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Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
When Griffin does his 'jump from far' wind-up dunks, he almost always sends his off arm forearm out in a protective swiping motion.
This should easily be called as a clear out offensive foul every time, but because of the NBA-star-make-money corruption stuff, the refs never call it.
Best example yet is the dunk on Gasol (and I hate Lakers so trust me this is objective), he sends a forearm shudder straight into Gasol's neck, and then also stares him down after (again, should be an automatic Tech).
Furthermore to the offensive foul and T, if that forearm to head would be considered to be purposeful, it should be an automatic suspension as well for purposeful contact to the head.
I don't dislike Griffin, I dislike the NBA's ridiculous favoring and protecting of its main money-makers, and Griffin needs to realize he's cheating to get those dunks in and to town down the stupid cockeyness, you had to clear out to get almost all those dunks, moron.
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
[QUOTE=Grey Dawn]When Griffin does his 'jump from far' wind-up dunks, he almost always sends his off arm forearm out in a protective swiping motion.
This should easily be called as a clear out offensive foul every time, but because of the NBA-star-make-money corruption stuff, the refs never call it.
Best example yet is the dunk on Gasol (and I hate Lakers so trust me this is objective), he sends a forearm shudder straight into Gasol's neck, and then also stares him down after (again, should be an automatic Tech).
Furthermore to the offensive foul and T, if that forearm to head would be considered to be purposeful, it should be an automatic suspension as well for purposeful contact to the head.
I don't dislike Griffin, I dislike the NBA's ridiculous favoring and protecting of its main money-makers, and Griffin needs to realize he's cheating to get those dunks in and to town down the stupid cockeyness, you had to clear out to get almost all those dunks, moron.[/QUOTE]
inb4 clippersfan
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
I agree on the Gasol dunk. But just out of the sake of this thread, which other dunks vary into an offensive foul or technical situation?
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[QUOTE=Batz]I agree on the Gasol dunk. But just out of the sake of this thread, which other dunks vary into an offensive foul or technical situation?[/QUOTE]
Generally his 'not dunk' dunks where he throws the ball in, he uses his off arm in all of those to clear out/push up off the defender. While not as bad as a shot to the head, these are still offensive clear outs (you know these dunks, Mosgov, Perkins, etc etc).
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
well if were going to get this petty....can the lakers give the 76ers the 2001 championship for Shaqs continuous blatant offensive fouls?
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]well if were going to get this petty....can the lakers give the 76ers the 2001 championship for Shaqs continuous blatant offensive fouls?[/QUOTE]
THIS.:roll:
Shaq got bludgeoned Mutombo's face each and every game.
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]well if were going to get this petty....can the lakers give the 76ers the 2001 championship for Shaqs continuous blatant offensive fouls?[/QUOTE]
I think guys got a point though. Backing down somebody compared to pushing someone off are pretty different. Griffin does intentionally push off.
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
people only dissect your dunks when they get their heads yammed on....its just too easy to know the motivations behind these threads...just admit your butthurt blake dunks on everybody and keep it moving....
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]people only dissect your dunks when they get their heads yammed on....its just too easy to know the motivations behind these threads...just admit your butthurt blake dunks on everybody and keep it moving....[/QUOTE]
How is the guy butthurt? He's defending blake at the same time? You're drawing conclusions, which is seemingly more butthurt.
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]How is the guy butthurt? He's defending blake at the same time? You're drawing conclusions, which is seemingly more butthurt.[/QUOTE]
the point is people act like blake is the only one that commits offensive fouls on highlight dunks, or other big plays...you see no threads about anyone else....but when blake does it, everybody has to have a conference call about it? its just annoying....like Kobe Bryant said, its a legitimate dunk, lets move on....its pretty much nothing to talk about.
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honestly i notice this too its like impossible to challenge his shot because he is leading with his off hand pushing back the defender so they cant close the gap in the air. just watch the ibaka dunk from last night
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[IMG]http://sportsinvasion.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/756-Opu67.St_.551.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://blake-griffin.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Blake-Clippers-Dunk.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://lakeshowlife.com/files/2012/04/6160642.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0411/dm_120411_Dunk_of_the_night.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nbadunks.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Blake-Griffin-Dunk-on-Kris-Humphries.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://yfrog.com/oescslj:iphone[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]the point is people act like blake is the only one that commits offensive fouls on highlight dunks, or other big plays...you see no threads about anyone else....but when blake does it, everybody has to have a conference call about it? its just annoying....like Kobe Bryant said, its a legitimate dunk, lets move on....its pretty much nothing to talk about.[/QUOTE]
But he is the best example in this case because it's the most blatantly obvious, just like you specifically pointed out Shaq for his clearouts, or how people point out Iverson for carrying. He's not saying he hates the player :confusedshrug: He, just like my other examples, happens to be the best examples.
You pointed out Shaq for clearouts, can we assume you hate Shaq and he's getting unfairly treated?
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phong:bowdown:
did he really slap congo cash in the face???? the audacity of him to do that
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[QUOTE=Phong][IMG]http://sportsinvasion.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/756-Opu67.St_.551.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://blake-griffin.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Blake-Clippers-Dunk.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://lakeshowlife.com/files/2012/04/6160642.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0411/dm_120411_Dunk_of_the_night.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
thank you phong :) was too lazy to look for picts
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[QUOTE=DaHeezy]But he is the best example in this case because it's the most blatantly obvious, just like you specifically pointed out Shaq for his clearouts, or how people point out Iverson for carrying. He's not saying he hates the player :confusedshrug: He, just like my other examples, happens to be the best examples.
You pointed out Shaq for clearouts, can we assume you hate Shaq and he's getting unfairly treated?[/QUOTE]
its only blatantly obvious because hes embarrassing people while doing it, that's why its so highlighted....I fail to accept that its only blake griffin who "Blatantly obviously" fouls someone on a highlight dunk....its just the fact that people are salty about him for some reason...that its dissected like a science.
And then what is the point of bringing it up then? if you don't hate the player? why does it matter? if everyone does it? Its just baiting the people with agendas to continue the bias against griffins dunks. When it happens in every other highlight with different players. Just appreciate a great athletic play and move on. No need for threads about it.
Im not really even talking about OP, im talking about the media and other message boards bringing up this new phenom of the "offensive foul on posters"
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]its only blatantly obvious because hes embarrassing people while doing it, that's why its so highlighted....I fail to accept that its only blake griffin who "Blatantly obviously" fouls someone on a highlight dunk....its just the fact that people are salty about him for some reason...that its dissected like a science.
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But he's not saying Blake is the only one, he's using blake as the prime example of that he doesn't like how the NBA protects their cash cows. Again, you're drawing conclusoins
[QUOTE]And then what is the point of bringing it up then? if you don't hate the player? why does it matter? if everyone does it? Its just baiting the people with agendas to continue the bias against griffins dunks. When it happens in every other highlight with different players. Just appreciate a great athletic play and move on. No need for threads about it.[/QUOTE]
I don't find OP baiting or having an agenda at all. No offense but it's guys like you who create the agenda by being over irrational in your asesment. He clearly said he has nothing against the guy, You've just selected not to acknowledge that. Not trying to pick on you though by any means though, but you're just defending Blake and not seeing his point.
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Blake has golden boy status. He can do whatever he wants. LeBron approves.
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:roll:
Blake Griffin murders his defenders and the refs allow it, and starts crying for all the "HE BREATHED ON ME!" fouls and the refs allow it.
Most pampered golden boy in NBA history
:roll:
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
most players stick out their off-hand when they go up for a dunk, its a natural motion when you're dunking... and when there's a little contact on the off-hand it doesn't automatically mean it's a foul... has to actually be a clear-out where the dunker pushes
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rbhHI.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mveic.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yXyry.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sipJ1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NS7Y8.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]most players stick out their off-hand when they go up for a dunk, its a natural motion when you're dunking... and when there's a little contact on the off-hand it doesn't automatically mean it's a foul... has to actually be a clear-out where the dunker pushes
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rbhHI.jpg[/IMG]
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Look at that image, Kobe isnt trying to hold Emeka's blocking hand back like Griffin does so often.
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[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]most players stick out their off-hand when they go up for a dunk, its a natural motion when you're dunking... and when there's a little contact on the off-hand it doesn't automatically mean it's a foul... has to actually be a clear-out where the dunker pushes
[/QUOTE]And none of those pics shows the attacking player pushing off the blocking hand of the defender.
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yeah there's some noticeable differences than the above pics and Griffins. look at that Pippen-Ewing dunk, it's almost body to body and his arm isn't impeding the defender. On some of Griffin's dunks, his off arm is like the definition of breaking the rule IMO. he should be called for it
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
[QUOTE=BGriffin's Dad]most players stick out their off-hand when they go up for a dunk, its a natural motion when you're dunking... and when there's a little contact on the off-hand it doesn't automatically mean it's a foul... has to actually be a clear-out where the dunker pushes [/QUOTE]
Thanks for pointing out how blatant Griffin's offensive fouls are. :applause:
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]the point is people act like blake is the only one that commits offensive fouls on highlight dunks, or other big plays...you see no threads about anyone else....but when blake does it, everybody has to have a conference call about it? its just annoying....like Kobe Bryant said, its a legitimate dunk, lets move on....its pretty much nothing to talk about.[/QUOTE]
No butthurtness from me, in response those who say this are obviously an over-defensive homer for responding as such.
And Griffin is far and away the best example of constantly clearing out on dunks.
And my point is that the NBA reffing system purposely doesn't call any of these on Blake because he is one of their top 3 posterboys right now. So thus he deserves extra focus and scrutiny because he is purposely being overlooked for these blatant fouls. And blatant fouls aren't petty, they are blatant fouls.
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
[QUOTE=Phong][IMG]http://sportsinvasion.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/756-Opu67.St_.551.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://blake-griffin.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Blake-Clippers-Dunk.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://lakeshowlife.com/files/2012/04/6160642.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0411/dm_120411_Dunk_of_the_night.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nbadunks.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Blake-Griffin-Dunk-on-Kris-Humphries.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://yfrog.com/oescslj:iphone[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Thank you, end thread, anyone who denies the obvious truth of my statements as blatantly shown by every one of these pics is either a homer or retarded.
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[QUOTE=Thechosen1]its only blatantly obvious because hes embarrassing people while doing it, that's why its so highlighted....[/QUOTE]
Yeah but he's only acheiving those embarassing plays by using the massive clear out arm to clear his space. If he's called for offensive fouls for all those like he should be there are no embarrassments, just an extremely athletic forward with major offensive fouling problem.
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
Blake do tend to use his other arm to push his defender away instead of protect himself, intentionally or not. Still, Blake is still Stern's dear boy so unless it is too obvious he will never be called for any offensive fouls.
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[QUOTE=kaiteng]Blake do tend to use his other arm to push his defender away instead of protect himself, intentionally or not. Still, Blake is still Stern's dear boy so unless it is too obvious he will never be called for any offensive fouls.[/QUOTE]
But it IS obvious.
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[QUOTE=kaiteng]Blake is still Stern's dear boy so unless it is too obvious he will never be called for any offensive fouls.[/QUOTE]It is already so obvious to anybody who has eyes.
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Wow 3rd page and clippersfan hasn't gone in this thread and ranted.
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Um find me a dunk where the guy isnt sticking his arm on the defender while doing a one hand dunk. Its a natural reflex to protect their own self and helps with momentum. You guys(Laker/kobe homers) need to find better shit to complain about.
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[quote=DropStep]Um find me a dunk where the guy isnt sticking his arm on the defender while doing a one hand dunk. Its a natural reflex to protect their own self and helps with momentum. You guys(Laker/kobe homers) need to find better shit to complain about.[/quote]Like others have said it is one thing to put out your arm in anticipation of contact it is another to do that and make contact with the defenders arms on their attempt to block the shot
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[QUOTE=DropStep][B]Um find me a dunk where the guy isnt sticking his arm on the defender while doing a one hand dunk.[/B] Its a natural reflex to protect their own self and helps with momentum. You guys(Laker/kobe homers) need to find better shit to complain about.[/QUOTE][IMG]http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/2095-2/kobe-dunks-over-tim-duncan-full_getty-71796446ng017_spurs_lakers_8_20_46_pm.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://sportschump.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/_lebron_dunk1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3YNF4DPI1og/T4EoVUBWZTI/AAAAAAAAPOM/Dzc0OcJ7M5U/s1600/Kevin%2BDurant%2BDunks%2BOn%2BRoy%2BHibbert.jpeg[/IMG] [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_42w5-R0zz2g/S1qXBZFGVTI/AAAAAAAAKqw/gxxoH4yxDIM/s400/Andre%2BIguodala%2BDunks%2BOn%2BErick%2BDampier%2B3.jpg[/IMG]
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
Not Vince too!
[IMG]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s191/dee1515/carter_over_mutombo1.jpg[/IMG]
To be completely up front and honest though, there is a distinct difference between one-hand dunks jumping off one foot, one-hand dunks off two-feet while square to the basket, and one-hand dunks off two-feet while perpendicular to the rack. In the first two instances, a person's off-arm will most likely not be between a player and the rim. Each of the examples posted above by Phong are dunks where the body is square to the basket. As such, off-arms will not come into play.
Meanwhile, when a player elevates and places their body perpendicular (which is a rightful and legal move), the off-arm suddenly comes in motion and forthright as a part of the natural move, as opposed to being a conscious attempt to elbow someone in the face.
To be bluntly honest, the off-arm only tends to get noticed when a defender is significantly lower and out of position than the dunker to begin with. This is what places the forearm in position to come in contact with a head rather than body (as would be the case if defender were level with dunker). Some folks tend to take the angle of "He only dunked it because he elbowed a guy in the head" when my feeling is more "He only elbowed a guy in the head because the defender was so helpless and low in comparison to begin with." For example:
MJ on Tripucka: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMf3ZVM7yx4[/url]
James on Jones: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpg94pu1AMs&feature=fvst[/url]
Baron Davis: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZI8bweTeBA[/url]
To be completely up front and fair, I find this to be a natural and legal motion. To punish anything but those who go extremely out of their way to elbow someone on a clear out would be similar to punishing someone for lifting their knee in the air on a layup attempt and hitting an opponent (a la Tom Chambers). It's a natural motion to a specific type of takeoff.
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
phong with the double dose of ether
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Re: Most of Griffin's wind-up Dunks are Offensive Fouls
I love all of these nit-picking threads, really enjoying them. Pretty soon we'll have a thread of people pissed at the way Blake wipes his ass. :oldlol:
[img]http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2010/12/Blake-Griffin-dunk-1209-306x443.jpg[/img]
Man, why push off Blake!
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A flopper and now a fouler. Dang!
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[QUOTE=clayton]A flopper and now a fouler. Dang![/QUOTE]
Yup! Definitely reason to become the most hated on player in the NBA. :mad: