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What's to discuss? Did you even watch the game or did you just read the box score?
He wasn't looking to shoot early and since NY got a big lead he just never tried to score because it was never necessary. He still rebounded and had some great passes (while only getting 4 assists there were at least 4 great passes that lead to fouls).
Shit, he's killing my fantasy team.
stats don't matter. he was moving the ball and he played like he had teammates.
This is how he needs to play. He's an explosive scorer that needs to learn how to score within the rhythm of the offense. The Knicks can improve even more if he gets a better handle on how to use his scoring talent effectively.
He was doing other things. Finding other players, rebounding and shit, yea that's right, shit. He's on a major shooting slump. If we can play like this and win with him playing like this, anythings possible. Tyson + Amare combo is great.
Looking at the boxscore alone would lead a person to believe melo scoring less would mean a better chance of winning for the knicks. But the win has probably more to do with overall team defense, a more efficient bench production, Amare getting more involved with the offense and most importantly their opponent being the bobcats. I think those factors are more important than the discrepancy involving melo's lack of production and their manner of winning.
Having said that, i think melo should try to play the same way next game and see how it'll turn out.
[QUOTE=Draz]He was doing other things. Finding other players, rebounding and shit, yea that's right, shit. He's on a major shooting slump. [B]If we can play like this and win with him playing like this[/B], anythings possible. Tyson + Amare combo is great.[/QUOTE]
This is the last time this will ever happen.
LOLcats aren't on our schedule anymore.:lol
I cant believe Melo's now become self-conscious about his "shooting" due to the media pressure. He needs to look for his shot, he cant be worried about people calling him a "chucker" or "black hole". Hes our best scorer and we need him to score. Kobe's took the same approach and he doesnt give a ****. Melo needs to do the same.
Crapmelo stunk tonight :oldlol: See what happens when he shoots less, they play together as a team. Crapmelo is better of lying on the floor making snow angels :roll:
[QUOTE=vinsane01]Looking at the boxscore alone would lead a person to believe melo scoring less would mean a better chance of winning for the knicks. But the win has probably more to do with overall team defense, a more efficient bench production, Amare getting more involved with the offense and most importantly their opponent being the bobcats. I think those factors are more important than the discrepancy involving melo's lack of production and their manner of winning.
[B]Having said that, i think melo should try to play the same way next game and see how it'll turn out[/B].[/QUOTE]
Well we play Cleveland so that should be another easy win.
Just as long as he gets back to himself by the Heat game.
[QUOTE=kingBynum]Crapmelo stunk tonight :oldlol: See what happens when he shoots less, they play together as a team. Crapmelo is better of lying on the floor making snow angels :roll:[/QUOTE]
Terrible attempt at a nickname.
After beating one of the worst teams in the league Knicks fan believe Tyson Chandler has proved his worth :roll:
Amar'e has to be the first option offensively. The pick and roll (even in the limited caliber the guards can manage right now) with Amar'e is just too effective. You get him going to the basket and dunking or getting fouled, then he starts hitting his jumper. He wasn't forcing anything and he was playing within the flow of the offense. [I]And[/I] he was coexisting nicely with Tyson Chandler (who was monstrous). Melo-ball is an offense killer, plain and simple.
The Knicks desperately need a point guard.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Amar'e has to be the first option offensively. The pick and roll (even in the limited caliber the guards can manage right now) with Amar'e is just too effective. You get him going to the basket and dunking or getting fouled, then he starts hitting his jumper. He wasn't forcing anything and he was playing within the flow of the offense. [I]And[/I] he was coexisting nicely with Tyson Chandler (who was monstrous). Melo-ball is an offense killer, plain and simple.
The Knicks desperately need a point guard.[/QUOTE]
Glad you removed that trade.
I was ready to reach through the screen and slap you.:lol
[QUOTE=Rowe]This is the last time this will ever happen.
LOLcats aren't on our schedule anymore.:lol
I cant believe Melo's now become self-conscious about his "shooting" due to the media pressure. He needs to look for his shot, he cant be worried about people calling him a "chucker" or "black hole". Hes our best scorer and we need him to score. Kobe's took the same approach and he doesnt give a ****. Melo needs to do the same.[/QUOTE]
He abolutely does not. Shot-clock-eating-isolation-chucking is never a good idea. You sound like someone who would rather have Melo put up big scoring numbers than have the Knicks win games.
[QUOTE=Rowe]Glad you removed that trade.
I was ready to reach through the screen and slap you.:lol[/QUOTE]
Thinking about it I wasn't sure if Morris was a SF or PF. He's, like, 6'8", I think. I think he's a PF, but he can shoot the three. With Nash getting him open looks.
Melo for D-Will and change would make the Knicks a better team.
Always thought that Melo should be more of a decoy to Chandler & Stat. Similar to the role Lebron takes in Miami. Because there is only one Kobe Bryant. If Carmelo tries to be Kobe everynight he wont win a game.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Thinking about it I wasn't sure if Morris was a SF or PF. He's, like, 6'8", I think. I think he's a PF, but he can shoot the three. With Nash getting him open looks.
Melo for D-Will and change would make the Knicks a better team.[/QUOTE]
Markeiff is a 6'10 PF.
His twin brother Marcus is the one who wants to be a SF in the mold, ironically, of Carmelo Anthony. (srs)
& I would never do a Melo for D-Will deal unless we had an answer at SG or SF who can be relied upon.
Much rather live with Baron at PG and Melo at SF than D-Will at PG and Bill Walker at SF.
[QUOTE=Rowe]Markeiff is a 6'10 PF.
His twin brother Marcus is the one who wants to be a SF in the mold, ironically, of Carmelo Anthony. (srs)[/quote]
Ah.
[quote]& I would never do a Melo for D-Will deal unless we had an answer at SG or SF who can be relied upon.
Much rather live with Baron at PG and Melo at SF than D-Will at PG and Bill Walker at SF.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I could see us playing Shumpert at the two and sliding Fields over to the three. With D-Will running the pick and roll, those two would get a lot of wide open shots.
An elite PG like D-Will or Nash makes everyone on the team better. Melo hasn't demonstrated the ability to make anyone better. In fact, so far it's been just the opposite.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]He abolutely does not. Shot-clock-eating-isolation-chucking is never a good idea. [B]You sound like someone who would rather have Melo put up big scoring numbers than have the Knicks win games[/B].[/QUOTE]
We're not facing a terrible team like the LOLcats every night and you can't expect that he can play an entire game without scoring and win the game.
What the **** do you expect Melo to do? Score 15 points and get 8 Assists? You're the ****ing dumbass who thinks we need to run our offense through Amare via the Pick & Roll because its "too effective". Really? When was this? It certainly wasn't in New York. We can try to do that all game against Miami or any other team not owned by Michael Jordan, and its still going to come down to Melo to win us the game by carrying the team on his back.
You're nonsense hate for him is annoying considering you pull the same bullshit in every thread. We understand that he isn't a Point Forward, he has mediocre court vision, and our spacing is so terrible that everybody ends up in an isolation situation. We understand our ball movement will be better when Baron can handle the ball and Melo can get it back out to him to find an open shooter instead of Melo taking a bad shot. Placing all the blame on Melo for our losses is ridiculous, but thats your job to be an ignorant dumbass who suggests a Melo trade at every opportunity.
We're not moving Melo for Steve Nash & Markeiff Morris.
We're not moving Melo for Deron Williams & "change".
We're not benching Melo.
We're not using the amnesty clause on Melo.
Grow the **** up.
Melo fields for Dwill + Marshon Brooks id do that.
Uh oh! Melo about to get the Kobe treatment :lol
[QUOTE=Rowe]We're not facing a terrible team like the LOLcats every night and you can't expect that he can play an entire game without scoring and win the game.
What the **** do you expect Melo to do? Score 15 points and get 8 Assists? You're the ****ing dumbass who thinks we need to run our offense through Amare via the Pick & Roll because its "too effective". Really? When was this? It certainly wasn't in New York. We can try to do that all game against Miami or any other team not owned by Michael Jordan, and its still going to come down to Melo to win us the game by carrying the team on his back.
You're nonsense hate for him is annoying considering you pull the same bullshit in every thread. We understand that he isn't a Point Forward, he has mediocre court vision, and our spacing is so terrible that everybody ends up in an isolation situation. We understand our ball movement will be better when Baron can handle the ball and Melo can get it back out to him to find an open shooter instead of Melo taking a bad shot. Placing all the blame on Melo for our losses is ridiculous, but thats your job to be an ignorant dumbass who suggests a Melo trade at every opportunity.
We're not moving Melo for Steve Nash & Markeiff Morris.
We're not moving Melo for Deron Williams & "change".
We're not benching Melo.
We're not using the amnesty clause on Melo.
Grow the **** up.[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE=Rekindled]Melo fields for Dwill + Marshon Brooks id do that.[/QUOTE]
Not a chance you guys get Brooks, if a deal happens :no:
Amare should be the 1st scoring option for the Knicks. Melo needs to play the role of Prime Scottie Pippen, and 1997-2002 Kobe Bryant.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]
I disagree. I could see us playing Shumpert at the two and sliding Fields over to the three. With D-Will running the pick and roll, those two would get a lot of wide open shots.[/quote]
Which means absolutely nothing if we dont have a closer. Shumpert & Fields cant be relied on each night to split the load at the SG position on a team that only needs them to do 2 thing: Shoot the 3 & Defense. Both of their shots are off and Iman has no conscious with his shot selection.
We essentially become the 2010 Utah Jazz minus any defensive impact.
We certainly cant be compared to any of those Phoenix teams under D'Antoni if thats what you're trying to hint at.:oldlol:
[quote]
An elite PG like D-Will or Nash makes everyone on the team better. Melo hasn't demonstrated the ability to make anyone better. In fact, so far it's been just the opposite.[/QUOTE]
Melo has demonstrated the ability to carry a team throughout an entire game & season. Even if you added Deron or Nash to this team as it stands right now, we'll still rely heavily on Melo stepping up in order to win games considering there is absolutely [B]nobody[/B] else on this team that is productive on offense.
Are Deron/Nash & Amare supposed to contribute for 100 points combined?
Its not Melo's fault that Amare is a 1 trick pony who is absolutely worthless unless hes on a team built around feeding him the ball. He's making $20 Million and he cant do anything on the fly, such as getting the ball and creating his own shot. He stands around and looks stupid simply because he has the basketball IQ of a Sweedish Fish.
Yet, we need to add a PG specfically so we can make him our #1 option and run plays everytime down the court so he can contribute something?
& Of all people we need to move our best player for a 37 year old Steve Nash to do it? How about No.:violin:
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Amare should be the 1st scoring option for the Knicks. Melo needs to play the role of Prime Scottie Pippen, and 1997-2002 Kobe Bryant.[/QUOTE]
Amare cant be a Jordan nor Shaq type of player.
At no point should Amare be a #1 scoring option for any team thinking about the Playoffs.
His offensive game relies [B]entirely[/B] on a PG to get him the ball off of Picks. What happened to his post game? When did he fall in love with 18 footers? Why hasn't he learned how to box out and rebound? At least hes shown a little more effort on defense.
If Amare were a #1 option, in the end you're still stuck trying to get him involved on every offensive possession. You'll win some games, but you'll lose just as many when even that isn't good enough simply because you need someone/something else to put you over the top. Thats specifically why we made the Melo deal, he's supposed to put us over the top but Amare still has to play his part to get it done. So far he hasn't done a damn thing.
Any legit #1 option in this league isn't as entirely dependent on another player as Amare is. He's struggling right now to even be a #2 option.
Melo doesn't need to change his game, its Amare who needs to bring something to the table instead of watching Melo carry the team.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]:lol[/QUOTE]
Im mad.
[QUOTE=Rowe]Im mad.[/QUOTE]
Straight up mad, lol but understandable, u are passionate about your team. Hope the Knicks work this thing out before panic set in and somebody gets traded to Orlando.
*brussard sitting in his house in his wifebeater n shorts chatting to SAS*
CHRIS: "hey stephen, im going to tweet *chuckle chuckle* knicks should offer melo,davis and shumpert *chuckle chuckle* for dwill , roflmao"
SAS: HA HA WHHATTT! i already got them dumping stat and ty for howard. i set the base standard, so knicks need to include more to sweeten the deal.
CHRIS:"also, heat 'allegedly' inquire about howard" *chuckle chuckle*
"Kevin Lov signs for 65..." im just picking this out of my ass
That just shows how good the Knicks can be if everyone is on the same page.
If Melo had his usual 20+ tonight Knicks might've won by like 40+.
Knicks lose by little to their opponents just because STAT and Melo contribute like 30-35 combined on some nights. Now, if they just have like 10 more points combined on those losses they wouldn't have been losses.
[QUOTE=Scoooter]Ah.
[B]I disagree. I could see us playing Shumpert at the two and sliding Fields over to the three. With D-Will running the pick and roll, those two would get a lot of wide open shots.[/B]
An elite PG like D-Will or Nash makes everyone on the team better. Melo hasn't demonstrated the ability to make anyone better. In fact, so far it's been just the opposite.[/QUOTE]
This. I was actually just telling my boy this today, that the Knicks would be infinitely better with a lineup of
Chandler
Amare
Fields
Shumpert
D-Will
than presently constructed. You sure up your bench with some shooters, tell Fields his new first, middle, last, and nick name is defense, and you have yourself a title contender on the floor, not just on paper.
[QUOTE=iDunk]That just shows how good the Knicks can be if everyone is on the same page.
If Melo had his usual 20+ tonight Knicks might've won by like 40+.
Knicks lose by little to their opponents just because STAT and Melo contribute like 30-35 combined on some nights. Now, if they just have like 10 more points combined on those losses they wouldn't have been losses.[/QUOTE]
Lol any team in the NBA can be that good on certain nights... You have absolutely no way of knowing if Carmelo had scored his usual 20+ that you would have even won the freaking game. He shot 7 times tonight. You really think it would be that way if he got his 20+? ....Ummmm no....
Carmelo is now shooting 39% this season... Certified chucker as a New York Knick. Then the 1 night they dominate Melo shoots 7 times.
But okay. That's almost worse than the Baron Davis argument from Knicks fans.
[QUOTE=iDunk]That just shows how good the Knicks can be if everyone is on the same page.
If Melo had his usual 20+ tonight Knicks might've won by like 40+.
Knicks lose by little to their opponents just because STAT and Melo contribute like 30-35 combined on some nights. Now, if they just have like 10 more points combined on those losses they wouldn't have been losses.[/QUOTE]
No. They straight suck. Anyone can blow up against the Cats.
[QUOTE=Rowe]Which means absolutely nothing if we dont have a closer. Shumpert & Fields cant be relied on each night to split the load at the SG position on a team that only needs them to do 2 thing: Shoot the 3 & Defense. Both of their shots are off and Iman has no conscious with his shot selection.[/quote]
Which is why we need to get the ball out of Shump's hands. And not into Melo's, cause niether of them are good decision makers.
[quote]We essentially become the 2010 Utah Jazz minus any defensive impact.[/quote]
Shump and Fields are both good defenders, and if we had D-Will (or Nash) running point, they could save energy by not thinking. Shumpert, Fields, and Chandler playing D in the same line-up; we'd be fine. **** out of here with that "Jazz without D crap". It's not like Melo is a young Ron Artest.
[quote]We certainly cant be compared to any of those Phoenix teams under D'Antoni if thats what you're trying to hint at.:oldlol:[/quote]
So we could have a great point guard (maybe Nash himself) running a pick-and-roll heavy offense with Amar'e Stoudemire on a Mike D'Antoni coached team, but there wouldn't be any comparisons to the Phoenix Suns. You obviously live in a very special reality. :roll:
[quote]Melo has demonstrated the ability to carry a team throughout an entire game & season. Even if you added Deron or Nash to this team as it stands right now, we'll still rely heavily on Melo stepping up in order to win games considering there is absolutely [B]nobody[/B] else on this team that is productive on offense.[/quote]
Yeah, Melo can carry a team to the first round and lose 6 years in a row before they add a PG who's biggest job is making sure Melo[I] isn't [/I]the leader.
Nobody is productive on offense because the ball movement is crap because we have three pointguards with half a brain between them and Melo is a black hole. If you added D-Will or Nash, guys like Fields, Shumpert and Chandler would all have an easier time scoring points. :hammerhead:
[quote]Are Deron/Nash & Amare supposed to contribute for 100 points combined?[/quote]
Melo and Amar'e [I]are[/I]? What are you even talking about? The only argument you have is that we'd lose the "clutch" element that Melo birngs to last second shots. But you can't even make that coherently; I have to do it for you.
[quote]Its not Melo's fault that Amare is a 1 trick pony who is absolutely worthless unless hes on a team built around feeding him the ball. He's making $20 Million and he cant do anything on the fly, such as getting the ball and creating his own shot. He stands around and looks stupid simply because he has the basketball IQ of a Sweedish Fish.[/quote]
Amar'e sucks because he can't score unless his teammates give him the ball. Wow, what a revelation. Players need the ball to score. You should be a coach or something.
[quote]Yet, we need to add a PG specfically so we can make him our #1 option and run plays everytime down the court so he can contribute something?[/quote]
You're right, we should just let Melo bring the ball up court himself and set up an Iso for 23 seconds on every possession. Because that's worked out great so far. Iso's win championships. :roll: :roll:
It's simple: Amar'e came to the Knicks, and they got better. Melo came to the Knicks, and they got worse.
[quote]& Of all people we need to move our best player for a 37 year old Steve Nash to do it? How about No.:violin:[/QUOTE]
D-Will's much younger. :cheers:
[QUOTE=Rowe]This is the last time this will ever happen.
LOLcats aren't on our schedule anymore.:lol
I cant believe Melo's now become self-conscious about his "shooting" due to the media pressure. He needs to look for his shot, he cant be worried about people calling him a "chucker" or "black hole". Hes our best scorer and we need him to score. Kobe's took the same approach and he doesnt give a ****. Melo needs to do the same.[/QUOTE]
Actually, we have TNT game against the Bobcats in April...
[QUOTE=MeLO MvP 15]What's to discuss? Did you even watch the game or did you just read the box score?
He wasn't looking to shoot early and since NY got a big lead he just never tried to score because it was never necessary. He still rebounded and had some great passes (while only getting 4 assists there were at least 4 great passes that lead to fouls).[/QUOTE]
Yea, he meant to do it guys! sheesh!
Yall neegs are bugginnn.
Can't wait for them to **** up your teams.
[QUOTE=Rowe]This is the last time this will ever happen.
LOLcats aren't on our schedule anymore.:lol
I cant believe Melo's now become self-conscious about his "shooting" due to the media pressure. He needs to look for his shot, he cant be worried about people calling him a "chucker" or "black hole". Hes our best scorer and we need him to score. Kobe's took the same approach and he doesnt give a ****. Melo needs to do the same.[/QUOTE]
The "LOLcats" beat this particular playoff caliber team at home buddy.