Derrick rose = shooting guard

Derrick Rose needs to move to shooting guard as soon as this pathetic lockout is over!

I think this for a couple of reasons...

1. It's incredibly hard to win a championship with a slashing point guard who is also your main scorer. In fact, it's so hard that no team in history has done it (A.I came closest in 01').

2. His skills are more suited to the 2 guard position. He is a good playmaker but not a great one and is always looking to attack the rim.

Although he would be a slightly undersized shooting guard, he has more than enough athletic ability to make up for it and he wouldn't be burdened with the task of running an offense.

Does anyone else agree with me?

So, who's the starting point guard then ?

Rose is a scoring point guard. That doesn't mean he should start playing shooting guard. Do you think Tony Parker should have been playing shooting guard all this time? What about Chauncey Billups?

It would work out great if he wasn't only 6 foot 3.

I would be more inclined to agree with he was at least 6 foot 5.

[QUOTE=9512]It would work out great if he wasn't only 6 foot 3.

I would be more inclined to agree with he was at least 6 foot 5.[/QUOTE]
Eric Gordon and Monta Ellis are 6'3.

^^

:( :facepalm my bad.

But I would still prefer Derrick at 6 foot 5...to play the 2.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Eric Gordon and Monta Ellis are 6'3.[/QUOTE]

Gordon is built like a truck, though.

rose just needs to learn how to pass better in traffic. westbrook = SG. if rose had more options than deng on offense, i'd believe this. westbrook is able to get away with a lot more.

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[QUOTE=oolalaa]Derrick Rose needs to move to shooting guard as soon as this pathetic lockout is over!

I think this for a couple of reasons...

1. It's incredibly hard to win a championship with a slashing point guard who is also your main scorer. In fact, it's so hard that no team in history has done it (A.I came closest in 01').

2. His skills are more suited to the 2 guard position. He is a good playmaker but not a great one and is always looking to attack the rim.

Although he would be a slightly undersized shooting guard, he has more than enough athletic ability to make up for it and he wouldn't be burdened with the task of running an offense.

Does anyone else agree with me?[/QUOTE]
I do NOT agree.

1. WRONG. Tony Parker and Zeke....also, Billups and maybe you could say Archibald.

2. WRONG AGAIN. Dude averages close to 8 assists a game. That is good for a point guard. But if you watch the Bulls you'd see we NEED him to score. It's not his fault, Boozer, Brewer, Korver, Noah and Deng need to step it up offensively.

He would be a VERY undersized shooting guard at 6'2", would take more punishment guarding bigger stronger players, and he just ins't a 2-guard, he's a scoring point that does what his team needs.

If when we get another scorer he will adjust his game accordingly.

But as a franchise and a team we ASKED Rose to shoot more threes and to takeover games. It's not exactly his style.

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]It

[QUOTE=blacknapalm]rose just needs to learn how to pass better in traffic. westbrook = SG. if rose had more options than deng on offense, i'd believe this. westbrook is able to get away with a lot more.[/QUOTE]


What are you talking about man you don't even watch Bulls games.

Rose is a good passer. All world? No, but few point guards are. He just needs to learn tendencies and nuances more--he's young.

At any rate he's one of the best finishers in the world....if you were his coach and told him to pass to lesser players when he's on a foray to the hoop you' be doing your team a disservice.

[QUOTE=Fiasco]Gordon is built like a truck, though.[/QUOTE]
Gordon is a bit taller than Derrick, he's only 6'2" at best.

i agree i have said this since day 1.....

there is no such thing as a scoring point guard........... there is only a point guard who can score well but always keeps his pointguard duties..... thats more like steve nash or cp3 or deron williams or mark price and so on....

a 25-30 ppg scorer from pointguard position who is not facilitating enough (derrick rose) has always been moved to SG despite the size.... monta ellis, allen iverson and soon... derrick rose... but rose is 6'3".. 1 inch less than Wade... he should be fine....

a pointguards duty is ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS to set his teammates up and make the correct decisions..... then you can score however much you like..... thats not how Derrick Rose plays...... he brings the ball up and often immediately starts driving or chucking a shot often ignoring the open man or setting up a play for a teammate and so on.......... that is NOT a pointguard.......... that is Monta Ellis, Allen Iverson......... that is Francis/Marbury....... that is DERRICK ROSE.... that is a pure undersized Shooting-Guard...

[QUOTE=Go Getter][B]Rose has no problem scoring against Lebron.
[/B]
The problem(s) was/were:

1. Thibbs stale offense.
2. Rose being worn down by having to do so much all year.
3. The Heat having time to game plan for #1 and them paying good TEAM defense (I can't take it away from them).[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

He averaged 10% in the 4th qtr. :facepalm

[QUOTE=D-Wade316]:roll: :roll: :roll:

He averaged 10% in the 4th qtr. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Was it a one-on-one game? does scoring only count in the fourth quarter of one game of one series?

He struggled in the playoffs against other teams too...dude was worn down.



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[QUOTE=pauk]i agree i have said this since day 1.....

there is no such thing as a scoring point guard........... there is only a point guard who can score well but always keeps his pointguard duties..... thats more like steve nash or cp3 or deron williams or mark price and so on....

a 25-30 ppg scorer from pointguard position who is not facilitating enough (derrick rose) has always been moved to SG despite the size.... monta ellis, allen iverson and soon... derrick rose... but rose is 6'3".. 1 inch less than Wade... he should be fine....

a pointguards duty is ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS to set his teammates up and make the correct decisions..... then you can score however much you like..... thats not how Derrick Rose plays...... he brings the ball up and often immediately starts driving or chucking a shot often ignoring the open man or setting up a play for a teammate and so on.......... that is NOT a pointguard.......... that is Monta Ellis, Allen Iverson......... that is Francis/Marbury....... that is DERRICK ROSE.... that is a pure undersized Shooting-Guard...[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

A point guard's job is to win.

Whatever it takes to win is what you do.

62 wins is something you can build on....not gaudy assist numbers.

You guys miss a lot of nuances to the game.

Derrick Rose runs one of the best give-and-go plays in the league with Joakim Noah. He plays off the ball well....he is content with hockey assists, he doesn't have to have to hand in every play.

That's a ball player for you...

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omg it looked so DIFFICULT for him to drive right past him:rolleyes:

Iverson played the shooting Guard role at 5'11( once he switched). I think Rose, at 6'2, would do just fine.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Rose has no problem scoring against Lebron.

The problem(s) was/were:

1. Thibbs stale offense.
2. Rose being worn down by having to do so much all year.
3. The Heat having time to game plan for #1 and them paying good TEAM defense (I can't take it away from them).[/QUOTE]
Don

[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]Iverson played the shooting Guard role at 5'11( once he switched). I think Rose, at 6'2, would do just fine.[/QUOTE]
And AI caused a mismatch problem on defense too they had scrub Eric Snow in the backcourt to guard 2's because that's about all he was good for.

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]Don

What we need is a good defensive guard with some shooting ability. Doesn't matter PG or SG.

Also we have to learn how to use Boozer on offense efficiently.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]It's not as simple as you make it Rose can drive around Lebron every single time which causes a shift in the defense...we just need better sets.

People take the fourth quarter of one series and not the 3 playoff intensity regular season games which doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
Well on the contrary Miami seemed to shift into another gear as playoffs came.
The same can be said about their regular season games against Boston and the way people said that Boston should win because of their regular season record with MIA(what was it 3-1?too lazy to look it up).
My point is that the Bulls need to perform more consistently against MIA and stop making Allen Iverson out of DRose.

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]Well on the contrary Miami seemed to shift into another gear as playoffs came.
The same can be said about their regular season games against Boston and the way people said that Boston should win because of their regular season record with MIA(what was it 3-1?too lazy to look it up).
My point is that the Bulls need to perform more consistently against MIA and stop making Allen Iverson out of DRose.[/QUOTE]

It was a poor series but they were the better team. I mean that's what it boiled down to. Dude won 62 games CARRYING us and integrated what, 7 new players?

That's a big adjustment for a PG....not to mention coaching.

Remember when Bron made it to the finals as a young player and got trounced by the veteran Spurs? That's what happened to Rose in a nutshell...with more experience he'll learn to do what all greats vets do which is be fresh for the playoffs.

Ya'll need to stop holding onto these antiquated "Hoosiers" basketball theories...

[QUOTE=Go Getter]It was a poor series but they were the better team. I mean that's what it boiled down to. Dude won 62 games CARRYING us and integrated what, 7 new players?

That's a big adjustment for a PG....not to mention coaching.

Remember when Bron made it to the finals as a young player and got trounced by the veteran Spurs? That's what happened to Rose in a nutshell...with more experience he'll learn to do what all greats vets do which is be fresh for the playoffs.

Ya'll need to stop holding onto these antiquated "Hoosiers" basketball theories...[/QUOTE]
Well he will certainly become more experienced as he goes through these deep playoff series.
He said he

Depends on how you define a point guard.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Depends on how you define a point guard.[/QUOTE]
The coach of the team defines that....cant think of any opposing arguments.

the bulls would be an undersized team if they move rose to sg. He would also have to guard bigger players.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]The coach of the team defines that....cant think of any opposing arguments.[/QUOTE]
Nothing more needs to be said we don't know more than Roses coaches if they say he is a pg than he is pg.

and its not as simple as a sg scores and pg passes this is not football every single player on the floor should be able score pass and do things without the ball thats how the best teams are built.

[QUOTE=Ikill]and its not as simple as a sg scores and pg passes this is not football every single player on the floor should be able score pass and do things without the ball thats how the best teams are built.[/QUOTE]

Then what's the point of having positions.....? Just because every play should be able to do all these things doesn't mean a center shouldn't be significantly better at rebounding than a guard. Just because football roles are more defined doesn't mean there's not a role that each position should fill in basketball.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]The coach of the team defines that....cant think of any opposing arguments.[/QUOTE]

This. And the media to some extent. Like the whole Tim Duncan thing :lol. Or how some people look at Jefferson as a center even though the only reason he's playing it is because of being on teams with undersized frontcourts.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]I do NOT agree.

1. WRONG. [B]Tony Parker and Zeke....also, Billups and maybe you could say Archibald.[/B]

2. WRONG AGAIN. Dude averages close to 8 assists a game. That is good for a point guard. But if you watch the Bulls you'd see we NEED him to score. It's not his fault, Boozer, Brewer, Korver, Noah and Deng need to step it up offensively.

He would be a VERY undersized shooting guard [B]at 6'2",[/B] would take more punishment guarding bigger stronger players, and he just ins't a 2-guard, he's a scoring point that does what his team needs.

[B]If when we get another scorer he will adjust his game accordingly.

But as a franchise and a team we ASKED Rose to shoot more threes and to takeover games. It's not exactly his style.[/B][/QUOTE]

- Tony parker was the spurs 2nd highest scorer in 07' and was clearly their second option.

- Isiah was barely their leading scorer. The pistons whole ethos on offense was to share the ball and have as many people as possible contribute in scoring.

- Billups & archibald? Seriously? Now you're really stretching.

- He's 6"3, 1 inch smaller than dwade.

- So do honestly believe that he only scored more because the bulls needed him to? By that logic, he will settle back into a playmaking/facilitating role as soon as the bulls have enough around him on offense right? WRONG! he has showed us that he is a 25+ point scorer, a bonafide stud who can and will carry the bulls offense for years to come.

Ultimately, i think its better to score that many points, and in the manner in which he scores those points, as a 2 guard rather than a point guard, that's all.

[QUOTE=oolalaa][B]- Tony parker was the spurs 2nd highest scorer in 07' and was clearly their second option.[/B]

[B]- Isiah was barely their leading scorer. The pistons whole ethos on offense was to share the ball and have as many people as possible contribute in scoring.[/B]

[B]- Billups & archibald? Seriously? Now you're really stretching.[/B]

- He's 6"3, 1 inch smaller than dwade.

- So do honestly believe that he only scored more because the bulls needed him to? By that logic, he will settle back into a playmaking role as soon as the bulls have enough around him on offense right? WRONG! he has showed us that he is a 25+ point scorer, a bonafide stud who can and will carry the bulls offense for years to come.

Ultimately, i think its better to score that many points, and in the manner in which he scores those points, [B]as a 2 guard rather than a point guard, that's all.[/B][/QUOTE]
1.) I watched the games and TP was the man that year. Better than Manu. Better than even Tim (as far as offense).

2.) Every team's ethos is share the ball and use everyone. I remember the Bulls used to try and get everyone shots in the first half. Luc Longley got a lot of easy dunks in the first quarter. But in crunch time you give it to the man. And in crunch time you knew Zeke was the man, the guy who could snap off on you. As for Chauncey he was the same way, "Mr. Big Shot." He was a shoot first PG, still is kinda, maybe balanced is a better term but he has never averaged a high number of assists and he isn't necessarily a creative passer.

3.) Rose is 6'2" brother. Trust and believe me not that NBA hype.

4.) There is no one in the league that could bring the ball up better than Rose that would be feasible to acquire.

Do you know how many easy points we get by just giving the ball to Rose and let him run past people?

Rose scores like a 2-guard a lot, look at his highlights, he is awesome at v-cutting, he passes the ball on the break a goodly number of times so he can fly ahead of the pack and finish for alleys and easy scores, and now he's even started to pull the trigger on spot up 3's.

Speaking of three's he didn't WANT to shoot them but the team ASKED him. He was perfectly fine NOT taking them and visibly uncomfortable with the shot for awhile.

We're just waiting for the right personnel and then Rose will blossom (damn what a horrible pun), just wait...he's only 23.

Positions are somewhat over-rated. Just because he's a scorer doesn't mean he shouldn't be a PG. I honestly think it matters on his team because if he was on a team with another good PG he'd be able to spend a lot of times covering SGs but his offensive game would be almost identical. If you watch Wade or Kobe play, they bring the ball up more than their PGs... it would be the same with Rose.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]It was a poor series but they were the better team. I mean that's what it boiled down to. D[B]ude won 62 games CARRYING us and integrated what, 7 new players?[/B]

That's a big adjustment for a PG....not to mention coaching.

Remember when Bron made it to the finals as a young player and got trounced by the veteran Spurs? That's what happened to Rose in a nutshell...with more experience he'll learn to do what all greats vets do which is be fresh for the playoffs.

Ya'll need to stop holding onto these antiquated "Hoosiers" basketball theories...[/QUOTE]

And thru the injuries. Leadership has it's taxation on energy as well.

Welcome back, G Get. Rose was spent, and mentally spent because he had to ad-lib a lot as well. Guarding Wade, not knowing how to pace himself deep into the playoffs, compensating for injured players all year, playing thru the injury, guys (Booze) totally busting up plays, defensive speed of Miami as a team, high number of close games throughout the playoffs, teams played him physically and he wouldn't always get the call... .

[QUOTE=Pointguard]And thru the injuries. Leadership has it's taxation on energy as well.

Welcome back, G Get. Rose was spent, and mentally spent because he had to ad-lib a lot as well. Guarding Wade, not knowing how to pace himself deep into the playoffs, compensating for injured players all year, playing thru the injury, guys (Booze) totally busting up plays, defensive speed of Miami as a team, high number of close games throughout the playoffs, teams played him physically and he wouldn't always get the call... .[/QUOTE]


People act like we don't realize it's not wise to rest your scoring load on an "NBA midget." Like we can't see it's harder and more taxing to score, especially at the rim, the shorter you are. That it's hard for scoring PGs to win it all...

But it is [I]possible[/I]....even more possible with a balance in scoring. And let's be real, Bogans and Brewer is not making any 2's stomach turn with anxiety.

Deng is a good scorer, just not a good improviser.

We really need(ed) Booz to step the **** up. We need to get another 2 in here pronto. Just let him be able to guard someone, hit an open shot, and handle a bit we will be a match for any team I think.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]This. And the media to some extent. Like the whole Tim Duncan thing :lol. Or how some people look at Jefferson as a center even though the only reason he's playing it is because of being on teams with undersized frontcourts.[/QUOTE]
The reason why he was used as a center is because the Wolves didn't have any other player they can confidently use as the starting center. When the Wolves got Ryan Hollins and Darko, Jefferson had his minutes split between the 4 and the 5 spots.

[QUOTE=oolalaa]Derrick Rose needs to move to shooting guard as soon as this pathetic lockout is over!

I think this for a couple of reasons...

1. It's incredibly hard to win a championship with a slashing point guard who is also your main scorer. In fact, it's so hard that no team in history has done it (A.I came closest in 01').

2. His skills are more suited to the 2 guard position. He is a good playmaker but not a great one and is always looking to attack the rim.

Although he would be a slightly undersized shooting guard, he has more than enough athletic ability to make up for it and he wouldn't be burdened with the task of running an offense.

Does anyone else agree with me?[/QUOTE]


I completely agree.. Anyone notice that tyreke evans is a sg now??.. That's where Derrick rose should be .. Why should he be the pg?..the best part to his game is scoring .. N no matter what .. No nba teams NEEDS a pg to take more than 30 fga n I seen Derrick do it alot like he was Kobe or something .. If Derrick rose Is a pure pg why shouldn't lebron be.. He's the guy running plays n making the tempo N was a pg his rookie year.. The nba position labels always been stupid to me.. Derrick is a sg .. Plan n simple