The Finals really ruined lebron - i mean just before the finals...

Just before the Finals Lebron was being called the greatest the clutchest. everyone was losing their shit and their mothers at these games:

Lebron James 35 points against the boston celtics:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOwCjHloLnI[/url]

especially at 2:16, when he was getting yelled at by the celtics bench aswell

or how about the very next game to seal the deal. the final 10 points? to kill off the celtics

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lmEh1SGdT4[/url]

or how about the chicago series?

tied at 73 with 4 minutes to go, in game 2. what does lebron do? lose his shit

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDa7yHW5lNY[/url]

heat win by 10

every game lebron was amazing against chicago, however nothing was more unreal then his and dwayne wade busting a nut on chicago in game 5.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgLMI784M4E[/url]

the crowd chanting miami sucks, derrick rose getting MVP chants. an 18-3 run to finish the game

i know lebron played like shit in the finals. but really after these games, i thought he and his team would win it all this season. God knows what happened in his mind in the Dallas series, but lets be serious. Lebron still kicked ass, in the prior two series, and haters, u can't hate on these games.

yet he still choked on the biggest stage in basketball

[QUOTE=28renyoy]yet he still choked on the biggest stage in basketball[/QUOTE]
never said he didn't. i know he did, but how can someone who did that ^^ just turn into a nothingman on the court.

He was definitely impressive before the biggest show. Lebron should just PLAY and stop TALKING. I like the guy as a basketball player minus the arrogance.

Yeah if he would have sealed the deal, that would have been one of the greatest postseason runs I have ever seen. This dude was killing people.

The good thing is that we know he has it in him to finish games. Hopefully he will come back next year with some new moves and be more assertive.

Kind of crazy how a professional ******* can choke as much as Lebrick does

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]Yeah if he would have sealed the deal, [B]that would have been one of the greatest postseason runs I have ever seen.[/B] This dude was killing people.

The good thing is that we know he has it in him to finish games. Hopefully he will come back next year with some new moves and be more assertive.[/QUOTE]
You can't be serious. Using just recent examples for non-championship playoff runs, his '09 run had he won would have been 10 times better. Kobe's '08 run up until the Game 4 of the '08 Finals was better as well.

[QUOTE=KenneBell]You can't be serious. Using just recent examples for non-championship playoff runs, his '09 run had he won would have been 10 times better. Kobe's '08 run up until the Game 4 of the '08 Finals was better as well.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's in 08????

I dont even remember anything before the WCF's to be honest.:oldlol: Obviously 09 would have been better though but I am saying if he got it done like he was doing it before, that would have been amazing. Lebron was ripping hearts out and dominating.

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]Kobe's in 08????[/quote]
He was averaging 32/6/6 on 50% up to the Finals.

[quote]Obviously 09 would have been better though but I am saying if he got it done like he was doing it before, that would have been amazing. Lebron was ripping hearts out and dominating.[/QUOTE]
I guess but I didn't think it was all that great of a run. He had some good games and closed out well but statistically(26/9/5) and just watching the game, LeBron wasn't dominating enough to have an all-time great playoff run.

[QUOTE=KenneBell]He was averaging 32/6/6 on 50% up to the Finals.


I guess but I didn't think it was all that great of a run. He had some good games and closed out well but statistically(26/9/5) and just watching the game, LeBron wasn't dominating enough to have an all-time great playoff run.[/QUOTE]

you are so right, my homer side is taking over. sorry for the exaggeration.

I'm rewatching Kobe's 08 postseason.......damn, poor nuggets. Kenyon Martin???? Were they serious??? This team was horrendous.

Problem with Lebron is that when the opponents punch him in the mouth, he backs away and SHRINKS. He snowballs very well, when things are going great, he steps up to the occasion, but I feel he doesn't have that extra gear, that extra something that great players have when their backs are against the wall. I really think the Game 2 Dallas run shattered his confidence.

when the hell did 26 PPG on 45 % shooting and no gamewinners become dominating? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Collie]Problem with Lebron is that when the opponents punch him in the mouth, he backs away and SHRINKS. He snowballs very well, when things are going great, he steps up to the occasion, but I feel he doesn't have that extra gear, that extra something that great players have when their backs are against the wall. I really think the Game 2 Dallas run shattered his confidence.[/QUOTE]

You just ignored game 5 against the Bulls? Game 4 against the C's?

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]You just ignored game 5 against the Bulls? Game 4 against the C's?[/QUOTE]
He started stepping up as soon as Wade hit big shots in the game. Especially that four-point play Wade got.

It's safe to call Lebron a front runner.

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]You just ignored game 5 against the Bulls? Game 4 against the C's?[/QUOTE]

Like I said, the Bulls were basically a beaten team by then. I'm not talking about clutch situations. He's a clutch guy WHEN the series is going their way. But really, when has Lebron ever won when his team was facing adversity? Like down 2 games or so? Closest I can think of is Detroit, but they were a tired team ready to be picked off. Orlando, he played great, but that was the exception than the rule, and they still lost anyway.

Doesn't change the fact that he choked. That's the definition by example of choking. You play at such a high level and come in as clear favorites, then you under-perform drastically on the biggest stage.

[QUOTE=Kellogs4toniee]Doesn't change the fact that he choked. That's the definition by example of choking. You play at such a high level and come in as clear favorites, then you under-perform drastically on the biggest stage.[/QUOTE]
:wtf:

We all know that he......:facepalm

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]:wtf:

We all know that he......:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Exercising my right of:

[IMG]http://www.trademarkia.com/logo-images/novartis-ag/go-ahead-rub-it-in-77965558.jpg[/IMG]

Wut u guise choking on

the finals just showed his true colors. he's a sidekick that thinks he's batman and all he needed to do to win his first ring was play decent let wade dominate and win fmvp but bronzy would rather quit and get embarrassed than let that happen. :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Rysio][B]the finals just showed his true colors.[/B] he's a sidekick that thinks he's batman and all he needed to do to win his first ring was play decent let wade dominate and win fmvp but bronzy would rather quit and get embarrassed than let that happen. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Da Heroic One]He started stepping up as soon as Wade hit big shots in the game. Especially that four-point play Wade got.

It's safe to call Lebron a front runner.[/QUOTE]

I had no idea someone making a shot means other people on the team automatically make their shots.

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Technially this isn't even accurate

Game 1: Alley oop dunk after game had been decided

Actual total: 3 points

Game 3: Conceeded open floor layup after game had been decided

Actual total: 0 points

Total 4th quarter points for series: 7 points

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Technially this isn't even accurate

Game 1: Alley oop dunk after game had been decided

Actual total: 3 points

Game 3: Conceeded open floor layup after game had been decided

Actual total: 0 points

Total 4th quarter points for series: 7 points

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I don't think you understand what the word technically means.

[QUOTE=kkling]I don't think you understand what the word technically means.[/QUOTE]
Yea, you're right ... it's actually the opposite. But you get the picture, and the point still stands.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Yea, you're right ... it's actually the opposite. But you get the picture, and the point still stands.[/QUOTE]

Y u so mad bro? cuz he raped the bulls? All you do is hate on lebron.

[QUOTE=asdf1990]Y u so mad bro? cuz he raped the bulls? All you do is hate on lebron.[/QUOTE]
I hate on LeBron for his lack of respect for I game I hold near and dear. I hate on LeBron because he turned his back on his own potential. I hate on LeBron because he cheated a generation of fans out of greatness.

That's why I'm mad, bro.

Lebron had a very good eastern conference run. No doubt.

However, Lebron played like a total scrub in the finals. And its going to really hurt his legacy....as it should.

Lebron has now played in 2 finals and he's been awful in both. He did deserve a pass for 07, but now it looks like he can't handle the pressure of playing on the biggest stage.

And its not like he walked into a an all time great team with no help or something. I don't think people understand what we just saw. We saw Dirk (not playing his best) and a bunch of specialists and role players beat a prime Wade/Lebron/Bosh in the finals. And the Heat had homecourt and a 2-1 series lead. And they blew a 15 point lead at home with 7 minutes to go.

I have defended Lebron here. And he often does deserve defending, but not for this. Lebron could not have come up smaller. Its impossible. He went from shutting down Rose to getting dominated by Terry. That isn't physical. Its mental.

Its one thing to play poorly. Like Kobe in 04. Kobe just didn't get it done. He didn't shrink from the moment and he wasn't afraid. I hate how Kobe played in that series and how he's played in the finals throughout his career, but he never just "wilted"......Lebron did.

Lebron lost his aggressiveness. He played "hot potato" with the ball in nearly every 4th qtr. He stopped playing any defense at all. He made mistakes high school coaches would be upset at their players for.

Lebron's legacy will remain tarnished for some time. Maybe forever....and it possibly should be.

The stakes are now even greater for Lebron going forward. He dropped in my rankings. I had him in the top 20 after this year, now he's around number 25 for me. When you play on a team as stacked as the Heat and can't get it even close to done in the finals....it hurts you.

If Lebron ever does something like this again in any playoff series, his legacy will be nothing. He'll never get over it.

Lebron has to win 3 titles in the next 5 years to repair this. And he has to win in impressive fashion. And if he does, he'll be up there in the top 10 range of players all time....right where he should be.

If he doesn't? He won't finish in the top 15 all time. He'd still have a great career, but nowhere near what he should have had. Like Simmons said recently, "Lebron got "everything".....he got blessed with the ability to do everything well on the court"....and he's wasting it.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]I hate on LeBron for his lack of respect for I game I hold near and dear. I hate on LeBron because he turned his back on his own potential. I hate on LeBron because he cheated a generation of fans out of greatness.

That's why I'm mad, bro.[/QUOTE]

I don't get how he disrespected the game. He works on coming into training camp as fit as possible. He works on his game in the off season. He stays late after practice. There is a difference between acting like a arrogant douche vs disrespect for the game. Eddy curry disrespected the game.

He didn't turn on his own potential cuz he was living up to his potential up until the finals. He still has a shot to become the top 5 GOAT. He already dominated the regular season like a few have.

We witnessed greatness in the Eastern conference semis, and ECFs.

I want good players to be on good teams so they don't rot their primes away. Maybe you have a different view.

Too early to say.He is still young and has a good team.If he wins some rings and perform well in finals first two will be forgetten for majority.

Kobe had such finals too in 2004. (22.6 ppg with %38 and 2.2 rpg &4.4 apg) What will do next is matters.

He's 26 and has a lot of basketball left in him. A LOT. As long as he wins, all this will be forgotten.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]He's 26 and has a lot of basketball left in him. A LOT. As long as he wins, all this will be forgotten.[/QUOTE]


Is that so certain? I don't think his career will end anytime soon but he's a flawed player with no post game, no clutch ability and some people have noticed he is appearing to lose some of his athlectism that is essential to his game.

ESPN has always PO'd me with their coverage of players. When someone is doing great (Lebron) they worship him, call him the GOAT and the Chosen One. Soon as the player does bad, they turn on them.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]He's 26 and has a lot of basketball left in him. A LOT. As long as he wins, all this will be forgotten.[/QUOTE]


This is so true. If Lebron somehow wins 4 championships in the next decade, 20 years down the road revisionist history will summarize his career as one of the most dominant players to ever play the game who won 4 rings.

Which is why it is so important to rub it in right now in case that happens for those who dislike Lebron :rockon:

I really don't think Lebron's playoff run up to the finals was THAT great. It was okay, but I've seen far better.

The complete shift in coverage and people's perception of LeBron during the EC playoffs is a testament to how winning DRIVES everything. An athlete's entire image is result-oriented. You win, and people view you positively - as was the case with LeBron pre-Finals. You lose, and everything you didn't do in order to win is put under the microscope.

This is for those idiots who think LeBron's image is irredeemable or he has to do something beyond-the-court to change how people view him. NOBODY gives a crap about how arrogant you are, what you say or whom you fu*ked over AS LONG AS you kick ass on the court. As long as you win, you have everybody's respect. That's what LeBron lacks right now - people's respect for him as a player. Winning while playing well will cure all of that.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]I really don't think Lebron's playoff run up to the finals was THAT great. It was okay, but I've seen far better.[/QUOTE]

You are right, but the whole "LeBron's never played better!" talk that was so prevalent during the playoffs is just another testament to how winning completely dominates your image. All LeBron had to do was play reasonably well and come through late in games and he was suddenly playing better than ever, which was a joke if you had actually followed the guy's career. 10-11 LeBron wasn't even 90% the player he was the previous 2 seasons.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]I really don't think Lebron's playoff run up to the finals was THAT great. It was okay, but I've seen far better.[/QUOTE]

Name me some better ones you have seen from other wing players not named Jordan.

[QUOTE=Indian guy]You are right, but the whole "LeBron's never played better!" talk that was so prevalent during the playoffs is just another testament to how winning completely dominates your image. All LeBron had to do was play reasonably well and come through late in games and he was suddenly playing better than ever, which was a joke if you had actually followed the guy's career. 10-11 LeBron wasn't even 90% the player he was the previous 2 seasons.[/QUOTE]

Its not about the monster numbers, its about him breaking hearts like only Jordan did in the 90s. Going on the road and repeatedly delivering daggers, idc if you are a hater of what the semis and ECF was greatness .

[QUOTE=asdf1990]Name me some better ones you have seen from other wing players not named Jordan.[/QUOTE]

There are many in league history.For last decade Kobe,Iverson,Wade i can remember.