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TPOLS claims that MJ would have had no chance to replace Kobe from 08 to 10 and make 3 straight finals. He claims at most he makes 2 finals and wins 1 title.
Agree or disagree?
Also, does 98 Jordan get swept by the Mavs replacing Kobe this year?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckkLI7U8Btg[/url]
:roll: :roll: 96-98 Jordan is as good as Prime Kobe.
96- 30\7\4 50%
97- 30\6\4 48.5%
98- 29\6\4 47%
wtf??
Kobe in his absolute prime ('05-'09) is like 70%-75% of 95-98 MJ at his best.
Many kobe'tards think '05-'08 Kobe = '95-'98 MJ which is a lie.
[B]the above % is based on "efficiency" & not on some garbage overrated catagory like skillset, ball handling skills crap that kobe'tards ejaculate to.[/B]
keeping this in mind........
'08-'10 Kobe is like 65%-70% of '95-'98 MJ.
Kobe'tards need to remember why NBA MVP Kobe Lost NBA Finals to Celtics despite being clear favorites.
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Kobe'tards need to also remember 1998 Jazz was favorite to beat old, tired & aging Bulls in 6 games. 1998 pacers also did the number on Bulls in brutal 7 game series. Plus, Pippen injury in 1998 NBA finals didnt help. Plus the fact that Bulls are weak at Big Man position.
1998 Championship over clear favorites Jazz is won because MJ just refused to Loose.
Lol @ jordan stans thinkin Kobe at his PEAK was only 70% as good as old mike:lol :facepalm
06-10 Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PEAK cheese eyes
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]:roll: :roll: 95-98 Jordan is clearly BETTER than Prime Kobe.
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now its corrected.
MJ didnt just record 2 reg sea mvps, 3 finals mvps & 3 scoring titles in 3 full years because he was as good as prime Kobe.
Kobe has taken 15 NBA seasons to record 1 MVP & 2 Finals MVPs & 2 scoring titles in Weak Era.
1995-1998 MJ exceeded Kobe in just 3 years in much physically tough era with higher skill level.
They're really close. Close enough that it's pretty tough to seperate who was better.
lol @ 98 jordan taking 23 shots a game
lol @ 98 jordan taking 9 freethrows a game
disgust @ 98 jordan shooting 23% from the 3 point line :facepalm
smh @ 78% from the freethrow
scust @ this old ass negga only having 3 apg that year. My negga you old af, pass the ball more with yo 23% shootin asss
[QUOTE=magnax1]They're really close. Close enough that it's [B]pretty tough to seperate who was better[/B].[/QUOTE]
Peak Kobe has won 2 scoring titles
96-98 MJ has won 3 scoring titles . [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
Peak Kobe has won 1 NBA MVP.
96-98 MJ has won 2 NBA MVPs. [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
Peak Kobe has won 2 Finals MVPs
96-98 MJ has won 3 Finals MVPs. [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
Peak Kobe has LOST 1 NBA Finals series despite being favorites.
96-98 MJ has NOT lost any NBA Finals series despite being underdog (1998). [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
Peak Kobe has failed to sweep MVP in a year.
96-98 MJ has won NBA MVP + Finals MVP TWICE. [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
are you faking Blind. You still cannot seperate who is better. :facepalm
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Peak Kobe has won 2 scoring titles
96-98 MJ has won 3 scoring titles . [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
Peak Kobe has won 1 NBA MVP.
96-98 MJ has won 2 NBA MVPs. [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
Peak Kobe has won 2 Finals MVPs
96-98 MJ has won 3 Finals MVPs. [B]Advantage MJ[/B]
are you faking Blind. You still cannot seperate who is better. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Jordan did have the best team ever in 96, and 97, especially if you're going off defensive talent, so it's not really the same. They both are really really really close in playoff production, but I do think Jordan was a better defender, and Kobe a bit better at running the Lakers offense, and a bit more efficient. If I absolutely had to choose one, it'd probably be Jordan, but if you traded the two, you might no win any more or less games, especially since their games were extremely similar, except for Jordan getting inside more and Kobe relying more on his jumper.
[QUOTE=magnax1]Jordan did have the best team ever in 96, and 97[/quote]
excuses is all you get from Kobe fans. Nobody told Kobe not to win scoring title year after year after year once Shaq Left. Kobe should've had 6 scoring titles being a shot jocker that he is. But only 2 scoring titles is what he got.
[QUOTE]I do think Jordan was a better defender, and [B]Kobe a bit better at running the Lakers offense, and a bit more efficient[/B].[/QUOTE]
Is this some joke. Kobe is more efficient. :roll: kobe runs the laker offense better.:roll: Kobe seriously LACKS efficiency & its the reason why Lakers lost to Pistons in '04 & '08 despite being favorites. Kobe has NO court vision, Low Bball IQ. Kobe will never be MJ, Bird or Magic. He can make tough shots once every 10 games.
96-98 MJ clearly mastered the game & reinvented it. Kobe in his absolute prime peak is 75% of MJ at very best. Kobe lacks mastery like MJ mastered the inside & outside game. Magic mastered PG position. Bird mastered playing without ball in his hand.
Hence MJs efficiency was clearly superior to kobe's inefficiency. shot jocking, ball hogging is different thing. Both MJ & Kobe did that at some point in their career.
Kobe just lacks mastery because of low Bball IQ. Kobe still cannot play without the ball. Kobe is a weak playmaker even compared to LBJ let alone MJ.
[QUOTE=zay_24]lol @ 98 jordan taking 23 shots a game
lol @ 98 jordan taking 9 freethrows a game
disgust @ 98 jordan shooting 23% from the 3 point line :facepalm
smh @ 78% from the freethrow
scust @ this old ass negga only having 3 apg that year. My negga you old af, pass the ball more with yo 23% shootin asss[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol:
95-96 Jordan is better than ANY version of Kobe.
2007-08 Kobe is better then 96-98 Jordan.....of course 87-93 MJ blows any version of Bryant out the building.
[QUOTE=Solid Snake]95-96 Jordan is better than ANY version of Kobe.[/QUOTE]
This.
One thing Kobe'tards will never admit.
Kobe seriously LACKS the ultimate mastery of the Game. Kobe can copy some of MJ but that just dont mean he can be that great without ultimate mastery of inside game & outside game & triangle offense.
Magic competely Mastered the Art of PG position & expanded it.
Bird was ultimate Master as positioning himself on the court & play without Bball in his hand.
Kobe is a cheaper immitator at best.
[QUOTE=game3524][B]2007-08 Kobe is better then 96-98 Jordan[/B].....of course 87-93 MJ blows any version of Bryant out the building.[/QUOTE]
Yet, '08 Kobe FAILED to win Finals MVP & Pierce whoopped his ass.
Yet, '08 Kobe FAILED to win scoring titles.
1996 MJ swept NBA MVP that year.
1998 MJ swept NBA MVP again.
& 3 more scoring titles.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]This.
One thing Kobe'tards will never admit.
Kobe seriously LACKS the ultimate mastery of the Game. Kobe can copy some of MJ but that just dont mean he can be that great without ultimate mastery of inside game & outside game & triangle offense.
Magic competely Mastered the Art of PG position & expanded it.
Bird was ultimate Master as positioning himself on the court & play without Bball in his hand.
Kobe is a cheaper immitator at best.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
The only thing that separates Bryant from Jordan is athleticism. Jordan was a freakish athlete and had cat quickness, which helped him get higher percentage shots.
It's pretty damn sad that people try to disparage Kobe's name even though he's a legend himself, just to prop up Jordan. It is uber close, it can go either way. You cant tell me that 2010 Kobe lighting up the suns didnt remind you of MJ.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]It's pretty damn sad that people try to disparage Kobe's name even though he's a legend himself, just to prop up Jordan. It is uber close, it can go either way. You cant tell me that 2010 Kobe lighting up the suns didnt remind you of MJ.[/QUOTE]
this. I hate Jordan Stans. Not even a huge Kobe fan I just hate those phaggets
gengiskhan ... you're being an ass clown. 2008 - 2010 Kobe is very much in the debate with 1996 - 1998 Jordan. You acting like there is no case to be made makes you a pathetic homer. Not realizing this comparison alone proves MJ's greatness and superiority. Kobe's absolute 3 best and most accomplished years in his prime are DEBATABLE at being better than MJ in the twighlight of his career from 33 - 35 years old. SMH ... what an idiot.
[QUOTE=PowerGlove]It's pretty damn sad that people try to disparage Kobe's name even though he's a legend himself, just to prop up Jordan. It is uber close, it can go either way. You cant tell me that 2010 Kobe lighting up the suns didnt remind you of MJ.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. When you get called both a Kobe hater and Kobe Homer all the time is when you know you're right, lol.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Yet, '08 Kobe FAILED to win Finals MVP & Pierce whoopped his ass.
Yet, '08 Kobe FAILED to win scoring titles.
1996 MJ swept NBA MVP that year.
1998 MJ swept NBA MVP again.
& 3 more scoring titles.[/QUOTE]
By that line of reasoning, 2010 Kobe was better then 2010 Lebron. Kobe in 2008 was at or close to his peak, He was a better defender then Jordan at that point, and their offensive games was pretty much a wash.
Also, who gives a shit about scoring titles, Kobe had much better offensive support in 2008, he didn't need to win the award and if he wanted to he could have averaged 30-32 ppg.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]This.
One thing Kobe'tards will never admit.
Kobe seriously LACKS the ultimate mastery of the Game. Kobe can copy some of MJ but that just dont mean he can be that great without ultimate mastery of inside game & outside game & triangle offense.
Magic competely Mastered the Art of PG position & expanded it.
Bird was ultimate Master as positioning himself on the court & play without Bball in his hand.
Kobe is a cheaper immitator at best.[/QUOTE]
I have defended and praised Kobe for his willingness to dare aspire at being better than MJ. I have defended and praised Kobe time and time again when comparing Bron and others to him. I have given him the highest compliment any player can get when I state that he's the closest to MJ as far as 'skills set'.
But that's all Kobe is= Jordan 'lite'
He has some of MJ's skills, but not as polished and at the same level of 'consistency'. If MJ is a 9.5 in a certain skill, Kobe is an 8 (depending on what we're talking about).
But where Kobe lacks the most (and this is significant) is in the IQ department.
Lawdy is he far behind in this department.
MJ is clearly a 10, Kobe is a 5.
And this takes away from all of the other aspects in his game. MJ wasn't perfect, but he knew how to maximize his strengths while not letting his opponents exploit his weaknesses. Kobe on the other hand is the opposite. There's a huge reason why his stats aren't as impressive as MJ's (although impressive on their own right), and that's because he has never come close to MJ's overall mastery of the game.
There's an interview with MJ where he states that physically, Wade, Bron and Kobe would beat him. But when it comes to the mental aspects, it's not even close.... and he's right.
Some cats here are too young or too dumb (sorry, but it's true) to understand this very important aspect. And that's what I believe takes Kobe notches down from even being equal to MJ, let alone better.
[QUOTE=game3524] 2010 Kobe was better then 2010 Lebron[/quote]
Lebron was clearly better in 2010. Lebron stats were suprior to kobe. & Lebron won NBA MVP over kobe. BTW, you should know kobe's finals performance in 2010 against celtics. I dont need to remind you.
[QUOTE]Kobe in 2008 was at or close to his peak, He was a better defender then Jordan at that point. [/QUOTE]
Kobe was never a better defender than MJ till 1998. Infact, it was never close. MJ was alltime great defender. Kobe is a good solid defender. MJ is multiple times steals leader, blockshots leader by Guard etc etc. too much ownage. Only pippen, payton & rodman can be compared with MJ.
Kobe is a good solid perimeter defender. Never in the league of MJ. HINT: Kobe stuggles to finish in Top 5 steals list.
[quote]Also, who gives a shit about scoring titles, [B]Kobe had much better offensive support in 2008[/B] [/QUOTE]
Kobe cannot win scoring title without being a complete shot jocker. we all know that. So Better '08 kobe supporting cast got him the NBA MVP. [B]Yet, Kobe with better supporting cast got his arse whipped by pierce in the Finals.[/B]
You answered the original Question.
No Kobe version is Equal to or Better than 1984-1998 MJ. NONE.
This
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]gengiskhan ... you're being an ass clown. 2008 - 2010 Kobe is very much in the debate with 1996 - 1998 Jordan. You acting like there is no case to be made makes you a pathetic homer. Not realizing this comparison alone proves MJ's greatness and superiority. Kobe's absolute 3 best and most accomplished years in his prime are DEBATABLE at being better than MJ in the twighlight of his career from 33 - 35 years old. SMH ... what an idiot.[/QUOTE]
If one looks solely at the stats then maybe a case can be made.
But the stats only tell part of the picture.
Kobe has never been on the same level that MJ has, period. And it's deeper than just stats, skills set, etc.etc.
One thing to remember is, when Kobe was in his supposed prime, he was never the athlete MJ was. He didn't have the post up game that he has now, he wasn't as good a leader (improved yes, but never the leader he is now... and even today he aint on MJ's level), and he has never been (still isn't) close to having MJ's IQ.
Mj is regarded as the GOAT by the majority because he was the sum of all things that one can think of. He was a frankenstein of a player, created from all aspects one would come up with to make the ideal player. Kobe has some of them but always lacks some of them at any given point in time.
I definately would take 96-98 MJ over Bryant. I firmly believe that jordan at this stage was a complete and unstopable basketball player. He obviously wasn't quite the athlete he was in the begining of his career, but he learned how to utilize the talents of the rest of his team. Which made him much more unguardable.
Kobe still hasn't evolved to this point. It seemes to me that he was going to do it in the beginning of the season when he played within the flow of the game. And the lakers were unstopable. But once talk began that pau gasol was the early favorite for mvp, it seemed kobe took it on himslef to reassert his role on the team and thus hurt the lakers. His immaturity in this respect is what hurts his case over jordan
Oh please, you Jordan stans are getting ridiculous. The difference between Kobe and Jordan is not basketball IQ, it is athleticism and physical attributes . Jordan WAS a freakish athlete and was cat quick. Kobe is a great athlete himself, but he isn't on Jordan's level that department.
Phil has even said that Bryant is more skilled then Jordan, but MJ had the advantage when it came to the physical attributes(Bigger hands, stronger upper body).
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]gengiskhan ... you're being an ass clown. 2008 - 2010 Kobe is very much in the debate with 1996 - 1998 Jordan. You acting like there is no case to be made makes you a pathetic homer. Not realizing this comparison alone proves MJ's greatness and superiority. Kobe's absolute 3 best and most accomplished years in his prime are DEBATABLE at being better than MJ in the twighlight of his career from 33 - 35 years old. SMH ... what an idiot.[/QUOTE]
There is no real case.
in all honesty.
Kobe just FAILED to sweep MVP in single season. MJ did it TWICE.
Kobe FAILED to lead any catagory in '08-'10. MJ did it THRICE & continued to be Playoff leader as well in 1996-1998.
If MJs 1996 finals MVP win is WEAK. So is Kobe's '10 Finals MVP over celtics.
MJ 1996-1998 became an unltimate master of the Game, He expanded it, reinvented it so that it can be copied by or SG like Kobe.
'08-'10 Kobe despite playing with dominant big men in his team cannot EQUAL MJ.
Besides Orlando finals, Kobe's Finals stats are average considering the rules he played under.
Mostly All Of These Jordan Stans Come From Bruce Blitz Cult.
Samurai Swoosh Is The Only One Who Isnt Brainwashed
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Lebron was clearly better in 2010. Lebron stats were suprior to kobe. & Lebron won NBA MVP over kobe. BTW, you should know kobe's finals performance in 2010 against celtics. I dont need to remind you.
Kobe was never a better defender than MJ till 1998. Infact, it was never close. MJ was alltime great defender. Kobe is a good solid defender. MJ is multiple times steals leader, blockshots leader by Guard etc etc. too much ownage. Only pippen, payton & rodman can be compared with MJ.
Kobe is a good solid perimeter defender. Never in the league of MJ. HINT: Kobe stuggles to finish in Top 5 steals list.
Kobe cannot win scoring title without being a complete shot jocker. we all know that. So Better '08 kobe supporting cast got him the NBA MVP. [B]Yet, Kobe with better supporting cast got his arse whipped by pierce in the Finals.[/B]
You answered the original Question.
No Kobe version is Equal to or Better than 1984-1998 MJ. NONE.
This[/QUOTE]
1. I agree that Bron was better then Bryant in 2010, my point in using him as an example was to point out the stupidity of taking 96-98 Jordan over 2008 Bryant duo to team success.
2. Bryant was a better defender in 2008 then Jordan was in 96-98, 2008 was one of Kobe's best defensive years, in fact his best year since the 3-peat days. Jordan still had the smarts, but Bryant was the better athlete at that point which gives him the edge.
3. Jordan averaged 22 shots per a game from 96-98, Bryant averaged 20 shots per a game. Kobe could have one the scoring title in 2008 on the same amount of shots MJ took from 96-98 if he wanted to, but he dialed it back to fit in more with the team.
Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question about it. But some of you need to get his dick out of your mouth.
[QUOTE=game3524]Oh please, you Jordan stans are getting ridiculous. The difference between Kobe and Jordan is not basketball IQ, it is athleticism and physical attributes . Jordan WAS a freakish athlete and was cat quick. Kobe is a great athlete himself, but he isn't on Jordan's level that department.
Phil has even said that Bryant is more skilled then Jordan, but MJ had the advantage when it came to the physical attributes(Bigger hands, stronger upper body).[/QUOTE]
You clearly don't understand basketball.
MJ isn't MJ because he was a freakish athlete. Yes, it was 'a' factor, but not THE factor. If Mj just had skills and athleticism he would've still been great, but not as great legendary as he became. MJ became legendary because he had a very high basketball IQ. He knew how to use his gifts to his advantage, he knew how to exploit his defenders, he knew how to control the game in every aspect etc.etc.
During a TNT tribute, Kenny and Magic alluded to this.
His drive, athleticism, skills, can all very well be crippled if he doesn't have the high IQ that he has. It's a very underrated aspect of one's game, but also very essential.
I can go on the court and still be very effective against younger competition even tho I'm older and haven't played the game in a decade. Because my iq on the court will allow me to do that, even tho my athleticism has faded into obscurity. Kobe till this day makes rookie mistakes, at times I just :facepalm at him.
[QUOTE=andgar923]I have defended and praised Kobe for his willingness to dare aspire at being better than MJ. I have defended and praised Kobe time and time again when comparing Bron and others to him. I have given him the highest compliment any player can get when I state that he's the closest to MJ as far as 'skills set'.
But that's all Kobe is= Jordan 'lite'
He has some of MJ's skills, but not as polished and at the same level of 'consistency'. If MJ is a 9.5 in a certain skill, Kobe is an 8 (depending on what we're talking about).
But where Kobe lacks the most (and this is significant) is in the IQ department.
Lawdy is he far behind in this department.
MJ is clearly a 10, Kobe is a 5.
And this takes away from all of the other aspects in his game. MJ wasn't perfect, but he knew how to maximize his strengths while not letting his opponents exploit his weaknesses. Kobe on the other hand is the opposite. There's a huge reason why his stats aren't as impressive as MJ's (although impressive on their own right), and that's because he has never come close to MJ's overall mastery of the game.
There's an interview with MJ where he states that physically, Wade, Bron and Kobe would beat him. But when it comes to the mental aspects, it's not even close.... and he's right.
Some cats here are too young or too dumb (sorry, but it's true) to understand this very important aspect. And that's what I believe takes Kobe notches down from even being equal to MJ, let alone better.[/QUOTE]
yet with all your posturing Kobe and MJ are similir players in similiar roles with similiar averages...Kobe as a starter from ages of 21 - 31 are 28.3PPG 6REB 5AST....nearly identical to MJ....Championship caliber are nearly Identical...
I mean marginal differences aside Kobe is playing in a tougher era....and doing the same things MJ did.....by tweaking MJ's style and adding his own flavor....
I still feel Kobe has alot of basketball left...and skillwise Kobe is 2nd to No one....No One.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I definately would take 96-98 MJ over Bryant. I firmly believe that jordan at this stage was a complete and unstopable basketball player. He obviously wasn't quite the athlete he was in the begining of his career, but he learned how to utilize the talents of the rest of his team. Which made him much more unguardable.
Kobe still hasn't evolved to this point. It seemes to me that he was going to do it in the beginning of the season when he played within the flow of the game. And the lakers were unstopable. But once talk began that pau gasol was the early favorite for mvp, it seemed kobe took it on himslef to reassert his role on the team and thus hurt the lakers. His immaturity in this respect is what hurts his case over jordan[/QUOTE]
What is this bullshit?:roll:
08-10 Kobe has averaged less shots a game then 96-98 Jordan. Also LA lost because they can't guard a chair on the perimeter and didn't close out on the shooters, Kobe Bryant's shot selection was the least of their problems this year.
[QUOTE=game3524]1. I agree that Bron was better then Bryant in 2010, my point in using him as an example was to point out the stupidity of taking 96-98 Jordan over 2008 Bryant duo to team success.
2. Bryant was a better defender in 2008 then Jordan was in 96-98, 2008 was one of Kobe's best defensive years, in fact his best year since the 3-peat days. Jordan still had the smarts, but Bryant was the better athlete at that point which gives him the edge.
3. Jordan averaged 22 shots per a game from 96-98, Bryant averaged 20 shots per a game. Kobe could have one the scoring title in 2008 on the same amount of shots MJ took from 96-98 if he wanted to, but he dialed it back to fit in more with the team.
Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question about it. But some of you need to get his dick out of your mouth.[/QUOTE]
Kobe has never been better than MJ defensively.... NEVER.
Shit... Wizards MJ is as good as 'prime' Kobe defensively.
Seriously, go back and watch games. MJ would use angles and position to cut off his opponent, box out, disrupt the offensive flow of his opponents, etc.etc. Sure he'd get beat from time to time, but so does/did Kobe, and yet Kobe still made mistakes on defense. MJ didn't make mistakes on defense at this point, if he got beat it was because he was slower, not because he read or played his opponent the wrong way. I still see Kobe playing bad defense usually selecting the wrong way to play a high screen, using the wrong angles to guard somebody, pouting instead of getting back on defense, gambling even tho he doesn't have the same athleticism etc.etc.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]yet with all your posturing Kobe and MJ are similir players in similiar roles with similiar averages...Kobe as a starter from ages of 21 - 31 are 28.3PPG 6REB 5AST....nearly identical to MJ....Championship caliber are nearly Identical...
I mean marginal differences aside Kobe is playing in a tougher era....and doing the same things MJ did.....by tweaking MJ's style and adding his own flavor....
I still feel Kobe has alot of basketball left...and skillwise Kobe is 2nd to No one....No One.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
[QUOTE=andgar923][B]Kobe has never been better than MJ defensively.... NEVER.
Shit... Wizards MJ is as good as 'prime' Kobe defensively. [/B]
Seriously, go back and watch games. MJ would use angles and position to cut off his opponent, box out, disrupt the offensive flow of his opponents, etc.etc. Sure he'd get beat from time to time, but so does/did Kobe, and yet Kobe still made mistakes on defense. MJ didn't make mistakes on defense at this point, if he got beat it was because he was slower, not because he read or played his opponent the wrong way. I still see Kobe playing bad defense usually selecting the wrong way to play a high screen, using the wrong angles to guard somebody, pouting instead of getting back on defense, gambling even tho he doesn't have the same athleticism etc.etc.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]yet with all your posturing Kobe and MJ are similir players in similiar roles with similiar averages...Kobe as a starter from ages of 21 - 31 are 28.3PPG 6REB 5AST....nearly identical to MJ....Championship caliber are nearly Identical...
I mean marginal differences aside Kobe is playing in a tougher era....and doing the same things MJ did.....by tweaking MJ's style and adding his own flavor....
I still feel Kobe has alot of basketball left...and skillwise Kobe is 2nd to No one....No One.[/QUOTE]
Why are you not including Kobe as a 20 year old and 32 year ol he started than too. That would bring him to 13 years the same number of years Jordan played with the Bulls. What are Jordans numbers with the Bulls and Kobes numbers from 20-32 compare those numbers.
[QUOTE=andgar923]You clearly don't understand basketball.
MJ isn't MJ because he was a freakish athlete. Yes, it was 'a' factor, but not THE factor. If Mj just had skills and athleticism he would've still been great, but not as great legendary as he became. MJ became legendary because he had a very high basketball IQ. He knew how to use his gifts to his advantage, he knew how to exploit his defenders, he knew how to control the game in every aspect etc.etc.
During a TNT tribute, Kenny and Magic alluded to this.
His drive, athleticism, skills, can all very well be crippled if he doesn't have the high IQ that he has. It's a very underrated aspect of one's game, but also very essential.
I can go on the court and still be very effective against younger competition even tho I'm older and haven't played the game in a decade. Because my iq on the court will allow me to do that, even tho my athleticism has faded into obscurity. Kobe till this day makes rookie mistakes, at times I just :facepalm at him.[/QUOTE]
No, I understand basketball. You guys just want to turn Jordan into some mythical figure. Both Bryant and Jordan have high b-ball IQ, the difference is Jordan was a much better athlete then Bryant, which allowed him to get higher percentage shots.
Kobe, at his absolute peak, was roughly 65%-75% as good as any version of Jordan from '84 to '98.
This is as silly as comparing Dirk to Bird.
[QUOTE=andgar923]Not really.[/QUOTE]
yes...I watched both players whole career....Kobe skillwise is 2nd to no one.
[QUOTE=andgar923][B]Kobe has never been better than MJ defensively.... NEVER.
Shit... Wizards MJ is as good as 'prime' Kobe defensively.
[/B]
Seriously, go back and watch games. MJ would use angles and position to cut off his opponent, box out, disrupt the offensive flow of his opponents, etc.etc. Sure he'd get beat from time to time, but so does/did Kobe, and yet Kobe still made mistakes on defense. MJ didn't make mistakes on defense at this point, if he got beat it was because he was slower, not because he read or played his opponent the wrong way. I still see Kobe playing bad defense usually selecting the wrong way to play a high screen, using the wrong angles to guard somebody, pouting instead of getting back on defense, gambling even tho he doesn't have the same athleticism etc.etc.[/QUOTE]
Nothin more needs to be said.:roll: