the ability to choose.[/QUOTE]

So basically being made in God's image has nothing to do with our physical beings but by our being alive and having free will? So when someone uses their free will to go on a serial killing spree or to rape children, that's a reflection of God? :wtf:

Looks like you might want to rethink that.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]I know that, which is why I said 'somewhat' originally. But humans being able to program self-replicating DNA sequences via a computer and implanting them into other cells is a HUGE step towards creating life/cells.



[B]So basically being made in God's image has nothing to do with our physical beings but by our being alive and having free will? So when someone uses their free will to go on a serial killing spree or to rape children, that's a reflection of God? :wtf: [/B]

Looks like you might want to rethink that.[/QUOTE]
He has free will which is a reflection of God, but a person choosing to sin or go on a killing spree or raping children is a reflection of man's evil nature. What's so hard to understand about this?

So is Jesus planning to die for our sins again anytime soon? Cause uhh you know.. I refuse to take responsibility.

[QUOTE=Hazard]So is Jesus planning to die for our sins again anytime soon? Cause uhh you know.. I refuse to take responsibility.[/QUOTE]
Burn in hell then.
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[QUOTE=shlver]Burn in hell then.
[IMG]http://dreamalittledream.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/two-thumbs-up.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wait that's not right I thought that if I accept Jesus as my saviour then I'm saved? Are you saying the Bible is wrong?

[QUOTE=shlver]He has free will which is a reflection of God, but a person choosing to sin or go on a killing spree or raping children is a reflection of man's evil nature. [B]What's so hard to understand about this?[/B][/QUOTE]

The part where you said free will is Godly and the existence of free will within us is a reflection of that Godliness. It makes perfect sense actually when you actually read the bible and see how many genocides, pestilences, and general 'evil' God personally committed. So is it safe to say that since by our nature we are a reflection of God, and we are naturally evil... that God by nature is evil himself?

God once got a guy fired, killed his whole family aswell.....Just to see if he keeps the faith.


Also made Eve have sex with her sons...And her daughters had sex with the Brothers...To create us all....Which should be wrong right?...

[QUOTE=Hazard]Wait that's not right I thought that if I accept Jesus as my saviour then I'm saved? Are you saying the Bible is wrong?[/QUOTE]
Nope, that's right, but Jesus already died and resurrected.:cheers:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The part where you said free will is Godly and the existence of free will within us is a reflection of that Godliness. It makes perfect sense actually when you actually read the bible and see how many genocides, pestilences, and general 'evil' God personally committed. So is it safe to say that since by our nature we are a reflection of God, and we are naturally evil... that God by nature is evil himself?[/QUOTE]
I never said free will is Godly. I assumed you had a basic knowledge on the Biblical story on the fall of man, but I see I'm wasting my time here.