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In New Book, Shaq Explains How Kobe
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[QUOTE]Kobe stands up and goes face-to-face with me and says, "You always said you're my big brother, you'd do anything for me, and then this Colorado thing happens and you never even called me." I did call him. ... So here we are now, and we find out he really was hurt that we didn't stand behind him. That was something new. I didn't think he gave a rat's ass about us either way. "Well, I thought you'd publicly support me, at least," Kobe said. "You're supposed to be my friend."
Brian Shaw chimed in with "Kobe, why would you think that? Shaq had all these parties and you never showed up for any of them. We invited you to dinner on the road and you didn't come. Shaq invited you to his wedding and you weren't there. Then you got married and didn't invite any of us. And now you are in the middle of this problem, this sensitive situation, and now you want all of us to step up for you. We don't even know you." ...
Everyone was starting to calm down when I told Kobe, "If you ever say anything like what you said to Jim Gray ever again, [B]I will kill you[/B]."[/QUOTE]
hahaha KoME
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I never have been able to get a true grasp of Kobes personality. I never could figure out whether he himself just felt awkward or that people wouldnt understand him or if his isolation really was due to the fact that he just didnt give a shit about ppl lol.
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You should have quoted the entire Kobe part. It's pretty fascinating:
"Here's Shaq, on the Kobe feud:
So I'm on edge because I don't have I don't have a new deal, and Kobe is on edge because he might be going to jail, so we're taking it out on each other. Just before the start of the '03-'04 season the coach staff called us in and said, "No more public sparring or you'll get fined." ... Phil was tired of it. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were sick of it. ... So what happens? Immediately after that Kobe runs right out to Jim Gray and does this interview where he lets me have it. He said I was fat and out of shape. He said I was milking my toe injury for more time off, and the injury wasn't even that serious. (Yeah, right. It only ended my damn career.) He said I was "lobbying for a contract extension when we have two Hall of Famers playing pretty much for free." I'm sitting there watching this interview and I'm gonna explode. Hours earlier we had just promised our coach we'd stop. It was a truce broken. I let the guys know, "I'm going to kill him."
Kobe stands up and goes face-to-face with me and says, "You always said you're my big brother, you'd do anything for me, and then this Colorado thing happens and you never even called me." I did call him. ... So here we are now, and we find out he really was hurt that we didn't stand behind him. That was something new. I didn't think he gave a rat's ass about us either way. "Well, I thought you'd publicly support me, at least," Kobe said. "You're supposed to be my friend."
Brian Shaw chimed in with "Kobe, why would you think that? Shaq had all these parties and you never showed up for any of them. We invited you to dinner on the road and you didn't come. Shaq invited you to his wedding and you weren't there. Then you got married and didn't invite any of us. And now you are in the middle of this problem, this sensitive situation, and now you want all of us to step up for you. We don't even know you." ...
Everyone was starting to calm down when I told Kobe, "If you ever say anything like what you said to Jim Gray ever again, I will kill you."
Kobe shrugged and said, "Whatever."
[...]
From that day on, I was done dealing with Kobe. I was done dealing with Jim Gray, too. What goes around, comes around. When he got fired, he actually had the nerve to call me and ask me to help him out. What, did you lose Kobe's number?
On Young Kobe, braggart and tattletale:
He was so young and so immature in some ways, but I can tell you this: everything Kobe is doing now, he told me all the way back then he was going to do it. We were sitting on the bus once and he told me, "I'm going to be the number one scorer for the Lakers, I'm going to win five or six championships, and I'm going to be the best player in the game." I was like, "Okay, whatever." Then he looked me right in the eye and said, "I'm going to be the Will Smith of the NBA."
My first Lakers season we had a couple of rookies, and we hazed them pretty badly. We were dogging them out constantly. It was "Go get my bags, go get me something to eat." It was kind of a rite of passage in the NBA that a lot of teams do, but we probably went a little too far with it. One of the rookies
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I can see why people think Kobe is socially awkward.
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Pretty funny how Kobe is the "snitch" but Shaq is so hard up for money he couldn't wait to release a book. :oldlol:
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This gonna be good:bowdown:
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lol ratting out to jerry west. what a pu$$Y
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lol@ people calling Kobe a snitch.
Do you guys honestly think Michael Jordan would do all those stupid things because he was a rookie. Heck no!
Great players don't fetch food or bags.
It's also funny that these guys said all those things to Kobe but now they are kissing his ass.
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[QUOTE=Kobe]"I'm going to be the Will Smith of the NBA."[/QUOTE]
:no:
[IMG]http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/23/128666690788954794.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE]HESINGER: Your then teammate when you were with the Bulls, Scottie Pippen, was quoted as saying
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[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]"You didn't come to my parties" :cry:[/QUOTE]
You have to remember that scrubs want to be apart of greatness. They want to be acknowledged by great ones. Shaq and Shaw just wanted to be apart of Kobe.
Shaw wanted to be close to greatness and Shaq wanted to be close so he can learn that legendary Kobe work ethic.
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The transcript of Kobe Bryant's interview with ESPN's Jim Gray:
GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?
[B]BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.[/B]
GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?
[B]BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.[/B]
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Years later its still burning Shaq's soul.
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[QUOTE=JM720]The transcript of Kobe Bryant's interview with ESPN's Jim Gray:
GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?
[B]BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.[/B]
GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?
[B]BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.[/B]
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Years later its still burning Shaq's soul.[/QUOTE]
there is more truth to what Kobe is saying than what others are saying about him.
we don't know how kobe is socially and we don't know what goes on in his private life as explained by Shaq and others.
But what we do know is that we have witnessed all the things Kobe has said about Shaq.
There is truth.
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Will Smith of NBA... :oldlol:
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Kobe's more like 2Pac of the NBA....one of the greatest of all time and loved by many and hated by man....[IMG]http://5f.img.v4.skyrock.net/5f8/tupac-vivant/pics/1147864790_small.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=rodman91]Will Smith of NBA... :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBS6QGsH_4&ob=av2e[/url]
Yeah , probably not. :D
Also the ,,I am going to kill you,, part seems cool. :roll:
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I wonder if Shaq mentions when Kobe dry snitched on him?
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[QUOTE=9erEmpire]Kobe's more like 2Pac of the NBA....one of the greatest of all time and loved by many and hated by man....[IMG]http://5f.img.v4.skyrock.net/5f8/tupac-vivant/pics/1147864790_small.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
and soon to be killed by a fat guy
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lol both these guys seemed like douches. I wouldn't trust either of em.
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These guys just didn't like each other.
I had a friend back in the Day got invited on the Lakers team bus to get an autograph from Shaq (Kobe's rookie season). He said when they where on the bus Shaq and all the players where talking crap about Kobe (the rookie). Calling him a lil punk spoon fed kid etc. etc.
So my point is the relationship was just spoiled from the start.
Some guys just do not click well together. Does not mean they can't win titles and do all the great things they have did.
But at this point to pick a side between the two etc. is really pointless and is done to push somebodies agenda on either player.
It was BOTH of their faults you can say. But really...fault for what?
Winning three titles in a row? This duo did great things together and that has not been matched since. Closes one was...Kobe and Gasol.
So all the BS fighting etc. All that happened only proves one thing....you do not have to be the best of friends to work with each other and do great things.
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[QUOTE=SpecialQue]You should have quoted the entire Kobe part. It's pretty fascinating:
"Here's Shaq, on the Kobe feud:
So I'm on edge because I don't have I don't have a new deal, and Kobe is on edge because he might be going to jail, so we're taking it out on each other. Just before the start of the '03-'04 season the coach staff called us in and said, "No more public sparring or you'll get fined." ... Phil was tired of it. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were sick of it. ... So what happens? Immediately after that Kobe runs right out to Jim Gray and does this interview where he lets me have it. He said I was fat and out of shape. He said I was milking my toe injury for more time off, and the injury wasn't even that serious. (Yeah, right. It only ended my damn career.) He said I was "lobbying for a contract extension when we have two Hall of Famers playing pretty much for free." I'm sitting there watching this interview and I'm gonna explode. Hours earlier we had just promised our coach we'd stop. It was a truce broken. I let the guys know, "I'm going to kill him."
Kobe stands up and goes face-to-face with me and says, "You always said you're my big brother, you'd do anything for me, and then this Colorado thing happens and you never even called me." I did call him. ... So here we are now, and we find out he really was hurt that we didn't stand behind him. That was something new. I didn't think he gave a rat's ass about us either way. "Well, I thought you'd publicly support me, at least," Kobe said. "You're supposed to be my friend."
Brian Shaw chimed in with "Kobe, why would you think that? Shaq had all these parties and you never showed up for any of them. We invited you to dinner on the road and you didn't come. Shaq invited you to his wedding and you weren't there. Then you got married and didn't invite any of us. And now you are in the middle of this problem, this sensitive situation, and now you want all of us to step up for you. We don't even know you." ...
Everyone was starting to calm down when I told Kobe, "If you ever say anything like what you said to Jim Gray ever again, I will kill you."
Kobe shrugged and said, "Whatever."
[...]
From that day on, I was done dealing with Kobe. I was done dealing with Jim Gray, too. What goes around, comes around. When he got fired, he actually had the nerve to call me and ask me to help him out. What, did you lose Kobe's number?
On Young Kobe, braggart and tattletale:
He was so young and so immature in some ways, but I can tell you this: everything Kobe is doing now, he told me all the way back then he was going to do it. We were sitting on the bus once and he told me, "I'm going to be the number one scorer for the Lakers, I'm going to win five or six championships, and I'm going to be the best player in the game." I was like, "Okay, whatever." Then he looked me right in the eye and said, "I'm going to be the Will Smith of the NBA."
My first Lakers season we had a couple of rookies, and we hazed them pretty badly. We were dogging them out constantly. It was "Go get my bags, go get me something to eat." It was kind of a rite of passage in the NBA that a lot of teams do, but we probably went a little too far with it. One of the rookies
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Yeah I heard stories about Jordan and Kareem being a-holes as well.
It took Jordan time to warm up and Kareem is still disliked by many on the DL in the NBA.
Never heard stories like that with Bird and Magic though.
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we should rehash that thread with all those MJ quotes he said about his team.
It's an alpha male personality that all great players have. Shaq isn't an alpha at all.
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Have you guys read the investigation transcripts between Kobe and the detectives?
That was some funny shit :oldlol:
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I don't see how these guys (posters included) never take into account that Kobe was an 18 yr old kid coming straight outta high school in a League full of men (mid 20's to 30's) and also to a storied franchise like the Lakers that was full of tradition/ history.
I'm positive Kobe had a VERY DIFFERENT IMPRESSION of what "the NBA" was all about then he goes to a team where the starting SG (Eddie Jones) doesn't like him simply because he knows Kobe is there to replace him and Shaq (my dude) is trying to let the League and the team (Lakers) know that it's HIS team (and soon to be League) and they should bow down to him.
Not to mention Nick Van Exel was like "while y'all 2 goin' at it, on the low I'm the real big time player here but y'all don't recognize it" while Robert Horry quietly was like "I got 2 rings, I'm just here to play".
Way too many young ego's and that Lakers team and it was destined to fail.
Fast forward to the end of that era and the damage was too far gone, Kobe & Shaq were too far in it to truly reconcile until they matured more, unfortunately that would be too late.
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In B4 Lebron and his BFF's magically enter this thread :oldlol:
In any case, why do people justify Kobe's actions with Jordan's? I'm pretty sure a lot of people won while getting along with their teammates off the court, even while acting like complete d-bags to the other team.
This feels like 2006 all over again.
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[QUOTE=catch24]I can see why people think Kobe is socially awkward.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Kobe is socially awkward. I've seen him on Jimmy Kimmel and George Lopez. Dude is pretty sociable.
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[QUOTE=L8k3r5]I don't think Kobe is socially awkward. I've seen him on Jimmy Kimmel and George Lopez. Dude is pretty sociable.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone here imagine being on a basketball team and not inviting other players to your wedding?
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Not many people would stack up to Kobe's version of being dedicated so Shaq shouldn't take it too personal he's in some good company. Both played a role, just surprised Shaq still has the itch that needs to be scratched, just makes him look like a little b***h whose still mad somebody took his cookies. Kobe's moved on Shaq should too
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The Lakers with Kobe and Shaq and Phil Jackson has movie written all over it. :lol
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Kobe didnt invite any of his teammates to his wedding :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kobe didnt invite any of his teammates to his wedding :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
What a douche!
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who invites co-workers to their wedding anyways.
nobody likes their co-workers.
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[QUOTE=9erEmpire]who invites co-workers to their wedding anyways.
nobody likes their co-workers.[/QUOTE]
were talking about teammates
That was a big time dick move by Kobe
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[QUOTE=RRR3]The Lakers with Kobe and Shaq and Phil Jackson has movie written all over it. :lol[/QUOTE]
they need to make a 30 for 30 on it or something
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[QUOTE=L8k3r5]I don't think Kobe is socially awkward. I've seen him on Jimmy Kimmel and George Lopez. Dude is pretty sociable.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree. When he was on Kimmel he seemed like a really cool guy talking about his teammates (after the 2010 championship). Seems to be a lot of conflicting reports though. He may be friendly just with low social awareness. I know a few people like that where they don't mean anything wrong but end up making a douche move. But yeah, from that interview he seemed very sociable actually.
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The fued between Shaq and Kobe ... might be one of the worst cases in NBA history ... for the simple fact if they would of got along they could of possibly had 6 straight championships.
I am not picking sides , but I saw many a dumb plays on the court , when someone was standing open on the low block or when coaches were beyond their selves in regards to team unity.
It's history. who really cares :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Can anyone here imagine being on a basketball team and not inviting other players to your wedding?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the whole beef is just weird. While I can see Shaquille's pov (kobe snitching on him, dude being totally distant not going to any of his invites and/or social events, etc), he really needs to move on. They already 'squashed' this years ago..and now, here we are again, talking about the same crap (and a bit of revisionist history at that).
There's always two sides though (I encourage everyone to read the quotes, especially the bolded):
[quote]“What surprised me about Shaquille during our early days in Los Angeles was how frustrated he got,” said former Lakers GM Jerry West. “He was not fun to be around. The shortcomings of our team and his teammates made him angry because he knew he was going to be judged on how much we won.”
[B]How angry? Just months before Jackson arrived, O’Neal had slapped Bryant during a pickup game at the Laker practice facility.
“It would not be forgotten,” former Laker guard Derek Fisher said of the incident. When Jackson and his coaching staff began work in Los Angeles, they were caught off guard by O’Neal’s level of animosity toward Bryant. “There was a lot of hatred in his heart,” Tex Winter said of O’Neal[/B]. “he would speak his mind in our team meetings. He was saying really hateful things. Kobe just took it and kept going.[/quote]
[quote][B]We don’t think it’s any secret that Shaq can be extremely petty, especially when it comes to Kobe. That said, we’re sure Kobe deserved the slapping. Having witnessed the unfolding behind-the-scenes drama over five years, Lakers owner Jerry Buss [told Coach Phil Jackson] his services would no longer be needed.
Stunned, Jackson abruptly changed his approach with Bryant. Suddenly, the coach began trying to have a relationship with Bryant, Winter said. And Bryant responded in kind.[/B]
“But it was too late,” Winter said. Buss had made up his mind. Jackson had to go. And the owner had no desire to meet O’Neal’s demands for a lengthy extension on his $30 million plus a year contract. So the Lakers traded him to Miami (where O’Neal would later meekly agree to play for $20 million a season). As he was cleaning out his office, a jilted Jackson did his best to portray Bryant as the villain in the breakup of the team, and soon that perception became the reality, simply because so many people believed it. Jackson made sure of it, phoning reporters as he drove from Los Angeles to his summer home in Montana. He dialed up columnists and radio talk shows to offer his version of events. Sports columnists everywhere who had no idea why the Lakers had fallen apart simply began reporting as fact that Bryant had schemed to make it happen.[/quote]
[quote]Despite the blame game Jackson was playing so deftly, he would later admit the truth. Despite all his success in Los Angeles, he had failed in his handling of Bryant. And that was one of several factors in the breakup of a very successful team.
“in the final analysis, it’s the coach’s responsibility to manage the team in the proper manner and not have those things happen,” Winter said.
It was simply a huge mistake to not keep Bryant in the loop, Winter said. “I think Phil realizes that now.” We don’t think anyone has ever painted Phil Jackson as being totally innocent – the man makes a show of manipulating his players through the media often. This level of deception, though? Simply to cover his own ass? Jackson and Bryant finally had that first serious meeting at Laker offices in July. According to Winter, Bryant wasted no time in making his feelings known about certain things Jackson had done to him. It was first step in the two trying to re-establish some sort of trust.
Jackson had endured a similar meeting several years earlier. In 1991, Jackson had served as an anonymous source for Sam Smith’s explosive expose, The Jordan Rules, a book that infuriated both Bulls GM Jerry Krause and Jordan for its unflattering portrait of them.[/quote]
[quote][B]Seeing their anger, Jackson blamed the anonymous leak on his mentor and assistant coach, Johnny Bach, a sweet old guy and basketball lifer. Eventually, Krause, Jackson and the Bulls fired Bach for “leaking” the Jordan Rules info, although they never explained that. He had a heart attack in the weeks after his devastating release. In 1998, Jackson’s treachery became known, and sometime later Bach and Jackson had a meeting. Bach wouldn’t reveal what he said to Jackson in the meeting that day, although the elderly coach said he made it clear what he thought of Jackson’s lowdown ways[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.yaysports.com/nba/2005/09/shaq_slapped_kobe_but_good.html[/url]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Show-Inside-Spectacular-Angeles-Lakers/dp/B002ECEG5W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1320102028&sr=8-2[/url]
Some interesting stuff. Most of the excerpts are from the book, 'The Show' (published during the 2005-2006 season). A lot of testimonials from West, Buss and Tex Winter...people who don't have an agenda.
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[QUOTE=JM720]The transcript of Kobe Bryant's interview with ESPN's Jim Gray:
GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?
[B]BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.[/B]
GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?
[B]BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.[/B]
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Years later its still burning Shaq's soul.[/QUOTE]
lmfao where is this gif from