D'Antoni wants this guy. And as usual Walsh will do whatever Mike D'Antoni asks him to do (e.g. Jordan Hill :facepalm)
Anyone euro fans know about this guy? Supposedly he's like Bargnani?
Let's hope he's not the next Tskishvilli (sp?)
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D'Antoni wants this guy. And as usual Walsh will do whatever Mike D'Antoni asks him to do (e.g. Jordan Hill :facepalm)
Anyone euro fans know about this guy? Supposedly he's like Bargnani?
Let's hope he's not the next Tskishvilli (sp?)
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158724[/url]
Donatas Motiejunas > Bargnani.
What's with these horrible NBA comparisons?
[QUOTE=DRoseOwnsACamry]Donatas Motiejunas > Bargnani.
What's with these horrible NBA comparisons?[/QUOTE]
Well even if he was just = to Bargnani I'd be extremely pleased with the pick (on the Knicks).
It'd be interesting, we could put Amare at the 5 for stretches and throw Dontas in at the 4 to draw out the opposing teams power foward.
Can he actually handle the ball or is he like Pat Garrity/Raef LaFrentz
I hope so... as much as we need a back up PG and C, this guy is legit and really become a good player if he hits the weight room. (And considering the talent level of this draft, is there too much difference from someone we get in the second round via bought pick than at #17?)
But I can't see him falling out of the lottery.
[QUOTE=MeLO MvP 15]I hope so... as much as we need a back up PG and C, this guy is legit and really become a good player if he hits the weight room. (And considering the talent level of this draft, is there too much difference from someone we get in the second round via bought pick than at #17?)
But I can't see him falling out of the lottery.[/QUOTE]
nbadraft.net has him at #16, I don't think Philly would select him.
If they can find a way into the top five, then maybe.
[QUOTE=DStebb716]If they can find a way into the top five, then maybe.[/QUOTE]
thats where experts saw him over a year ago.
Things can change in a heartbeat....remember Channing Frye was projected like 24th then he had a good close to his college career and good workouts ended up 7th
when are the knicks picking?
Isn't he projected to be a versatile 7 footer, with perimeter skills? Scoring being his main asset. Why you'd want to surround Melo|Amare with that is beyond me. I'd be looking for tough gritty defensive first guy's who rebounds the ball.
Everything I read is that he compares to AB. Why would you even want AB on the Knicks? That would basically solidify that the Knicks were going with the out score the opponent first, play defense second Mike D style of play. It would do wonders for Melo|Amare offensively but not the way to make serious noise.
I dunno much about him tho. Just what I read, and what I read seems to be the opposite of what the Knicks should do imo.
Knicks need Biyombo. :lol
[QUOTE=kaiiu]when are the knicks picking?[/QUOTE]
17
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Isn't he projected to be a versatile 7 footer, with perimeter skills? Scoring being his main asset. Why you'd want to surround Melo|Amare with that is beyond me. I'd be looking for tough gritty defensive first guy's who rebounds the ball.
Everything I read is that he compares to AB. Why would you even want AB on the Knicks? That would basically solidify that the Knicks were going with the out score the opponent first, play defense second Mike D style of play. It would do wonders for Melo|Amare offensively but not the way to make serious noise.
I dunno much about him tho. Just what I read, and what I read seems to be the opposite of what the Knicks should do imo.[/QUOTE]
Mike D'Antoni is going to go down in flames doing it his own way till the bitter end. I agree this is not what we need...but if he's Bargnani-esque he'd be very useful on this team.
he is not gonn drop that far
[QUOTE=TaLvsCuaL]Knicks need Biyombo. :lol[/QUOTE]
Tell me about it. He'd be perfect, but like Montiejunas... he's most likely out of our range...
But every year some lottery picks fall really far. Think about how Alabi and Whiteside were supposed to be lotto pick last year (Alabi almost didn't get drafted and Whiteside was a 2nd rounder). IMO, if anyone falls it could be Biyombo because of all the questions about his age. Personally, I don't care if he's 26 or 18, I would go crazy if he was there at 17 and the Knicks didn't pick him.
Knicks should look at Markieff Morris if he drops to #17. NBA body and wouldn't have to worry about scoring too much.
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Mike D'Antoni is going to go down in flames doing it his own way till the bitter end. I agree this is not what we need...but if he's Bargnani-esque he'd be very useful on this team.[/QUOTE]
True enough. If NY is sticking it out with Mike D, defensive|rebounding players aren't really going to be needed. A player projected to be like AB however would fit nice into that style of play.
No way he drops that low.
I'm more worried about how any new players will fit into D'Antoni's 8 man rotation, it's very very possible whoever we pick may just rot on the bench anyway.
I don't know about him, I'm torn.
He'd be perfect for our system, but his desire worries me and also the fact that he can be Bargnani #2 is worrisome as well.
He's a fantastic offensive player for a 20 year old, yet his defense is lacking and that's been a problem for the Knicks last season.
[QUOTE=Sicknote]I'm more worried about how any new players will fit into D'Antoni's 8 man rotation, it's very very possible whoever we pick may just rot on the bench anyway.[/QUOTE]
Oh I couldn't agree more. D'Antoni usually never plays rookies (3 exceptions are Fields, Joe Johnson and Gallo... and that's b/c they're all rly good) and without any job security D'Antoni isn't going to waste time developing some kid when he could put in a veteran in his place.
That being said, there are a couple of players in our range right now that I could see D'Antoni playing big minutes (like Jimmer, Biyombo, Montiejunas, Faired, Markeiff Morris and some other guys)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqK-YXlsHs[/url]
He's perfect in offense, but lazy in defense.
Today in Italy play offs Donatas scores 21 in first half (7/8 fgm-a)
[url]http://195.56.77.208/game/?id=64395[/url]
btw he's [B]Motiejunas[/B], not Mo[B]N[/B]tiejunas
[quote=Faberg]No way he drops that low.[/quote]
the above
Dude is a beast..
The Knicks should forget about need, and pick the best player available. Then they can use the pick plus Billups expirer to get players they want.
Like...I suggested.......Verajao and Sessions.
Motiejunas is not as good as Anthony Randolph.
Knicks should try to draft a PG, team him with Toney Douglas, trade Billups expirer for size.
[quote=bagelred]The Knicks should forget about need, and pick the best player available. Then they can use the pick plus Billups expirer to get players they want.
Like...I suggested.......Verajao and Sessions.[/quote]
Varejeo has an ugly contract for a role player.
[QUOTE=G-train]Motiejunas is not as good as Anthony Randolph.
Knicks should try to draft a PG, team him with Toney Douglas, trade Billups expirer for size.[/QUOTE]
Trading Anthony Randolph was almost as big a mistake as trading all those picks for Eddy Curry.
It was D'Antoni's call.
Walsh said when he picked 6th in 2008 it was between Randolph and Gallinari, and when he got to acquire AR he was ecstatic.
But D'Antoni didn't play him because he couldn't shoot 3's.
I hope no other team (except maybe the Heat :lol ) get infected with the D'Antoni cancer when we eventually fire him. The guy is as stubborn as they come, can only coach one way, and can't judge talent for sh!t. He's almost as destructive as Larry Brown..
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]
It'd be interesting, we could put Amare at the 5 for stretches and throw Dontas in at the 4 to draw out the opposing teams power foward.
[/QUOTE]
So you're not actually interested in winning, just scoring many points?
[QUOTE=bagelred]The Knicks should forget about need, and pick the best player available. Then they can use the pick plus Billups expirer to get players they want.
Like...I suggested.......Verajao and Sessions.[/QUOTE]
Terrible man....just terrible.
You're riding the hype train ESPN created for Varejao when LeBron was creating open looks for him.
You can find a Varejao anywhere. Sessions can ball but him and Sideshow Bob aren't worth losing a shot at Chris Paul over.
why the hell did the knicks trade brewer and randolph? thats 2 assets right there
[QUOTE=kaiiu]why the hell did the knicks trade brewer and randolph? thats 2 assets right there[/QUOTE]
here ill repost what i said on the 2nd page:
"Trading Anthony Randolph was almost as big a mistake as trading all those picks for Eddy Curry.
It was D'Antoni's call.
Walsh said when he picked 6th in 2008 it was between Randolph and Gallinari, and when he got to acquire AR he was ecstatic.
But D'Antoni didn't play him because he couldn't shoot 3's.
I hope no other team (except maybe the Heat ) get infected with the D'Antoni cancer when we eventually fire him. The guy is as stubborn as they come, can only coach one way, and can't judge talent for sh!t. He's almost as destructive as Larry Brown.."
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Terrible man....just terrible.
You're riding the hype train ESPN created for those guys when LeBron was creating shots for them.
You can find a Varejao anywhere. Sessions can ball but him and Sideshow Bob aren't worth losing a shot at Chris Paul over.[/QUOTE]
LeBron was creating shots for Varejao? :wtf:
That is a very odd statement, considering Varejao best traits have nothing to do with scoring. He is an excellent defensive big, very athletic for his size and a very good rebounder. He is also one of the best in the league at drawing charges and getting an opponent's front-court in foul trouble. He is versatile and can play/defend either 4s or 5s.
How, exactly, did LeBron James have anything to do with that skillset? One of the biggest reasons that the Cavs were one of the best defensive teams year-in and year-out during the James era was the defensive versatility of Varejao.
He is also an excellent offensive rebounder and he'll get you a lot of extra possessions.
Sessions never even played with LeBron James, so that is obviously moot, as well.
He is a nice young combo guard... Had a month this past season where he averaged 20 points and 10 assists on 50+% from the field. Even with Baron Davis cutting significantly into his minutes during the second half of the season, Sessions finished with a career high season average of 13+ points and 5+ assists on 47% from the field (excellent efficiency for a perimeter player).
Sessions and Varejao are both very nice commodities for the Cavs. In fact, I'm wondering what the Knicks can offer that would even make the Cavs consider trading them?
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]LeBron was creating shots for Varejao? :wtf:
That is a very odd statement, considering Varejao best traits have nothing to do with scoring. He is an excellent defensive big, very athletic for his size and a very good rebounder. He is also one of the best in the league at drawing charges and getting an opponent's front-court in foul trouble. He is versatile and can play/defend either 4s or 5s.
How, exactly, did LeBron James have anything to do with that skillset? One of the biggest reasons that the Cavs were one of the best defensive teams year-in and year-out during the James era was the defensive versatility of Varejao.
He is also an excellent offensive rebounder and he'll get you a lot of extra possessions.
Sessions never even played with LeBron James, so that is obviously moot, as well.
He is a nice young combo guard... Had a month this past season where he averaged 20 points and 10 assists on 50+% from the field. Even with Baron Davis cutting significantly into his minutes during the second half of the season, Sessions finished with a career high season average of 13+ points and 5+ assists on 47% from the field (excellent efficiency for a perimeter player).
Sessions and Varejao are both very nice commodities for the Cavs. In fact, I'm wondering what the Knicks can offer that would even make the Cavs consider trading them?[/QUOTE]
not going to read all that especially since I know I'm correct.
But for your sake I'll word it better: creating open lanes for Varejao to finish around the rim.
[QUOTE=bagelred]The Knicks should forget about need, and pick the best player available. Then they can use the pick plus Billups expirer to get players they want.
Like...I suggested.......Verajao and Sessions.[/QUOTE]
What are you giving up for Varejao and Sessions?
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]What are you giving up for Varejao and Sessions?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely nothing.
We're not wasting next years $15 mill in cap room over a bench player/energy guy, and a starting calibur but middle of the road point guard
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]not going to read all that especially since I know I'm correct.
But for your sake I'll word it better: creating open lanes for Varejao to finish around the rim.[/QUOTE]
u wrong bruh. Varejao was making the same cutting plays without lebron this year. Not to mention he is a better offensive player than u give him credit for. Watch his oversseas tapes and youll see. He has a decent 15 foot jumper and has a couple nice moves in the post
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]not going to read all that especially since I know I'm correct.
But for your sake I'll word it better: creating open lanes for Varejao to finish around the rim.[/QUOTE]
But, his game is not about scoring... Actually, it has absolutely nothing to do with scoring. And, good luck finding a 7-footer with a huge wingspan and is athletic/big enough to defend 4s/5s and give your team an incredible amount of second-chance points... as well as running the floor with guards.
You know, there are some players that offer assets other than simply putting the ball in the basket. I know it is a crazy concept, but those kind of players do actually exist.
But, don't worry... The Knicks don't have anything outside of their big two that I would even consider giving up for a tandem of Varejao/Sessions.
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... I feel the same way.
You have nothing I would want for two quality assets. All of your intriguing pieces are now playing for Denver.